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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

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    ....i got a letter in the mail yesterday notifying me of a cybersecurity incident involving a number of e-commerce websites operated by Warner Music Group.
    Quote...." On August 5, 2020, we learned that an unauthorized third party had compromised a number of US-based e-commerce websites WMG operates but that are hosted and supported by an external service provider. This allowed the unauthorized third-party to potentially acquire a copy of the personal information you entered into one or more of the affected website(s) between April 25, 2020 and August 5, 2020.
    While we cannot definitely confirm that your personal information was affected, it is possible that it might have been as your transaction(s) occurred during the period of compromise. If it was, this might have exposed you to a risk of fraudulent transactions being carried out using your details."
    Does say later that payments made through PayPal were not affected.
    I use PayPal.
    Anyone else get this letter??

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    To many Double IPAs

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    I've only seen the Rolling Stones play live one time, it was 1994 at the Voodoo Lounge tour. I really enjoyed the show. They opened the show with Not Fade Away. Apparently, they had a place there for famous people called the Voodoo Lounge, and I read that Garcia and Weir were both in there during the show. Anyways, I thought the Stones sounded great.

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    I love the Rolling Stones. I had my old man's eight tracks in the early seventies... I remember when Some Girls came out and we would continually be snatching the house copy of it back and forth from each other. I was 10.

    Seen them live several times, most recently last summer at Mile High Stadium. I have never felt that the Stones were a great live band. They're all over the goddamn place... they never sound much like their records. Which is neither here nor there, depending on what you're looking for, but they went from the raw (Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!) to the aforementioned late 70's / early 80's affairs with sped up tempos, to the glossed over machine they became on Steel Wheels to date.

    Point being, I didn't buy the Brussels Affair when it came out as I already have so many live Stones albums and rarely play them - except for Twenty Flight Rock and Going To A Go-Go off Still Life.

    I bit on the iTunes version of this. The audio is cleaned up nicely, there are a number of unearthed gems and it is a great Mick Taylor live show. I've been playing it for two days now. I think it was like twenty bucks and change. For anyone on the fence, I say, go for it.

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    Keith - that Waiting For A Friend dates from 1973. Yes, that should have been included with the extras for sure.

    Probably because I kept on seeing them - the last time was 2007, I think, I do like some of their live recordings from the 1990s up to about 2007. One thing I would highly recommend...to anyone reading this with soul...is the live versions of Gimme Shelter featuring Lisa Fischer. She truly soars through the heavens on this song. I last heard it on the blu ray Bridges to Beunos Ares, bought last week, ( which also features Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger duetting on Like A Rolling Stone - shambolic!), and it is truly amazing. Another great version is on the Totally Stripped box set- from Amsterdam 1995. The sound is incredible on this-Keith Richards sounds as though he is in the room with you - which might or might not be a good thing. One of the remarkable things about the Bridges to Beunos Ares blu ray is the massive crowd, which goes absolutely bananas from the first song.

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    What I wouldn't give to have seen them with Mick Taylor! Yes they were outstanding onstage in those days, and to be honest, I never would have known it if I hadn't stumbled on the "Ladies and Gentlemen the Rolling Stones" movie concert a year or two before they released Brussels Affair.

    I was watching VH-1 or AXS (one of those music TV stations), and wham, he'll right in the middle of the opener, Brown Sugar. The thing they caught me first was that Mick Jagger was actually singing, not huffing and puffing out the lyrics. Up until that time I had only heard live albums from the Ron Wood era: Love You Live, Still Life, and Flashpoint, all of which pretty much featured a band whizzing through songs, sloppy as can be. I assumed Mick Jagger was simply just a studio singer, and pretty much the same of Keith as a guitar player. I enjoyed the Hits From The Ron Wood years, but certainly not the live content.

