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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 18, 2023 - 10:34am

#861

Oroborous

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More shows

That’s all I ment.
Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
Like most things, no easy answers.
It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
A well, it’s early still…
September 18, 2023 - 9:17am

#862

DeadVikes

Joined:
October 26, 2016

Releases

Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.
September 18, 2023 - 8:46am

#863

1stshow70878

Joined:
September 11, 2014

Box discussion

I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
Cheers
Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.
September 18, 2023 - 7:44am

#864

Oroborous

Joined:
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Y’all are missing the point…

I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
Their not going to do this forever!!!
For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
My plan,
25 for primal 67-70
15 for 71
20 for 72
20 for 73 (at least!
? 74 might just be mostly scraps
20? for 76? Maybe
77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
20 for 78
20 for 79 and 80
20 for 81 & 82
20 for 83 & 84
20 for 85 & 86
20 for 87 & 88
20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
20 for 91 & 92
20 for 93-95
These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
You could still make them “limited”…
Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
Tic toc…
September 18, 2023 - 2:44am

#865

daverock

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September 1, 2014

Winterland 74 box

Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !
September 17, 2023 - 2:21pm

#866

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
With all the video included.

I’ll take mini-Boxes.
3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
Sounds like a grate plan to me.
September 17, 2023 - 12:42pm

#867

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Winterland

Agree..

Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

Wars have been fought for less.

Oh, the horror.
September 16, 2023 - 3:46pm

#868

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Winterland Box(es)

Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978
September 16, 2023 - 9:35am

#869

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Stuck in the mud…

Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
ONWARD!

NO MORE MINI BOXES!
Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).
September 15, 2023 - 1:59am

#870

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Mini boxes

Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

1974 Chop Shop

I am at an impasse with some of the partially released 74 shows.. I think I need to reconstruct the full shows using pieces of the official releases and supplement any missing parts from the best available source.

What were they thinking???

Edit: David Lemieux as a kid.. "Look at all these reels.. I bet we can releases dozens and dozens of songs...."

Chop job redemption

Plangentize and Normanize those ‘74 reels, and Box ‘em up, PNW style.

9/10/74 Alexandra Palace finished

Already on the end of set one of 9/11/74, Playing just started...23 minutes to end the first set. Then a 41minute Phil & Ned where a big chunk is with the band before going into a great Eyes of the World into Wharf Rat... (44 minutes of Eyes and Wharf Rat) .. 108 minutes of jazzy, jammed pure 74 bliss. bob t

9/11/74

That long jammy section with Ned is niiiice. I wasn't even aware of it before. Good call BobT and Daverock.

Missing These Picks..

and who could ask for more than another 1974.

I am not listening to the composites of these again though.. I want to rebuild the complete shows.

1974

some of my favorite releases back in the day were the 1974 multi-show highlight releases, and of course same goes for DiP 4 Fillmore East. Still find them solid and very enjoyable. however - i definitely would like to see full show releases of those shows barring any significant reel issues.

Bluecrow Hat Trick - continuous deep listen to all three discs in a single release. much as I can ask for nowadays.

prayers to fire affected brothers and sisters out in California, Oregon, & Washington - heartbreaking

American Reality

Loading up the phone with the Dead, putting all of 1972 on now.

Do some rain dances & send some good vibes towards the west coast.

We need all the help we can get.

Be Well All

Any one up for some William and Mary.... 9/11/73

Dark Star>Morning Dew included!!! I finished the last Alexandra Palace show (9/11/74), favorite of the 3 shows. I know this September 73 tour isn't everyone's favorite because of the horns, but I like them... Have a great weekend. Bob t

Mickey Hart 77th birthday

Always enjoyed his work, in and out of the Grateful Dead, all around, the faster we go the rounder we get. Rolling Thunder, Diga Rhythm Band, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Dead and Company. Prolific musician and workingman.
Excited about upgraded Betty Cantor recording of 2/18/71. Also when American Beauty was released my old friend Jimi tripped out on the lettering on the cover. Was the first person I remember to see “American Reality”. More than we ever dreamed it would become , reality.

9/11/73

Never heard this one. I will check it out Bob t. Thanks.

By The Way

Where in the hell is Bolo? It has been a long time.

And Otis?

GOGD, did you find a complete listing of the 375 reels from ABCD?

9/11/73

To my ears, perhaps the best of the fall '73 mini tour with horns. Definitely worth a listen. Might not be the most popular release if it were to ever see the light of day, but well worth the listen. I am right there with BobT, an enjoyable and noteworthy show from an enjoyable and noteworthy tour.

I'm paying the 3 dollars and coming back for the next night!!

