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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2351
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    Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

    No 18's here. Of course not needed.

    Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

    I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

    Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

    That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

    Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

    I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

    Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

    Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

    G

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    That’s what chain saws are for!

    Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
    What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
    But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
    Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

    PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.

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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

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    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

    G

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

    G

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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    Congrats Jim!!!

    Knew we were getting close. Still love the Raven show. I am a huge '82 fan.

    This was the same time as my first drop, April 1982, what a life changing event, as I know 4/19 was for you.

    First 2 drops were Orange Sunshine and Purple Haze. Not too bad for first 2. Man, there is a lot to write about with those 2.

    Thanks Jim for being such a solid rock of posting here, and again, Congrats.

    G

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    I can't say no to that. A pivotal moment in the life of Jim.

    The drive home (including the arduous task of finding the car) was perhaps scarier than that moment when they derailed into discord and mayhem shortly after drums. The driver, the older brother of the friend I went with, was totally straight and a taper. The two of us had never seen the dead before and we both indulged - two each. Making it through space intact was the first challenge.. then we had to live through it again on the drive home. I was given very strict instructions which I followed as if my life depended on it, "He cannot know." So we hop in the car, he takes out his newly recorded master and fast forwards to that very moment it all began.

    "Quoth the Raven Nevermore. ....It was a dark and stormy night.... Wasn't it?" and the laughing and the sounds of nitrous.

    Listening to this again for the first time in a while, that laugh at the beginning of space that sounds remarkably like the laugh repeated over and over again on a loop cycle during the excellent Space from Dave's Picks 40, Deer Creek 6/18/90. It's the same laugh whether recreated or brought back to life from this recording? Not sure.

    Looking back on this 40 years later, I have to think maybe Larry wasn't as straight as he was purported to be. How could he not have known we were holding on for dear life on that fateful drive home? Perhaps he fast forwarded to that space because he knew and approved? A test? Questions that will likely remain unanswered.

    If you haven't heard this check it out, there's a brand spanking new Miller on the archive that reeks of an upgrade. On a similar note, Lemieux has been playing stuff from this tour this year. I recall him referring to it as "a most excellent tour", perhaps foreshadowing things to come?

    To me, the sound is better than some of the 82 that's found it's way to CD.. When the sweet chords of the Wheel finally broke through the madness that came before it.. I realized things were going to be ok after all. And they were. But the half hour before that and the half hour drive home took some time to make sense out of. Thankfully the Wheel and Stella Blue were there to provide support and ground us after our travels.

    I'd like to think we both passed the test. ahh.. well, onward.

    Edit: Two additional comments.. the discord probably started with Feel Like a Stranger, also that Brokedown Palace was sweet. 81 and 82 have some really nice versions of these songs, Jerry's voice was in good shape during this period. a real highlight.

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    I can't honestly say I remember the Pigpen version - despite having the cd of 4/18/70. But that John Lee Hooker record is unforgettable. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds cut a thunderous record based on this theme, and with that title, in the mid 80's.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 13:40

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I like this tour. I agree with Jim that 9/11/73 is the strongest show of this tour !!! I also like the 9/15/73 show that you are listening to also.. Love Phil during Truckin when he says, "Howard Cosell said that" after long strange trip line....Just finished my American University 9/30/72 show.... Now putting on one other anniversary show, Mershon Auditorium from 9/30/76... Started listening to this part of that tour after Cobo 10/3/76 was released on 30 trips..... (that's another listen in a few days)... bob t

Listening to Phil's 50th birthday show today. Love this show. The Terrapin, Mock Turtle Jam is sweet.
Great Althea, Tom Thumbs Blues.
Revolution closer.

If you haven't listened to this one in a while, check it out. The official release from 1997 still stands the test of time.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 20:07

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Was it 1997? It was (is) a limited release and it's still for sale. I wonder what the production run was? Weren't they going to build a trippy GD theme park or something with the proceeds? What a long strange trip it's been.

Great show, great recording.. a taste of what would become decades later when they released the whole tour.

What's in store for tomorrow? Oro, anyone?

