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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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June 29, 2020 - 7:45am

#6681

Thats_Otis

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Warming up the Chocolate Spot...

... sounds kinda dirty when you put it that way, Oro... :)

Rock on!

Peace
June 29, 2020 - 7:09am

#6682

Oroborous

Joined:
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Otis

31, bring it!
Glad we got that Chocolate spot all warmed up for ya!
June 29, 2020 - 6:12am

#6683

Thats_Otis

Joined:
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@ Oroborous, DeadVikes, etc.

Thanks, my man! I think it sounds pretty sweet - especially that Shrine 67 LP release, played LOUD!

Your Hershey story is great! Really wish I would have been around during those times! I would have partied right down in the mud with you!

Not the same, but my first Phish show was at Hershey in 96. We too found a spot directly in front of the soundboard, figuring that it had to sound good there. To this day, my friends and I refer to that area at shows as "The Chocolate Spot."

DeadVikes, everything's a-ok on this end. Thanks for the thoughts!

So, are we on for Dave's 31 today?

Peace
June 28, 2020 - 9:31pm

#6684

DeadVikes

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Otis/Oroborous

Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?
June 28, 2020 - 9:27pm

#6685

Vguy72

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6.28.85 Hershey Park....

....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.
June 28, 2020 - 7:19pm

#6686

wilfredtjones

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June 4, 2007

Hershey

You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)
June 28, 2020 - 5:16pm

#6687

Oroborous

Joined:
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6/28/85

So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!
June 28, 2020 - 4:14pm

#6688

Thats_Otis

Joined:
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@ Bob T and Pick for Monday

Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

Peace
June 28, 2020 - 11:41am

#6689

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Voodoo senile, slight return. 6/27/85, and why 85 Dead is like

Bode Miller...

First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....
June 28, 2020 - 11:14am

#6690

bob t

Joined:
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only time played anniversary show 6/28/76 Chicago Auditorium

If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Salt Palace

Lol, ok, nother story coming...
Yeah this show started out a bit “speedy” lol, but as Jim says bout the time the full SB kicks in so they seem to slid into the zone. Really digging 81 a lot lately.....Dave?

Ok, story. Doing merch on Ziggy tour winter 96...we’re in Salt Lake of all places. Staying in same Holiday in on the main strip with the band. Had them in their own separate wing if memory serves. So we happen to walk down that hall for some reason and shit you not, as soon as we opened the door and entered the hall the ganja smell was so intense I swear I caught a contact buzz by the time we reached the other end of the hall LOL! My cousin too and he quit years before that....Salt Lake of all the places, too funny. I loved working with those guys they were so cool and nice, and perhaps the hardest working group I’ve ever seen, but man did those dudes like to burn, prodigious is an understatement! Dam, sorry, memory jog, next show, same tour, first time in Vail.
My cousin wanted to head back home that night even though we had one more in Denver next night. So small venue etc, since not carrying through all those draconian states, asked their helper guy Bali if I could get turned on...so he takes me backstage where a bunch of road crew etc (some going way back to the wailers etc) are sitting in this tiny room, about ten folks, and they break out this giant spleef. So I take a hit and go to pass when Bali informs me the custom is to sort of bathe in it, spend time with it, take several hits, almost what we would call bogarting, so who am I to break custom etc. well after this goes round a few times I’m now completely otta my mind lol. So I make a polite excuse to extricate myself since I am supposed to work. Well I was too loose to truck and had to stand in a back hall have a smoke and chill,out for a while since our “booth” is the penalty box of the tiny rink only facing out towards the main entrance, which Is about 15’ in front of us and where ALL the cops, EMTs etc are hanging...so I finally meander back and as I turn and stare at these authority types staring at us, I immediately get the fear, which my cousin sees and understands, of course laughing hard and giving me shit to this day! Fortunately, being such a small venue, he says go have fun but be ready to help for the busy time as people leave the show! Thanks bro, phew, of course it snows like three feet that night but we’ve given up our room, and it’s February in Vail so no rooms anyway, Oh, and there wasn’t a gas station we could find. So as Im literally the last car through the I 70 closure gate as their closing it, guy waving for us to stop but my cousin telling me to go for it....so as there closing the dreaded Vail pass and my first time on the white ribbon of death, still stoned to the gills, with like next to no gas, in a rental car we got in Cali with no snow tires! oy!
Luckily we found gas up in Frisco and made the trek but man that was a tuff drive! I’d recently moved to Colorado, but had never been up their yet. Glad I grew up in the North east!
Aaaa the adventures of youth!
Another not so funny Salt Lake tale was of old roommate/bandmate who got popped driving right after sparking up leaving Salt Lake on LOS tour early century....long story short he wrote a great song called Calivada highway where (a bridge is built from Colorado over Utah with hilarious lyrics, including the chorus about building the plumbing so it flows right through so we can say Utah piss on you! (No offense to all the good folks we’ve met from/in Utah, just a funny song about a sore subject)
The look on folks face when we used to play it, priceless! Hard to believe they have medical etc now, there and Nevada with full legalization. Remember the days with the intimidating road signs showing a cop and proclaiming something like “1 seed equals a hundred years” or some such scary shit. Glad those days are starting to end!