    I had been a fan of the Brian Jones and especially the Mick Taylor years for quite some time without ever hearing the band play live from '71 - '73. Then along came the movie concert from '72 on TV, and whoa - Mick was singing! Actually singing. Keith was at his legendary best, which I had also taken as myth, and Mick Taylor was everything and more on stage (he quietly sat back and played his ass off loudly, and with all the virtuoso we hear from him in the studio). Keith (by his own admission) once famously spent a couple of hours in the studio improvising a bridge or solo, or something, and was really just at his wits end trying to land the right notes. Taylor wasn't there, but he eventually showed up, listened for a couple of minutes, picked up his guitar and played exactly what Keith was struggling for. This was close to the end of Mick's tenure with the band; Keith turned to him and only half-jokingly said, "that's why I hate you man." Mick was light years ahead of the rest of the band musically.

    The Goats Head box would be worth it for any casual to serious Stones fan who doesn't already own The Brussels Affair. My commentary on that show was strictly in comparison to the '72 Ladies and Gentlemen release. If I didn't already have Brussels, I would snatch up the box on release day. It would have been nice for them to have included the embryonic Waiting on a Friend. I was also hoping for the rumored extended version of Dancing with Mr D.

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    What I wouldn't give to have seen them with Mick Taylor! Yes they were outstanding onstage in those days, and to be honest, I never would have known it if I hadn't stumbled on the "Ladies and Gentlemen the Rolling Stones" movie concert a year or two before they released Brussels Affair.

    I was watching VH-1 or AXS (one of those music TV stations), and wham, he'll right in the middle of the opener, Brown Sugar. The thing they caught me first was that Mick Jagger was actually singing, not huffing and puffing out the lyrics. Up until that time I had only heard live albums from the Ron Wood era: Love You Live, Still Life, and Flashpoint, all of which pretty much featured a band whizzing through songs, sloppy as can be. I assumed Mick Jagger was simply just a studio singer, and pretty much the same of Keith as a guitar player. I enjoyed the Hits From The Ron Wood years, but certainly not the live content.

    I had been a fan of the Brian Jones and especially the Mick Taylor years for quite some time without ever hearing the band play live from '71 - '73. Then along came the movie concert from '72 on TV, and whoa - Mick was singing! Actually singing. Keith was at his legendary best, which I had also taken as myth, and Mick Taylor was everything and more on stage (he quietly sat back and played his ass off loudly, and with all the virtuoso we hear from him in the studio). Keith (by his own admission) once famously spent a couple of hours in the studio improvising a bridge or solo, or something, and was really just at his wits end trying to land the right notes. Taylor wasn't there, but he eventually showed up, listened for a couple of minutes, picked up his guitar and played exactly what Keith was struggling for. This was close to the end of Mick's tenure with the band; Keith turned to him and only half-jokingly said, "that's why I hate you man." Mick was light years ahead of the rest of the band musically.

    The Goats Head box would be worth it for any casual to serious Stones fan who doesn't already own The Brussels Affair. My commentary on that show was strictly in comparison to the '72 Ladies and Gentlemen release. If I didn't already have Brussels, I would snatch up the box on release day. It would have been nice for them to have included the embryonic Waiting on a Friend. I was also hoping for the rumored extended version of Dancing with Mr D.

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    Billly the Kid - excellent cut by Little Walter. I have never heard anyone who made a harmonica sound so expressive-wonderful tone. Having said that, apart from Charlie Musslewhite ( and even there, I am not familiar with his music) I have never even heard of the other harp players you refer to. Some checking out to do, I think.

    Keith - I enjoyed reading your thoughts on Goats Head Soup. I was 16 when that came out, and as I had a ticket to see them the month it came out-September 1973 - I thought I'd buy it to get some idea of what they sounded like. It was the first Stones album I got - I just had a vague memory of their singles at this point. In comparison with contemporaneous offerings by David Bowie, Black Sabbath Hawkwind etc it sounded quite middle of the road. The only track that really rocked was Starfucker. I can remember the press making much of the fact that Mick Jagger was now 30, and whether he was now too pooped to pop ( seemingly unaware that many of the new glam breed were about the same age).
    But live...they were amazing !-a fantastic night. Suddenly, Goats Head Soup shot up in my estimation and I began buying all their other albums. Today, I rank it with the 4 others from Beggars Banquet onwards-although most people rate it less highly than the 4 that came before it.

