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    "And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

    We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #971
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    Crowd noise unbearable and unnecessary

    Just listened to a few tracks on SiriusXM, Dave's usual preview special. This music is great and special as promised for the songs he presents however they went overboard with adding in fake crowd sounds since it came from a soundboard. Its overbearing, unnecessary, clearly unauthentic and nonstop. Its like listening to an old TV sitcom again once you've gotten used to no phony soundtrack. Please remove else I won't buy it. You've been warned. Thank you.

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    I can find something I dig in every era of the Dead's music, every year there is something they played I can find I enjoyed..

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    So predictable you can set your watch to it > New Release, then a flood of narcissism.

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    I always enjoy reading critical assessments of the band on here from people who obviously know what they are talking about. People who all think the same way - uniformity in any field always turns me off. Indiscriminate positivity does, too. It just doesn't ring true for me. Its quite patronising to label others as "naysayers" or "haters" if they don't like something connected to The Dead.
    Recent posts by Doc and Dark Star have surely been well worth reading. Whether you agree with the sentiments expressed in them is beside the point.

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    Well stated elbee and Forensic Doc

    you summed up my feelings on it. What on earth would motivate me to listen to a Bird Song that sounds like a cover band doing Bird Song?

    Hendrix freak it sounds like it's ok to dump on it as long as there is a description of the dump, yes? Something subtantative I think you said? The Bird Song melody in the 80s and 90s ends on a completely different note. Someone mentioned this a while back. You go to the 70s and Jerry ends on a high note and Bobby ends on low note. Jerry is typically higher in the mix so that's what you hear out of the melody, and it works to much better musical affect than the whole band ending on the low note which sounds yuckers compared to the 70s where Bobby played the same phrase lower to fill out the sound and compliment the main melody Jerry was playing. Jerry still sings the end of those verses on a high note, so it's not even like they're doing it to compensate for aging voices which get lower over time. Everytime I listen to an 80s bird song it's like the melody ends on a discordant note.

    How's this for substance. Brent hasn't the foggiest idea how to fill musical space in about 50% of the songs he plays. He sounds great as a chord guy which is great for Hammond playing, but as soon as you put him in front of the Fisher Price, he's just playing notes all over the place, as if he can only hear Phil, Billy, and Mickey. No regard to what the guitar players are doing. When Brent is off the Hammond, timing is good, musical coherence and improv note playing is way off. Did I notice this at the shows? Not really. I always got as close to Jerry as I could and the PA mix the crowd hears at the show is always much better than what ended up released in the 80s. I could barely hear Brent at the shows. I would much rather have a Bruce Vince keyboard combo atmospheric and ethereal. But even the Hammond was overplayed by Brent. Go listen to Pigpen in the WMD Port Chester show from '71. Did Brent have more energy and flexibility on the Hammond than Pigpen? Absolutely. Was it necessary? I guess so since the guitars weren't filling in the sound as they once did. Was it a better version of the band? Not even close. Pigpen knew exactly when to play and exactly when to keep his hands off the damn keyboard. Can hardly fault Brent for that when it came to the Hammond because nobody else was really pulling their weight full time instrumentally by 1987. It came and went throughout most shows. But this is really the whole point why there are a lot of people who don't care for later era Dead.

    There's your substatitive Hendrix freak. I wasn't going to post anything at all but just tell me I don't have a right to and I would be happy to provide an earful every time. Have some couth. Your analogy was cringe worthy, as if you were the one exhibiting the show in the middle of the room. Stick to your grease calls and concert stories. Those are good posts.

    Note to Space Brother - I am very happy for you. Regardless of my taste in 80s Dead, I know how much you love this. It's been a long wait for you, enjoy this one, enjoy the last one, enjoy the Giants Stadium box, and enjoy the RFK mini box.

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    I used to have 3/31/87 via WMMR-FM broadcast> VHS-HiFi> cassette (and VHS-HiFi> CD-R) and 4/7/87 via WNEW-FM broadcast> VHS-HiFi> cassette (and VHS-HiFi> CD-R). These shows are not excellent but very good shows in my humble opinion and I had pre-show and post-show DJ chatter on both recordings and on the 4/7 recording had commercials for Ben & Jerry's and a "Club Dead" (on 2nd Ave. in NYC, if I recall correctly). But for the life of me, I cannot find any of the recordings - original VHS or cassette or CD-R clones. Over the years, I heard that the Hartford shows were much better than the 3/31 & 4/7 shows. Replacing good for better ones, I guess.

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    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BOB!

    Happy birthday, Bob Weir!
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    Hey rockers!

    Been a subscriber since day one and will continue to do so. We've always had to take the lesser with the greater, that's not a new phenomenon, here and in life itself...........