Keep them Coming

Holy crap Oroborous, you are smoking today, keep them coming.

Yes, the Blu Ray is special with the audio blue ray mix. Love to see them give us a video release with this mix again. Had a ball seeing this show at the 2019 MUATM.
New Speedway Boogie!
Remember those days?
We need to get back to that.

Stay well and everybody hang loose.

Keep em Comin'

I agree this is a pick of the day forum, not today in GD history..

So lets try and mix things up a bit today.. picked at random, how about 12/5/71, one of my first tapes. When I wrote the song list on the XLII S label, I used a red pen. I liked the the tape so much, I thought.. hey, for the really good shows I will use red ink. This lasted for about five good shows and then I got another batch and had no red pen. The stupid things we do for really no reason at all that seem to make sense at the time. 12/5/71 Felt Forum, lady in red.

So my toast, to things that seem to make sense at the time. I must have washed my hands in a muddy stream.....

12/5/1971

12/5/71 Felt Forum, I will check it out Jim.
Thanks.

Great Call Jim

Holy crap this board sounds fantastic. What is it about a great sounding show that turns your day around?

I washed my hands in muddy water. Love it.

So Random!

ran·dom
/ˈrandəm/
adjective
1. made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision.
"a random sample of more than 2300 grateful dead shows"

You guys are going way out there!
I like it.

Strider you were at these Felt Forum shows right?!?
I seem to recall you talking about Jerry playing a Fender Strat if that's where it's at...
Far Out.

What was the Felt Forum like as a venue?

Located inside the Madison Square Garden seats between 2,000 and 5,600 for concerts named in honor of Irving Mitchell Felt.

Seems as though the GDs popularity in NY at this time had them going to larger & larger Venues.
I should find out the story about Bill Graham's involvement in putting this on, having closed the Fillmore East and and telling the press on 4/28/71 that he was tired and it wasn't worth it. More negatives than positives.
Apparently, there were still some positives. Like some big fat sacks of cash!

BG intro.. harboring some resentment about Bob's baseball game and for smashing his shoulder. Love this stuff.

Oh wait... this is sounding like a This Day in Dead History.. shit!

PS - Jim that Fire On The Mountain yesterday!! Holy Moly, I loved that. Show was way off my radar. Really dug it. 1981 is ringing my bell lately. I'm telling you that year is in the air. DL is gonna release some :)
12/4/73 is ok, but the band sounds a bit fatigued.

Re: Felt Forum

I have been there twice when it was named The Theater at Madison Square Garden..

