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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #841
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    Repetitive, Sort of..

    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    RE: repetition

    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Bickershaw again

    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Repetition

    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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    Where’s Waldo

    Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
    That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
    Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?

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    I suspect that he is in the outback freeing his mind and prepping for the Fall equinox.

    Or maybe he went to Burning Man and is still stuck in the mud.

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    Motherjumpers!

    #Freethereels!

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    Right..

    Just as we are about to poke through the concrete of the basement 6 floors under the vault.. they find us. Coincidence? Certainly not!

    Help, We're Being Repressed!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 09:02

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DV - Yes sir, them Port Chester Multi-Tracks are the bomb!

Slow Dog Noodle requested 3/14/81 audience recording by Barry Glassberg.

So it would appear that '81 is in the air.

Good year that '81.

listening to the 2/18/71 DS>>Rat>>DS, 11/11/73 disc 3, and the second set of 10/19/73....I think it’s become a grounded vindaloop?
Wanna try that 81 I f I cou ld j u st br e a k f r ee!

EDIT: Barry Glassberg? Isn’t that Barry from Sundance Books still located in downtown Geneseo NY?
Used to get our tapes from Barry and Fred way BITD! Good people!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 11/14/2020 - 10:45

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OB: That's a good question!
Unfortunately, I'm afraid I don't know the answer.
Anybody on here got the scoop?

I do know that Barry is in the class of "legendary tapers" and is often mentioned along with Jerry Moore and Rob Bertrando. So yeah, top of the class.

One thing I did find out about Barry Glassberg today is:
He made a fuckin' excellent recording of the Grateful Dead at Hartford Civic Center on 3/14/81!
Damn, this sounds good.
And the Sugaree just slayed me.

Nice pick Slow Dog Noodle!

I like the direction of the discussion on Anniversaries today ICECRMCNKD
11/15/71 & 11/15/72 look like they have my name on em.

I'ma gonna dust these two gems off and shine them up for the old ear holes.

Hot Dog!

I mean, Slow Dog...
Noodle.
Dug the 3/14/81 show, thanks for the pick.
That lead into Stella Blue where Jerry visits Bach's Jesu, joy of man's desiring is dreamy.
And great recording, I was glad to see that was indeed the recording that I had in my collection.
Along with the Set 2 SBD.

Need to check out the 3/12/81 Playing In The Band today.. I started it last night but crashed.
So that's next up after this Bucket > Sugaree from another era and then on to the Anniversary shows!

Alright, good times.
Hope all are well and enjoying some good tunes.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/15/2020 - 08:40

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We ONLY listen to shows with a Cumberland. (kidding of course)

Last night I finally finished my listen to Winterland '73. Holy sunshine barrels Batman, that run is fantastic. I have not listened to it in sequence, note for note probably since it came out.

Two To Lay Me Down's (does the 2nd get the nod?), the Big Rivers are some of the finest played, the PITB from 11/9 has already garnered several accolades on this thread, Row Jimmy, China>Riders, all some of the best versions from the year. The second sets of 11/10 and 11/11 are other worldly. But how about those three Weather Report Suites? Flawless and emotive, spectacular. But those two second set jams are really the special sauce that holds this run together. The Dark Star>Eyes is simply jaw dropping and the recordings?

What a classic.

I have officially given up on getting my Dave's Picks 36 any time soon, and wouldn't you know it.. some kind soul gave me at the least music to get me through. I just listened to those two shows note for note too.. perhaps I will revisit the 36 thread while it's all still fresh.

Sorry for being so late to the party.

Wait.. I just realized Cumberland Blues was not played at all in the Winterland 73 run. They played it the next show in San Diego on the 14th. Forget about everything I wrote above.. Winterland 73 sucks and is over rated, plus it has no Cumberland. You believers drank too much of the kool aid and need a strong dose of reality, most importantly get off my grass hippies. And get some haircuts. Jeeze.. damned draft dodgers and rope smokers.

Edit: Took a quickie look at 11/15/87, the setlist is no slouch plus it's got a scarlet fire, which suits my mood today. Will at least give it a peek later.

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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Sun, 11/15/2020 - 13:30

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So into this right now. The Winterland 73 box, the 30 Trips show, Dave's 5 , Denver Road Trips. Might not get to anything else this month and that's okay.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 11/15/2020 - 14:26

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Texas Christian University, I listened to that one last night.... They put some good tunes on this one!!! Favorite thing about the Road Trips series were those Bonus Discs!!! have a good night all. bob t

I just typed a post and it disappeared when I did reCRAPTCHA pictures (the quiz was boats, set up in a pattern that wouldn’t win tic-tac-toe), but before I hit save.

Must be an auto-delete software bug that happens with boats.

Anyway, the lost post was about how awesome 11-15-71 is!

Some of those were really good - 2/14/68, 6/16 and 6/18 74 and this one I have just listened to-5/23/69-accompanied by 5/24/69 are all top drawer. Incomplete shows, some of them, but great cds never the less. Weird numbering-this 69 one is Volume 4 No 1,and they were so tightly packed I needed a knife to get the cds out of the sleeve-but apart from that..
5/15/70 - another good one.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 04:25

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..you hit the best of the best Dave. Sixtus would likely provide a little cheer for the June 76 show (4.5? I think the last one), but your spot on for the best road trips in my humble opinion.