    Having a critical opinion is not being negative. Blind fandom is not a good thing. When somebody says, “Doc I can’t really dig 1971”, I get it (which I do, and accept), but my comeback isn’t “Man, stop being so negative”. Truth be told, as much as I love 1971 shows, not every one of THOSE is worthy of release……

    I’m not an armchair sniper. People here know who I am, what I am, where I am, what I do, and what I believe in. Paid my dues and saw my fair share of shows (including some that WERE clearly “bad”), but not an expert. Have never pretended to be, just another guy who loves the music. Ungracious? Certainly not, thankful for all the hard work TPTB put into all this. Selfish? I don’t know, ask the hundreds of people I’ve spread thousands of shows to. Before people throw stones, look in the mirror first. Do I poke fun at DL, you bet, but I don’t attack people who disagree with my opinions about shows.

    Some Grateful Dead shows are black and white, but yes most are varying shades of gray. Did I say those Hartford shows sucked? Absolutely not. On the other hand, I didn’t say---and never will---that they’re classic either. What I DID do was to question the selection itself. And from what folks have communicated to me in private, I’m not the only one who feels that way. But from what I’ve seen and heard, I’m one of the few who dares to question it in public.

    Which leads me to believe---and I may be wrong----that many folks here just don’t like contrary opinions about shows. Folks, not every Dead show was sweetness and light. Yes, I’m opinionated about the Dead and won’t apologize for that. And yes, I will continue to poke the bear when and where I see fit……………

    Rock on rockers,

    Doc
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    Not sure if this has already been mentioned but now that a 4-disc show is possible for this series for the first time, maybe that opens the door to shows like 5/26/73 and 6/10/73 being officially released? Would not complain one bit...

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    Jerry back on the East Toast, did not attend and have never listened to Hartford 87, but all the shows that year where just high energy a lot of band and crowd symbiosis going on. For 87 the MSG run should be released as a box set, just saying. Sun going up and then the sun it going down, shine through my window and my friends they come around............

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"And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 08:42

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I was about 50 feet from that...but like most I didn't know about it until the next day...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 09:28

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Elvis did not appropriate black music, he actually did just what you described as what the Dead did, I'll quote you:
"because they fuse together both styles of Americana music, black heritage and white heritage to make something truly unique." Both the Dead and Elvis borrowed elements of Americana to create their unique blend of music; talking about pre-1956 Elvis, all his Sun sides are unique.
You could argue that the appropriation label would apply more to early 60s Brit bands, who would basically copy vocal phrasings of black singers and note for note solos(Pigpen did the same). Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion, as long as the original artists got more recognition and royalties.
Then there's the Yardbirds appropriating Tiny Bradshaws's Train Kept A Rollin' without crediting him; that's more like theft though.
Anyway, both Jazz and Blues were influenced by western music and western instrumentation since the 1800s. That's a huge subject!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 09:43

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Perhaps, but don't be so quick to judge until you've tasted his turkey mole enchiladas. Maybe worthy of pardon power.

(pulled off some Turkey Enchiladas Verdes a few days ago, they were a big hit as noted by their immediate consumption, the JimInMD house thanks you for the inspiration)

That's how I understand things regarding Elvis.

I agree that the blues covers by Brit bands weren't too hot in the first half of the 60s. One of the great benefits was that they introduced the likes of me to the real McCoy. The Stones -Keith Richards in particular - regularly pointed out where they got their inspiration from in interviews. And there is that famous clip from about 1965 when they introduce Howlin' Wolf on the T.V. programme Shindig!

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 12/06/2020 - 19:31

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Johnny Burnette credited Tiny Bradshaw as writer, so no theft there; the Yardbirds credited themselves when they changed the lyrics and renamed the song Stroll On.
To make this Jerry relevant: both Johnny Burnette and his brother Dorsey were successful songwriters later on, with Dorsey writing the Magnificent Sanctuary Band, covered nicely by JGB.

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 07:21

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...was pointed out to me this morning.

Did you see Bob Dylan sold his catalog for 300 million!?!

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Submitted by direwulf on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 12:29

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LEDDED seems to be the most understanding about much of this. Talking is just that...conversation, but there's some borderline "white fragility" on this board, that is if you think that sociology theory is correct. :) Unless I'm misreading the tone wrong, some of y'all get way to sensitive over conversation. That's why I was saying the GD is a "melting pot" they didn't start it, they melded it all together into their own. Thinking is good and that's all I was mentioning stuff for. That's all well and good but if you ask different people about Elvis they would disagree. To each their own and I guess that's the big debate these days...some people think its a big deal and others not so much. Some people flip out when they see a greasy white upper middle class trustafarian with dreadlocks because its not his culture to claim. Others say chill out and let it ride. Depending on if you are white or black, your personal experiences, income, and social standing the opinions and beliefs you hold on are divided and held dearly. The black friends and people I've talked to in the past don't think too fondly of Elvis, some people say otherwise as he inspired some dance moves. Some feel that once again a white dude is getting major props and social credit for doing something done by others first...see exhibit A (plate stand not included)...https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/c1/7a/f7c17aa0fa52d82c1275383c193b79e…

Black musicians simply were not respected due to their social/cultural status and perceived economic viability for sales, therefore no one cared and no one gave them a chance. It is what it is, but don't deny it, life viewed from another's perspective its just as valid. The reality of the situation is what I'm curious about.

