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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 23, 2023 - 4:43pm

#851

1stshow70878

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5-10-72 Amsterdam (+ 5-11 Rotterdam)

I really liked this one. Part of that may have been a good focused late night listen. Mix was slightly different with more Bob, maybe less Keith? That highlighted by Bob's interesting work in China>Rider too. They attempted to slow the tempo in the Rider part but not everyone caught the drift there. Maybe I liked it for the set list and song order again which I found appealing in more than one of the tour so far. It does seem to be the difference some times in what I perceive as a good show. Highlights: Loser, Big Boss Man, TOO which was extended and very spacey (one part had the cat looking at me like WTF?) in the first go, then a little jazzy Keith, then a lengthy somewhat quiet interlude before >Bobby McGee>TOO again. Maybe the best Sing Me Back Home so far of the tour. And a sweet but shorter Sugar Mag> NFA> GDTRFB> NFA again to end. Again DeadbaseX way off with setlist out of order and missing songs. Not really counting on that being right anymore. Still plugging away with Rotterdam next but may get stalled Mon. - Tue. with a trip to the Four Corners region. Need us some slickrock and petroglyphs before the weather starts turning.
Cheers
Edit: 5-11-72 Rotterdam. Jeez- Louise! I can see why Oro said this might be his favorite EU72. The whole 1st set is at that slow, let's get this perfect pace and is another killer set that starts with a Playin' so you know it's going to be good. Then this 2nd set starts with a Dew and is monumental with the best DS so far and one that is now in my top 5 of all time and the 2nd set jammed portion runs like 75 minutes! The final Caution/Who Do You Love is a great way to end that song's run. I googled best show of EU72 and this one came up often and is in the top 3 or 4 in most lists. Just a wowzer.
September 23, 2023 - 6:06am

#852

daverock

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Icecrmcnkd

Crumbs...sorry, I wasn't expecting that for an answer. Thanks for the heads up - nice that them upstairs read these posts.
September 23, 2023 - 4:24am

#853

icecrmcnkd

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Daverock

The September GD Bulletin came out yesterday in an email.
At the end there is a section Community Bits that briefly summarizes what it being discussed on these boards.

It says:

In the Pick of the Day, With Discussion thread, Daverock raises the interesting point that for Europe ’72, there weren’t so many Dead Heads in the audience — and that affected the band’s playing. Maybe for the better? What do you think?
September 23, 2023 - 3:22am

#854

daverock

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Icecrmcnkd

Sorry - I'm not sure what that means!
September 22, 2023 - 3:00pm

#855

icecrmcnkd

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GD Bulletin

Daverock gets the call out.
September 22, 2023 - 2:43am

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daverock

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Bickershaw and repetition

1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.
September 21, 2023 - 8:50pm

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JimInMD

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Repetitive, Sort of..

With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.
September 21, 2023 - 3:23pm

#858

Oroborous

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RE: repetition

Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol
September 21, 2023 - 2:35pm

#859

1stshow70878

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Bickershaw again

Finishing up as I write.
Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
Cheers
September 21, 2023 - 2:20pm

#860

daverock

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Repetition

Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

NYE, don’t forget 12-31-76

I did listen to 12-31-77 a few days ago.
Might watch 12-31-78 for NYE.

Last 4,
all today because I just finished painting my kitchen.
11-7-85 miller.139852
12-21-68 miller.89718
7-25-74 miller.12656
3-23-95 miller.25273

All Miller’s.
Thanks Charlie.

Yes, 3-23-95 is quite nice.
The Bruce factor!

New years eve shows

Lets put it together tomorrow, and start on the 24th? So the 8 days of New Year' eve!! Bob t

This will never work...

How about instead.. a listing of shows where the Dead played at over 7.7k feet above sea level in elevation?

(in my best Rocky from Rocky and Bullwinkle, "that trick never works"). Ok. New Year's shows it is, I'm all in.

12/31 from 81 and 82 don't compare to the ones already suggested.. but they are no slouches and personal, under the radar favorites. I would also open up for suggestion that all the shows on the New Years run are up for grabs... if that's ok. Some of the shows just a couple days before were a ok with me and perhaps we would be remiss to ignore them. Besides, this keeps it a tad more interesting and less programmatic.

It can work....

....do you know where you are?

New Years Eve Shows

Good idea.

76 is one of the best, at least officially released and 87, released on Video is fun.

I thought 1976 was a gimmie....

....shows how much I know.
Best. Samson. Ever. That. Night.
Just sayin

new years eve picks

Ok here goes... Just a first draft. Tried to get something from every era. Need one more for 8. Thoughts?? We can do this...