..and Strider/Gollum.. I am right there with you. I think I saw Hot Tuna doing a few acoustic songs the first time during intermission at the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour in '87, at Merriweather. Ziggy Marley opened. Then it took me some time to see them again, I forget when.. but I have been patiently chipping away at shows since that time and now they #2 with the GD being the band I have seen the most. Jorma is a living American legend. An unbelievable talent and I agree.. the real deal. I feel the same way about the NRPS, I would make it a point to see them at least once when they were on the same side of the continental divide as me, but with Buddy Cage gone and David Nelson getting up there in years I fear seeing who is left will be few and far between.

On the same stream of consciousness.. I avoided the GD cover band incarnations for years, until 2007. I have to admit it felt weird.. seeing Jerry clones up on stage but I have gotten over that. I enjoy it, including Dead & Company. Bygones.. I like GD music and just hearing someone perform those sacred songs puts me in a good place. I saw Phil's band doing a sweet interpretation of Peggy-O early on.. with some incredible, soft and classy fiddle and I think pedal steel(?). It brought back bittersweet memories. I am happy people are out there carrying the torch. I do agree with what has been written, it's not the same but I am happier being a part of it all than, well, what is it we are supposed to do besides..... Nevermind.. I will gracefully quit while I am behind.

Have a great week all.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 22:36

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Hey Jim, I also love NRPS but only saw them once live. I was going to see David Nelson for the first time at the Ventura Skull&Roses fest last April but of course it was cancelled. Billy K was also supposed to be there. Such a bummer.

This gives me a chance to tell my Marmaduke/Reno story. Forgive me, I've told it here before but I can't resist. I went to an NRPS show in Reno in the mid 80's. Only Marmaduke and two others showed up. Marmaduke explained that the rest of the band was in jail, having been busted for weed at the previous gig at Tahoe. He played a great "Friend of the Devil". So, there's Marmaduke singing "Friend of the Devil", a song he co-wrote, in Reno, with real sheriffs out on the trail. How cool is that? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But I digress.... what are we listening to tomorrow? Isn't the weekend coming up?!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 23:01

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John Dawson came into the music store my brother works in ( Gryphon Stringed Instruments in Palo Alto) and my brother picked up an acoustic guitar and played I Don't Know You and John Dawson sang the song. My brother talked to him for a long time. My brother said he was super friendly , just a real cool guy.

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 00:03

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That's great, Billy! I wonder how John wound up teaching English in Mexico. I guess he was a very private sort of person.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 04:56

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...Greetings everyone! wishing everyone a grateful Thursday today! I see another grateful post from stridder, excellent as always my friend & thank you for sharing With all us DeadHead members Here, bravo!
Concerning ‘DeadVkings’, how about The “Primo” ‘Warfield’ - RSD Release was sourced from The original recordings done by Betty and it’s important to know these tapes were never officially released or used on any past release official or not from the Warfield! Two solid LPs of “acoustic” Grateful Dead with Pristine & clean recordings, mastering & mix! An excellent snap shot of the dead doing their best playing & paying tribute to the Americana music style at the time in history.
Concerning ‘New riders of the purple Sage‘, my cousin is the Bass Player so the new riders are apart of my extended family for over 40 years now! What a long strange trip it’s been!
Take care everyone, be safe be kind & rock On!
Decided early this morning I’m starting my day listening to Dave’s Picks #9! 5/14/74 ‘Adams Field House’ MT beautiful!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 06:39

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There are some fine shows to be mined there if you can handle midi-fied Dead. Was there a Scarlet>Fire on that tour? I know they shied away from it on 10-14, but I can't think of another yet that month.

these are all classic lps, blows has mau mau, a great protest song, when I was in high school, I was in the back of civics class and there was a blackboard, I wrote down the lyrics to Mau Mau for all to see, it stopped class and I was first chastised for what I did, later, I was applauded. starfighter has earthmother, and baron has flowers in the night, another great protest song. "Old man get some solders, keep them close at hand, the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land, guard yourselves most carefully military might, plants that can not bloom by day must flower in the night" seems to fit right in to today. I mean didn't Nixon want his brown shirted followers to "stand by" and want his sheep to go and "watch the polls"?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 07:31

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They were a bit scarce in 89.. but there were three in October. Some of this second set thunder was replaced by Dark Star, Death Don't, Attics, etc. Funny, I was just thinking about S>F in response to some 80's posts made on the Dave's Picks 35 thread.. that one of the big pulls for me in the 80's is Scarlet>Fire. Scarlet Begonias has that infectious, funky groove that just pulls me in. I can't imagine passing over these years altogether. Those opening two chords.. it sets the direction for the rest of the show.