Not trying to piss any one off but there's a reason when you ask people about who their rock n roll gods are, the only black guy usually mentioned on that list is Hendrix. There's definitely something there to be discussed and it's reflective of our society as a whole. GD family and band members have always been more inclusive than their fans are, I've experienced that first hand over 30 years of shows. Though it did tick me off when Jerry went off on rap music during some interview in the 80s or something. That was some close mindedness I did not think I would see from him (maybe the persian made him grumpy that day), not to mention the subversiveness of the rap scene you thought he might get behind.

Nowadays there's rap acts that sample GD music and rhyme over it...so there's that. The best way I can help make the change I want in this country for my kids and their future is to ask people to think more about the hidden histories of our country and not the ones thrown up by companies looking to cash in. I know there is cross pollination and an ouroboros of destruction and recreation as humanity consumes itself and is reborn as society and cultural change. Some people think individuals are a nucleus of human ingenuity while generational geniuses often express that they "know nothing compared to what is possible to know" & "they can only see farther because they stand on the shoulders of giants." One thing I've come to appreciate in my searching for the sources of things, its all one big clusterfuck. It still doesn't stop me from thinking about it nor from trying to find the true source of inspiration. It's too heavy for most people because the tighter and more reassuring package to hold is the belief that Elvis invented rock n roll or is responsible for its popularity. People like simple answers so they find simple answers. It's way more exhausting to continually reinvent one's own ideas or interpretations but it pays off in the long run of life.

Jay Lane (yup from Ratdog) and a bunch of friends put this together...ya'll probably heard about it cause it was all over lots many summers ago at this point. They did a whole album...I think, but its not the easiest thing to come across. Not the most bang up thing ever recorded but it sure was neat to the younger fans...I remember, maybe.

Back to The River (Franklin's Tower sample)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK6x7R4KnHY

Box of Sunshine (Row Jimmy sample)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdTCTDlCYk

Mine had the skin on.. the trick for Mole Verde is 30 min before cooking you toss them in a punch bowl of green kool aid and voila, verde fur. A nice parlor trick.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 13:59

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I'm kinda thinking that #38 will be 9/16/72 with bonus 9/15.

sorry sub's thread seems to be locked or something.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 14:41

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Direwulf-I think most people who listen to rock n' roll would also credit black performers such as Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley and Fats Domino as being foundational rock n roll performers who were contemporaneous with Elvis. It was a music that made as step towards breaking down racial barriers.

You still haven't said which black performers you have heard who sounded like Elvis Presley. The blues tracks he cut sounded nothing like the originals, that I have heard.

In the 60s, a lot of people would point out that some of the best records were made by black performers - and not just Jimi Hendrix. But they weren't necessarily rock n' roll records. I have over 30 cds of material recorded on Stax records alone-but not many of the tracks on them are what I would call rock n' roll-or rock of any sort. Same with Tamla Motown.

And when you consider all the classic jazz records made in the 1950s and 1960s-many more were made by black musicians than white, I would think. Everything by Miles Davis for a start.

1000s of great blues records too, by black artists throughout the 50s and 60s. Way too many to mention, but again, not just Jimi Hendrix.

To credit Elvis Presley and Sam Phillips with their innovative sound, and it surely was innovative, in no way diminishes the achievments of any of the above.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 16:04

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I saw Big Mama Thorton play a couple of times and she was really cool, but I dig the version of Hound Dog that Elvis does way more. As far as Blue Moon of Kentucky goes, I like both versions equally, Bill Monroe's and Elvis's

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 12/07/2020 - 16:20

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Billy the Kid- that must have been something, seeing Big Mama Thornton. That puts T.Rex in the shade.

Another great original and cover was Mystery Train. The original by Junior Parker is great, and the cover by Elvis, which is totally different, is also brilliant.

....and raise my glass to the latest GarciaLive release.
This will stay on my "currently playing" end table for awhile.
Birthday show for me. I turned 3, which is indeed a magic number.
I've been away entertaining my 3 granddaughters that recently visited.
We went to the Adventuredome at Circus Circus. No lines. Rides for daze. Oh yeah. And Lazer Tag.
I feel 3 years younger.

