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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    I thought that Jesse Jarnow book was excellent - one of the best books I've read on the subject.
    There were a few good books on Psychedelia that came out about 5 years ago. A British equivalent to "Heads" might be "Albion Dreaming" by Andy Roberts. "Psychedelia and Other Colours" by Rob Chapman is also excellent, covering both America and Britain.

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    Yeah

    Can you imagine: not only playing for folks who have little or no idea what your about, but also many/most who don’t speak the language! Yet after almost every set and especially at the end, you can hear the crowds love it!
    The power of music, the real language, the real form of communication!
    Amazing!

    EDIT: Heads, is that book any good?
    I have it but haven’t read it yet?

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    Oro.. good job, you must not sleep much.

    DRock, I'm sure you are right. Beyond the few Americans that ventured East for that tour.. most did not fully understand what their tickets brought them. SimonRob was at Bickershaw, not sure if he reads this thread though. I also wonder how prevalent the psychedelic scene was. Jessie Jarnaw speaks a bit about the travelling circus and when / how it evolved in his book, "Heads." Beyond the few that were exposed early on and could afford the travel with no work, it wasn't until a little self-sustaining economy emerged before it became widespread. By 81, a few, but 90 quite a few.. we probably all know one (Lemieux for starters.. still in college)

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    One thing about the European tour in 1972, was that they weren't, as far as I know, playing to Deadheads. I seem to remember one of band said in print that the Newcastle crowd was the coldest one they had ever played to. I would think that most of the people who saw then that night lived in, or fairly near Newcastle itself. Didn't the crowd at one of the shows head for the exit after the first set, assuming that the gig was over? That also suggest an unfamiliarity with The band and their way of doing things.
    If this is true - it certainly didn't harm the music. It may have affected the way they played - and for the better.
    Having said that, I don't know when the Deadhead culture started in America - by which I mean when people travelled the land to see them. Up to a certain point they must have been playing to new people in The States,too. People who had no pre conceived idea of what they were like, but just went along because it was a rock gig. By 1990 everyone at Wembley seemed to be a Deadhead. I can't remember 1981 being quite like that.

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    Oh ooo smell my underwear” 🎶

    Yep, just finishing 5/3 for the first time ever, and I still don’t have any damn time.
    So I’ve been listening, sometimes multiple times, in order, but I haven’t had time to keep track.
    Oh well, guess that would be more like actually being on tour.
    4/11 was a first time listen for me. Another great E72 outing but it felt like they let go of the stick a tad after perhaps grabbing it too tight at the Wembleys? I’m guessing back in 72 in some of these locations there wasn’t much media etc. But the bigger gigs, like the first ones at Wembley probably had a level of attention and possibly sales via that attention, that might have made them, aaa, not stressful, but, would definitely like to start right. Add to that the natural energy of itching to play etc, and yeah, can see how Wembley got the freight train and perhaps Newcastle received a more loose presentation? I definitely noticed more miscues, start offs like Jack Straw, Good Lovin, others. Now they all grooved past these brief moments, and delivered fine versions, but maybe they show a loosening that facilitated elsewhere?
    Like an unusual Truckin and jam that covered some cool ground including King Solomon’s teases/coincidences? and some free jazz like moments (think Phil might of been quoting some actual song too?).
    Another sweet suite, including a decent CAT, though I think the 4/26 is perhaps the bar? Nice to hear, especially as a change from the repetitiveness. Same with the even rarer Brokedown!
    4/14s a blur at this point, they start to expand out more I guess, in several ways…
    A nice DS, and a big pork fest ending. All good, but I find others more to my liking?

