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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #7141
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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    in the queue...

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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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    ...On behalf of the group"

    Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

    Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 13:40

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I like this tour. I agree with Jim that 9/11/73 is the strongest show of this tour !!! I also like the 9/15/73 show that you are listening to also.. Love Phil during Truckin when he says, "Howard Cosell said that" after long strange trip line....Just finished my American University 9/30/72 show.... Now putting on one other anniversary show, Mershon Auditorium from 9/30/76... Started listening to this part of that tour after Cobo 10/3/76 was released on 30 trips..... (that's another listen in a few days)... bob t

Listening to Phil's 50th birthday show today. Love this show. The Terrapin, Mock Turtle Jam is sweet.
Great Althea, Tom Thumbs Blues.
Revolution closer.

If you haven't listened to this one in a while, check it out. The official release from 1997 still stands the test of time.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 20:07

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Was it 1997? It was (is) a limited release and it's still for sale. I wonder what the production run was? Weren't they going to build a trippy GD theme park or something with the proceeds? What a long strange trip it's been.

Great show, great recording.. a taste of what would become decades later when they released the whole tour.

What's in store for tomorrow? Oro, anyone?

..and Strider/Gollum.. I am right there with you. I think I saw Hot Tuna doing a few acoustic songs the first time during intermission at the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour in '87, at Merriweather. Ziggy Marley opened. Then it took me some time to see them again, I forget when.. but I have been patiently chipping away at shows since that time and now they #2 with the GD being the band I have seen the most. Jorma is a living American legend. An unbelievable talent and I agree.. the real deal. I feel the same way about the NRPS, I would make it a point to see them at least once when they were on the same side of the continental divide as me, but with Buddy Cage gone and David Nelson getting up there in years I fear seeing who is left will be few and far between.

On the same stream of consciousness.. I avoided the GD cover band incarnations for years, until 2007. I have to admit it felt weird.. seeing Jerry clones up on stage but I have gotten over that. I enjoy it, including Dead & Company. Bygones.. I like GD music and just hearing someone perform those sacred songs puts me in a good place. I saw Phil's band doing a sweet interpretation of Peggy-O early on.. with some incredible, soft and classy fiddle and I think pedal steel(?). It brought back bittersweet memories. I am happy people are out there carrying the torch. I do agree with what has been written, it's not the same but I am happier being a part of it all than, well, what is it we are supposed to do besides..... Nevermind.. I will gracefully quit while I am behind.

Have a great week all.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 22:36

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Hey Jim, I also love NRPS but only saw them once live. I was going to see David Nelson for the first time at the Ventura Skull&Roses fest last April but of course it was cancelled. Billy K was also supposed to be there. Such a bummer.

This gives me a chance to tell my Marmaduke/Reno story. Forgive me, I've told it here before but I can't resist. I went to an NRPS show in Reno in the mid 80's. Only Marmaduke and two others showed up. Marmaduke explained that the rest of the band was in jail, having been busted for weed at the previous gig at Tahoe. He played a great "Friend of the Devil". So, there's Marmaduke singing "Friend of the Devil", a song he co-wrote, in Reno, with real sheriffs out on the trail. How cool is that? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But I digress.... what are we listening to tomorrow? Isn't the weekend coming up?!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 23:01

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John Dawson came into the music store my brother works in ( Gryphon Stringed Instruments in Palo Alto) and my brother picked up an acoustic guitar and played I Don't Know You and John Dawson sang the song. My brother talked to him for a long time. My brother said he was super friendly , just a real cool guy.

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 00:03

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That's great, Billy! I wonder how John wound up teaching English in Mexico. I guess he was a very private sort of person.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 04:56

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...Greetings everyone! wishing everyone a grateful Thursday today! I see another grateful post from stridder, excellent as always my friend & thank you for sharing With all us DeadHead members Here, bravo!
Concerning ‘DeadVkings’, how about The “Primo” ‘Warfield’ - RSD Release was sourced from The original recordings done by Betty and it’s important to know these tapes were never officially released or used on any past release official or not from the Warfield! Two solid LPs of “acoustic” Grateful Dead with Pristine & clean recordings, mastering & mix! An excellent snap shot of the dead doing their best playing & paying tribute to the Americana music style at the time in history.
Concerning ‘New riders of the purple Sage‘, my cousin is the Bass Player so the new riders are apart of my extended family for over 40 years now! What a long strange trip it’s been!
Take care everyone, be safe be kind & rock On!
Decided early this morning I’m starting my day listening to Dave’s Picks #9! 5/14/74 ‘Adams Field House’ MT beautiful!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 06:39

