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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2351
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    Isn't the goal here to be lighthearted? I try my best to not let the craziness of the world/media not get to me here? Isn't the goal here to be a kind prankster? They ask, "Are you kind?" Most of the flamers I look like as children, either actual age or not. Many are so deep in social media and issues that result thereof, they cannot see what it is doing to them. They are being handled, manipulated, and unwittingly abused by the profiteers. I try to stay away.

    Jim, had no idea of the McIntosh amp issues. Thanks for that piece of info. As much as I love the music, it is just how they were. So real and fun which someone wrote, "creating their own iconography." The richness of their traditions and internal musical dialog that we love is an unending source of comfort as they lived it everyday for 30 years. I wish I had a shot at hearing even 50% of their music, but as I have written before, my OCD makes me wear out a great jam over and over instead of looking for the next one. Need to work on that for sure.

    So Jim and Oro and many others, thanks for passing the test.

    G

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    You are kind soul.. I appreciate all you provide here. Same goes to Oro. I think it would take a face to face to catch me up on all the technology (old or new) that the two of you bring for me to truly understand. As for old.. and I am sure you both know.. in either late 73 or early 74 (I think 73).. the GD got into a scuffle with DOD over equipment they were ordering that was desperately needed for national security. Apparently, the Macintosh amps they were buying in unprecedented numbers were needed both in general and more specifically by special, top secret subs that needed the clean sound and amplification to either detect enemy interference or better hear and make stealth the noise they were making. So they called the GD and tried to work out a way to either stall, postpone or barter a purchasing arrangement that would not jeopardize national security.

    I think this is well known, and I apologize in advance for going on memory and surely confusing some of the information listed above as fact. ..but what is written is pretty close, if someone can clarify and correct it would not offend me in the least.

    Hope I didn't write anything that was incorrect or in any way interpreted as insulting or offensive.

    As for chainsaws and sawzaws to clear way for our living room WOS.. what could possibly be more fun.

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    Ah the sounds of my earliest fun dentist. "You dont need no gas!"

    All my stereo stuff is old, always fussy. Running all old Yamaha into JBL (plus svs). Trying to get stuff cleaned and parts replaced. When it is on, it is quite the stereo indeed. I have an old yamaha eq that I hooked up when Dave's first show was released. Goes into Pre amp, then to a yamaha mx-830. The MX-830 is powering 4 jbl g300's and 2 jbl LX 600's. Running 6 speakers means the amp is running at 550 watts at 2 ohms. It cooks. The speakers all have same tweeters and mid ranges. The 300s run 8" woofers and the 600s have 10 inch woofers. It is old but as you say "in budget." Smile.

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    Then the svs has a 550 watt continous, 850 watt peak sledge. The svs I picked up a few years back for $399. I had to have a sub with an internal crossover. So out of preamp to svs (rca cables), then back into the preamp, then to amp. Having old yamaha means older connection points. Modern amps control the crossover themself and pump sub out already crossed over. I happen to run my internal sub amp at a cutoff of 82 hz. George Lucas uses 80 hz crossover in his THX sound systems. So I am slightly above that. I did some sampling of the room using the preamp features.

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    Do you have any '74 Dijon?

    Neanderthal's use chain saws.. a sophisticated audiophile attacks their living rooms delicately with a sawzaw.

    I'm totally jealous.. I am blasting with my 20 year old Denon, similar age speakers with no intents on upgrading anytime soon. Budgets be budgets..

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    Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

    No 18's here. Of course not needed.

    Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

    I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

    Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

    That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

    Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

    I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

    Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

    Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

    G

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    That’s what chain saws are for!

    Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
    What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
    But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
    Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

    PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.

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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

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    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

    G

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

    G

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 09:20

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Hi everyone, well I am back from my virtual Sept 1972 tour.... Why I am booing.. Not because of the tour it was awesome!!! When i returned to 2020 i found out that someone tried to open a Home Depot credit card in my name very similar to my friend Jim in MD.... However i was fortunate enough to have a credit freeze on at the 3 credit bureaus to prevent such things... So i got the Lifelock text last night at 11:30.. Contacted Home Depot credit this morning, after a couple of calls found out they were not able to get the credit because of my freeze!!!! Here is the kicker, if the card had been issued it was coming to my address!!! But guess what, Home Depot will let you use the card before you actually receive the physical card once you are approved.. Coincidence that Home Depot has been used twice now by 2 posters??? So if you don't use paypal, like myself pay attention..... bob t

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 09:20

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Did Set 1 last night, Set 2 starting now.