    4/16, yes, agree, always felt there was something just a little different about this one. Perhaps being such a small informal, perhaps totally away from the spotlight! A brief chance to vibe like the ole daze, perhaps?
    4/17 is just too much of a monster overall. Perhaps why I think this may be the first time I’ve done the whole show in one listen? I have the DVD, and Ive spent time with that 3rd set etc. So that was a treat to be sure! I’ll prolly go back and hit the dvd of there and Bremen after, but for now I want to go in order…
    First time Ive just listened to 4/21, though we saw the Shakedown stream. Actually hit this one a few times. Love the stop and restarts, another cool inside look.
    4/24 is another that feels a little more aaa, whatever the vibe I can’t name is, not stress, or pressure, their certainly having fun, but like Wembley, and the first non English speaking audience gig, that tenseness, yeah, that’s the ticket, tenseness, the good kind!
    I think Phil especially was emotionally invested a tad more in the German gigs, and man does he and the boys take care of bidness! There’s a reason this was the first complete show they released…
    And of course there’s a big reason they released parts of 4/26! Another freight train!
    But I had never down the whole show until now, and was rewarded with good versions obviously left off only due to space required for 2 disc chop job. So that was cool.
    4/29 I think I’ve heard the whole show at least once, I know I’ve heard the second set multiple times, though not the encores, until now! Another sick show and big DS, and a proper Caution Pork fest to close. I’ve really been enjoying the 2 Souls, Chinatowns, amazing Hurts Me Toos etc, but not so much the Good Lovin, Lovelights? Not dislike, just think that stuff doesn’t resonate the same to this old guy as it did the young one lol. Just burnout?
    All good, just really noticing the other goodness more. But the Cautions have always been a big draw for me on this tour, and this one’s a beast.
    5/3 was a first time for me, today. The whole damn show just sounds like the actual E72 album (streamed version)?
    Like the sound of it, it sounds like E72!
    The reverb etc. I’m sure having? 4 I think songs on the album from this show probably has something to do with it, but I kept chuckling about that reoccurring feeling. So many songs on this one could have been on the album. It’s a strong show, and by now you can feel the subtle morphing of band and songs into one that’s taking place over the tour.
    It would be cool to take all the versions of each song and listen to just them in order!
    None more so perhaps than He’s Gone! But that’s a task for another time, which I don’t have enough of to do this proper, let alone all that lol, but at least I’m finally getting to em all and enjoying the ride!
    ONWARD!

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    1stshow - I was going to jump ahead to Paris this weekend - the shows, not the city - but I think maybe I should give Aarhus another spin after reading your comments. I can remember it's good, but I'm damned if I can remember why!

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    Three more down, seventeen to go, lol.
    All excellent shows. It's hard to find fault in any of these mammoth first sets but Aarhus (4-16-72) hit the spot for me of the three. Had great song selection, pace, and order of the songs was more to my liking. The second sets are where the special goodies are so far in every show. I'm particularly impressed with how Keith really shines especially on Pigpen's songs. His beer barrel style just fits perfectly. Yet his jazz chops are evident too as in the Dark Stars. Donna seemed particularly "engaged" on 4-14 at Newcastle and Bob is definitely going to lose his voice by the end of the tour at this rate, lol. Aarhus had a stately smooth feel to the whole thing which I found to my liking and would put it at number two of the five I've done with 4-7 Wembley still in first place.
    Discovered I had on tapes the Stepping Out release which looks to be an odd compilation ala the road trips and I also had Hundred Year Hall on tape, which was not a complete show release BITD. Gotta look through my tapes more often! Also had burner CDs of Rockin' The Rhein which I had also completely forgotten. Has four CDs with the Academy of Music filler so likely a whole show. Can't go there, got to stay in order.
    That's the news from EU. Cheers to all

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    Dennis.. tried this, it did not work for me. Kayaking is proving tricky also (I keep going in circles), but I'm working on it. Your friend Hound Dog played with six fingers.. imagine the chord work and finger picking that could be done, a 16.67% increase in productivity. Cheating to be sure, but man he could play the blues. Interesting side note, a friend of mine's wife was born with six fingers and I think toes. So was her daughter. The had the extra digit removed shortly after birth.

    Somehow Jerry got by with 9 1/2 fingers. After burning his hand, Django Reinhardt had basically two working fingers on his right hand and he more than got by and was a big influence on Jerry, especially circa 1973.

    Thanks for pointing me towards that youtube. That black and white looks more like 1923 than 1973 until you see that Fender looking guitar. Great stuff. Convinced me to get that Natural Boogie LP, but I seem to have misplaced the PIN of your wife's card. If you'd be so kind to send me a PM. I don't want it to sell out while it's still in my cart.

    As you were.. on to the second set of 9/6/80 for my afternoon hike. Life is good.

    Edit: Looks like Hound Dog played a pair of Kawai-made Kingston S4T's, so not exactly a Fender but a similar looking headstock.

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    If you were left handed you'd have nowhere to put your slide if you did that .