    This new edition looks like the rip off of the year. As you say, Brussels Affair has already been released as a download. The price of it is ridiculous, too. It all meant so much to me at the time though, that I am still sort of tempted.

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    . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xj7gwFOvcM. Send this one out to Dave Rock , over in England. I also dedicate this to Charlie Musselwhite, Gary Smith, Mark Ford and Rick Estrin, the greatest blues harmonica players alive.

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    Thanks for posting this article. Every six months or so I check to see if there are any plans for the type of reissue of this album that Sticky Fingers and Exile received. Those two records had fantastic unreleaseded live tracks and studio outtakes.

    What a disappointment to hear they're simply re-releasing The Brussels Affair as the companion piece. I already own the digital copy that was on the Rolling Stones website 8 years ago. It would be like reissuing American Beauty with the Download Series show from October '71. No sense in re-spending money on that - it's already been engineered and mastered professionally. Strike 1.

    The author of the article is correct in saying that the two standout tracks from The Brussels affair are You Can't Always Get What You Want and Midnight Rambler. Probably the two best live versions of those songs. Beyond that, the album is a starfucker less than Ladies and Gentlemen The Rolling Stones (this was the movie from the Exile on Main St tour that was in movie theaters shortly after the Exile tour, and then shelved for 30 years; eventually it was released on Blu-ray and then later on CD). Brussels is a great live show, don't misunderstand me, but Ladies and Gentlemen is from a year earlier, has almost the exact same setlist, and is played a little bit tighter and sung a little bit better). The primary difference is more Goats Head songs that don't measure up to the songs they replace from the Exile concert (which itself is the best of four shows). Beyond Doo x5 (Heartbreaker) and Dancing with Mr. D, the live Goats Head tracks don't really do much for me. Did I mention they already released this almost 10 years ago? Strike 2.

    The author of the article stated he could "imagine how much of a bummer Goats Head Soup must have felt in the moment. But for those of us who came along later, and without the generational baggage, Goats Head Soup has an incredible, melancholic beauty".
    I was a year-and-a-half-old when this record came out, and I have to disagree with him on this point. It has three great songs on it and a whole lot of missed opportunities that separate it from the previous four albums. It was so close to greatness too (Can You Hear The Music, Hide Your Love, and 100 Years Ago almost caught it) - bloody shame. By and large it does not rock, it does not transition mood easily or frequently enough, and as the author also pointed out, there are too many guest musicians (it feels very un-Stonesy). If it rocked more they could have gotten away with it; but it is primarily a morose downer, as the author implied. If I wanted melancholy I would listen to The Cure. Strike 3.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by MrHeartbreak on Tue, 09/08/2020 - 19:09

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Oh, no! Here comes that screamin' sound again.... Bwahahahahaha!

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I have some plumbing supplies for sale. Cheap. 508-555-2468.

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Just fooling, man.
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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 03:39

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Thanks for the heads up, Frank. I am in town town today, and might nip in Smiths to get a copy.

Snafu - yes, the versions of Gimme Shelter circa 1995 were much better than the ones played live with Mick Taylor. Another good thing about latter day Stones live was that they varied the set lists to include songs from their back catalogue that they never played live at the time they recorded them. I can remember hearing live versions of 2000 Light years From Home, Factory Girl, Salt of the Earth, You Got The Silver, Sway and Can't You Hear Me Knocking among others. And many versions of Brown Sugar, it has to be said. I don't play their studio albums after Black and Blue much, but they all have the odd stand out track, to my ears.

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Submitted by Exile On Main St. on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 03:56

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I'll grab it without hesitation, just to have. I believe the outtakes will be worth it. Keithfan, the track list does show Dancing with Mr D. Maybe this is the lost version you are looking for.