After that I think I’ll do 7-12-87 from the GS Box for a little taste of 87 in honor of the upcoming DaP36.
Wonder how fast DaP36 ala carte’s will sell out.
Wonder if we’ll get a cassette master SBD or a matrix.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 09:35

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Good thing that got stopped BobT.

I’ve received notices of my name possibly being included in data breaches 3-4 times in less than 2 years.
And where’s that 3 free years of credit monitoring that I was supposed to receive as a result of the Equifax settlement?

Time the check my free credit report.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0155-free-credit-reports

Note: you can get it free once per year from each of the 3 agencies, but it doesn’t have to be at the same time. So, space it out and do a single agency at a time, once every 4 months, but don’t use the same agency for another 12 months. That way you can get a free report every 4 months.

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Oh yeah, the irony is that Equifax, one of the credit reporting agencies, got hacked and lost a lot of info, which is why they are supposed to be giving me (and millions of others) free credit monitoring.
I registered more than a year ago but never got anything. I’m going to look into that.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 09:47

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So after a brief diversion to FAC rock out to DaP 35, really dig the first set. The seconds starting to lose that new car smell...later, went to 7/12/87 after all the 87 hoopla, nice little show.
Meanwhile I had planned on trying to get a good listen in on DP 11 from 9/27/72, but ended up back at the fall 73 tour since I have a tour buddy now.
9/18/73 I was not able to find a source and DB 50 suggests it might of been cancelled?
9/20/73 seemed a tad below the mark comparatively, perhaps that’s why they didn’t break out all the new jazzy stuff? Cool nobody's jam outta truckin’ though. Tape didn’t help my vibe on this one.
9/21/73 seems to pick up where they left off with a status quo (meaning good) first with the stand out being a sweet HCSS! The second se5 was another beauty eh! And though the tape was decent the mix turned out to be lacking as the horns were sometimes inaudible. I even tried different versions but same problem, noticed some vocals and other drop outs occasionally...the only blemish musically was Let Me Sing as Kieth is also hard to hear sing, or may even be struggling as it seems like JG is much more prevelant, perhaps trying to compensate? Don’t think this can totally be attributed to the mix?
It’s a bummer that this was I believe the last version as it was a good song and he sang it well early on.
Feel like the jam on 9/11 had potential, but that was it...unless they did it on 9/8? Probably should have started with that one even sans horns...
But listening to this version it kinda feels over...
But no biggie as the majority of the second set kicks ass audio anomaly’s and all.
That whole Truckin’ through Rat, followed by a great Row Jimmy, and THEN the whole jazzy horn sequence of the show which would of been top notch except for the mix...I’ll need to go back and hear that post Truckin jam into the other one or maybe it’s the post TOO that I really dug, though I was actually in a fog groovin’ on the couch lol. Hey, it was Saturday I deserved a little couch time dammit!
Today I want to try and get DP 11 in, but those last 2 horn shows are calling, so who knows!
Think next week I’m going to try and do fall 89 in order though I doubt I’ll get to them all on the anniversary date.

That is a bummer Bob t, for you and the rest of the people on this site.
Hope they get this taken care of for all.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 03:01

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Sorry about your experience. I got nailed by someone in July, but my bank declined them, so I was lucky. I also received a letter from a vendor I spend at indicating they had a data breach in that period. I assume that's how my info got out there to be replicated in fake card form. So much for those security chips in the card.

So what does Lifelock do?

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 06:00

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Thanks for the kind words and sorry you had it happen also. Lifelock texts me anytime anyone attempts to open a line of credit, or anything similar like a payroll advance, or opening up a checking or savings account, in real time. So i received a text to my phone and an email the same day on Saturday that they tried to open the account. I have nothing to do with Lifelock also. They are the ones that told me about putting the credit freeze on at the credit bureaus, (by the way you can do that on line for free)... Also on a side note, I have my Visa set up to get alerts anytime any purchase is made on line or on phone, or internationally, which is another helpful tip!! Bob t

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 08:15

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Their ad says:
“ Our Travel agency offers:
Transparency.
Exceptional customer service.”

Transparency and exceptional customer service are certainly more than Rhino offers.

“Mind-blogging deals and offers.”

Mind-blogging?
Uh, ok.....