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party
12/31/71 Winterland
12/31/76 Winterland
12/31/78 Winterland
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum

Aperitif

And if you are looking for an aperitif, I listened to 12/30/69 this morning-tasty!

Bob T/ Great Job

Bob T great job, you are definitely the hub of the wheel.. Oh, forgot one, GOGDs pick, 12/31/72, starts out with a great version of Around & Around.

12/23/70

Most definitely a different feeling with home town shows. 12/23/70 is well worth a listen. Most of the way through this morning. Jim is correct that with any given New Years run it was an excellent chance that an earlier date besides NYE could be higher quality. 12/29/77 and 12/30/77 qualify.
Happy birthday Jorma.

Billy the Kid thanks

I really like that 72 New Years Eve show with David Crosby!!! Also agree how good the shows that weren't on NYE like a 12/29/77 or 12/30/ 69 or even1/2/70 are. Bob t

1/2/72 Winterland

Another great show not on New Years Eve, 1/2/72.

Grateful Dead / Hot Tuna ("Acoustic Dead" Benefit) & NYE

12/23/70 Digging that Deep Elem Blues!

Synchronicity in this selection Strider.
Not only did Jorma perform on this bill.
But there's a whole post at Lost Live Dead about how the Dead could even book this show 8 days before playing a Winterland NYE show :)
http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2012/03/december-23-1970-winterland-gr…

Good stuff.

NYE Show Extravaganza!
Looks like it's shaping up. Nice work Bob T.
And yeah, don't forget 1972!!
Also to rock the boat 1989 NYE worth trying to fit in there somewhere?

As for the shows that surround the NYE runs, we can discuss our favorites while we listen to these here NYEs.

The NYE hometown runs don't really start until '77 and two of the best surrounding run shows happened that year as mentioned here earlier by someone who saw them, Strider that's you. 12/30/78 is great too, but that's at the Pauley. Most of the '79 run is better than NYE. The list goes on, 12/28/83 is another. But we can talk about that ad nauseam while we listen to these here NYE shows. And maybe make a list of top 8 surrounding NYE shows and listen to those afterwards :)

How's that sound?

@Good ole re 12/31/89

Let's add it to the list for our 8th choice!!

@BobT

I'm hip!

So what's that list looking like now?
Cause '72 might mess up the math.

Maybe swap '71 for '72?
Don't wanna mess with BTK's bro's first show... but if I recall correctly '72 is more spectacular and it's one of my fave NYEs.
Not to mention Bill Graham's favorite NYE moment happened that night.

Am I being difficult?
Freakin' Dead Heads!!

New Years

Okay, Bob t, we will save 12/31/1980 for the 2021 box set.

1972 for 1971 New Years

Sounds good to me...

Show Order

So are we thinking chronologically?
Start with 69 end with 90
Or start with 90 and end with 69.

What are your thoughts on that?
Or we could give each show a number 1-8 and use a random number generator to establish order.

Just thinking out loud here. But curious about that.
Once that's established we're ready to go on the NYE bender.

69....

....nice.
I vote for oldest to newest.

Where to begin....

... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle! I have two copies, one open and the other is still sealed!
I would recommend any fan of the band should have this little key to return to a important historical point & time in the birth of the Grateful Dead !
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

NYC & New Jersey future homage to another MotherShip

Leeds us to the mother ship which contains a plethoras of primo performances recordings available to release for the first New Year announcement which should be creeping in here any minnow my fine feathered friends! Let’s run let’s run run run ! 🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

I second Vguy's motion

Oldest to newest.

I second Vguy's motion

Oldest to newest.

NYE Extravaganza starts tomorrow

And it's 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Here we go!

It's on, a NYE party that spans 8 days.

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party - Thursday Xmas Eve
12/31/72 Winterland - Friday Xmas
12/31/76 Winterland - Saturday
12/31/78 Winterland - Sunday
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium - Monday
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium - Tuesday
12/31/89 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Wednesday
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Thursday NYE

Happy New Year!

Brought to you by BobT & the POTD crew.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

*Re/ Good OL Dead! Beautiful! 🙏💀🌹

Beautiful! 🙏💀🌹 let’s Roll , grt the reels becomes Alive!

Mississippi Queen

RIP Leslie West. Another fat man that rocked.

I'm in on the NY's gigs, I will try to keep up.

Old to not as old

Happy Xmas / War is Over! If you want it
“Another year over and a new one just begun”
John & Yoko

NYE Boston Tea Party....

....the boyz played Cumberland all 3 nights!!