I also have The Brussels Affair. I am going to guess they don't have better audio anywhere else from different shows. Otherwise why would they just recycle a concert that's been available for years. It is sure to hurt sales. I would guess either someone took a bad gamble thinking Brussels isn't as widely known in Stones circles, maybe download sales weren't that good, but remember it was also available as a bootleg before it was officially available to download. And through piracy I'm sure it spread. Everyone I know who is into the Stones has it already. So either that bad bet got taken or there really are not good tapes elsewhere.

As to where it ranks, I think the only 5 out of 5 star songs are Dancing and Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo. Angie is the poor man's Wild Horses. It's great for a ballad but it does not have staying power. It gets old after a few listens. If ever a song could have used a great Mick Taylor solo, this was it. At a show, for a ballad, I would much rather hear Winter, Worried About You, Memory Motel, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday, or Let's Spend the Night Together. Speaking of Winter, I think they came close to the majesty of Moonlight Mile, which I believe they were going for but just missed. Great song. 4.0 stars. Could have used a better ending section that featured some cool Mick picking and Richards coming in and trading solo fills with Taylor.

Bill is OK. He was not replaced well in my opinion. They should have hired someone to play and sound just like him. But while he's important, he's no Taylor. The example of Miss You is one of his best moments, but he's not always that prominent. His biggest strength was timing consistency, but in my opinion that is a must on any bass player's resume. It often does not work out that way in the music industry but it doesn't make him special for doing his job. MT had so much talent I would call him a technician and virtuoso. While an important part of the band, Wyman doesn't have those mad skills. The band hired him because he had equipment and transportation for them (in other words there was no real audition), and they found him replaceable often enough by Keith or MT (he only plays on three songs on Goats Head Soup and less than half the songs on Exile). And Keith is the riff master and soul of the music, but he's miles from MT. And MT is miles from Keith as a writer. I think he was coming along, but was not included often enough. And when he was he was not credited.

Smokestack Lightning - go no further than DaP 22. Everybody is locked and loaded like the last stand at the Alamo. Just listen to Jerry make those blues guitar licks sing. Pigpen howling and growling. Keith is the big X factor compared to previous versions. The missing link. He comes and goes with precision feel (unlike others who never know when to stop playing). Who did bite your little sister? He don't care if she's just 17 years of age. Schoolgirl was dropped way too soon. Is it not Pigpen who introduces the band?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 06:41

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Looks like AB 50th is starting to dribble out, any last guesses on what the show will be. I hopping for 9/20/70. it probably won't be, but one can hope.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 07:26

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Looks like 2/18/71. Happy Birthday AB..

They could not skip American Beauty's 50th Birthday. 2/18 makes sense. One of the great ones.. That Dark Star suite with the Beautiful Jam is special and recorded on glorious multi-track.. wowow stuff.

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Submitted by simonrob on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 07:40

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Nice. Very, very nice. Another Port Chester show. Perfect.

Now, about that second box set of the year...

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 07:58

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....they are sneaking these Port Chester shows through, eh?
That's two in a row...makes sense to add 2/18 here given one of the other nights was included with Workingman's Dead 50th.

As Jimmy said, that Dark Star has had the masses drooling ever since So Many Roads teased the 'Beautiful Jam' segment; but the entire suite here is just top-notch stuff.

Pleased,
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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:05

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2/18/71

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Submitted by frosted on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:21

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Oh my my. Yes!

Thanks again Dead.net, you're really on a roll here with this and the previous Workingman's set.

DaP 35 was unfortunately a one and done for me, but please keep these classics like the AB50 set coming.

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:22

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Yessiree, Bob! Also went for the jean jacket, which will sell out quickly.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:28

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...I'm a little down they didn't make any American Beauty themed medieval weaponry. It would have made a good companion to the Working Mans Dead hatchet.