“Inconceivable deals on refunds and advance bookings.”

Inconceivable?
I’m not sure that means what you think it means....

Well, maybe they’re not so good.
Don’t give them your credit card number.

So I clicked on their link and my screen went completely blank. So transparency is the first thing you see when you do business with these guys. No doubt a good sign as honesty seems front and central in dealing with them.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 10/05/2020 - 16:12

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We have a great first set from 4/23/77 in Springfield, Great Row Jimmy and Scarlet>Fire, (third one ever), a good 78 and and 86 with the 4th ever Desolation Row and a Brother Essau... Complimentary head sets and snacks served also.... Bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 08:39

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How does the 5/11/77 show from the St. Paul Civic Center sound to you all?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 09:21

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Been a while since I gave this a spin. You caught me just in time, heading out the door with my favorite device in hand.

Move me brightly..

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 12:43

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Don't miss Phil dropping a snatch of China Doll pre-Wharf Rat. This is prior to the post-hiatus breakout a week later in Atlanta at the Fox. Anyone know if they played Big River in St.Paul? I suppose I can check, too. It's a nice show that pretty much has it all. Oh, except a Dark Star, although there is a Space...Be well and be grateful all! :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 13:26

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Yes, WTJ, this show they played Big River in the first set.

And I agree, great show. Really like the Jack Straw Peggy O. That Jack Straw just keeps building. As you said great Scarlet-Fire, love the UJB, Jam or Space into Wharf Rat. Love that Brokedown Palace encore.

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Take this for a test drive.
https://archive.org/details/gd1969-03-28.sbd.bear.motb.108057.flac16

Have listened to this several times over that past 2 weeks as I try to wrap my mind Around & Around it and anticipate if/when this will be released on CD and vinyl in Plangentized and Normanized glory.

The time is now Dave.
DaP37.
With a follow-up RSD vinyl.

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Submitted by burgerskelly on Tue, 10/06/2020 - 21:56

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 05:34

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Clearly in Kelly's post (below), her user name is in reference to the Hot Tuna album Burgers, not the fatty, cholesterol laden sandwich. After all, she's a self proclaimed health and lifestyle freak.

I have it on good advisement that Kelly is Hippie Chicks younger, hotter sister, a rabid dead fan and not a cereal spammer.

Update: Scratch that.., apparently my advisor uses a Ouija Board.

Kelly is actually a 450 lb grotesque cereal spammer living in the top level of a rat infested favela outside Rio. On the bright side, this new spamming habit has almost eliminated his desire for chronic pick-pocketing and the mugging of foreign tourists.

I very much enjoyed 5/11 yesterday. A wonderful palate cleanse - it has been a while since I listened to a full May 77 show. Today I am following Cone Kid down the phosphorescent 1969 rabbit hole and have set the dials to the wayback to 3/28/69. Getting the tractor up to 8.8 mph and holding on tight, here I go..

Any interest in taking a Warlocks tour to the Hampton Coliseum tomorrow and Friday ala 10/8 and 10/9/89?

My ReCRAPTCHA this morning read, "Select all pictures with time machines."

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 06:09

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May '77.. nuff said.
That was fun.

Sugaree in the closer spot. Rippin'

3/28/69 is a favorite.

Hampton Coliseum was a cool place.

Tractor Avatar is activated.

Brain is not.
Traffic Lights & Crosswalks.

GD Hour with David Gans to start my morning.
One more day I find myself alive...

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 09:24

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I like these picks! Modesto- 1969 Dead in a dusty cowtown. Then the Warlocks. I'm a little embarrassed to admit I've never heard the Warlocks shows, other than the Dark Star, I guess. Let's do this!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 11:18

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Oh yeah, I’m going to Hampton tomorrow and try and do the whole tour in order as I have not heard them all YET!

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 16:32

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I've recently done St. Paul. Obviously the Uncle John's Band Space Wharf Rat and Brokedown Palace is a knockout punch. The Scarlet Fire may be a tad underrated. Probably in my top 5.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 10/07/2020 - 20:16

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Welcome Keithfan, this is a fun spot.

So, 10/8/89 tomorrow and 10/9/89 on Friday. The big enchiladas of the 89 shows released so far.

I think about this box sitting on this site for sale from 2010 to at least 2016 for $69. What a bargain!

Looking forward to going through these two again.

Everybody hang loose.

Edit-Gollum, you have never heard these shows? Let us know your thoughts.

