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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Dennis
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    Make Believe Ballroom

    Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

    Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

  • bob t
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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

  • daverock
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    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

  • The Good Ole G…
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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

  • DeadVikes
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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    in the queue...

  • JimInMD
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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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DV - Yes sir, them Port Chester Multi-Tracks are the bomb!

Slow Dog Noodle requested 3/14/81 audience recording by Barry Glassberg.

So it would appear that '81 is in the air.

Good year that '81.

listening to the 2/18/71 DS>>Rat>>DS, 11/11/73 disc 3, and the second set of 10/19/73....I think it’s become a grounded vindaloop?
Wanna try that 81 I f I cou ld j u st br e a k f r ee!

EDIT: Barry Glassberg? Isn’t that Barry from Sundance Books still located in downtown Geneseo NY?
Used to get our tapes from Barry and Fred way BITD! Good people!

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OB: That's a good question!
Unfortunately, I'm afraid I don't know the answer.
Anybody on here got the scoop?

I do know that Barry is in the class of "legendary tapers" and is often mentioned along with Jerry Moore and Rob Bertrando. So yeah, top of the class.

One thing I did find out about Barry Glassberg today is:
He made a fuckin' excellent recording of the Grateful Dead at Hartford Civic Center on 3/14/81!
Damn, this sounds good.
And the Sugaree just slayed me.

Nice pick Slow Dog Noodle!

I like the direction of the discussion on Anniversaries today ICECRMCNKD
11/15/71 & 11/15/72 look like they have my name on em.

I'ma gonna dust these two gems off and shine them up for the old ear holes.

Hot Dog!

I mean, Slow Dog...
Noodle.
Dug the 3/14/81 show, thanks for the pick.
That lead into Stella Blue where Jerry visits Bach's Jesu, joy of man's desiring is dreamy.
And great recording, I was glad to see that was indeed the recording that I had in my collection.
Along with the Set 2 SBD.

Need to check out the 3/12/81 Playing In The Band today.. I started it last night but crashed.
So that's next up after this Bucket > Sugaree from another era and then on to the Anniversary shows!

Alright, good times.
Hope all are well and enjoying some good tunes.

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We ONLY listen to shows with a Cumberland. (kidding of course)

Last night I finally finished my listen to Winterland '73. Holy sunshine barrels Batman, that run is fantastic. I have not listened to it in sequence, note for note probably since it came out.

Two To Lay Me Down's (does the 2nd get the nod?), the Big Rivers are some of the finest played, the PITB from 11/9 has already garnered several accolades on this thread, Row Jimmy, China>Riders, all some of the best versions from the year. The second sets of 11/10 and 11/11 are other worldly. But how about those three Weather Report Suites? Flawless and emotive, spectacular. But those two second set jams are really the special sauce that holds this run together. The Dark Star>Eyes is simply jaw dropping and the recordings?

What a classic.

I have officially given up on getting my Dave's Picks 36 any time soon, and wouldn't you know it.. some kind soul gave me at the least music to get me through. I just listened to those two shows note for note too.. perhaps I will revisit the 36 thread while it's all still fresh.

Sorry for being so late to the party.

Wait.. I just realized Cumberland Blues was not played at all in the Winterland 73 run. They played it the next show in San Diego on the 14th. Forget about everything I wrote above.. Winterland 73 sucks and is over rated, plus it has no Cumberland. You believers drank too much of the kool aid and need a strong dose of reality, most importantly get off my grass hippies. And get some haircuts. Jeeze.. damned draft dodgers and rope smokers.

Edit: Took a quickie look at 11/15/87, the setlist is no slouch plus it's got a scarlet fire, which suits my mood today. Will at least give it a peek later.

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So into this right now. The Winterland 73 box, the 30 Trips show, Dave's 5 , Denver Road Trips. Might not get to anything else this month and that's okay.

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Texas Christian University, I listened to that one last night.... They put some good tunes on this one!!! Favorite thing about the Road Trips series were those Bonus Discs!!! have a good night all. bob t

I just typed a post and it disappeared when I did reCRAPTCHA pictures (the quiz was boats, set up in a pattern that wouldn’t win tic-tac-toe), but before I hit save.

Must be an auto-delete software bug that happens with boats.

Anyway, the lost post was about how awesome 11-15-71 is!

Some of those were really good - 2/14/68, 6/16 and 6/18 74 and this one I have just listened to-5/23/69-accompanied by 5/24/69 are all top drawer. Incomplete shows, some of them, but great cds never the less. Weird numbering-this 69 one is Volume 4 No 1,and they were so tightly packed I needed a knife to get the cds out of the sleeve-but apart from that..
5/15/70 - another good one.

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..you hit the best of the best Dave. Sixtus would likely provide a little cheer for the June 76 show (4.5? I think the last one), but your spot on for the best road trips in my humble opinion.