No one messes with me and my WMD hand axe, that blade is bad ass.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:30

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More useful than the WMD hatchet.

Can’t wait to hear 2-18 in its remastered glory. Was enjoying 2-21 last night.

Got my WMG data hack letter yesterday.....
Boo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:36

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This puts a nail in the second box set coffin.

But let's not get greedy.. the 76 box in my humble opinion exceeded expectations, whether 76 is your bag or not.. it's a great box set representing an interesting period in GD history and the sound quality is exceptional. A great box set. Then the two 50th celebrations with two glorious multi-track remasters, a great year of Dave's Picks and a Buffalo on Vinyl. Plus.. I feel like I forgot something, so add on whatever it was I forgot which apparently includes control over my credit card.. and we had a pretty good year.

Hoping the shipping fiascos smooth out and we all make it through to the other side, safe and healthy in 2021.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:38

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....plus, you can put your weeeeeeed in it.

Pretty sure that's what you were referencing without saying it, conekid. Amirite?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 08:58

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We still have one chance for a 1969 release, with Dave's 36, here's hoping for 10/31/69. The 1976 box set is absolutely fantastic, 1976 is one of my favorite Dead years. Two great 50th anniversary releases, I would have preferred two 1970 shows, but these two 1971 shows are both killer. I have a bunch of triple IPA s comming in the mail today, so except for all the smoke from the fires , life's great.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 09:15

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Dave delivers a goal for the win! A double-drummer with Pig era show from early '71, which somehow is exactly what we "ordered". Very happy with this selection. Somehow, it doesn't matter that it's not a show more or less directly related to AB's release/setlist.

A couple thoughts:

Looking forward to the AB disc as well as this well-regarded show/Betty Board.

DaP 36 is now wide open, but the stars begin to align for a fall '72 show. (2020 = 2x 1971, 1984, 1974, 1977)

What's Become of the ..... possible fall box? Or was that us projecting on Dave's rap on "clearing the deck" by releasing WD a bit "early"?

Me thinks that if there are a few '70 tapes lingering in the vault (we know there are, see below), that they may be partial and worthy of being curated together in some future collection. At this stage, the notion that a bunch of missing reels from 1970 will show up seems remote.

So, one possibility suggests itself to my addled mind (tequila in the coffee):

I recall that one of the Porchester '71 shows had been mixed and played live at the Capitol perhaps two years ago. So 2-18-71 may well have been mixed/mastered some time ago. The real work this year might have been Norman repairing and preparing a number of 1970 live tracks to finish the 50th anniversary of the band's best year in the studio (imagine the 18 amazing studio tracks recorded that year, lyrics mostly written by Hunter, that defined the band).

Just getting a bit wild here... because the 2001 re-releases of WD and AB contain bonus tracks from
1-10-70
1-17-70
1-24-70 (DaP 19)
4-15-70
6-6-70
10-4-70
12-23-70
12-26-70
Add the 2001 re-release bonus tracks on Bear's Choice:
2-5-70
2-8-70
And of course, 2-13 and 2-14-70.

That's about ten shows with random tracks already released.

So what if Dave & Co. decided to clear out the vault of worthy tracks from these dates as a three-to-four disc send-off to the year?

I should be amazed (and possibly ashamed) that in response to a great AB 50th announcement, I can still come up with more dreaming-of-greatness.... BUT not much capacity here for shame in the dreaming department.

That is all!

Edit: But wait, there's more! I completely forgot that the "early" announcement was the freakin' '76 box, which totally changed my attitude towards tapes from '76. JimInMD is right: be grateful, we made a huge haul in official releases this year: (4) DaPs, (5) '76 shows, (2) '71s. That's (9) complete shows with one to go.

What the hell is wrong with me??

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 09:15

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Bummed, was really hoping for the official AB 50th crossbow! Might help with our backyard vermin problem.
First thing I saw the tin I thought joint case!
Yasss my mind is permently in the gutter....but fortunately theirs a lot of fun people down here!

