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"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

David Lemieux
October 2020

Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

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January 22, 2021 - 8:40am

#151

JoshByTheBay

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Keep on Truckin'...

Just a week away from the official release and it still seems not a single person has so much as gotten a shipping notification, putting us again in the awkward spot of "let's hope it'll come by Friday...or sometime anyways". I can't wait to hear this show and all the bonus material on it as well but let's just hope that Dave's Picks 38 won't be treated the same way *knock on wood*. I need me that bonus disc :)
January 22, 2021 - 8:36am

#152

proudfoot

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1/22/71

Sound quality isn't pristine, but you can hear and feel the good energy.

I would love love love for the 2nd set "to come up soon for air", so we can fill the air with it.

Probably one of the ones that got away. Sigh.
January 22, 2021 - 2:10am

#153

Forensicdoceleven

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June 17, 2008

I frequently hear music in the very heart of noise

50 years ago today………….

January 22, 1971
Main Gym, Lane Community College, Eugene, Oregon

Casey Jones-Beat It On Down The Line-It Hurts Me Too-Me and My Uncle-Cold Rain and Snow-Hard to Handle-Brokedown Palace-Johnny B. Goode-China Cat Sunflower> I Know You Rider

Benefit for the Eugene White Bird Clinic. Fifty years on, the clinic is still functioning. If you can, support their work………….

If you like sonic challenges, maybe this is the one for you. This looks like first set material, and all that commonly circulates. Is it even in the vault? Badly damaged/degraded soundboard, did somebody spill their electric kool-aid on it?

Attention, Chuck Berry fans. The first documented version of Johnny B Goode by the Dead was on 9/7/69, although that gig may not have been a full Grateful Dead band performance. Following that, it apparently was not performed again until this gig in 1971.

It appears that a big chunk of this show is missing, so hard to judge based on only what we have here. There are a few bright moments, but “sonic issues” make it a very difficult listen. Unless you’re a completist, you should probably skip this one…………………..

Rock on,

Doc
As soon as I hear music, something in me starts to vibrate
January 21, 2021 - 1:51pm

#154

Slow Dog Noodle

Joined:
June 12, 2007

Crow

Nicely put.
January 21, 2021 - 10:55am

#155

Crow Told Me

Joined:
October 15, 2020

What the Fox Say

Nothings lasts. No man ever steps in the same river twice. Etc.

I’ve been on the bus and off the bus at various points in my life. Because people change, and life changes, and that’s how it is with buses: there’s always another one coming.

There was a time when I could just drop everything and drive 200 miles to see the Dead at the drop of a mushroom. Then life changed. Since then, I’ve gone through periods where I listened to the Dead quite often, and periods when I was mostly interested in other things. I’ve never been bored with them, but I have gone through times when I just didn’t have time. Especially since, for me, it’s all about full shows. I’ve never been all that interested in the studio recordings, and don’t even own some of ‘em, to be honest. And while a live comp like Europe 72 can be great in its way, there is nothing like hearing the full ebb and flow of a complete show. Which takes Time.

One good thing about 2020: I had time. “Working from home” means I can put on put on music while I’m “working,” and I can manage to listen to complete shows a couple times a week. Which brought me back on the bus in a big way.

This, too, shall pass, eventually. It’s predictable that, like the Fox said he done did, I will eventually shelve the Dead for a while and binge on Ornette Coleman or P-Funk or Bulgarian folk singers. Wouldn’t have it any other way. Because, isn’t music great?
January 21, 2021 - 10:38am

#156

itsburnsy

Joined:
June 12, 2007

I had my first cheeto in 20…

I had my first cheeto in 20 years the other day, my teenage some brought some home. Nasty, can't get that damn orange stink of you for days.

Someone mentioned 10.1.94, that might be the best late show out there. 3.17.93 also good, any RFK show satisfies as well.
January 21, 2021 - 8:16am

#157

lebowski99

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April 15, 2014

2nd guitarist with Garcia/Saunders

I've been listening to a lot of Garcia/Saunders lately and seems like many of the shows in the first half of 73 have a second guitarist. I know Tom Fogerty played with them sometimes. Was he the only one?

I really like his aggressive rhythm approach. His tone blended well and seemed to urge Garcia to be more muscular as well. Just curious if someone else played in there, as well. Historians?
January 21, 2021 - 6:59am

#158

proudfoot

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August 2, 2020

January 71

1/21
1/22
1/24

yes
January 21, 2021 - 4:05am

#159

gerhard

Joined:
February 4, 2008

gone

simonrob, thanks for the clue,
really hope so too: gone for good or so
January 21, 2021 - 2:19am

#160

Forensicdoceleven

Joined:
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With love and patience, nothing is impossible

50 years ago today…………….