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    I would give my right hand to play well.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 06:42

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Well, Keith's last and Brent's first show that this band is still Truckin'

Pretty amazed at how quick Brent assimilates into the band, but then again Keith did that too.
Musicians!

If you listen to the 4/19/79 rehearsals, it sounds to me like the band is stoked to be playing and changing things up. Lotsa clowning around and jamming.

And 4/22 is solid. Killer Other One and yeah that Passenger is on fire.

Might have to dust off DaP V23 on it's anniversary and head down to Eugene ala '78.

Unless somebody got another Pick to kick.

When's that DaP V37 shipping... should be soon, no?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 07:16

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Yes, GOGD, we are a week out from the released on date of next Friday. Given how the shipping went last year, I won't predict when we will receive it. I am hoping by next Friday, but not counting on it. I would think Dave's video will be released next Friday when the individual copies go on sale.

Let's do Dave's 23, it is a great release.

Stay well.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 07:16

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....i just listened to this show the other day, but I'm game for a revisit.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 07:46

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Roy Neary - [contemplating the lump shape]

Sweet!
I don't think I've given this much play since I got it.
Maybe a quick once through.

I should probably watch Close Encounters again.
Don't think I've seen that since I was a kid.

Thanks VGuy for taking one for the team and DeadVikes for the refresh on the new release deets, getting excited!

I'm in. Getting a late start, but taking an unplanned half day from work and loading up the truck for an adventure. We have good temps and good snow, heading for the backcountry for a day of solitude, music and unbelievable scenery.. plus I will be getting a good workout which is hard to do in the winter of covid. If I see another person where I am going, it would surprise me.

Good thing and thanks to you guys.. I will have some good tunes (and more than a healthy buzz)

Be good all.

One last comment.. it's refreshing how we just breezed through the last show with Keith/Donna and the first show with Brent without anyone making some ridiculous or offensive comment. Productive and sane comments about two great periods of Grateful Dead music.. and no one caught there hair on fire and no one stunk up the room in stupid incendiary comments.

Thanks all.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 08:30

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Mark me down for it. (I’m down with it) the new expression must have been born from the older.
Waiting to add to the discussion when the 50th anniversary of the Capitol Theater shows roll around. I hope those will be Picks of the Day next month.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 08:42

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I had the incredibly good fortune to be there

I still have a piece of paper I wrote on after the show. it reads:

I WAS THERE
MAGIC STRUCK!
7/13/84
Documented!
I WAS BEYOND
I SAW!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 08:55

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Proudfoot, I was there too, what a blast!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 09:12

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Plangent/Norman, for sure, but let’s get the multi-tracks out! Those capital shows are a good example of how (FOR ME) good multi track sources take shows I wouldn’t necessarily consider, and make them go toos!

CARLO: 😀

Yassss....release it ALL!

GOGD: it’s called practice, that and being enthused! That was alooonnng show! You could tell they were itching to play, but seems like anytime they rehearsed regularly, good things happened. I was at Vince’s first show and was surprised how integrated he already was. All three had what?...a month to learn enough to do gigs....yeah, that’s called practice!

DV: hey, as long as it arrives...

JIM: so it was you up in NW merry land who got the magic ticket!...this is just your cover story for disappearing!
But before you go buying that Elmondo-grosso water bed, barko lounger with magic fingers, and the Jensen turntable with the Pickering cartridge, or the leather bond edition of the entire playboy collection featuring Hugh Hefner.....shmuck....with that kinda cash you could probably buy the vault! Just saying....; )

7/13/84: yeah really need that, 12/31/81, 1/10/79, and 1/20/79......but I’m sure no tapes : (

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 09:38

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.....I stopped Eugene and going with Proudfoot's pick.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 11:44

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Great 1st set. The only reason I can think that this show hasnt been released, is because they are saving it for a Greek Box set, because this show should have been released along time ago. I dosed at this show and washed it down with a bottle of Bergungdy, that was the progam back then. On to set two.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 14:48

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Sounds just as good as it did 37 years ago, Im glad I was there. The show pretty much speaks for itself, it was definitely fun. Great pick Proudfoot.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/22/2021 - 15:09

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I finished McArthur Court, I should be able to squeak in at least the first set of 7/13/84.