EDIT: as far as another “???” this year, remember there’s still the holiday shopping season ahead. Didn’t they used to always break out new product just in time for the shopping season?

Didn't see this one coming.
Thinking of how that Dark Star from 2/14/70 cropped up on the Long Strange Trip compilation a few years ago makes me wonder if they have the whole run stashed away somewhere. That would make a handy box-although interjections from the Allmans and Fleetwood Mac might scupper things. That and the fact that much of it has already come out.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 13:33

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I told you my brother and sisters that the release would include another 1971 concert for bonus material for the 50th American Beauty release! Get ready to shake your bones my friends! Have a grateful day everyone! 🙏❤️💀🌹🤠-pigpen!

It’s real, and it’s spectacular.

I have no actual proof, but when Dave said that June 76 had to come out in the beginning of the year to make room for something in the Fall I don’t think that he was referring to WMD and AB.

But, whatever they had planned could be delayed now due to Covid shutdown. So, maybe an announcement in a few weeks with delivery in a few months.

I would prefer that they drop the early announcements and pre-order, and just announce it the day that it becomes available for shipping.
Reduce the waiting and anticipation, and get the music to the Heads.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 17:07

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I do agree that a full February 1970 Fillmore East box would be cool. I love DP 4 , and with Bears Choice we get a lot of the shows. Even if 2/11 would be hard to secure because of other artists involvement, a complete 2/13 and 2/14 would do it for me.

Along those same lines, a complete April 1971 Fillmore East would also be cool. Again the Allmans and Beach Boys could make releasing all 5 shows a little tricky. I would settle for a complete 4/28 and 4/29 show.

Finally the complete October 1974 Winterland shows would be the final type of box set to remedy these great runs that have not been released in their entirety.

I am fine if this doesn't happen, as I more up for something that has not yet been released in any capacity. Still if considering the Feb. 70 shows from the Fillmore East it really seems like all of these runs should get the full release treatment.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/09/2020 - 17:39

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Caddyshack has some good ideas.

Perhaps I am in the minority.. but it looks to me like the WMD and AB offerings fulfill the fall agenda. Of course I could be wrong.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 02:58

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...that's been partially released already is the Europe 1974 shows. One jam in particular - that leading into, constituting and moving out of Eyes of the World on 9/11 is among my favourite sequences of Dead music. I only came across this comparatively recently, but it is well worth listening to - and officially releasing.

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Submitted by Sydney Prentice on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 04:07

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Yes, Daverock that would be great to have a Box of Europe with the Ally Pally shows as wished for once before on this board.
It does make sense that there will be a box release happening later this year, from Dave's statement earlier this year regarding the early release of the '76 box. I'm holding off from making any other music purchases in anticipation, as much as I would like the Hawkwind RSD releases and the RS Goats Head Soup Boxset.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 06:43

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9 month old hp froze up on me, something to do with bios, now regulated to wife's laptop, which is ok, but i don't like using it, it's not mine :)
Agree again Daverock, Europe 74 would be a good box, also Europe 81 and Europe 90, all would be great boxes, I know, I'm a greedy little deadhead, but hey, we all want the goods, right?

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Submitted by frankparry on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 07:39

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Unkle Sam - my first shows were in 1981 at the Rainbow Theatre in London. Although I had a blast seeing them for the first time hearing tapes of the London shows make me think they were not particularly top rate box ready material. Although Barcelona was meant to be good and maybe the Amsterdam surprise gigs. One of the Paris shows I went to in 1990 has been released in the 30 trips box and excellent it was too. Again, I enjoyed the London shows but Garcia was clearly suffering a bad cold and it felt like the end of a slog. I’ve heard the Berlin show which was pretty darn good and worthy of a DaP release probably. It was notable for a monster Shakedown Street in honour of the Berlin Wall coming down just a year earlier.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 07:49

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Somewhere in the scroll/swipe screen of the main dead.net thingie, you'll find one of your bewhiskered buddies flirting with a barfly.