Mr. Leslie West

What a great loss and a sweet, wonderful human being. Saw him and Felix many times back in the 70's, those were great shows, Leslie could really rock and what a great slide player, check out "Crossroader" from the Flowers of Evil lp, and from The road goes ever on lp, the live version from the aforementioned lp is hot. The entire live side of Flowers of Evil is also very good. Dream sequence>Dreams of Milk and Honey>Roll over Beethoven, soo gooood. Some of the loudest concerts too, and when it was all over, they were all drenched in sweat, especially Leslie.

Light Shows, Acid Heads And The Grateful Dead

Mo Monitors! And the only NYE concert outside the Bay Area

Everything to be seen at the Tea Party on New Year's Eve was a direct descendant of the Acid Test. The wall behind the band was bursting with gaseous, exploding galaxies, vibrant suns, flickering dots and spastic paramecia; every facet of the curving walls was covered with projections of comic strips, nudes, old etchings, portraits of the marijuana weed and photos of Boston; two movie projectors showed sporadic clips of Looney Toons, Spencer Tracy's "Boy's Town," and Olivier's "Othello." And, of course, the Dead were there. 
- from the Boston Herald Traveler, 11 January 1970 by Timothy Crouse

Too Much!!

The Boston Tea Party sounds like a pretty hip place. Also of note, by the time of this show it was located in the same building that was formally known as The Ark, which the Dead famously played in April and yes we all want those shows released. From what I can tell it had a capacity of around 1900 people.

The recording we've got here by Bear didn't come into circulation until early 1998 and is pretty dang sweet! It also includes possibly the weirdest ending to a NYE show ever. I mean who else but the GOGD would spend hours getting folks all raved up only to drop into 4 obscure acoustic numbers at the end of the night?!?! There's gotta be a story there, I think I remember reading it, but can't recall the specifics.
(Phil teases Dark Star and then Jerry calls it off and says let's take a break:)

"Well, it looks like the 1970s are going to be weird." - Jerry Garcia

This is one of those shows, that falls in the... "Think that was good? Well you shoulda been here last night!" category. That being said... last show of the 1960s who can resist?!?! And first of the NYE Extravaganza 2020. 
Enjoy!

PS - If anybody has the Taper's Compendium Addendum let's talk. I really want to read that!
PPS - This is a repost / earlier post got deleted? Good thing I started saving them! Or is it so bad that it got trashed :)

I'm going with 12.29.69 as a warm up today....

....hope to see you there!

@VGuy

12/29 is a warm up for 12/30/69

Might wanna just skip ahead to 12/30 & 12/31

Or listen to them all... it's the holidays!

Dug 12/31/69 it's a real good time.

Wait. Did we start the NYE thing today?....

....I'm getting confused, which isn't hard to do to begin with.

@VGUY72

NYE Extravaganza has begun 12/31/69 today.

On your mark. Ready, set....

....Go!! Lemme check out the other Tea Party Cumberland's first.

Let’s Get It Right

15 seconds, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.. Happy New Year!

This is one of my favorite NYE shows.
Maybe cause I love 1972.
Or it could just be the Playing In The Band shreds.
Either way, great way to end one of, if not the, greatest year in GD history.

Also, this show contains one of Bill Graham's & Bob Weir's favorite Winterland Moments and a famously told story.

This is the NYE show where the guy climbed down through the ceiling tiles and hung on the wire and they canceled the show and Bill Graham talked him down.
It happens between Sing Me Back Home and Johnny B. Goode.
Most of the time the audio is cut out, but is included on the Recording of FM Broadcast on KSAN along with a fun Europe '72 promo commercial.

Worth seeking out if you're a historical geek like me.

Alright, well what can I say..
Merry Christmas!!!
Have fun with this one.
And Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards People!

12/31/72

My brother was at this show and he told me about the guy climbing in from the roof of Winterland. The Dead were looking up at him as he was hanging up there. Bill Graham asked him if there was anything he would like to say and he said "I'm 007" .

Just hold it for a second, please.

Just one second, please.
If you could just try to find your way back the way you came up there. Please.

How about that Truckin' > The Other One > Morning Dew?!?!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hearing that.
Most epic NYE jam IMO.
We'll see if I change that opinion during the Extravaganza.
I know '76 is pretty epic too, but there's no 40 minute Other One Jam...

Wow.

Alright, couple more fun facts.
Eyewitness states that the famous Winterland Mirror Ball made it's first appearance on this evening during PITB.
The band was wearing their Nudie Suits, 2nd of 4 appearances?
12/15/72
12/31/72
02/19/73
03/19/73 (partial;)

And yes, BTK he could only tell us his number, 007.
What a weirdo! Wonder what happened to that guy...