To my ears this is the period Jeffrey Norman perfected his craft.. there are a few where the sound was really starting to get good and seem, at least to me, to be a step above the Dick's Picks series.

I think most know I am a big fan of the Big Rock Pow Wow shows and 2/14/68 might be one of the best shows performed. Sacred grounds.. oh, and that bonus disc from the 8-track recordings from the PNW in the winter of '68. Holy sweet drops of liquid batman. Wowwow stuff.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 06:22

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Some kind of energy vortex around the date 11/15.
Both 11/15/71 & 11/15/72 are crazy good, and intense.
Listen to the Dark Star > El Paso > Dark Star on 11/15/71 & the PITB on 11/15/72 back to back.
It's heady & shreddy!

Worth the trip!

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 08:23

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I've really been enjoying the '72 and '73 stuff. '73 Winterland is one of my top 3 releases. Love that one.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 10:03

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The 73 run has been great. Can't get enough of it. More to come.

Decided to mix it up and go with 6/14/76 today. This box is so good.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 16:31

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Wichita 11/17/72 or Pauley Pavilion 11/17/73......... tomorrow anniversary shows. Both insanely good and I like them both just as much.. Trading Places quote by the way.... Bob t

I'd vote Wichita. It's one of those shows with cursed listens for me.. every time I put it on a lit firecracker lands in my lap or a car drives through the living room window. ..but I know I will like if the universe will just give me one good listen.

Or both. Pauley has gotten my undivided attention before.. Love that show.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 18:43

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Wichita

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 19:53

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Let's do them both. I know I will need two days however to get through both of these fantastic shows.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 11/16/2020 - 20:04

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....Los Angeles......photo finish though. Me & My Uncle, Here Comes Sunshine opener tipped the scale.
I Voted.

I’ll start with 72 and then follow up with 73...not sure I’ll get it all in today, but that’s ok...like money in the bank!
Was going to finally try and get jiggy with PNW 73, like Jim with Wichita, haven’t had the right cosmic alignment with that box yet. Side affect of obtaining it whilst trying to cope with major life issues that year.
Going to try and build a farmhouse bed this week so I’ll need many hours of top notch tunage!
Onward!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 11/17/2020 - 13:36

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Getting ramped up for this one.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 11/17/2020 - 18:27

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Totally hitting the spot!

I started 11-17-73 in the car this morning and got several songs into it today.

Got home and started up 11-17-72.......
Worked like a charm......

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 11/17/2020 - 19:15

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.....BT Wind is winding down in Vegas.
Grate show.

Thoroughly enjoyed Wichita last night, am onto the bonus material and fully plan on plowing into Albuquerque, Dave's Picks 26 and Los Angeles, Dave's Picks 5 later today.

The show was a tight little bundle of fun. I think subconsciously this show was always in the shadow of the Europe 72 box. Around and Around is the only song they did not play on that tour. Still, tight, explosive at times.. a good show that I finally got a listen to after all these years.

Years ago when I first visited Tuscon, I grabbed one of my tapes w/ a Jack Straw (the opener I think) and plugged it in hoping to get that line as I approached. It probably wasn't exact, but about half a minute from the city limits, at high volume, a much younger and smarter JimInMD heard the line Half a mile from Tucson, By the morning light. I couldn't resist. What a great song.

Wow, this late year '72 is ringing my bell.
Good to see all you all jumping on that train throughout the day.
BIG Other One yesterday with all kindsa tasty stuff around it and after it.
Boy Oh Boy!

Think I'm gonna have to keep this party rolling down the track...
Next stop 11/18/72, woot woot, all aboard!

BTW: Just wrapping up Tom Davis's book, Thirty-Nine Years of Short Term Memory Loss, read the Hepburn heights chapter last night. You all read that one?
WALSTIB

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 11/18/2020 - 06:58

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I can squeeze that in. A hot one and one of my favorite all time PITB's. Holy fractal meltdowns batman..

It appears we are on a roll. I think BobT kicked all this off a week or two ago. The wheel is turning..

They released the usable/good parts as part of record store day and later as a CD. That's what I am using.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 11/18/2020 - 11:26

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Dooaah.
Did manage to background listen the 72 yesterday. Overall impression was how fast it seemed for the era?
And of course that awesome other one raised it’s beautiful ugly head above the noise din in my brain and made quite an impression! If I ever finally get to what I was gonna do today, work in the garage, I’ll prolly fire up 11/17/73 and/or some of that PNW. So as the mad hatter would say “I’m late”...

If that Playing In The Band from 11/18 doesn't get you playing air guitar, not sure what will.
Awesome!

Been spending some time bouncing between the 11/15 & 11/18 versions and just going places.
Throwing in The Other One from 11/17 to shake things up.
I see a playlist brewing.

Gotta go back for more, Dark Star this time > 11/19/72 is gonna get a spin.
FWIW, it's pretty safe to say that if you saw the Grateful Dead in November between '67-73 you got your mind blown.
At least from what I'm hearing. Damn!
(I like the '65 & '66 we got too, but I'm a head.)