I thought it was a weird place. Kind of an urban theater.. few frills, lacking the ornate gold leaf feel and Gothic/Victorian amenities. Typical theater seating in semi-circle curving around the stage. I do not recall a balcony and I recall the seating having a very shallow incline. Madison Square Garden is directly on top of you, Penn Station is I think below you. I recall it as being tiny, I cannot imagine 5k people there, maybe if your date sat on your shoulders... To me it seemed considerably smaller than say the Beacon Theatre which holds under 3k people. Maybe they can get rid of some baffling walls or dividers or something. Must have been a wild ride to see the GD there.

I think one of the times I was there was to see the How the Grinch Stole Christmas as a theatre presentation right before Christmas with my kid.. NYC is (was, will be again one day) a fun place to visit just before the holidays so long as you don't mind spending a little quality time with like 9 million of your closest friends. Hot Tuna used to play at the Beacon every year around Jorma's birthday between Thanksgiving and Christmas. A great time and place to see the Tuna.

Strider, wherefore art thou?

Random musings

Dug the Salt Lake show, but I think I liked 12/3 a tad more? You guys were right about the post drums! Wowsa...JG is rippin’ wicked good as the say up north. Glad I went back to it. Yeah, what is it about 81 lately? Dave.....

DV with the hit yet again. Forgot what a fun set list/show 6/17/91 is. And though the video is what it is quality wise, it’s so nice to watch them on occasion. I think the amazing sound on this one more than makes up for it though.
Think I’ve only seen this one a couple times so it was a perfect pick for my Friday night shenanigans!
That Giants box is awesome and yet another I haven’t spent near enough time with...

So from 81, to 91, to 71...
What version are you listening too?
Doubt I’m gonna have time for this today, but I should check it out ASAP. Had a crappy tape of part BITD (most of my tapes pre hiatus were crappy?) Actually used to play Muddy Water because of this tape, and it was easy lol.
Probably on a tape from one of our early shows we played out on? Man, someday I need to go through a bunch of that, but thats a huge project I don’t have time for and listening to much of that is painful...like seeing yourself on TV only worse.

Versions

The Charlie Miller is the one I am using for the Felt...

https://archive.org/details/gd1971-12-05.131532.miller.sbd.flac16/gd71-…

Still enjoying this one.. just finished the first and on to the second. Second set was a classic. Great way to spend a chilly Sunday afternoon outdoors.

Felt Forum

I went the first night of that run, 12/4/71. I listened two days ago by way of re-listen. Yesterday I listened to 12/5/92 Gila River Indian Reservation, ( not Tempe, Az as listed on re-listen). Was at the new Compton Terrace both days in 92 and December 90. Went to the original Compton Terrace in March 83, that was in Tempe. . Going to listen to 12/6/92 today and maybe Felt Forum 12/6/71 later. I remember the radio broadcast from 12/5/71 when it happened, WNEW carried it.
Was reminded just now about Acoustic Dead 12/6/80. Already loaded up in the iPhone.
Many Deadheads were waylaid by a major blizzard in December 92 trying to drive from the McNichols Denver shows to Arizona. It poured rain the day before the 1st Compton Terrace show driving from New Mexico to Superstition Mountains, where my 67 Chevy van died, but that’s another story.

Here Comes Sunshine

Now this is not related to this Day in Dead History, but...

Do you all think it's just a coincidence that the longest Here Comes Sunshine (12/6/73) and the return of Here Comes Sunshine (12/6/92) happen on the same date?
Trippy, huh?!?!

Good Stuff.

12/6/71 is sounding good today, that transition back into The Other One from Me & Bobby McGee is tight! They were so on their game.

12/5/71 - I feel like I had a GD hour of Muddy Water & Comes A Time from that show, but maybe it was just filler on a tape, anyhow.. I've always loved that Comes A Time. The extra verse that Jerry sings is really poignant and always resonates with me. Even as a young lad, I could relate to that. Nice work Hunter.

12/6/73 - Gonna happen later today.