89 Scarlet > Fires, 12 times played of 73 shows or once every six shows that year.

02/06/89- Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland, CA
03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
06/21/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
07/18/89- Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/01/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
10/14/89- Brendan Byrne Arena - East Rutherford, NJ
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
12/06/89- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 08:40

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You all covered a lot of ground yesterday. Nice work!

Bob T how’s Tour? One more show to go.
Can’t wait to hear all the tour stories.
I listened to tapes of the Stanley Theatre shows, they are sick!
Especially dig the Dark Star > Cumberland, Attics, Promised, UJB I heard yesterday from 9/27.
Wonderful wonderful stuff. 24 minutes into the furthest reaches of Dark Star the band pulls back the curtain and unloads the first and only verse. Too much!
Really enjoyed that.
Still working through 9/26 just finished a real nice PITB at start of Set 2, and liking the looks of this set list, Stand Up, Sit Down, Stand Up, Turn Around, Stand On Your Heads, Woo Hoo. Dig it.

Marmaduke sure does seem like a kind hearted sole, I like the scene in Last Days of Fillmore where he gets the balloon for the little kid. Great stories Gollum & BTK!

Have you all heard “In The Morning” outtake from Surrealistic Pillow with Jerry G? Killer ’66 Jerry jams on that one, stumbled across it the other day. Well worth seeking out. It’s on YouTube.

DeadVikes with those 1980 Warfield / Radio City shows, I think most of it still exists in the vault. What DL was saying was “Unfortunately a lot of that was erased.” So I think it’s a scenario where you don’t have a couple of reels for a few shows, seems like all the acoustic stuff was saved. I think the SBDs that circulate pretty much reflect what’s in the vault. But, goes to show you don’t ever know.

I see OB went out on Sept ’73 horns tour.. WAAAAApppRR, SQUEAK, RARRRRP ;)

There’s some skeevy tapes, cringey stuff, but some gems as well, looking forward to the road reports.

Alright, keep up the good work you all.
I think I should be done with this ’72 jones after this 9/26 show raps up.

What’s that you say VGuy? 4/5/89

Hopefully we can make American Beauty - The Angel’s Share Outtakes a POD.
Links not working yet… Exciting!

Yasss, finally inchin my way through this groovy 73 horn tour. Can’t believe I’ve never gone there, especially since fall/winter 73 has always been one of my top tours. Really dig those last ten of the year with just the true five piece.
Speaking of, I believe proudfoot was just waving the 12/18/73 banner on the other board. Can’t wait till we get that one!

So did 9/15/73 yesterday and it definitely seemed better than the previous show. Perhaps a bit more upbeat from the get go. Aud of the first set not great, but by the historical standards not bad, listenable. Second set SB much better. Not being a taper though I don’t have a good reference point. In fact back in the day 73, hell pretty much any pre hiatus tapes were hard for us to come by, at least good sounding ones...were so spoiled now my reference point has been skewed big time, which is nice!
Been listening at work so not ideal conditions as far as sound and concentration but in some ways that’s better. Much is subliminal in the background but often when something stands out I’ll really start to notice. Tennessee and Playing did so in the first. Believe I thought the Bird Song was mediocre? Second set was great. The progression with the horns is interesting as it seems both the band and the horns get a little bit tighter every show. You can definitely tell what they were more familiar with i.e., WRS/LIG and what they seem to be winging it on i.e., Truckin’, Mags etc..
I like the horns, though due to the idiosyncrasies of SBs they’re perhaps too up in the mix which would make sense...
I also assume that in typical GD fashion they probably didn’t have a ton of rehearsal? Perhaps one of you in the know intrepid travelers is familiar with some history on this? Would love to learn more about this unique tour.

Would you want to have the horns all the time? Probably not, though if they had a side player who’d work for rate yet still have the chops, it might have been interesting to have someone more often to play specific parts with charts etc, but that’s not very GD lol. Like if they had parts all worked out like in the studio for Estimated etc it might be cool.
To me this was the same problem with Clarence or Bradford. It sometimes seemed like everyone was just blowing or noodling at the same time and not always hitting the group improve X factor?
Hell, imho that sometimes happened with Bruce and Vince in the mix too. I’ve always felt like the Dead could get too bogged down with too many voices. One reason I love the 71-74 five piece so much; all that space in the mix...