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There are some fine shows to be mined there if you can handle midi-fied Dead. Was there a Scarlet>Fire on that tour? I know they shied away from it on 10-14, but I can't think of another yet that month.

these are all classic lps, blows has mau mau, a great protest song, when I was in high school, I was in the back of civics class and there was a blackboard, I wrote down the lyrics to Mau Mau for all to see, it stopped class and I was first chastised for what I did, later, I was applauded. starfighter has earthmother, and baron has flowers in the night, another great protest song. "Old man get some solders, keep them close at hand, the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land, guard yourselves most carefully military might, plants that can not bloom by day must flower in the night" seems to fit right in to today. I mean didn't Nixon want his brown shirted followers to "stand by" and want his sheep to go and "watch the polls"?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 07:31

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They were a bit scarce in 89.. but there were three in October. Some of this second set thunder was replaced by Dark Star, Death Don't, Attics, etc. Funny, I was just thinking about S>F in response to some 80's posts made on the Dave's Picks 35 thread.. that one of the big pulls for me in the 80's is Scarlet>Fire. Scarlet Begonias has that infectious, funky groove that just pulls me in. I can't imagine passing over these years altogether. Those opening two chords.. it sets the direction for the rest of the show.

89 Scarlet > Fires, 12 times played of 73 shows or once every six shows that year.

02/06/89- Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland, CA
03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
06/21/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
07/18/89- Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/01/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
10/14/89- Brendan Byrne Arena - East Rutherford, NJ
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
12/06/89- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 08:40

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You all covered a lot of ground yesterday. Nice work!

Bob T how’s Tour? One more show to go.
Can’t wait to hear all the tour stories.
I listened to tapes of the Stanley Theatre shows, they are sick!
Especially dig the Dark Star > Cumberland, Attics, Promised, UJB I heard yesterday from 9/27.
Wonderful wonderful stuff. 24 minutes into the furthest reaches of Dark Star the band pulls back the curtain and unloads the first and only verse. Too much!
Really enjoyed that.
Still working through 9/26 just finished a real nice PITB at start of Set 2, and liking the looks of this set list, Stand Up, Sit Down, Stand Up, Turn Around, Stand On Your Heads, Woo Hoo. Dig it.

Marmaduke sure does seem like a kind hearted sole, I like the scene in Last Days of Fillmore where he gets the balloon for the little kid. Great stories Gollum & BTK!

Have you all heard “In The Morning” outtake from Surrealistic Pillow with Jerry G? Killer ’66 Jerry jams on that one, stumbled across it the other day. Well worth seeking out. It’s on YouTube.

DeadVikes with those 1980 Warfield / Radio City shows, I think most of it still exists in the vault. What DL was saying was “Unfortunately a lot of that was erased.” So I think it’s a scenario where you don’t have a couple of reels for a few shows, seems like all the acoustic stuff was saved. I think the SBDs that circulate pretty much reflect what’s in the vault. But, goes to show you don’t ever know.

I see OB went out on Sept ’73 horns tour.. WAAAAApppRR, SQUEAK, RARRRRP ;)

There’s some skeevy tapes, cringey stuff, but some gems as well, looking forward to the road reports.

Alright, keep up the good work you all.
I think I should be done with this ’72 jones after this 9/26 show raps up.

What’s that you say VGuy? 4/5/89

Hopefully we can make American Beauty - The Angel’s Share Outtakes a POD.
Links not working yet… Exciting!

Yasss, finally inchin my way through this groovy 73 horn tour. Can’t believe I’ve never gone there, especially since fall/winter 73 has always been one of my top tours. Really dig those last ten of the year with just the true five piece.
Speaking of, I believe proudfoot was just waving the 12/18/73 banner on the other board. Can’t wait till we get that one!

So did 9/15/73 yesterday and it definitely seemed better than the previous show. Perhaps a bit more upbeat from the get go. Aud of the first set not great, but by the historical standards not bad, listenable. Second set SB much better. Not being a taper though I don’t have a good reference point. In fact back in the day 73, hell pretty much any pre hiatus tapes were hard for us to come by, at least good sounding ones...were so spoiled now my reference point has been skewed big time, which is nice!
Been listening at work so not ideal conditions as far as sound and concentration but in some ways that’s better. Much is subliminal in the background but often when something stands out I’ll really start to notice. Tennessee and Playing did so in the first. Believe I thought the Bird Song was mediocre? Second set was great. The progression with the horns is interesting as it seems both the band and the horns get a little bit tighter every show. You can definitely tell what they were more familiar with i.e., WRS/LIG and what they seem to be winging it on i.e., Truckin’, Mags etc..
I like the horns, though due to the idiosyncrasies of SBs they’re perhaps too up in the mix which would make sense...
I also assume that in typical GD fashion they probably didn’t have a ton of rehearsal? Perhaps one of you in the know intrepid travelers is familiar with some history on this? Would love to learn more about this unique tour.