January 21, 1971
Freeborn Hall, University of California, Davis, California

Set 1: Cold Rain & Snow-Me & My Uncle-Smokestack Lightning-Truckin'-Dire Wolf-Hard To Handle-Sugar Magnolia (missing from circulating copies)-Black Peter (missing from circulating copies)-Mama Tried-Around & Around-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones

Set 2: That's It For The Other One >Cosmic Charlie-China Cat Sunflower >I Know You Rider-Uncle John's Band (missing from circulating copies)

One of the great unknown shows of 1971. Oh, to be stuck between the end of 1970 and Port Chester! Considering the taping technology available at the time, the longer (but still not complete) circulating version is a “not bad” audience recording that is actually “somewhat listenable”. The highlights include the coupling of Smokestack Lightning and Truckin’ (with Pigpen blowing some harmonica on both—a very rare occurrence), a typically hot 1971 Hard To Handle, a strong (and rare-for-early 71) complete Cryptical/Other 1/Cryptical suite, nicely transitioning into the only Cosmic Charlie of 1971. Plus rare performances of Dire Wolf and Around & Around (both played only three times in 1971).

A short soundboard portion (Mama Tried-Around and Around-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones) does circulate. Wonder what happened to the rest, is it hidden somewhere in the vault? Worth a quick listen………….

For a more detailed analysis, see
http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2012/07/january-21-1971-freeborn-hall-d…

OK, I don’t listen to it often, but I’m glad I have it…….

Rock on,

Doc
Patience is passion tamed

John Perry Barlow

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"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

David Lemieux
October 2020

Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

@CARLO13 - Monterey

Sweet, yeah so I guess the Collection I have is from 2003 Criterion Collections (got em from the library).

Sounds like they've up their game for the 2017 & 2020 versions.

Monterey-Carlo

That's an incredible clip - thanks for posting that. No wonder Jimi Hendrix burned his guitar having to follow that ! I'll go and have a look on Amazon and see if that 50th Anniversary is available here in England. Hopefully it is-and it would also be good if it included some Quicksilver.

I've just had a look, and I presume the blu ray 2017 release is the one with the Dead in it. Its a two disc set-but it doesn't mention The Dead in Amazons description of what's included.

10/20/84

Hey Proudfoot! I was at that show. Only have a copy on cassette. How did you get it on disc? I've been hoping for a release someday.

Having a blast spinning...

Philly 8-05-74...what a show...the China -> Rider melted my socks down...blasting on the headphones so my Honey won't say turn it down....Ha...thank you Charlie Miller...

When do they mail out DaP 37?

I'll be needing some fresh sustenance after the way 2021 started.

@MusicNow...

10-20-84 was released last November on the Bittorent sites by Charlie Miller...great sounding board...

musicnow, not later

check your PM's

@DaveRock & @Carlo13 - Monterey

@DaveRock, I believe based on what I'm discovering (after Carlo13 turned me on to it) that the 2017 Monterey Blue Ray has a 9 minute edit of the Grateful Dead at Monterey Pop which they state was - "the entirety of what the film crew shot” according to the disc menu.

Good review of that collection in comparison to previous releases here - https://criterioncast.com/reviews/blu-ray-reviews/complete-monterey-pop…

But Carlo13 mentioned that the Blu Ray version states that there's a 15 minute version of their performance on this release, which he's currently waiting to receive.

@Carlo13, did I get that right? We're excited for you to get that puppy, but probably not as excited as you are :)

EDITED with some corrections provided by @Carlo 13.

The good ole..

It's kind of confusing but the 2017 50th anniversary blu-ray edition is 3 disk with the 15 min. version of viola. and there is no 2020 version. The most up to date one which does have quicksilver messenger service by the way Daverock, is the 2017- 3 disk box.

@CARLO13

Thanks Man for the further clarification. I'm trying to get it right :)
They definitely make it hard to tell what's what.
I guess you'd need to do that to keep selling material that's been released multiple times since it's creation 53 years ago.

Speaking of...
Anybody on here have that 50th Anniversary Woodstock monster box?
Curious about that St. Stephen :)

Good Stuff.

Musicnow, I "have a friend"....

who has been very generous to me over the years with making discs.

Clarence Gatemouth Brown/ She Walks Right In

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AfayHTIt3T4. I saw Gatemouth Brown play a couple of times, killer guitar player, put on a great show.

Woodstock St. Stephen

I've got that monster box. St. Stephen sounds typical for 1969 but it's very short because after the "wishing well" verse they transition very smoothly into Mama Tried, also well played. After that, it sounds to me like they're getting ready for High Time, but maybe not, I'm not too good at guessing these things, but instead there is 11 minutes of stage banter.

Hey Musinow!

Check your PM's...

@CJM - Woodstock St. Stephen

Thanks for the Info!

I'm curious if what was released has the small splice in the beginning of the Stephen track that seems to exist in all the circulating SBDs.