Ha.. no, OroB. I do not have the magic ticket, but I know the town the ticket was purchased at quite well. It wasn't far away from where I went to college. Back then it was a dry on Sunday county (that changed decades ago), but we used to go to this rundown bar in Lonaconing called Truly's. If you knew the secret word they would sell you beer on Sundays. It is a tiny, dirt poor town in the Appalachians. If you blink.. you will miss it and the people there have been dirt poor ever since they shut down the coal mines about 100 years ago.

My mind is spinning knowing someone that was more than likely way below the poverty line is now walking around town with 3/4 of a Billion Dollars in folding money in their wallet.

My advice.. don't spend it all in once place.. or better yet, Californy is the place you aught to be so load up the truck and move to Beverly (Hills that is..)

Edit: For anyone with interest, some history. Look for The Big Vein, and for VGuy, it's got a Cumberland (or two)..
http://www.miningartifacts.org/Maryland-Mines.html

Lot a poor man got the Cumberland Blues..

...who mentioned Stockhausen, but I have got a few albums authored by him. Of the music I have got "Gesang Der Junglinge" is the most startling. Quite scary if you are feeling sensitive.

I actually saw him live once. He made the single most offensive comment I think I have ever heard at a live concert. And I speak as one who saw numerous punk gigs between 1976-1978. People seemed initially stunned , then started booing. It was an odd concert all round - the music off one of his albums-"Hymnen" was played.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 04:18

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If you like vocal music I would recommend ‘Stimmung’. A fascinating piece for six voices.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 07:41

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On the DVD ‘Dawn of the Grateful Dead’ TC says that he and Phil were into Stockhausen.

I always thought Seastones, more than most electronic music recorded by rocks groups that I have heard, seemed to be influenced by Stockhausen. And lest we forget, he was on the cover of Sergeant Pepper.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 11:43

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....I'm playing Dave's 24 Berkeley 8.25.72. Dive on in. The waters fine.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 12:19

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I finally just did 3/20/92. Was @ but hadn’t gotten around to it, or much of boxilla...
I remember this being a good show and it was ; )

1/22/78: hadn’t heard this one pretty much since it came out. Played it a ton then as I was home liquidating the folks estate for 2 months and only had limited number of shows with me. Yeah, that show helped me through many a long day!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 12:37

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Love that release!!
Was just swimming in another excellent Other One meltdown from 7-1-73 Universal Amphitheatre -
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/07/01.
Earlier this morning was listening to some Stockhausen. New to me and I was blown away at how completely out there it was. 1950s??!!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 01/23/2021 - 14:12

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I was lucky to start a new job in the middle of December. So busy being a new guy and learning the ropes!!! I did listen to 2/22/74 Winterland and the 7/13/84 show but only set II... I have to agree they missed the boat by releasing 2/24/74 as a stand alone.. Bob t

....it delivered.
That Friend Of The Devil is pure butter.
Congrats on the new gig Bob T. You sound positive, so now I do too.
First measurable rain occurred yesterday in Vegas since 4.20.20. It was a welcome deluge.
Makes sense. Snow flurries forecast next week.
Cold Rain and SNOW!!! Lol

I am a big fan of this show. I listen to it a lot and it never disappoints. This was part of the ABCD transaction as well as the three previous nights. Black Peter, Birdsong and Truckin never disappoint in 1972. Nice work Vguy!
Good to hear from you Bob t and congrats on your new gig. Did you tell your new employer you need time to listen to the Dead?

Hopefully next week we will all see a new show in the mailbox.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 06:24

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Great show from start to finish, very enjoyable. My brother went to 8/24/72. This whole run would have made a nice box set.. Great pick!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 11:50

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(which is not beneath me).

Stolen from the other thread (the subscription page?). It's doc inspired. I see no reason not to let the sun shine on the 50th anniversary of this date in GD history.

1-24-71 Seattle Center Arena

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 16:37

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Jim, I going to check it out, it might have to be tomorrow morning. Looks like a short show or some of the material is missing.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 01/24/2021 - 17:36

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is on archive

Full show

I think it is one long set

Good playing

Satisfying like a good pizza

50 years ago today here in Seattle

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 08:51

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Cool show, Pig Pen sounds really strong. Because of the two drummers, I don't associate this with being a show from 1971, since most of 1971 they only had one drummer.. Cool pick.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 10:43

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Looks like there isn't a show up for today yet. There's been a good amount of '79 lately, and I propose continuing the Brent era party with a fall show at a long time favorite venue, the Spectrum.

https://archive.org/details/gd79-11-06.sbd.miller.29735.flac16

This one is noteworthy to me because of Phil's relative volume in the mix.