Would you want to have the horns all the time? Probably not, though if they had a side player who’d work for rate yet still have the chops, it might have been interesting to have someone more often to play specific parts with charts etc, but that’s not very GD lol. Like if they had parts all worked out like in the studio for Estimated etc it might be cool.
To me this was the same problem with Clarence or Bradford. It sometimes seemed like everyone was just blowing or noodling at the same time and not always hitting the group improve X factor?
Hell, imho that sometimes happened with Bruce and Vince in the mix too. I’ve always felt like the Dead could get too bogged down with too many voices. One reason I love the 71-74 five piece so much; all that space in the mix...

Ok, enough ramblin, on to the Cuse! Must of been awesome to see/hear that pre 74 like wall set up in that building.
Saw them there a couple times before they switched to that horrible dome, and though it did have a bit of a sonic signature like many of those old “war memorials”, I dug the place. Saw a great JGB show there in 93 I believe?

Scarlet>Truckin' I thought. Maybe somebody beat me to that correction but I'm just scanning the posts and saw Jim's analysis. I'll check out Crisler and 10/20 Scar>fire because I want to hear it. :-) Have a Grateful Day all! Thanks essential workers...Today's Thursday which means tomorrow is Friday by the way... :-)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:12

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is mighty fine!
I like that 4/5 show, have a copy I ripped from a tape on my machine...Makes me want to go there, but I’m all into this 73 trip especially going in order to see how things progress etc.

FALL 89 and S/Fires... Jim, thanks for the nice list. Lucky I saw Alpine and Philly. I haven’t heard everything on that tour yet, but I’m familiar with most except Charlotte and the first Jersey show or 2...
Think there’s potential for a great box here, with great shows and mighty multi-tracks! Not sure we’d need the whole tour but I’d say a couple more from Jersey, definitely the Spectrum Shows, one if not both ?? from Charlotte and the other Miami show, with perhaps some of the Shoreline shows? Only familiar with 9/29 which would go nicely with said box, not familiar with the other 2 yet? These would make a nice 10-12 show box!
Can’t recall specifically about the Philly Scarlet/Fire but remember that whole show, hell that whole run was great.
Hey Pockey way which was always a favorite Brent tune, into S/F, Truckin’ and TOO I believe before drums, after one of those “ya had to be” there moments fir California Earthquake to end the first. That still gives me goosebumps!
Yeah I’m way biased but really hoping someday sooner than later we get all or part of this tour

EDIT: damn, now y’all got me thinking I need to hit this tour next BobT style! So I better hurry up and get going on 73 LOL!

EDIT: oops, I guess Alpine was Sugar Mag/Scarlet, no Fire...I’ll blame that on a Jim not my senility 😉

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:32

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Because 4-6-89 was my first show.
So I like it better than 4-5.
I should have gone to both nights, but that pesky job thing got in the way.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:53

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Well, nobody guessed that. 3/26/87 and 3/27/87 Hartford CT

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:55

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No one saw that coming.

But I do now see a lot of complaining coming.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:09

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Dang it.. Was calling Pigpen Era, thought Dave had left me a nice breadcrumb trail to it.

Alright, 1987 it is, I've been known to partake.

My 17 year old self would've freaked out with excitement!!
So I'll let that guy drive this train. Woo-Hoo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:38

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Ooops.. something went way wrong with my list. Let me redo it...

Went from 12 to 6, and only one in October. Sorry about that..

03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 12:04

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Holy shit 1987! Yes, I think I guaranteed it would not be from the 1980s. I was way off.

This is great, Dave is definitely keeping us on our toes and I am super excited for this release. 87 is hot! Love it. What a year!

Now, let's top it off with another box!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:06

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Looks like only one Shakedown that month and I read it's a good one, too (Compendium)

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:22

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Very happy for those who enjoy the Brent years. I saw plenty of shows and he was not really that audible so they were a blast. On tape I just can't stomach that gravelly voice and plinky keyboard. I envy you guys. Funny thing is I enjoy a good 1980 show. He used to blend in much better with the band with a Hammond at Pigpen level of volume and smoother voice.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 06:29

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Hello from Springfield MA!! Last day of my virtual Sept 72 tour.... Anyone want to jump ahead with me 5 years today and listen to this show>>> Casey Jones return after 3 years to start the first set and a smoking Set II Have a good weekend all.. Crisler was a good listen and call yesterday.. Bob t

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 07:04

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Wow, what a day for Dead Heads!