I've got the SBD but would love to compare what was released in the 50th collection and in particular St. Stephen.

Would love to get a copy of their set from that release if you want to trade.

I'm sure I'd have something cool to offer or lmk if you're looking for something in particular.

LMK if you'd be interested

Another call for GD68

hot hot hot

@nappyrags 10-20-84

Any chance you can link this in a DM? I checked bt.etree.org and couldn't located it.

Monterey Pop

I just got the 2017 3-BluRay version and already had the 2009 2-BluRay version.
The 2009 version has an ‘Outtakes’ bonus material on the same disc as the main movie. It does not have Viola.
The 2017 version has the Outtakes separately on a third disc. It has Viola and it’s about 9 minutes long. The disc also has other bands that aren’t included in the 2009 Outtakes, but it seems to be snippets. Steve Miller was added, a total of 3-4 minutes, fragments of 2 songs.
Also added was 4 songs of Tiny Tim performed in the Green Room of the festival.

So, if you already have the 2009 version, the only real addition in the 2017 version that matters is Viola. And it’s pretty cool, but you can see it on YouTube.
If there is an audio upgrade, then that might be worth getting the 2017 version. Otherwise they, so far, seem almost the same.
I haven’t checked the movie yet, or Hendrix/Otis which is disc 2 of both releases.
A remastering to 4K video is meaningless compared to 1080p because the source film is not high res.
But, an audio upgrade of Hendrix, along with the addition of Viola, would make it worthwhile to get the 2017 version even if you have the 2009 version.
If you don’t have any version, then get the 2017 version. The movie is a great historical time capsule.

Checking the 2017 Outtakes disc menu:
Day 2: Steve Miller and Moby Grape were added.
Day 3: GD added.
Hunt Club added - this is the festival Green Room with Tiny Tim singing.

Just compared the video quality of The Byrds between the 2009 and 2017 versions and it looks identical.
Hopefully there is a noticeable audio upgrade of Hendrix, otherwise the 2017 version just seems like a cash grab.

PKB

http://bt.etree.org/index.php?searchzzzz&cat=8&page=150

It’s in Part 8 of the 1984 Project.

And thanks to those who have put all those Projects together.

I would love to know...

who brought VLB to the GD.

A great jamming vehicle.

BWAAAAAAA!!!!!!....buh buh buh buhbuhbuh buh buh buh buuuh buh

:)))

Check out 11/10/67

Why Proudfoot...

These guys brung it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClC_KizCpQk

@ICECRMCNKD - Monterey

Bam, I'm hip now.
I think that's what I needed to know.

Hey I sent you a PM.

@PKB

check your messages

Viola Lee Blues

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NvWvOwLCWGg Like Nappy said, the Dead got it from Gus Cannons Jug Stompers, and the way they played it was influenced by the Paul Butterfield Blues Bands version of East /West.

Thank you gentlemen

I should have clarified:

Which band member first said, "hey guys, we should do this song called Viola Lee Blues"

@Proudfoot...

It was probaly Jerry as I am sure from his earlier pickin' days he would've been aware of Gus Cannon's work which also included Minglewood, Big Railroad Blues etc

Perfect for this week

Went to pick up 3 donuts today; I get to the counter, lady tells me the couple in front of me paid for a dozen donuts for me; didn't know them may never see them again. There are some very fine and kind people in this world.
In case you're wondering, it happened at Rolling Pin Delicious Donuts, in San Bruno, Ca. highly recommended if you're in the area. Donut ease me in.

COUSINS ROLLING PIN

BROOOO ROLLING PIN = KING OF THE SOUTH BAY
Once every month I get me and my family a couple dozen donut holes they're literally the best

Awesome, cousins

Good news like that is always welcome

GOGD

Ice cream confirmed the Monterey fiasco. 9 min. Viola. The new version has much less plastic packaging which is good. I would recommend buying the new version. The jimi hendrix motherlode is worth the entire purchase. Janis and big brother are almost too good to be true. Jimi playing wild thing almost brings tears to the eyes. I wish I could copy it for you but dont have the means.

Big Brother. /Combination of the Two Monterey 1967

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LALqJzmjnaA

pkb check pms

maybe naps took care of you, but here is a copy

@CARLO13 - Monterey

Thanks Man, I'm glad you got it!

Yeah, I'd say Janis and Jimi and The Who stole the show, maybe throw Ravi & Otis in there as well.

The event that made Pop into Rock

I really enjoy the included audio commentary and the 1987 Pete Townsend interview.

Some day I'll see those fully restored nine minutes until then there's always YouTube.

I'll either have to decide to step up to BluRay or get invited to a Monterey Pop viewing party ;)

But big thanks to you and ConeKid for letting me know exactly what's out there, because I've been curious about that for awhile!