Also, you'll find a bug-eyed, non-bearded Uncle Sam gettin' some.

Can you find these visual gems?

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 09:51

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Its not so easy being objective for shows I attended. I saw two in 1981, in March and October, and I also thought they were great - and would be quite chuffed if they were released. But I am not so sure how much interest they would hold for non attenders. My memory of the 1990 shows is much clearer-the first and the second shows seemed the tightest, although the Paris show in 30 Trips seems better than all three. I don't think I would buy a box from 1981 or 1990 apart from these European ones.
1974 is totally different -I didn't see any of them, but don't feel as though I need to have done to pick up the magic.

Sydney - that Hawkwind at the BBC just out on vinyl for RSD sounds superb. Another great one from them I got recently is the vinyl " Victim of Sonic Attack". Its excerpts from the Brixton 30/12/72 show which was one of the shows recorded for "Space Ritual" . It was available as "Space Ritual 2" in days gone by. But this vinyl edition is the best I have heard it.

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Submitted by mbarilla on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 10:38

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Big Boss Man 12.5.71 Brown Eyed Women

30 song set and tons of back to back action

It Hurts Me Too * Sugaree

https://archive.org/details/gd1971-12-05.131532.miller.sbd.flac16/gd71-…

Dave L.SD hook up a 1981 box set from Europe 1981

firing up some Grateful Dead 1971 , 1976 , 1984 + JGB Fall Tour 1993 the last few days.

That June 1976 box set had some top notch jams

Playing in the Band, Let it Grow, Help on the Way Slipknot Franklins Tower, Dancing in the Streets, Eyes of the World, St. Stephen, Crazy Fingers, Cosmic Charlie.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 12:15

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I believe that the Dead wanted to pose on the back of American Beauty holding guns originally, but the idea was nixed. I think that the lettering was supposed to look like it read American Reality, I believe I heard that story from Stanley Mouse, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 14:19

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Jim: Yes! You have won a bearded skeleton frying pan, complete with genuine whiskers to give your scrambled eggs that extra crunch and texture!

BTK: I am glad they didn't use images of the GD with guns.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 16:10

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that is true. wild art indeed. even on a web page on the 50th AB somewhere has words American Reality. I will post if i find again.

If you believe the news, I dont, or lets say grain of salt, it appears that the reality has gone bad. turn off your tv and turn on your lovelight. get em pig!

edit: reality is on 3 cd page towards end of 3 paragraph...but i saw it somewhere else yesterday, where it said reality first then beauty. maybe i was just too far above to see clearly.

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Submitted by nitecat on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 17:30

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May have to evacuate due to Oregon fires. What CD's to take? The most irreplaceable? The hottest performances? The smallest and lightest of these two catagories? For example the two Winterland 73 and 77 boxes are small and pretty pricey on the market...the Europe box is so big. Suggestions?

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 17:40

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hope it doesnt come to that. be safe...Icecream, may be a great idea.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 18:33

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Fillmore West, Europe72, and Winterland 1973 are must saves. Be safe and hopefully it will not come to that.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 20:03

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Good luck and stay safe.

Proudfoot.. I second that.

I have on good authority that the cone kid just finished digging a hole in his back yard, placed all his CDs in several of those large plastic storage containers that seal tight.. taped them securely shut with black gorilla tape for extra protection and is currently using a backhoe to cover them with several dozen tons of rainbow colored, glow in the dark ice cream. Take that 2020 forest fires from hell!!

Sorry to make light.. not meant to offend or understate the seriousness of what the left third of the country is going through right now.. unprecedented and serious shit.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 09/10/2020 - 21:28

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZxZDP_3Es. I saw Ray Charles play 3 times, he put on a killer show each time. Daverock, I think that American blues performers in the 1960s, guys like Muddy Waters Howlin Wolf and others were appreciated way more over in England then they were in the United States. They were treated like royalty over there not so much over here.

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