To quote Phil and the end of Sugar Magnolia, from the 9/11/73 show..Morning everyone, I'm going to listen to 9/12/73 William and Mary... Bob t

3 Dollars

Grap me a ticket too Bob.. I'll pick you up in a couple hours.

I’ll throw one out

9-12-91
Anniversary yesterday

9/12/91

PITB > Terrapin > PITB sandwich
I'm in!

Funny, I was just listening to So Many Roads comp disc 1 as I hadn't heard it in forever and was putting all GD releases on my phone in case we had to split.

BTW anybody got the 9/26/90 GD rehearsals that D Gans put on the Best of the GD Hour sampler CD?
Jam Out of Terrapin > PITB
I'd like to hear that there stuff, got the Hornsby stuff from 9/28 but never heard the above.

DV: No ABCD list as far as I can tell, but there's a nice list of Betty Boards in one of the Taper's Compendiums, I'll have to look for it when I have a minute.

Alright, Be Well All.
And that TLMD outtake on So Many Roads is worth visiting the next time you get a minute.
Sublime stuff.

I'm In

Giving them a try.. thanks cone kid.

9/12/91 I'm in

just finishing up concert where Phil says "this is the quiet part folks".... bob t

I’m a big fan of Fall ‘91

In fact, I like the whole Hornsby era.

But a Fall ‘91 Box would be cool.
Oakland?
MSG?
Boston?

Which to choose?
May have to draw straws.

Keeping with the 90’s theme

Now spinning a Vguy show, 5-31-92 Sam Boyd

9/12/91

I will check it out. A little MSG. Thanks Conekid. Yes, 91 certainly shines. A lot of great shows.

Oh and it is a Pearson Healy recording, even better.

Thanks for looking into that GOGD. Hope everything goes okay for you out there.

Stay well folks.

91

Agree, most of 91 decently recorded for the most part. Oft maligned, but not deservedly so. Bruce brought a lot of energy and in some ways brought Garcia back to life.

Keeping the 90’s alive

Since the CD-R case in my living room containing 90’s shows I burned more than 10 years ago is open, I tossed in 3-30-94.
The ScarletFirePlayingDarkStar is awesome and worthy of official release.

DHB Friendly Two Day Bickershaw?

Something different and something good. Since it's such a long show, two discs a day should suffice.

Thoughts?

Jim 5/7/72

Jim, I would be in on that but I don't have this show.

Still working my way through 9/12/91. Great show, great recording.

I'm gonna throw in a wild card....

....Mickey Harts Mystery Box.

5/7/72

I don't know what you are doing out there but is smells rotten! Great show Jim, good call. Thanks Man!

Happy Anniversary 9/16/72 Boston Music Hall

How I wish more than 8 songs existed on SB..... At least there is a Playin, Morning Dew, Dark>Star into Brokedown Palace, NFA>GDTRFB>NFA... bob t

Today's Pick

Decided to go with 3/24/73, Dave's Picks #32 for today. Of course it is 73.

Are we something like a month away from #36? My god, time is moving fast this year and very slow.

9/16/72

I might have to hit this one tonight.. as always, thanks Bob.

Partial or not.. looks hot.

9/16/72

Nice pick. I'm not too familiar with this show. Well, it seems a couple folks on the archive claim this Dark Star is one of the greatest of all time. You never really know, do you?! I'm listening to a matrix now. The live music shutdown has given me a new appreciation for audience tapes.

GSTEP....

...."Greatest Dark Star Ever Played."
I have no idea. Most are above average. So there you go.

9/16/72

Big Fan of this show!

IMO top 5 PITB as well as Dark Star.
Well worth the Trip.

This was my goto Bike Ride show for awhile, worked every time!
It's a traveler, and it'll take you places.

Def one of my favorite 1972 shows.

GOGD

Good to hear from you GOGD.

Were losing a bit of steam here.

There Ain't No Place I'd Rather Be

Won't You Carry Meeeeeeee!

Couldn't resist.

Thanks DV, been glancing in, but there's been just a few distractions. (insert eyeroll, face palm, the scream etc)

Meant to praise 9/16/72 yesterday, (nice work Bob T!)
Definitely check out the partial SBD portion, it's one of my personal favorites for sure.

If anybody has the FLAC files of the SBD easily accessible and wants me to patch that transition between Dark Star & Brokedown send em over, I've wanted to do that for awhile, but only have the Mp3 files.

Alright, be well all, and keep it goin', this is a fun little place to visit :)

Dave's 32

Finished my third or fourth listen of this gem. I love how some releases seem to get better with each listen and this one fits that bill. The whole show rocks, so many highlights. As others have mentioned Disc 3 is very special. The He's Gone-Truckin-Jam-Dark Star into the final three songs are just awesome.