Strider - I'm curious of your take on how you viewed the scene in say '92 having been there back in the glory days and had been going to shows for close to 23 years at that point. So much had changed and yet, the magic could still occur. December '92 Jerry was back again and stayed that way for awhile. What was going through your mind during these December '92 shows?

Would love to hear. I caught the band in December '93 for my last show and I felt glad to be there, but a bit nostalgic. The band & the crowd felt like it was going through the motions that night, instead of feeling it. Coulda just been me.

But December '92 - Summer '93 there's some there there.

Wasn’t thinking anniversary when I started playing it

I processed more torrent shows yesterday and loaded the ALAC files on a music player.
An hour ago or so started playing the first show displayed on the screen, and only just now realized that it is tomorrow’s anniversary.

12-7-68
Has some cuts but sounds pretty decent. Doing the 88674.miller copy.
Thanks Charlie.

Re: Anniversary

I get that.. you landed on this show just to get under Oroborous' skin.

My picks are completly random.

The 90s

I brought an old friend to the Phoenix Dead shows in December 1990. He had seen them once before in the 60s at Winterland . The parking lot scene at Compton Terrace reminded him of a 1950s science fiction movie about people partying into the future while imminent disaster was ravaging the planet and the human race.
I vaguely remember an old British film from the 50s when the sun was getting bigger and would soon destroy the Earth. Beatniks were depicted having wild street parties. Saxophones and bongos. Nihilistic is the word that comes to my mind. This is a very generalized broad brush view of how wild the Grateful Dead scene became. Most Deadheads held down some form of work, myself included. So this is a comical view I hold about the later days of the Grateful Dead scene, (deadheads) I need to find that sci fi movie. Maybe it was “The Day the Earth Caught Fire”, 1961.

The 90s, Nihilism & Primal Dead

That's rich Strider.
If you remember that movie please let me know, as that sounds like must see tv :)

Sometimes I wonder if this life is completely meaningless and totally absurd...

But most of the time I avoid thinking about that and listen to music to distract me and get some kicks.

I'm not one to tell people what to do, but if you skipped 12/6/73 Dark Star > Eyes of The World, do yourself a favor and pop it in soon before this ring around the sun is finished. It's big time. 3rd longest Dark Star or something for you statisticians.

And ConeKid is going Primal!!!

Primal Monday, I like the sound of that.
12/7/68
Rosemarinus officinalis, To wake the sleeping Beauty, she had to be touched by rosemary, a plant of many legends and ancient beliefs, and of many uses.
Also the flower of mourning.

How freaking cool is Robert Hunter?
And how inspired is a guy like David Dodd?

By the way in the annotated lyrics it seems to be in question whether or not they played Rosemary on 12/7/68.

You my friend can solve this mystery today!

The choice is yours, if you dare.

Good Stuff.

PS - and for a bit of randomness 6/9/84 Set 2 - Amazing!!

Primal indeed

And it was worth it.

Yes, the Rosemary is there, but partially cut.

Compton Terrace '90

Thanks Strider for bringing that '90 show on the res. back to mind. The scene was dusty but the liquor was clean. I had never seen a pre-show scene that wasn't paved and the freedom of no discernable authority was making up for the rag-tag that is selling to make enough to get to the next show. I thought the post-apocalyptic feel was from me going to a show solo but emotions can run strange in certain states of consciousness. It actually felt good to be back on the bus as it was my first show since the Folsum Field '80 fifteenth anniversary. Missed '92 Phoenix but caught my last ride at the '94 version and knew either Jerry or I wouldn't be at the next one. That turned out to be prescient as my next one was the 25th anniversary of my first show at Red Rocks 2003 with The Dead and Jimmy Herring.

And.....

And where is Bolo? It has been a while.

I have been hitting up that 10/2/77 show quite a bit lately since Bob t turned me on to it. Just can't get enough of it. That Casey Jones and Dupree's are hot stuff.

December through January end up being long months, this year will be even worse.
How about a show released in ALAC and or FLAC for the faithful this month? That would help us all.