Beats the hell out of me. Ask Butch I guess.

Ticket number 8109, Sunday 7:30 PM October 8, 1989. Sunday was the purple ticket. The East Coast breakout of Help>Slip!>Franklins. The second set was hot, or as Brent and Phil recanted "...but you better take it easy 'cause this place is hot." I'm so glad I made it.

To get my tickets I was supposed to meet a friend.. who got the flu and didn't show up. I am meeting people I did not know at the Holiday Inn in the days before cell phones, texts, emails, etc.. I was basically stumbling around the parking lot for a long time with no plan and someone I did not know came out their room and said, hey.. are you Jim? Strangers stopping strangers...

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 10/08/2020 - 10:42

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Finished set 1 and loved it. I really like the sound of the band here. Phil, Bob and Jerry upfront and in good balance and Brent a bit more subdued than Spring 90, filling in holes tastefully. I really like this blend. And I've always liked the MIDI.
Oct 89 > Spring90? (maybe, for Gollum) but on to set 2...

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 10/08/2020 - 14:25

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So happy they did those shows!!! Haven't listened to them in a while!! Good call... Gonna listen to my favorite 82 show tomorrow... Frost Amphitheatre 10/9/82.... This is one of those shows i like better on audience!!! Really like the second set!!! Have a good day all. Bobt

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/08/2020 - 18:46

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You finished both today Bob t. You are an overachiever for sure.
10/9/89 for me tomorrow.

Can't imagine how great these shows would have been to see in person. You must have had a blast Jim on both days. Must have been weird to not have the scene outside.
10/9 of course gets a lot of praise due to the Dark Star and Death Don't Have No Mercy, but, 10/8 is no slouch.
Really great show. These recordings are so good.

Why don't people like them, who knows, but they are missing out.

89 has a lot to offer Gollum, they were really on fire until Brent passed.

Be well all.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 05:44

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The Hampton Roads space ship had achieved lift off for sure.. 31 years ago today.

What I don't remember about these shows is stunning, especially because for the most part I was sober.. perhaps a little shrubbery at most. There was a ton going on in my life at the time.. the beginning of real responsibilities that unfortunately I have not been able to shed to this day. I guess you can only stay a carefree kid for so long and life begins.. ready or not.

What I do remember was the return of the newly modified Wolf and just how good they were sounding. It made me think through the of shows I had seen and compare this to how they were playing these two nights. I saw some good ones early on, but pre coma there was a consistency and stamina problem. These two shows were solid, inspired and a huge improvement over what I had seen recently.. well.. probably ever. The boys were back in a big way. That is my strongest memory.

I knew they had pulled out Death Don't Have No Mercy the week before at Shoreline, the warm up for the fall tour shows. But I had no idea what was in store. I had those pre-show jitters, was there stag this time, somewhat unusual for me.. finding my place, fitting in with the complete strangers left, right and center.. then Stranger and that "Long Long Crazy Tour" line. The jitters were gone and the spaceship did not disappoint. I drove home right after the shows.. something like a six hour drive, I had class bright and early the next morning and started my week feeling rough but at peace with the world.

Were they the best shows ever, of course not.. but these shows represented a spark and the beginning of their last truly great run. So glad they recorded it multi-track. We are a lucky, spoiled bunch..

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 06:26

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I was out in the northwest when word of these shows reached me - first heard tapes at the Blue Moon. holy guacamole news. so time to pull out the old cigar box and spin 10/9 today (streamed 10/8 at work yesterday). so much goodness, and that Dew was something else. And Bid you Goodnight??!! these shows inspired me to drive down the coast to LA for the Forum shows (only shows I saw in '89.)

St Paul 5/11/77 is one of my favorite from the spring tour. whole show smokes with one of my personal favorite Scarlet>Fires.

Oro - the eagle has landed.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 06:48

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“when you see 8,000 kids all going up in the air together … Listen, this is powerful stuff!”
- Joseph Campbell re: Grateful Dead

Hampton was special.
Looking at the place you might not think so, but I saw things there that I've never seen anywhere else.
Things happened there, powerful things.

Now you could point to substances or drugs.. but we could play that parlor game all day.

But if you listen to shows from Hampton Coliseum, you can hear what I'm talking about.
Especially if there's some ambience mixed in.
The crowd at Hampton came alive.
Energy connected everyone in that building and it was a spaceship to another place.
A really really cool place.