Gifts galore.

My favorite things:
1. Deadcast - Gary Lambert's eye witness account of Jerry playing keys during the 9/17/70 Acoustic set at the Fillmore East.
(line up was: Jerry Keys, Phil Guitar, Nelson Guitar, Tolbert Bass, Billy Drums, Mickey Percussion, Pigpen Organ, Bobby Vocals.)
2. American Beauty Angel's Share Demos & More to come (Demos are out of sight!)
3. Highly anticipated announcement of DaP V36
(An official release from Spring Tour '87! I've heard the Ultramatrix, and Taper's Section of SBD, now bring on the normanized version from the hottest tour I got to be a part of.)

Kinda knocks your socks off.
That's how it's done folks, 25 years after the band has packed and gone and they've still got me on the edge of my seat waiting for what's next.
Well done, well done, hats off to all who are making this happen, you all are doing great stuff!!
(BTW if you need any help, lmk!)

10/2/77 is a smoker.
Nice Pick.
Can't wait to hear about tour when you're back home.

Okay.. Happy Friday!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 09:01

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Saw one CJ opener in my life, and I believe the only time they did this post hiatus. It was Merriweather '84 and the first show of the summer tour within range of the interstate '95 corridor. Interstate 95 runs from Miami up the coast through Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, New York City, Providence and Boston. One can surmise why they picked this as the opener. Could have been because at the time the I95 corridor was paved with the white powder? We will never know for sure..

The show had the ever present vocal (and other) anomalies of the time, but it was and it was a rocker. I am embarrassed to admit I shamelessly traded my good seats in the pavilion for front row center just by faking it and boldly walking up front. Very inconsiderate I would never do that now - I was young and stupid but man was that show fun. The kids they dance they shake their bones...

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 11:07

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10/18/89 Shakedown, yaaasssss, it was real, and it was spectacular lol
9/17/73: continuing my journey. I feel like every show on this tour they all get a little more comfortable with the different format, especially the horn players, which makes sense.
This show seemed to pick up on the previous show and continue to step it up. The second sets seem especially upbeat, like they were starting to really get into it. (A pattern on this tour).
Seemed like this SB was relatively good too, though my listening variables are such that I can’t fully comment on that.
It’s been fun so far, I’ve really been enjoying the trip.
Though it’s hard to carve the time out, and sometimes takes discipline to not jump around to something else, I really think doing a whole tour in order is a fascinating way to gain a better understanding of the continuous change and nuance that occurred over the course of a tour. It’s one thing to jump from tour to tour or year to year and catch the perhaps more noticeable differences, but it’s more enlightening to pick up on them during their actual evolution.
Perhaps the biggest example Is Let Me Sing a Your Blues Away. Most interesting is the removal of the jam after only the first night I believe? I kinda dug it even though Kieth has to basically yell at them to return to the main song body, but it had an energy/potential to it. Curious if this was fostered by KG, someone else, or the band as a whole?
Ok, onward to the Rectum and 9/20/73. Interestingly looks like no WRS/LIG this night, or is it just incomplete?
Not at home so no deadbase, and can’t seem to find anything on line to contradict?
Anywho, enjoy your day eh!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 14:32

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I was checking the polls on the Dave's Picks 35 thread. Apparently, Oroborous is a shoe in to be the next Senator from Colorado.

Wave the flag!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 16:42

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Oroborous will need to file paperwork, and the way he has been treated by USPS lately makes me think that his election registration paperwork will get ‘lost’, then ‘returned to sender’, then ‘lost’ again.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 17:55

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but as I recall in the end he got what he wanted. Multiple people on the DaP 35 thread are saying he can speak for them. It's a real grass roots effort. I see dead.net having two Senators in another month. And why shouldn't we? We should all be Senators, what could possibly go wrong?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:00

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back to the usual normal, a few steps behind the pack. first, though, hope folks weren't too taken aback at my insistence and enthusiasm for 9/28/72. yes, i sorta like that show. some tough reel gaps in Bear's first set, hoping there's a second reel source out there by Betty (is that possible?)

i started going the Horns-73 tour route and there's a whole lot to explore. other than a spot check here and there over the years , it's pretty much uncharted territory for me out there and so far its straight up mind blown. started with 9/11 and that show is fantastic, band totally on. that Let Me Sing is so fun to listen to - yep Keith gives a little yell in there! excellent intimate version and has me wanting more and wishing there had been more than the handful from this tour. I love the horn work on WRS. I think everybody is really inspired during this show. - among other thing there's a cool Bob led jam in Dark Star that reminds me (without doing an A/B) of (what I thought was) a one off in the DS jam from International Amphitheatre July 1974. And then Phil just starts CRUSHING it - honestly it was "holy cr*p!!" amazement. Probably not surprising but the Dark Star really reminds me in places of a favorite which is the DiP 19 10/19/73. The Morning Dew has got to be one of the finest - tough that the reel source drops for the climax but that is one fantastic 73 audience that fills the gap. currently on 9/17/73 - another great show. what is the crazy keyboard effect that keith is playing during Looks Like Rain?