Ok, enough ramblin, on to the Cuse! Must of been awesome to see/hear that pre 74 like wall set up in that building.
Saw them there a couple times before they switched to that horrible dome, and though it did have a bit of a sonic signature like many of those old “war memorials”, I dug the place. Saw a great JGB show there in 93 I believe?

Scarlet>Truckin' I thought. Maybe somebody beat me to that correction but I'm just scanning the posts and saw Jim's analysis. I'll check out Crisler and 10/20 Scar>fire because I want to hear it. :-) Have a Grateful Day all! Thanks essential workers...Today's Thursday which means tomorrow is Friday by the way... :-)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:12

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is mighty fine!
I like that 4/5 show, have a copy I ripped from a tape on my machine...Makes me want to go there, but I’m all into this 73 trip especially going in order to see how things progress etc.

FALL 89 and S/Fires... Jim, thanks for the nice list. Lucky I saw Alpine and Philly. I haven’t heard everything on that tour yet, but I’m familiar with most except Charlotte and the first Jersey show or 2...
Think there’s potential for a great box here, with great shows and mighty multi-tracks! Not sure we’d need the whole tour but I’d say a couple more from Jersey, definitely the Spectrum Shows, one if not both ?? from Charlotte and the other Miami show, with perhaps some of the Shoreline shows? Only familiar with 9/29 which would go nicely with said box, not familiar with the other 2 yet? These would make a nice 10-12 show box!
Can’t recall specifically about the Philly Scarlet/Fire but remember that whole show, hell that whole run was great.
Hey Pockey way which was always a favorite Brent tune, into S/F, Truckin’ and TOO I believe before drums, after one of those “ya had to be” there moments fir California Earthquake to end the first. That still gives me goosebumps!
Yeah I’m way biased but really hoping someday sooner than later we get all or part of this tour

EDIT: damn, now y’all got me thinking I need to hit this tour next BobT style! So I better hurry up and get going on 73 LOL!

EDIT: oops, I guess Alpine was Sugar Mag/Scarlet, no Fire...I’ll blame that on a Jim not my senility 😉

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:32

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Because 4-6-89 was my first show.
So I like it better than 4-5.
I should have gone to both nights, but that pesky job thing got in the way.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:53

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Well, nobody guessed that. 3/26/87 and 3/27/87 Hartford CT

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:55

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No one saw that coming.

But I do now see a lot of complaining coming.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:09

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Dang it.. Was calling Pigpen Era, thought Dave had left me a nice breadcrumb trail to it.

Alright, 1987 it is, I've been known to partake.

My 17 year old self would've freaked out with excitement!!
So I'll let that guy drive this train. Woo-Hoo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:38

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Ooops.. something went way wrong with my list. Let me redo it...

Went from 12 to 6, and only one in October. Sorry about that..

03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

Holy shit 1987! Yes, I think I guaranteed it would not be from the 1980s. I was way off.

This is great, Dave is definitely keeping us on our toes and I am super excited for this release. 87 is hot! Love it. What a year!

Now, let's top it off with another box!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:06

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Looks like only one Shakedown that month and I read it's a good one, too (Compendium)

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:22

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Very happy for those who enjoy the Brent years. I saw plenty of shows and he was not really that audible so they were a blast. On tape I just can't stomach that gravelly voice and plinky keyboard. I envy you guys. Funny thing is I enjoy a good 1980 show. He used to blend in much better with the band with a Hammond at Pigpen level of volume and smoother voice.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 06:29

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Hello from Springfield MA!! Last day of my virtual Sept 72 tour.... Anyone want to jump ahead with me 5 years today and listen to this show>>> Casey Jones return after 3 years to start the first set and a smoking Set II Have a good weekend all.. Crisler was a good listen and call yesterday.. Bob t

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 07:04

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Wow, what a day for Dead Heads!

Gifts galore.

My favorite things:
1. Deadcast - Gary Lambert's eye witness account of Jerry playing keys during the 9/17/70 Acoustic set at the Fillmore East.
(line up was: Jerry Keys, Phil Guitar, Nelson Guitar, Tolbert Bass, Billy Drums, Mickey Percussion, Pigpen Organ, Bobby Vocals.)
2. American Beauty Angel's Share Demos & More to come (Demos are out of sight!)
3. Highly anticipated announcement of DaP V36
(An official release from Spring Tour '87! I've heard the Ultramatrix, and Taper's Section of SBD, now bring on the normanized version from the hottest tour I got to be a part of.)