I think an exploration into the band's connection with Hampton would be illuminating.

Maybe it's because it's where they'd kick off Spring Tour, or a show somebody saw there, or they liked the hotel they stayed at.

Whatever it was things happened there, powerful things.

I think it has something to do with the crowd.

I've never been a part of a crowd like the one during the 3 nights I spent there, we made that place take flight. You could actually see the energy zooming around, connecting us, uniting us, lifting us up, making us scream out. It was a party the likes of which I've searched for, but have never quite found again.

"It" was, in fact, what I'd set out looking for in the first place and had always hoped to find.
"It" was at Hampton.

I wasn't there in '89 but of course these shows are legend.
There's a certain edge to the band when they're on at Hampton, you can hear it on night 1.
I'm looking forward to night 2.
Fun stuff

Cool story Jim thanks for sharing.
It totally did look like a spaceship.
And that puppy could fly!

Happy Friday, hope it's a silky silky crazy crazy night for you all!

EDIT: PS - 10/9/82 = Good Call! Glad you mentioned it.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 10:27

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Y’all have covered much of the mystique and vibe of that magical place! I’ll add my two shillings later as I have to get some stuff done, but yeah, shows like these are why my mind gets blown by folks who write them off, my favorite being “there’s nothing worth listening to after 78”....to each their own I guess.....10/8, like DV said, doesn’t have quite the bling as 10/9 but “it’s no slouch” amen brother!
In some ways overall it might be better? Are one of these the best show of the tour???, not sure, it’s hard to not be biased after such an experience, (came out feeling like I’d been mildly dosed! just from the energy etc)..but I’ve kinda felt maybe Nightfall of Diamonds is a touch above overall? And there’s still so many other great shows on this tour that are up there, like Philly anyone? Going to finally take the Pepsi/BobT challenge and do this whole tour since there’s several shows I’ve not heard yet and really want to go in order and do so...been loving that approach as it’s fascinating following the changes and nuances.
Gotta believe that we’ll get more or hopefully most of this tour someday, multitracks of great shows, need I say more!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 11:57

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38 years ago today I was at the Frost seeing the Dead, it was my favorite show that I saw there, they played a lot of good shows there. 10/9 & 10/10/ 82 would make a nice release together. We all dosed and got really high. One of my top 3 Dead shows I attended.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 14:00

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You are correct sir.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 14:32

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Dope!
Everybody Say Primate!
Silence...
Say What?
Everybody Say What!
What!
Hey, that was good, that was good.
Are we all here together...

I'm gonna go listen to #3

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 15:24

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It's been great reading all these Hampton memories. I saw three Hampton shows (my favorite was 4/14/84). I've always avoided these Warlocks shows. I guess I figured they were probably overhyped and overrated, because of the surprise billing and the breakouts. Maybe I was a little jealous I missed these shows! :o I see now they stand on their own as great shows. They seem grittier and less polished than Spring 90, in a good way. Right now, I'm preferring them to Spring 90!

I expect I'll be wallowing in these shows all weekend and I also still have Modesto '69 on tap. And maybe some others y'all come up with. An '82 Frost audience sounds pretty cool!

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 15:33

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10/9/82 Frost Audience is finished.... the second set rocks... going to listen to 10/9/77 McNichols which I don't think I have played in at least 25 years.... I do remember the Sugaree and the Scarlet Fire..... For some reason i tend to skip over the early 1977 October tour after the Paramount shows.... I wonder why......Have a good weekend everyone.. Bob t

Love the tickets. Good stuff.
I have had an absolute blast with the Pick of the Day, since this all started in I think March. My god, just thought this would be a few months.
Anyway, listening to the shows and then hearing from this great group. You all make my day. Thank you!

And yes Oroborous, fall 89, so much to offer. Give us some more.

At some point I would love to see them release some Shoreline shows. East coast is great, but there are so many Shoreline shows.

And where is Bolo?? Who got this started?? Thank you.

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 10/09/2020 - 23:04

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Wow that Playin' through Space sure went down smooth - and then there's another half hour of magic! Awesome show. The Veneta of the late 80's?!?! Sounds right to me. Now I need to revisit the 10/26 Miami show, another one I've neglected.

Yes, thanks to bolo for the great "pick of the day" idea. So here we are 6 months later and still locked down, more or less, with no clear light at the end of the tunnel. We may as well try to keep this ball rolling!