Re: Bolo

Afghanistan? Angola?? It's got to be election season somewhere???

And (and) (and) you put the load right on me

December 7, 1968 gives us a cool view into the growth of the Dark Star suite.
With St. Stephen showing up in June ’68 time frame, it quickly finds it’s pole position following Dark Star and leading into The Eleven. By December ’68 the suite was about 6 months old. And on December 7th you get a great version of all 3 tunes. Dark Star clocks in around 13 minutes and has a lot of the flavor of it’s future self, but the songs growth in a little over 2 months will produce the stunningly magical Fillmore West ’69 versions. So by February ’69 this song reaches it’s zenith. But this version is definitely a point on the celestial sphere worth observing.

Fun show throughout and a rare glimpse into what the band was playing at this time. Despite the clipped beginnings, it’s a must have tape for your collection IMO.

I wish we had more shows from this time period (understatement).

Good pick ConeKid, I enjoyed that.

Also checked out the 12/5/92 Set 2 Strider was talking about and dug it. The band is playing well, good versions. Bob’s voice, it’s really gruff, but it adds a quality that I was digging. I think he had vocal cord surgery after this?

I like 90s GD. Shit, I might like all GD. Thanks for the ’90s memories!

October ’77, 10-2 is a ripper fo sure. Dig that Road Trips artwork from that month too.

Well, I picked up my bags, I went looking’ for a place to hide
When I saw Cameron Indoor Stadium from a ’73 December Night

12/7/68

I got as far as cleaning up the metadata and loading this on my devices last night... good to hear it this morning, better late then never.

The weight.. a song that carries special meaning for me. If you are bored one day, go to one of those sites that discusses song meanings and check out some of the interpretations. I think we all know what it's about.. but at least to me invokes one of those multi-layered, deep moments of reflection. For times when life is difficult but we have to find a way to pull through regardless. Sort of like 2020.

Today's Pick

Who has a pick for today? Jim? Bueller?

Another anniversary

12-9-81

This one got rave reviews*

*(only from 80’s fans)

Today's Pick Dave's Picks #20

Dave's Picks #20 you say Conekid? Sounds good. Thanks.

12/9/81

Oh yes, this is the show were the Jack Straw falls apart.

Jumping in mid-game

I don’t listen to music at work, so it’s at night at home and in the car.

12-9-81 going now, but jumped to Bird Song, then Candyman, Cassidy, ChinaRider.
Now on Scarlet.
Yeah, not quite the same as 12-7-68, but I’m glad to have stuff from every year.

in Concert '81

Big fan of '81 Dead.
But... for some reason the 12/9 show hasn't really grabbed me up by the ears.

Let me clarify, I'm not bitching or trying to sound un-Grateful.
I'm happy to have this show to listen to and think about and with this release I know I don't need another version of this show so we're all good there.
But this is just me as a picky geeked out Dead Head discussing music with my homies during the ninth month of a global pandemic.
That all being said...
I think I have the same reaction each time I hear this show.
Which is: surprise.
Surprised this got released.

That's not to say I don't like it, I just find myself drifting off thinkin' there are some real smokers in December '81 and I'm not sure this is one.
First set is train wrecky, some pretty big audience patches needed, Bob being weird throughout.
That all being said, each time I look at the cover I think, what am I missing about this show, and so I give it a go.
I just haven't heard it yet. And yeah, didn't really hear it yesterday.
Personally, I think 12/3 smokes this show, but nobody really axed me that.

Now I'm listening to this China > Rider while I type and this is freaking good stuff.
But yeah.. this show hasn't reached December '81 go to status for me, but hey, that's ok!