Kinda knocks your socks off.
That's how it's done folks, 25 years after the band has packed and gone and they've still got me on the edge of my seat waiting for what's next.
Well done, well done, hats off to all who are making this happen, you all are doing great stuff!!
(BTW if you need any help, lmk!)

10/2/77 is a smoker.
Nice Pick.
Can't wait to hear about tour when you're back home.

Okay.. Happy Friday!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 09:01

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Saw one CJ opener in my life, and I believe the only time they did this post hiatus. It was Merriweather '84 and the first show of the summer tour within range of the interstate '95 corridor. Interstate 95 runs from Miami up the coast through Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, New York City, Providence and Boston. One can surmise why they picked this as the opener. Could have been because at the time the I95 corridor was paved with the white powder? We will never know for sure..

The show had the ever present vocal (and other) anomalies of the time, but it was and it was a rocker. I am embarrassed to admit I shamelessly traded my good seats in the pavilion for front row center just by faking it and boldly walking up front. Very inconsiderate I would never do that now - I was young and stupid but man was that show fun. The kids they dance they shake their bones...

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 11:07

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10/18/89 Shakedown, yaaasssss, it was real, and it was spectacular lol
9/17/73: continuing my journey. I feel like every show on this tour they all get a little more comfortable with the different format, especially the horn players, which makes sense.
This show seemed to pick up on the previous show and continue to step it up. The second sets seem especially upbeat, like they were starting to really get into it. (A pattern on this tour).
Seemed like this SB was relatively good too, though my listening variables are such that I can’t fully comment on that.
It’s been fun so far, I’ve really been enjoying the trip.
Though it’s hard to carve the time out, and sometimes takes discipline to not jump around to something else, I really think doing a whole tour in order is a fascinating way to gain a better understanding of the continuous change and nuance that occurred over the course of a tour. It’s one thing to jump from tour to tour or year to year and catch the perhaps more noticeable differences, but it’s more enlightening to pick up on them during their actual evolution.
Perhaps the biggest example Is Let Me Sing a Your Blues Away. Most interesting is the removal of the jam after only the first night I believe? I kinda dug it even though Kieth has to basically yell at them to return to the main song body, but it had an energy/potential to it. Curious if this was fostered by KG, someone else, or the band as a whole?
Ok, onward to the Rectum and 9/20/73. Interestingly looks like no WRS/LIG this night, or is it just incomplete?
Not at home so no deadbase, and can’t seem to find anything on line to contradict?
Anywho, enjoy your day eh!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 14:32

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I was checking the polls on the Dave's Picks 35 thread. Apparently, Oroborous is a shoe in to be the next Senator from Colorado.

Wave the flag!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 16:42

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Oroborous will need to file paperwork, and the way he has been treated by USPS lately makes me think that his election registration paperwork will get ‘lost’, then ‘returned to sender’, then ‘lost’ again.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 17:55

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but as I recall in the end he got what he wanted. Multiple people on the DaP 35 thread are saying he can speak for them. It's a real grass roots effort. I see dead.net having two Senators in another month. And why shouldn't we? We should all be Senators, what could possibly go wrong?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:00

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back to the usual normal, a few steps behind the pack. first, though, hope folks weren't too taken aback at my insistence and enthusiasm for 9/28/72. yes, i sorta like that show. some tough reel gaps in Bear's first set, hoping there's a second reel source out there by Betty (is that possible?)

i started going the Horns-73 tour route and there's a whole lot to explore. other than a spot check here and there over the years , it's pretty much uncharted territory for me out there and so far its straight up mind blown. started with 9/11 and that show is fantastic, band totally on. that Let Me Sing is so fun to listen to - yep Keith gives a little yell in there! excellent intimate version and has me wanting more and wishing there had been more than the handful from this tour. I love the horn work on WRS. I think everybody is really inspired during this show. - among other thing there's a cool Bob led jam in Dark Star that reminds me (without doing an A/B) of (what I thought was) a one off in the DS jam from International Amphitheatre July 1974. And then Phil just starts CRUSHING it - honestly it was "holy cr*p!!" amazement. Probably not surprising but the Dark Star really reminds me in places of a favorite which is the DiP 19 10/19/73. The Morning Dew has got to be one of the finest - tough that the reel source drops for the climax but that is one fantastic 73 audience that fills the gap. currently on 9/17/73 - another great show. what is the crazy keyboard effect that keith is playing during Looks Like Rain?