Alright, gonna finish this TIFTOO > Main Ten 30 DOTD treat and hit up 11/19 later on down the line.

Even now, November is a good Month for Dead.

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Submitted by wave-that-flag on Thu, 11/19/2020 - 10:23

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Hofheinz—very nice. Great Box of Rain, Tomorrow is Forever, tasty Dark Star. Great show to spend time with!

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 11/19/2020 - 12:20

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I am in!!!! I know it will never happen because its not there but how cool would a 72 Texas Box be!!! 5 shows 4 cities!!! Come back to the vault please 11/19/72!!!! Bob t

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 11/19/2020 - 15:30

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First time listening to 11/19/72. Bird Song 72 bliss. Dark Star with completely unique jam elements, into proto 73 weather report suite into Mississippi 1/2 Step. Was great to hear.
“Everybody polka!”
Final Apollo (17) mission to the moon lift off 12/7/72, a couple weeks later.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 11/19/2020 - 19:55

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Hello all. I have really enjoyed our 72& 73 run. I know there is also the Denver anniversary show also from 11/20/73... Set II of 11/20/78 is the most unique second set of that year.... Jam>Drums>Jam>Jack-A-Roe.. Playin>Shakedown Street>If I had the World to Give>Playing>Around... Last World to Give, first Jack-A-Roe Since June 77 Winterland...
From what I have read, Mr. Weir was getting sick, and didn't come out until Playin, and supposedly left again until Playin Reprise... Some audience patches here and there for the Jam..... but I really really like the second set. Thanks
everyone.... Bob t

I want to check that show out tomorrow Bob t. Thanks for the pick. I will recommend 11/21/73 RT4. 3 for Saturday.

Yes, the 72/73 week has been fun. So much great music. We definitely need more fall 72. Is it two releases so far, Dick's 36 and Dave's 11. Bear did a great job on these recordings.

I have never listened to Dave's 5 so close to Winterland 73 before. To my ears, Pauly Pavilion sounds a tick better than Winterland 73. Not sure why. So much great music, we are lucky.

Unrelated, I would love to see them give us some sort of December release, not going to happen, but, I think people would love to have another release at the end of each year.

Stay well folks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/20/2020 - 04:51

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Right on dvikes. The Dave's Picks 36 new car smell is beginning fade. We need a new release. A sweet one-off like To Terrapin was, something off the radar and released as a single CD that comes as a complete surprise.

There are some uneven parts on my source for 11/20/78 (The Miller) and some patches, but it settles into a decent sound for most of the show. Plus it's got a '78 Peggy-O.

Keep the picks coming all, we are on a roll.. Us mere mortals keeping up as best we can, although I am beginning to get a bit worried about Brewer.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 11/20/2020 - 06:19

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Wow 11/19/72 is a stunner.
Metaphorically speaking, it was fun to see so many of your smiling faces at the show!

Top notch Playing In The Bands happening all month. This one is killer diller, and like Strider mentioned that Bird Song definitely takes flight. Great Box and the list goes on and that's only Set 1.

But surprise surprise surprise (as they say in Mayberry) the cherry on top is.... wait for it:
Dark Star > Weather Report Suite Prelude (infant) > Half-Step

1 word - Phil!!!
Phil just crushes on this, best Phil Bass solo here.

Can't get enough of this November '72 run. It is top notch GD for sure. And agree with Bob T def release worthy stuff on 11/19.. Bob T enlighten me, the reels aren't in the Vault for this show? I think the SBDs are Gan's reel transfers? Doesn't appear that there's anything to patch those reel flips though. So thank goodness we have these transfers, cause they're tasty.

11/15, 17, 18 & 19 just crush! I had to go and listen to 11/12 to see how the run started, but the recording issues definitely hide what appears to be another barn burner so far. I can't remember much about 11/14 & 11/22 and we checked out the tasty bits of 11/13 & 11/26 so that leaves 11/24 unmentioned... I know this about that, the Playing In The Band is a 5 star crusher. So maybe we can jump back in this time machine around 11/24 and fly around the ceiling of Dallas Memorial Auditorium together and check out that party!

Alright, I could go on and on, as I'm want to do, but I'll move along.

Got a little extra time today cause I got the 30 DOTD so quick, on first guess ;)

And that brings us to.. one of my Favorite shows:
11/20/78
Love this Set 2, it's unique, it's strange, it's jammy, and it's great.
All the things I like about this band.
I did not know that story about Bob that's cool insight, def have been curious what was going on at begin of Set 2, but whatever was happening, we benefitted with a fun voyage through wonderland.

This is a cool time of GD to explore, I dig late '78 and early '79, have always been a big fan of NYE '78 and it's epicness. So like any good fiend I went crawling all around the outskirts of that to discover what else was laying around the perimeter. The net spread wider when I realized there were those 2 early '79 Dark Stars lurking around there, and eventually bagged myself a whopper at the Cleveland Music Hall '78.

Hold on to your hats.. and let's get this show started!

Good Stuff.