And since we're talking.
Have we discussed Fade Out Tracks?
Since we're gonna be doing this CD medium for however long with Dead Releases, I'd love to propose something.
There's this cool trick I saw some bootleggers do when we were trading CDs BITD.
They'd add a separate Fade Out & Fade In track at the break point that way if you're not listening to the show on CD, say you were listening on a music playing device like a phone or what have you. You can just delete the Fade Out & Fade In track and the whole thing will be seamless again. So in this case, it'd look like:
Disc 1 Track Listing -
10. Looks Like Rain >
11. Fade Out

Disc 2 Track Listing -
1. Fade In
2. China Cat Sunflower >

So what I'm proposing is Cut those tracks so that Disc 1 Track 10 lines up with Disc 2 Track 2 and viola! Delete Fade In & Out tracks and you have Seamless Dead for all of us heads that are not listening to CDs and love seamless GD.

I sound bitchy. (read this whole post in the most non-bitchy way!! Just friends talking music here.)

Alright, Break time ladies and Gentleman.
But We'll Be Back Real Quick.
(insert big Jerry guitar fan)
See you in a minute or two.

Now, the total opposite side of this DaP V20 (which had a decent SBD in circulation for years) is an Unreleased SBD that doesn't circulate like...
December 10, 1973
Now this.. this here folks is a Go To!
Cause, it's all there is, there ain't no more (in circulation)
Supposedly there's what 4-5 songs that got excised due to "sub-par sonics".
(can't find any liner notes, anybody got the official explanation handy?)
From the one set list I found looks like Jack Straw, Jed, El Paso, BEW got nixed from Set 1 and a MAMU from Set 2.
But the rest is here in seamless glory for us to grok. And grok I must.
As the wonderful strains of 1973 Playing In The Band begin.
This sounds delightful..
I'm so Grateful for all you archival music releasing people, you are special, Great Work!!

Cast no stones

PS - JiminMD after your suggestion, I did read up on the meaning of the Weight, which I had never done. It was pretty fascinating the speculation out there. Now, what do you think it's about?

12/9/81 Bob Weir

Stand up comedy

The 4 Principles of Quan-fa

Master Strider

You have summed up what I wanted to say in one line when it took me many.

I still have much to learn.

GOGD

I hear you man, there are better 81 shows. Would be interesting to pick DL brain on this pick. Anyway, it comes off the shelve a couple times a year.

Are you thinking 12/10/73 for today??

I still don't have this from the download series.

Stay well out there.

On Tour

DV - Yeah, Bob T twisted my arm and got me to go out on this December '73 tour, even though he ditched me in Cincinnati, we hooked back up in Cleveland. Sick Dark Star > Eyes bro!!!
The Durham show was good, but 12/6 was probably the best so far and the stuff in Boston on 11/30 & 12/2.

Just a few more to go.

LMK if you're gonna try and make the show and have trouble gettin' tickets, we might know of an extra.

Keep on Truckin'

Best,
GOGD

Fades, non-seamless transitions

Fade ins and outs between CD’s is really annoying.
Charlie Miller has been making seamless transitions for years, not sure why Norman has never figured out the concept.
I fix all releases that need it with editing software before loading onto HD’s and music players.

12-9-81
Stella struck me as quite good last night. Don’t know if I never noticed it before, or noticed it before but then forgot.

Re: The Weight

For me, this simply means taking on additional burdens that were not of your making and how this impacts your life and can bring you down emotionally. How someone else's irresponsibility forces one to take the right action or do right in order to avoid a greater catastrophe or additional harm to others.

Before I wrote this I decided I should revisit SongMeanings.com as it's been perhaps 20 years since I did this.. and there was a quote from Robertson I had not seen before that shed light on the songwriting process for this song. There is mention that specifics were purposefully left general so the song could take on a special meaning to the listener, which is certainly true for me. It also went on to add that Luis Buñuel was a major influence to the lyrics, so I had to check him out and watched one of his more popular films on YouTube, "Los Olvidados" or The Young and the Damned (with English subtitles). A pretty good little flick with a deep plot similar to the meaning of the song.. in this movie a young troubled kid gets out of kiddie jail only to continue his life of crime and destruction including theft and ultimately murder ultimately bringing everyone around him, even the most innocent down with him by mere association. Not the meaning I took from the song but just barely one step removed.