Yes, #32,#33 and #34 are pretty sweet. Looking forward to what Dave has in store for #36. Okay, my money is going with 72 or April 78.

Stay well all.

36

Have to think it will be either 69, 72 or perhaps spring '78.

...what's on for today?

Dave's Picks

DV - Yeah, as far as GD releases, we're in the golden age!

FWIW I still think we'll see a Pigpen Era release for DaP V36 circa '68-'70. Most likely '69.

Alright, I know the following for certain:
I'm jonesing to find out if I'm right or wrong :)

Announced in October right? Any theories on the date of the announcement ;)

10/17/82 possibly?

Hi Ya Jim!

Anybody wanna check out the new eBay Audience source of 10/17/82 that just got posted on archive?
https://archive.org/details/gd1982-10-17.150574.eBay.miller.flac2496

I wanna check it out at some point.

Just an idea since you were asking for a pick.

I was going to recommend Vegas 5.30.92 for today....

....but 10.17.82 works. It's Santa Fe!!. Strange show that was just a one off apparently. No tour to support it. Eleven song first set! Let's goooooo!!

82 or 92

VGUY - Either is cool w me!

I don't think I listened to the Pearson Upgrade of 5/30/92 either.

Too Much Dead Bros!!!

EDIT: 10/17/82 it is, look at that set list bro!
Post Space> Throwin'> GDTRFB> Wheel> Other One> Wharf Rat> Good Lovin'. Who does that?
The GD in '82 that's who!
We can do 5/30/92 tomorrow.

So Far...

Here’s what’s been released so far...

Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
(First #) = Year:
(2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
(3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
(4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

80: 1 / 27 / #8
69: 2 / 25 / #10
81: 1 / 15 / #20
78: 3 / 12 / #23
72: 3 / 11 / #24
71: 3 / 9 / #26
83: 1 / 8 / #27
76: 3 / 7 / #28
70: 2 / 5 / #30
79: 1 / 4 / #31
73: 4 / 3/ #32
77: 5 / 2/ #33
74: 5 / 1 / #34
84: 1 / - / #35

80 is past due, what about Gainesville? Course that’s not happen with the fourth pick...
69 is past due! Good bet except I don’t think they’ll go for fourth pick...
81, same as above..
So that leaves 72 and 78. I’m going with 78.
Of course there never seems to be enough 77...
Some day you’d think we’d get a 91, but not fourth pick...

GOGD Announcement dates

Last year #32 was announced on 22nd October and the 2020 subscription was announced on 30th October.
My guess would be 20th October for #36.

DaP V36 Announcement Dates

CG - Damn!
That's more than a month....

This pandemic is really warping time.
I didn't realize a pandemic could be so psychedelic, but I've definitely been tripping since March.

Good Stuff and nice sleuthing. I appreciate it, even if it spiked my jones.

Jeez, lotsa drug references ;)

OB - I'ma gonna grok on that there hypiothesissss thingy there for a minute. Nice work bro.

I still call Pigpen era!

Oroborous-1980

Yes, 1980 is of course extremely underrepresented, don't get me started on that. No idea what they are doing with 1980.

I think they will give us the heads up announcement the week before the seaside chat on October 20. Release date is October 30, which usually means I should have mine by November 15.

Dave's 36

10/31/69, if not now, when.

September 72 east coast tour

Never have done this before, but on 3rd show of tour today, 9/17/72 Baltimore.... (Dicks Picks something)... started with the Boston show back on the 14th on Monday... bob t

RE: September 72 East Coast Tour

You probably already thought of this, but it seems like 10/2/72 should get included too.

I wanna do that.
Best Part: Playing In The Band on every show!!!!

Sept '72 is some epic stuff.

Said it before, but I think '72 is my fave year.

Europe box announcement got me back into collecting the Dead after like 10 year hiatus.
After Europe box was released '72 was the first year that I collected all existing shows for.

Kinda envious there Bob T, gonna have to follow your lead one these here days.
Enjoy!

I'm listening to...
A tutorial.
Knowledge is good, but envy is not.

Re: Nov 15th

...of what year? :D

Fall '72. Interesting idea.. I've done E72 in sequence a couple times. The last time I did it.. I had to break out into a different era for a palate cleanse.

Did anyone commit to something for today?

Today's Listening Choices

Jim -

VGUY and I are checking out 10/17/82 - New Miller Audience (might not be as good as the other audience.. not sure what I think yet, anyhow it just popped up)
Also mentioned 5/30/92 (possibly tomorrow though)
Bob T - Going deep with September '72 tour journey.

November what year = Doh!