This was Road Trips 1.1 that i missed on the first go around. I'm hoping to pick it up from Real Gone when they re-release it.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 11:09

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second set

the first two tracks are sstteellllaarr

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 12:19

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Okay Slow Dog, let's get that one going. Thanks for the pick.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 14:09

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Perhaps my favorite 79 show...definitely my favorite one released!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 01/25/2021 - 20:04

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After enjoying 10 1 and 14 94 i got out 6 13. Pretty paint by numbers, but with a nice Terrapin and Morning Dew.

Space went on a bit too long, to be honest

I for one like the 94 sound. Show intensity varies, of course.

27 years ago....SHEETMON.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 06:28

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There was something magical happening 53 years ago in Seattle.

Epic Alligator

1/26/68 is worth a spin.

Would have loved listening to these shows with Dick Latvala!

Anybody got a line on Dick talking about the PNW '68 shows shoot it over.
He had to have something to say about them.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 06:50

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I could easily do this show today... but I am not seeing any versions that circulate.

Did some of this come through on the found 8 track bonus material on the 2/14/68 Road Trips??

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 07:19

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My disc says 1 22 68, not 26

As does archive, after a quick look

fwiw

Eagles is still there...I drive past it every so often

and I dreeeeeeam...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 08:35

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They played there and some (all??) of it was recorded on early multi-track 8 Track tapes. It would be wild if any of this surfaced in a full show format.

Or, since GOGD is the only known person to have 1/26, he must be the one sitting on these master reels.

Cough them up GOGD, rumor has it an angry mob is gathering at the Piggly Wiggly's down the street.. They want your tapes, give them to us before it's too late. We need more 1968!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 09:00

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Listen to... this :)

Yeah, I forgot that show circulates as 1/22/68, I thought the date had been changed in the listings.
There's speculation around the date and they've always been confusing.
I'm pretty sure those shows happened on 1/26 & 1/27/68 based on the posters that exist.

So 1/22 or 1/26/68, give it a spin. Alligator!

And... no missing master reels.
However, I'll tell ya a story....
My kid's friend's Dad (say that a bunch) saw the show on 2/4/68 in Ashland that doesn't circulate.
Can't even imagine Ashland in 1968 with the GOGD!
Must've been a riot.

Super small town at the base of Mt. Ashland & it still felt like it was off the map in 1995ish.
I used to live next to the College campus back in the mid '90s.
It was an awesome party house and it's there that I threw the biggest Halloween Rager ever one year!!
It was off the hook, this guy fell off the roof a riot broke out.
Ashland had a party vortex going on, probably still does.
Ah youth.
Good times, great oldies.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 12:43

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What a cool show, start to finish. This one should definitely be an official release. 3rd Dark Star, 1st China 🐱 ever. Excellent pick GOGD, I've never heard this one before. I would love to see the whole The Great Northwest Tour released, I know people say that not all the tapes are there, but the only people that really know are the people that work in the vault, so hopefully these tapes will all show up as other tapes have that were supposed to be missing. Again, killer show, all the releases from 1968 have been compete knockouts.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 01/26/2021 - 13:00

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BTK - one of my favorites!
Stoked to turn you on to it.
Agree that the PNW '68 tour would be a cool release.
I'm partial to '68.

As for the tapes in the vault, I'm pretty sure what circulates came from the "Honeymoon Tapes".
Which, if you don't already know about, I'll tell you.
Lay it on me.
From what I've read, the tapes were swiped from Gans' hotel room while he was on his honeymoon.
I believe Gans had made copies of them from the Vault to review for the show.
And that's how they began to circulate.
Happy to hear otherwise, or more deets if anybody has them.
But that's what I heard / read.

I always liked that story. Not because of the theft, but just because I find it interesting how these tapes get out.

Anyway, Glad you got to hear it BTK, that pick was for you!

Nice show Slow Dog. A lot of great shows in 79 and some not so hot. .....
Always interesting to hear those early versions of Easy To Love You. Man, Brent's voice went through a lot of changes throughout the years.

And the sound quality on this one is fantastic. Love it.