To me, it still carries a deep, personal meaning.. like I said I was never meant to be the responsible one yet I have carried a whole bunch of people throughout my life including now.. professionally and personally. It's not very much fun, often depressing and exhausting. But we all make decisions in life that have consequences both to us and those around us. I am a severely flawed human but I do try to grasp and understand each situation and try to do right or at least the best I can. My own brand of pragmatism I guess and I really try hard not to burden others with my own stupidity or lessor actions.

To tie this back to the Grateful Dead, I quote Phil Lesh from the Saratoga Performing Arts Center on 1985-06-27.. when two people were swinging dangerously from the balcony just before Stagger Lee Bobby stopped the show pleading that they stop hanging from the balcony to which Phil added, "Do what yourself what you want man, we just don't want you falling on somebody else." How many times have we all been that person that the guy hanging on the balcony fell on?

the impossibility of sainthood

I think you nailed it Jimi.

It's funny, having spent a lifetime hearing this song and loving it, I'm not sure I ever stopped to think about what it meant. I just always loved the way Rick Danko would sing the Crazy Chester verse. It always gives me chills (even as I write this) how much emotion he's able to deliver in that line and the way he sings it.

The songs always been a favorite. Since it came out in '68, I've been hearing it randomly here and there my whole life. I remember hearing the NRPS version from 5/2/70 with Bob & Jerry singing in around '88 (on the GD Hour I believe) and just losing my shit. The Grateful Dead are playing the Weight?!?!

Then as luck would have it, having not seen the Dead since Alpine '88, I happened to catch a show in Frankfurt Germany in '90 and they closed the show with the song. I was so stoked, it felt like they were playing it just for me. And maybe they were that night. I had no idea they'd been playing it for awhile. Back then, if you were overseas, it felt like it :)

Ah... Good Stuff.

Thanks Jim, I enjoyed the trip.

GOGD

Yes, I definitely need a ticket.

Holy Crap

GOGD, you made some of that E 90 tour? Congrats.. so jealous.

I edited in a quote from Phil that relates this back to the GOGD, sorry to change my orig. post on meanings... Have we done 85 Saratoga yet? If not, we should try and fit that one in. It's been a while for me but it has always been one of my favorite tapes from that glorious summer of '85....

Oh.. and Cone Kid.. I get what you are saying, when I listen it's always digital copies, almost never the CDs.. but if had a hard cut from one song to the other it would sound really weird after the CD swap. I see the other perspective.

Lucky I guess

Jimi - Yeah, you probably wouldn't be that jealous if you knew the circumstance behind it, but that's another story.
It was cool to see them in a place that small for sure!

DV - Tickets in the mail. PM sent.

I'm listening to Stella from 12/9 again to see if I catch the fever.
Short The Other One and another fade in before.. I'm not sure this will ever be my favorite. But I'm trying.

Meanwhile, loved 12/10/73 today and am gonna go back for more after 4:20ish this afternoon, give or take an hour or two :)

Good Stuff!

PS - '85 I'm still alive. Love me some '85! And Primal 12/11/69 stuff :)

how about

12-11-69 Thelma for tomorrow, some of it is on Dave's 10 bonus disc. Primal for sure But that Dark Star>Stephen>the Eleven>Cumberland to end the first set is the only time played and pretty awesome. Second set starts off with Morning Dew, can't beat that.

Seamless transitions

I listen to new release CD’s twice to make sure they aren’t defective, then make a copy on a computer and type in the track names according to my system, then make any necessary edits and crossfades.
Then convert to AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320, with each format on a separate HD. I then listen on music players and flash drives, so seamlessness (did I invent a new word? my spell checker thinks so) is mandatory.
The CD’s then go in a storage box (they stay cleaner that way).