Exceptional. The clip of her at the train station was in the North West of England, not far from where I grew up. I think Muddy Waters and a fewe other blues performes were filmed at the same time and place.
Great the way she used to dress like my grandma but could rock out like Jimi Hendrix.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 07:15

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Direwulf, you did misread the tone of my reply; my point was that Jazz, Blues and Country did not happen in a vacuum and had black and white influences(obviously, not in equal parts.) This has nothing do with "white fragility".
By the way, we forgot Ray Charles as a major rock and roll influence, thanks to his classic Atlantic sides.

Pretty cool Carlo.

Billy.. Will check out Garcia / Grisman at some point today.

Lots to do today, onward.....

Oh, and Senator, looking forward to getting my new Garcia Live hopefully today.. , but the USPS Gods have not been smiling on my lately. It's like the old Music Today warehouse has taken over the postal system. My packages seem to going all over the Eastern US, then sometimes back to distributions centers for a second or third time. It's almost like somebody reprogrammed the automated distribution vector software and added some infinite loops.

Or in the Words of Jerry Garcia, "It's really too weird here, it really is" If I can find one, a free dead sticker to the first person to name the show... if I can't find one (unlikely) I will have tried.

Oh, and Cousins/Direwulf.. a tip of the hat to Ray Charles. I saw him and Fats Domino with my father and brother at a New Orleans JazzFest 20 or so years ago (I dragged them out and paid for flights and hotels).. I know I have told this story here before, but it's cool enough for a redux.. my dad told tales of his life in the 50's. He was the youngest of 11, so bedrooms were often doubled up.. but he lived in the Western suburbs of Baltimore and used to prop up the window and hop out after dark and head down to what are referred to as the seedy sections of Baltimore and see black R&B/Blues acts including Charles and Domino, then get back before dawn and crawl through the window hoping nobody noticed. When I heard this I was floored.. gave me a little source of pride, respect and honor. Perhaps that's where I got it from....

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 07:58

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May the four winds blow you safely home.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 10:23

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Did you catch her at the SF Blues Festival, 78 or so? That was a great day, biggest treat was seeing 40s R&B shouter Roy Brown. Free festival too, right in Golden Gate Park.

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Submitted by wave-that-flag on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 11:02

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Really enjoying Jerry and Merl’s playing from this 5/71 release. The Crosby-penned “The Wall Song” is awesome and much closer spiritually to the earlier PERRO, Crosby demo sessions for his ‘71 solo album. Of course, when the song was officially released with a much different tempo and sound on that first Crosby & Nash album in ‘72, Jerry, Phil and Bill all played on the track.

In any event, GarciaLive 15 smokes and is unlike the later JGB releases sonically. A bit of primal edge from the ‘60’s on this one perhaps. Enjoy the listen!

Dave—mission’ that second box release that usually gets me through this time of the year. 2020’s been a bitch. Let’s all get through this alive. Peace and good health to all Deadheads and loved ones.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 12/08/2020 - 11:04

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Hey Cousins, yeah, I saw her at the bandshell in Golden Gate Park at the S.F. Blues Festival. I also saw her at a Blues Festival on the U.C. Berkeley Campus, I believe in 1974, George Harmonica Smith and Sonny Terry & Brownie Magee were also on the bill. Boy, I sure miss those S.F. Blues Festivals, I went to a lot of them, they were a blast!

Estimated Prophet going into the commercial of the Baltimore Ravens game tonight. My time comin' any day.. don't worry about me no.

The times they are a changin'...

Edit: Got a Lost Sailor in the second half.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Wed, 12/09/2020 - 17:08

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Any cat that can hang with Jerry has got to be just aaaallll right . . .

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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 05:48

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That list of Star Wars future projects instantly made me think of the Garcia Family Provisions merchandising model. 😬

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 06:23

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I hear they are bringing back Sean Connery as the new aged 00bi Wan Kenobi.

Star Wars brand cannabis.
There’s already a Light Saber strain, although I don’t think that Disney is getting any royalties.

Millennium Falcon Sativa, it will make your mind go warp speed.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 16:35

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There's got to be a good star wars weed strain joke here just waiting to be told. Here's hoping V guy has a few up his sleeve. My brain is wracked after a long week of work.

I did take this occasion to listen to 12-11-72. How nice would a 3-show '72 Winterland box set be, a la the '73 one?

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Fri, 12/11/2020 - 17:19

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My Star Wars fandom well full hyperspace with those announcements. Well I won't guarantee that everything Lucasfilm produces will be great, i am still going to be checking them all out. I don't know if any of you watch the Mandalorian. If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend checking it out. I have been really enjoying that show and if even one or two of those new shows are at that level, I will be happy.

....what? Searching now.
Found it. I have twenty bucks.
Edit. I accidentally backed out of the stream and can't figure out how to get back in. Good for 48 hrs though. I'll figure it out.

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