To my ears this is the period Jeffrey Norman perfected his craft.. there are a few where the sound was really starting to get good and seem, at least to me, to be a step above the Dick's Picks series.

I think most know I am a big fan of the Big Rock Pow Wow shows and 2/14/68 might be one of the best shows performed. Sacred grounds.. oh, and that bonus disc from the 8-track recordings from the PNW in the winter of '68. Holy sweet drops of liquid batman. Wowwow stuff.

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Some kind of energy vortex around the date 11/15.
Both 11/15/71 & 11/15/72 are crazy good, and intense.
Listen to the Dark Star > El Paso > Dark Star on 11/15/71 & the PITB on 11/15/72 back to back.
It's heady & shreddy!

Worth the trip!

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I've really been enjoying the '72 and '73 stuff. '73 Winterland is one of my top 3 releases. Love that one.

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The 73 run has been great. Can't get enough of it. More to come.

Decided to mix it up and go with 6/14/76 today. This box is so good.

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Wichita 11/17/72 or Pauley Pavilion 11/17/73......... tomorrow anniversary shows. Both insanely good and I like them both just as much.. Trading Places quote by the way.... Bob t

I'd vote Wichita. It's one of those shows with cursed listens for me.. every time I put it on a lit firecracker lands in my lap or a car drives through the living room window. ..but I know I will like if the universe will just give me one good listen.

Or both. Pauley has gotten my undivided attention before.. Love that show.

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Wichita

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Let's do them both. I know I will need two days however to get through both of these fantastic shows.

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....Los Angeles......photo finish though. Me & My Uncle, Here Comes Sunshine opener tipped the scale.
I Voted.

I’ll start with 72 and then follow up with 73...not sure I’ll get it all in today, but that’s ok...like money in the bank!
Was going to finally try and get jiggy with PNW 73, like Jim with Wichita, haven’t had the right cosmic alignment with that box yet. Side affect of obtaining it whilst trying to cope with major life issues that year.
Going to try and build a farmhouse bed this week so I’ll need many hours of top notch tunage!
Onward!

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Getting ramped up for this one.

Totally hitting the spot!

I started 11-17-73 in the car this morning and got several songs into it today.

Got home and started up 11-17-72.......
Worked like a charm......

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.....BT Wind is winding down in Vegas.
Grate show.

Thoroughly enjoyed Wichita last night, am onto the bonus material and fully plan on plowing into Albuquerque, Dave's Picks 26 and Los Angeles, Dave's Picks 5 later today.

The show was a tight little bundle of fun. I think subconsciously this show was always in the shadow of the Europe 72 box. Around and Around is the only song they did not play on that tour. Still, tight, explosive at times.. a good show that I finally got a listen to after all these years.

Years ago when I first visited Tuscon, I grabbed one of my tapes w/ a Jack Straw (the opener I think) and plugged it in hoping to get that line as I approached. It probably wasn't exact, but about half a minute from the city limits, at high volume, a much younger and smarter JimInMD heard the line Half a mile from Tucson, By the morning light. I couldn't resist. What a great song.

Wow, this late year '72 is ringing my bell.
Good to see all you all jumping on that train throughout the day.
BIG Other One yesterday with all kindsa tasty stuff around it and after it.
Boy Oh Boy!

Think I'm gonna have to keep this party rolling down the track...
Next stop 11/18/72, woot woot, all aboard!

BTW: Just wrapping up Tom Davis's book, Thirty-Nine Years of Short Term Memory Loss, read the Hepburn heights chapter last night. You all read that one?
WALSTIB

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I can squeeze that in. A hot one and one of my favorite all time PITB's. Holy fractal meltdowns batman..

It appears we are on a roll. I think BobT kicked all this off a week or two ago. The wheel is turning..

They released the usable/good parts as part of record store day and later as a CD. That's what I am using.

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Dooaah.
Did manage to background listen the 72 yesterday. Overall impression was how fast it seemed for the era?
And of course that awesome other one raised it’s beautiful ugly head above the noise din in my brain and made quite an impression! If I ever finally get to what I was gonna do today, work in the garage, I’ll prolly fire up 11/17/73 and/or some of that PNW. So as the mad hatter would say “I’m late”...

If that Playing In The Band from 11/18 doesn't get you playing air guitar, not sure what will.
Awesome!

Been spending some time bouncing between the 11/15 & 11/18 versions and just going places.
Throwing in The Other One from 11/17 to shake things up.
I see a playlist brewing.

Gotta go back for more, Dark Star this time > 11/19/72 is gonna get a spin.
FWIW, it's pretty safe to say that if you saw the Grateful Dead in November between '67-73 you got your mind blown.
At least from what I'm hearing. Damn!
(I like the '65 & '66 we got too, but I'm a head.)