"No hay way!" that Dave's 36 would be '87. Oh yeah - "Si hay way!" Que sorpresa, clearly no leaks on that one prior to announcement. while my preference is always going to be early 70s, '87 was a great year, saw a bunch of excellent shows, and welcome a release from that we-will-survive spring. I saw the first 2 shows in UIC Pavillion at end of the tour, and the first (4/9) is a freaking barn burner with a spot on Scarlet>Fire to open Set II (me, listening to the tuning - Julie it's Scarlet!! julie - how do you know?? me - it is!!) and a China Doll out of Space. i remember wandering Chief Hosa campground out above Morrison later that summer and hearing this crazy good Uncle John's jam coming from a boombox and when I asked them where it was from it was UIC 4/9, and I'm like oh yeah that was freaking excellent, I was there! So all in with the '87 Hartford whales.

For sure casting my vote for Senator Oro.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:44

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“Any club that would have me as a member, I wouldn’t want to belong to” or as my ole long departed friend used to say “any women that would go out with me, I wouldn’t want to go out with”
I think we leave the senatorial duties in the experienced, competent hands of the senator from the great state of Nevada!
Bluecrow: welcome aboard the funky ass groove tour! Right, can’t believe it’s taken all these years to finally jump aboard this train. Did 9/20/73 today, good show, not so good sources.

EDIT: actually, I probably couldn’t do worse then whatever dipshit we get stuck with lol

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 22:14

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Sorry ladies & gentleman’s, “double” down post, oops, my first time forgive me please!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 07:34

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Had a great time with this show Bob t. Good call. First Casey Jones and Duprees since .....
I would have to think this one will get released at some point. Of course it will cause complaining about another 77 release, but I would be excited.

Okay, enjoy the weekend all.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 08:43

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another show from Fall 77 that is ripe for release. also coming up on anniversary of the great yet under the radar 10/9/77 McNichols show.

just "spun" again the Eyes > WRS > Stella Blue from 9/17/73. love everything about it. and the horn accents on the Sugar Mag rave up - omfg. that horn tour is special.

*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
*Grateful Dead - ‘Touch Of Grey’ (Orchard Park, NY 7/4/89)
** “The second set-opening Touch Of Grey is a triumphant rendition, one that Dick Latvala, when he first heard it, commented 'that's the best Touch Of Grey I've ever heard!' This was the Dead's first full stadium tour as headliners (they played stadium tours in 1986 with Dylan and Petty, and in 1987 with Dylan), and they played so well during this tour that they made these massive venues feel intimate." - David Lemieux
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
...man I love this show, Jerry is in high spirits as the video/Film speaks for its self! Have a grateful day everyone, put a little love in your heart!
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q360h88izsg 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 10:33

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I'm adding this to my weekend queue. I just listened to the infamous pre-concert hangout with Jerry. It's great to hear Jerry prepping for the show, stringing his guitar, and talking about tunings, and just about any other topic that comes up. Got me in the mood for this show that I've never even heard before.

I was there with you Jim for that Merriweather Casey Jones opener! The song isn't a particular favorite of mine, but it sure felt like a true surprise back then.

Nice call Gollum

Great Pre-Show stuff!

Love hearing Jerry's thoughts and take on things.

I listened to this years ago, but things take on so much more meaning as you learn and understand who the players are and the stuff that was happening that they're discussing.

Kind of like the music.

And that's why we're all here.

Thanks for the tip, Good stuff!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 14:07

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If you are looking for something to listen to today and like anniversary show, take a listen.... 30 Trips release and the return of Good Lovin, only second time song by Bob, (10/20/74 first)....Disc 3 very unique.... Have a good weekend everyone..... Bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 07:48

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Okay, going to put this 30 Trips show on today a day late. Have not listened to this in a while.

Looking forward to Dave's 36 and the potential for the first 4 disc release. This series will continue on and will continue to sell out each release, despite the people that don't like the 1980s. I would love your unopened copies.