At least with a 6-disc changer it moves pretty quickly to the next CD, so with a seamless transition between CD’s the gap is pretty short.
Single disc CD players are kind of like vinyl, but you get to sit on the couch for longer before you have to get up and change the disc.

My Garcia 15 showed up today. That’s going to spin tonight.
My Jimi in Maui got lost, so Uncle Beez sent me a new one.
People were discussing Anthem To Beauty the other day on one these boards. I’ve never seen it before, so I got one from Uncle Beez for like $6. Seems like a score to me.

12-11-69 tomorrow you say?
Sounds like a plan, and it’s even Friday night.

Edit:
The plastic thickness of the Garcia 15 CD’s is noticeably thinner than the Jimi CD’s.
Glad that the Hendrix Estate hasn’t decided (so far) to cut corners on manufacturing to save a buck or two.

Seamless

Wow.. detailed. I can only surmise you have a user's manual and a detailed binder for Policies and Procures to be obeyed when setting up your metadata.

Perhaps even thinker than the set of binders I use. (kidding of course) :D

Pretty cool cone kid.

Policies and Procedures Manual

Got my methods pretty well memorized at this point.
But, I do have a written list of HD’s and what’s on them to help me remember, since each main HD has multiple back ups.
Along with all the audio formats there are also HD’s for video.

Particular

I'm anal about my metadata and hard drive structure (how to label shows, etc.). Anything I have worked on since 2015 or so that's not an official release I save lossless as Alac, Flac and Wav. It just makes it easier to share as everyone seems to have different preferences. I can totally relate to your P&P manual and attention to detail.

12-11 for me tomorrow

I'm always a day behind and a dollar short..

But I am enticed for a relisten, thanks Sammy.

Doesn't 12/11 wrap into 12/12 in the bonus disc or something like that anyway?...

Thelma

One of my favorite Dave’s Picks. The Workingmans Dead material sounds so low key. Black Peter has a real feeling of pain and aging segueing towards the last breath. Feeling of fever and suffering.
Somehow a cautionary tale.
Caution on disc three is chant like or hypnotic.
39 years ago on this date I saw the Dead first time in four years since Winterland on 12/29 & 30/77. Before that was 10/20/74. The Dance for Disarmament on 12/12/81 was interesting. Acoustic accompaniment with Joan Baez and then an electric set. Will give it a listen today but it was the complete New Years run later that month that was truly epic. 12/26 Eleven Jam was quite the exciting moment. I went all five nights in 81 when it was still the Oakland Auditorium.
Where’s Bolo & LMG.

I didn’t do my homework

Missed 12-11-69 yesterday, so now I need to make that up and earn extra credit.
Fortunately for me it’s the weekend and I’m not going anywhere (except outside later today to roast some coffee beans while it’s sort of warm and not raining).

I do have a legitimate excuse for not doing my homework, this week I received Jimi in Maui, Garcia 15, and the Anthem To Beauty dvd (watched it last night).

I see that I also missed
12-6%,7-71 (DaP 22 + bonus)
12-4%-73 (Winterland 73 Box bonus disc)
12-10-73 (DS8)

I better get to work because 12-14-71 (DaP 26) is around the corner.

Hope all this anniversary talk hasn’t driven away Oro.

My yellow dog ate my homework....

....that's my story and i'm sticking to it. Thelma commencing now.

Pick of the Day

Pick of the Day. Going to offer up 3/18/1990, The Hartford Civic Center. This is a really strong show.

Vguy

It has a Cumberland!

12-12-69 is

Dave's pick #10, but the bonus disc is the night before. Not that 12-12-69 isn't a great show too.

Celestial Season

48 years ago the last humans walked on moon. Next week Saturn and Jupiter will be in conjunction on December 21 the Winter Solstice.
Yesterday I hit a double header; 12/12/70 Santa Rosa Fairgrounds, ( killer Grateful Dead!!) and then 12/12/81 that I attended. Guadalupe Day. High Time.