Alright, gonna finish this TIFTOO > Main Ten 30 DOTD treat and hit up 11/19 later on down the line.

Even now, November is a good Month for Dead.

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Hofheinz—very nice. Great Box of Rain, Tomorrow is Forever, tasty Dark Star. Great show to spend time with!

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I am in!!!! I know it will never happen because its not there but how cool would a 72 Texas Box be!!! 5 shows 4 cities!!! Come back to the vault please 11/19/72!!!! Bob t

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First time listening to 11/19/72. Bird Song 72 bliss. Dark Star with completely unique jam elements, into proto 73 weather report suite into Mississippi 1/2 Step. Was great to hear.
“Everybody polka!”
Final Apollo (17) mission to the moon lift off 12/7/72, a couple weeks later.

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Hello all. I have really enjoyed our 72& 73 run. I know there is also the Denver anniversary show also from 11/20/73... Set II of 11/20/78 is the most unique second set of that year.... Jam>Drums>Jam>Jack-A-Roe.. Playin>Shakedown Street>If I had the World to Give>Playing>Around... Last World to Give, first Jack-A-Roe Since June 77 Winterland...
From what I have read, Mr. Weir was getting sick, and didn't come out until Playin, and supposedly left again until Playin Reprise... Some audience patches here and there for the Jam..... but I really really like the second set. Thanks
everyone.... Bob t

I want to check that show out tomorrow Bob t. Thanks for the pick. I will recommend 11/21/73 RT4. 3 for Saturday.

Yes, the 72/73 week has been fun. So much great music. We definitely need more fall 72. Is it two releases so far, Dick's 36 and Dave's 11. Bear did a great job on these recordings.

I have never listened to Dave's 5 so close to Winterland 73 before. To my ears, Pauly Pavilion sounds a tick better than Winterland 73. Not sure why. So much great music, we are lucky.

Unrelated, I would love to see them give us some sort of December release, not going to happen, but, I think people would love to have another release at the end of each year.

Stay well folks.

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Right on dvikes. The Dave's Picks 36 new car smell is beginning fade. We need a new release. A sweet one-off like To Terrapin was, something off the radar and released as a single CD that comes as a complete surprise.

There are some uneven parts on my source for 11/20/78 (The Miller) and some patches, but it settles into a decent sound for most of the show. Plus it's got a '78 Peggy-O.

Keep the picks coming all, we are on a roll.. Us mere mortals keeping up as best we can, although I am beginning to get a bit worried about Brewer.

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Wow 11/19/72 is a stunner.
Metaphorically speaking, it was fun to see so many of your smiling faces at the show!

Top notch Playing In The Bands happening all month. This one is killer diller, and like Strider mentioned that Bird Song definitely takes flight. Great Box and the list goes on and that's only Set 1.

But surprise surprise surprise (as they say in Mayberry) the cherry on top is.... wait for it:
Dark Star > Weather Report Suite Prelude (infant) > Half-Step

1 word - Phil!!!
Phil just crushes on this, best Phil Bass solo here.

Can't get enough of this November '72 run. It is top notch GD for sure. And agree with Bob T def release worthy stuff on 11/19.. Bob T enlighten me, the reels aren't in the Vault for this show? I think the SBDs are Gan's reel transfers? Doesn't appear that there's anything to patch those reel flips though. So thank goodness we have these transfers, cause they're tasty.

11/15, 17, 18 & 19 just crush! I had to go and listen to 11/12 to see how the run started, but the recording issues definitely hide what appears to be another barn burner so far. I can't remember much about 11/14 & 11/22 and we checked out the tasty bits of 11/13 & 11/26 so that leaves 11/24 unmentioned... I know this about that, the Playing In The Band is a 5 star crusher. So maybe we can jump back in this time machine around 11/24 and fly around the ceiling of Dallas Memorial Auditorium together and check out that party!

Alright, I could go on and on, as I'm want to do, but I'll move along.

Got a little extra time today cause I got the 30 DOTD so quick, on first guess ;)

And that brings us to.. one of my Favorite shows:
11/20/78
Love this Set 2, it's unique, it's strange, it's jammy, and it's great.
All the things I like about this band.
I did not know that story about Bob that's cool insight, def have been curious what was going on at begin of Set 2, but whatever was happening, we benefitted with a fun voyage through wonderland.

This is a cool time of GD to explore, I dig late '78 and early '79, have always been a big fan of NYE '78 and it's epicness. So like any good fiend I went crawling all around the outskirts of that to discover what else was laying around the perimeter. The net spread wider when I realized there were those 2 early '79 Dark Stars lurking around there, and eventually bagged myself a whopper at the Cleveland Music Hall '78.

Hold on to your hats.. and let's get this show started!

Good Stuff.