And now can we hear it for the greatest rock n' roll band in the world.
The Grateful Dead, please.

Alright, Good Stuff.
Happy Christmas!

PS - Anybody have the Dead.net Bonus CD that came with Winterland '78?
Supposedly that Bill Graham exchange is on there as a hidden track.
LMK if you're out there, I'm sure I've got something cool to trade for a copy.

@The Good Ole G…

I have the New Year's at Winterland Bonus with Bill G. I can rip it for you, provided it's not disc rotted like my DaP 1-4 and RT 4.5. I love those unexpected surprises. Be well, all. :-)

@WILFREDTJONES

That would be so awesome!!

LMK what I can do to help make that happen.

Thanks WTJ and Happy Christmas!

Good Ole

Pm sent

Lord have mercy on us crazies down here.

Big Ole Hello to all you folks out there in radio land as well

ne plus ul·tra
/ˌnē ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌplo͝os ˈo͝oltrə/
noun
1. the perfect or most extreme example of its kind; the ultimate.

Great liner notes by David Lemieux and Glenn Lambert (who was one of the host DJs of the KSAN broadcast) for this one.

Dave uses the ne plus ultra phrase in reference to 1974 performances of Playing In The Band, I guess I’ve always felt that was 1972. Something about Jerry’s playing and the Alligator sound vs Jerry’s Wolf sound just rings my bell harder. Did I mention I love Playing In The Band from 1972?

Anyway, this might suggest a new avenue of exploration for me. 1974 Playing In The Band relisten mission. However, I digress... big time.

We’re not talking about 1972 or 1974 right now, we’re talking about 1976 and in particular 12/31/76.

Epic Set 1 closing Playing In The Band which has hints of the days of yore and yet is rooted in the present which at the time of this recording was the last moments of 1976.

Last GD cow palace show, and possibly one of the most consistently fine played NYE shows in the history of the Grateful Dead? After this they’ll play every NYE through 1991.

I wonder if Glenn has a recording of the whole KSAN broadcast? How about it Glenn?
(apparently not to be confused with Gary! do your research ;)

Speaking about wondering.
I’m wondering if anybody has that Spirit of ’76 Bonus CD that came with Pre-Order from Dead.net?
Couple unreleased nuggets on there I’d love to get a hold of. Get a hold of me if you do :)

 Meanwhile enjoy another epic NYE show by the Grateful Dead with the Spirit of ’76.

And big shout out to wilfredtjones for being an awesome DeadHead.
Thanks man you rock!

PS - Why didn't that Here Comes Sunshine Jam happen at like every show or at least during every Good Lovin' without Pigpen? Love love love that!!!
So good.

Now, Ladies and Gentleman.. Yes!

A momentous occasion as we cruise into the 1980s here at Winterland in San Francisco.
1978 going on 1981, what you see before you is a 10, no wait 12, 12 foot long burning ember of marijuana.
Yes, let us begin the countdown…
- Dan Aykroyd Winterland 12/31/78

Brings a smile to my face, and really truly there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

This tape was in some heavy rotation when I was but a teenage Dead freak. I mean just look at these Set lists, but it was more than that back then. It was the rumors, the stories, the legends, the guests, the recording, the performances. This tape held me spell bound just thinking about everything I was hearing and everything that was happening.

Let’s give it yet another go all these years later and see what happens, it’s already got me smiling.
Like a visit with an old friend.

good ole GD

check pm and email

@Dennis

Roger that.
And back at you.
Happy Holidays!

12/31/78

I remember when the tickets went on sale they were $30 dollars apiece, we were shocked, we were paying $7 dollars to go to shows at that time. The tickets were given out through a lottery, you sent in a S.A.S.E. with your check and you either got back your check or you received tickets, we got shutout and got back our checks. The day of the show tickets wrent on sale in the box office, my brother bought one, I could have had one, I decided to stay home and watch it on TV, I was with a bunch of friends and we had a blast.
..

New Years

12/26/69 was wonderful yesterday. 12/31/69 two days ago was also super magical. I listened to 12/26/70 this morning. Will listen to 12/26/81& 12/27/81 later today.
Have listened to more Grateful Dead in 2020 than in years. Also read more books than in years. Finishing On Highway 61 by Dennis McNally. Fascinating history. Super well researched.
Peace out, no piece out.

Today is Cow Palace New Years, correct?....

....I remember when this came out on cd. Played it for a week straight. Zero complaints.
edit. Today is '78. Whelp. I better get to listening 🎶

I'm behind...

such is life..

Still, I got in 69, 72 and some of 76.