"No hay way!" that Dave's 36 would be '87. Oh yeah - "Si hay way!" Que sorpresa, clearly no leaks on that one prior to announcement. while my preference is always going to be early 70s, '87 was a great year, saw a bunch of excellent shows, and welcome a release from that we-will-survive spring. I saw the first 2 shows in UIC Pavillion at end of the tour, and the first (4/9) is a freaking barn burner with a spot on Scarlet>Fire to open Set II (me, listening to the tuning - Julie it's Scarlet!! julie - how do you know?? me - it is!!) and a China Doll out of Space. i remember wandering Chief Hosa campground out above Morrison later that summer and hearing this crazy good Uncle John's jam coming from a boombox and when I asked them where it was from it was UIC 4/9, and I'm like oh yeah that was freaking excellent, I was there! So all in with the '87 Hartford whales.

For sure casting my vote for Senator Oro.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:44

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“Any club that would have me as a member, I wouldn’t want to belong to” or as my ole long departed friend used to say “any women that would go out with me, I wouldn’t want to go out with”
I think we leave the senatorial duties in the experienced, competent hands of the senator from the great state of Nevada!
Bluecrow: welcome aboard the funky ass groove tour! Right, can’t believe it’s taken all these years to finally jump aboard this train. Did 9/20/73 today, good show, not so good sources.

EDIT: actually, I probably couldn’t do worse then whatever dipshit we get stuck with lol

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 22:14

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Sorry ladies & gentleman’s, “double” down post, oops, my first time forgive me please!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 07:34

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Had a great time with this show Bob t. Good call. First Casey Jones and Duprees since .....
I would have to think this one will get released at some point. Of course it will cause complaining about another 77 release, but I would be excited.

Okay, enjoy the weekend all.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 08:43

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another show from Fall 77 that is ripe for release. also coming up on anniversary of the great yet under the radar 10/9/77 McNichols show.

just "spun" again the Eyes > WRS > Stella Blue from 9/17/73. love everything about it. and the horn accents on the Sugar Mag rave up - omfg. that horn tour is special.

*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
*Grateful Dead - ‘Touch Of Grey’ (Orchard Park, NY 7/4/89)
** “The second set-opening Touch Of Grey is a triumphant rendition, one that Dick Latvala, when he first heard it, commented 'that's the best Touch Of Grey I've ever heard!' This was the Dead's first full stadium tour as headliners (they played stadium tours in 1986 with Dylan and Petty, and in 1987 with Dylan), and they played so well during this tour that they made these massive venues feel intimate." - David Lemieux
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
...man I love this show, Jerry is in high spirits as the video/Film speaks for its self! Have a grateful day everyone, put a little love in your heart!
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q360h88izsg 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 10:33

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I'm adding this to my weekend queue. I just listened to the infamous pre-concert hangout with Jerry. It's great to hear Jerry prepping for the show, stringing his guitar, and talking about tunings, and just about any other topic that comes up. Got me in the mood for this show that I've never even heard before.

I was there with you Jim for that Merriweather Casey Jones opener! The song isn't a particular favorite of mine, but it sure felt like a true surprise back then.

Nice call Gollum

Great Pre-Show stuff!

Love hearing Jerry's thoughts and take on things.

I listened to this years ago, but things take on so much more meaning as you learn and understand who the players are and the stuff that was happening that they're discussing.

Kind of like the music.

And that's why we're all here.

Thanks for the tip, Good stuff!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 14:07

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If you are looking for something to listen to today and like anniversary show, take a listen.... 30 Trips release and the return of Good Lovin, only second time song by Bob, (10/20/74 first)....Disc 3 very unique.... Have a good weekend everyone..... Bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 07:48

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Okay, going to put this 30 Trips show on today a day late. Have not listened to this in a while.

Looking forward to Dave's 36 and the potential for the first 4 disc release. This series will continue on and will continue to sell out each release, despite the people that don't like the 1980s. I would love your unopened copies.