Criterion Monterey

You can also do a 1 week free trial to the the Criterion channel(Roku has it), the extended Monterey is in there; along with some great other flicks.

Mornin. all...

Wish I had a listened to what my Momma said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FHHQ84OA1M

there's a killer comp issue "The Music Never Stopped: Roots of the Grateful Dead" with a cover illustration by R Crumb ... It's a great listen...

Naps and the music never stopped

forgot about that album, thanks for the reminder.

@COUSINS OF THE…

Snap! Criterion channel

Thanks for that tip, I'll look into that for sure :)

Thank you for the reminder nappyrags

I ignored TMNS Roots of the GD when it first came out

I have interest now

Again thank you

Monterey - the original movie

Going off memory from when I last saw it, Country Joe and the Fish were the trippiest. Not much doubt that the doors of perception were open there.

Stand alone release 2021

Hopefully Dave & co. will release a stand alone release this year like the two acoustic Warfield shows, or 4/18/70 Family Dog show they released a couple of years ago. I would like to see 6/27/69 or 10/31/69 released as stand alone releases, both cool shows.

Best 1967 Footage of Grateful Dead Available

This live footage of the Dead from Monterey is Sweet!

By far the best live footage available of the band from this year.
(Not saying that much as there's very little)

Had YouTube stuff for years but quality is rough. The official release quality is the best yet. (duh)

Big Thanks to Carlo13, IceCrmCnKd & Cousins Of The… for letting me know about this source.

Free trial at the Criterion Channel recommended.
Check out the boys in this formative stage of their career if you're into that kind of stuff.
And if not.. well?!?!

Plus you can watch all of the Monterey Pop Festival and bonus stuff.

Way Stoked!!

You all rock, made my day, keep up the good work.

5 5 67

The only live version of The Golden Road I've heard

Proudfoot/ Golden Road 3/18/67 Winterland

Proudfoot, they play a great version of Golden Road on 3/18/67 at Winterland, they only played it live 3 times. 3/18/67 is a great show and I would think a great release. Great copy on the Archive.

Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion

Pretty sure the 5/5/67 date is incorrect.
I believe it's being attributed to 9/29/67 Straight Theater at this point.
There's some pretty dope blog posts about this tape and the dating of it at DeadEssays blog (I think?)

So we've got the 3/18/67 version and the thought to be 9/29/67 version.. which would make it plausible that this song got a bunch more plays than we have on tape.
1967 is a black hole for tapes.
Most under represented year?

Just goes to show how important Bear's role was in recording the Dead.
I think we can thank him as the reason we're all here today.
Thanks Bear!

Yes to 3-18-67

I think "Same Thing" with Pig on vocals is on So Many Roads set -- excellent sound, do I recall Jer on slide?

Let's have it!

gotta listen to 3/18/67 again, if a The Golden Road is on there

the disc i have (labelled 5/5/67) has The Golden Road into New Potato Caboose (with Bobby saying at the start of NPC something like, "this one's for Lahklin")

"everybody say, 'PRIMATE'!"

9/29/67 I recall Mickey saying it was his first show with them, and "we really did play Alligator for 2 hours!"

That's my memory, at least

@Proudfoot Golden Road

Yeah, you'd probably dig the thinking behind dating that show as 9/29/67.

A lot of the thought process is based on that comment by Bob and the Dance, Dance, Dance comment.

It's kinda fascinating to a geek like me.

I'll have to look for the link.
* "I'll tell you exactly what's going on up here so nobody has to wonder anymore." - Jerry
"Lay it on me." - Bob
"We're Stalling.." - Jerry
* My favorite banter ever.

In the meantime 3/18/67 is always worth listening to again!

Enjoy :)

EDIT - Links -
DeadEssays - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2018/06/1967-show-list.html
Here's what they say -
This tape circulates dated “5/5/67;” there is one drummer. Deadbase 50 suggests this tape comes from 6/15/67, but 9/29 is the likeliest date: Weir dedicates a song to (Chandler) Laughlin, who’d just gotten out of prison on a drug bust and been hired as a DJ by KMPX; Weir also alludes to the ‘drop out and dance’ poster.

That links to LIA's research in regards to this show and their comments are here -
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/1967-dead-tapes.html?showComment…

IMO LIA's research and logic is solid, dude is my hero. So thorough.

just cuz I'm not into work today...

9/29/67

I was 3.5 year old boy somewhere in the Midwest.

TOTALLY oblivious to the GD, of course.

2/25/66 (labelled as such) happened when I was TWO freakin' years old.

Wow.

cool!

thank you, Good Ole'!

Totally Unrelated to this Wonderful 60's stuff buuutt...

Anyone have any idea for when they'll begin shipping this for pre-orders? Just curious cause dead net = snail mail at this point. Other than that, we REALLY need an Ark Box Set *love the Viola Lee from 4/21* and MUCH LOVE!

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