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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #861
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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

  • #862
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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 08:16

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Looking at 4/26/72 today. Frankfurt.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 09:59

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Goodness. Epic.. This might take the better part of the rest of the day. That jam from GDTRFB into Lovelight is such a bright sunny place to spend some time. TOO, on the Other hand.. takes one to some dark, isolated places...

Thanks DV. Got a text last night or the night before from a buddy who has been spending an excessive amount of time in the Europe 72 and June 76 boxes.. both happy places.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:01

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I have music on (gently in the background) most of the time, 90% GD.

anyway, my pick of the moment is 3/13/82. (I just heard a happy surprise in that show)

Earlier it was 8/30/85...a bland affair for me, to be honest. But it was Texas in late August; Jerry was at 300+ pounds; etc.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:24

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....I wish. I'm still considered essential. That sucks because covid has been running rampant at my work. Wash your hands and take a step back or I'll kick you in the junk.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:07

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Should we start to feel sorry for the female employees where you work? (or at least the non-handwashing, close talkers - you know who you are!)

On the bright side.. you are essential. My mom would surely put the 'You Are Essential' letter up on the fridge for all eternity... right next to my 7th grade report card. The one with the A's and S's.

I know.. we always get punchy right before Lemieux's big reveal.... I am probably in the minority that wishes we did not know the contents of the first two releases each year. I like the surprise...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:21

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I get more of a kick out his video reveals than any human should. It started early on when his 'Distracted Dave' persona first bubbled up. He could easily spend 2/3 of the video talking about seagulls and birds of prey. I don't think there has been a single seaside chat where there wasn't some aspect that amused me way more than it should. High points are the balancing on pointy rocks at the edge of the tidal pool (or was he log rolling, it's hard to tell) and the fly fishing, sasquatch hunting video. I think it's safe to say Dave knows the meaning of fully caffeinated.

Have a turbo charged day all.. We need a new release.. Dave, if you're reading, please upload the April 78 video.

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Submitted by One Man on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 17:50

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Currently grooving to the Origins vinyl. It's a too-rare window into 1968. Audio is panned to the extreme, and apparently this was Healy's idea, not Owsley's. I'll blunt edit that Side A to Side B flip. Coming at you soon, ICK.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 19:05

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No 36 yet. I did get an email stating something to the effect they are looking in the warehouse for my Dave's Picks 36 and would let me know when they resolve the issue. A pretty benign and vague acknowledgement that there was an issue with no specific remedy mentioned.

I'm fine to wait so long as they make good.

Is that One Man I see showing some support for the home town? Right on.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:08

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Im gonna raise a fuss
Im gonna raise a holler

GIVE JIM HIS DAVES 36!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:11

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Seeminly interminable
You gotta be dosed to fully get it

Or so my cynical cell sez

6 19 94

13 minutes of Space so far

AAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:50

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RIP Frau Blucher aka Cloris Leachman. A true talent (add horses whinny'ing in the background). A class act that rarely failed to make me laugh.

As for 36, it's fine.. I have the music, the rest is just paper and plastic, plus.. I have to believe it will come. They might not be quick but almost all the time they make good. They know it didn't make it's way, I will give them a chance to make good.

adequately buzzed (thump, the sound of head hitting pillow).

Tomorrow?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:09

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I'd like to check out your Origins edit when you're done :)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:16

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Lotsa Acoustic talk in the air.

Figure I'll add some :)

Stumbled into 12/26/69 and thought some of you all might enjoy checking it out.

2nd Acoustic set?
Some rare gems and early Workingman's stuff.
Great Dark Star (rough reel flip)
Early NSB (20 days after Altamont)

Good stuff

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:06

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White Rabbit Goddammit!

Whoever you are Mister White Rabbit we'll identify you yet.
This guys been following us around for five years.

Strider were you in Europe 72?
(just kidding, I don't think you were, but there's somebody yelling White Rabbit in the crowd sounds a bit like you.)

What a show, haven't listened to 4/26/72 in forever.
Chinatown Shuffle listen to ole Jer!
Top of their game.
Fun Pick DV, digging it.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:18

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I remember hearing the band commenting on that request on a few shows

interesting since I chose to start the musical day with Jefferson Airplane (Baxter's though, not SP.)

"in green sun
on blue Earth
under warm running shower"

PS: I am not a robot, but I am a White Rabbit. HAHAHAHA...haha...ha....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:48

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Agree with GOGD and Jim on this one. What a barn burner. I think it has been about 4 years for me as well on this show.
The Truckin is awesome into The Other One, Comes a time and of course the epic Lovelight into GDTRFB! So good.
And I have always wondered who was keeping those charts in Turlock California? I would love to see that show Truckin as #1.
Seaside chat tomorrow?
Man, it seems like forever. Still no tracking notification over here.

Everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:57

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I always took this as a joke. A joke Bob could say with a straight face and get away with in a 1972 Europe.

Turlock is sometimes referred to as The Trucking Capital of the World. Probably just a branding thing or a slogan for a trucking company. So there you have it.

Was Truckin' #1 in Turlock CA? Perhaps, but I am doubtful. Will we ever find out? Now what fun would that be.

that space on 6/19/94 is almost 20 minutes long.

were they trying to trip us out, or make us crawl out of our skins? Perhaps both.

20 minutes of blip blip brooooooot? or 20 minutes of Alligator? which would you rather hear?

(if you can't tell, I am avoiding work. Be an adult, Proudfoot...be an adult.)

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:15

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Maybe a few of them, but I think some of their best songs are from the late era: Days Between, Lazy River Road, Black Muddy River, Picasso Moon, Built to Last, Foolish Heart, Broken Arrow, all great.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:22

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WOW, what a cool acoustic set, I've never heard this one before. Masters Bouquet, only time they ever did it, Stanley Brothers tune. GOGD, thanks for another cool pick, you're really mining the gems this week, between this and the 1968 show , both are knockouts and future releases. 4/26/72, great pick Dead Vikes, this one is an all time classic, great from start to finish. I always felt the peak periods for the Dead were 1968, 1969, 1970 & 1972 when Pig Pen was still in the band. Bob Weir said that they were the "deamon band" in 1972.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:40

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wave to the wind
easy answers

latter day songs that I find palatable:
Eternity
Way to go home (once in a while, just not every show, please)

I can't recall how "if the shoe fits" or "childhoods end" go...I do know part of one of those. but which is which?

ah. if the shoe fits. ok tune.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 14:43

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Yes, a sweeping statement. I do like Lazy River Road a lot.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 08:46

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Thanks a heap for that link. A quick suck and down.

side note, when you download it watch your file name path, track 6 filename is as long as a filename can be, so if you try to extract to a folder with a long name it may not fit. Had to put mine on desktop temporary.

NOW - This is not the LP that came with the book, correct? Does any have or have converted their copy of the LP to a digital format? Can a guy get a digital copy? My LP is on the shelf, my turntable still not up and running!

Thanks all and enjoy.

oh yeah,,,, got (yet another) email from dead.net/rhino/wmg,,,,, my volume 16 45 is supposedly shipped,,,,, well see!

Has anyone gotten their Volume 16?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 09:14

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Yeah, I thought you'd be hip to jumping on that ;)

Correct, this is the sampler that went out with regular copies of Comic I believe.

The Collector's edition included the LP with 4 tracks from 8/21/68.

Keep me posted on your journey tracking that down. As I want in on that too :)

That show should probably get released in it's entirety. But..
I probably say that about every show.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 10:19

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3/9/85 I’m down, cool list...still have a tape from 2nd on 3/13. Maybe I’ll do that for extra credit. Haven’t listened to any 85 since I did summer tour this past summer...

4/26/72: did the condensed released version. Funny how E72 still amazes me. Yes I know in my head that it’s top shelf stuff, but then I put it on and they always seems to wow me when I haven’t checked it out in a while. It’s kinda like gettin’ some....you know it’s good, but if it’s a been awhile, and then you get some and REMEMBER just how good that ole thang is...don’t even need “her leg up against the wall” or a touch of mojo hand!

6/19/94: enjoyed! Nice change up after 12/26/69. Yes PF that space, TOO etc is really something. I take it it was too much for you, lol, but my weird ass loved that shite! TOO reminded me of the 72 space ones (sorta).
Throughout that whole section of show you could tell they were really getting into it, not just killing time which sometimes in later years is what it unfortunately felt like.
I didn’t think they got that out there anymore. Need to find more 90s shows with big weirdness!
I had it on while running up and dow n the stairs—(trying to get balanced audio link between my 2 main systems etc..)
—but what I heard I liked. JG sounded the good from what I’ve heard from 94, though I don’t often like the sound of that guitar.
It could be from the simulator circuitry and not using real speakers, but I’m pretty sure they started that back in 92 so I’m thinking its the guitar? Hmmm, I’ll have to look into more of that...but yeah, besides the occasional weird guitar sound, I liked it. Reinforces my need to dig into the later years.

Such a juxtaposition from 12/26/69. Really dug that too, but it’s funny how much more professional they became through the years, aided of course by tons of tech advancements. But that’s also a two edged sword as imho I felt they started eventually sounding too sterile/plastic, Bob especially got even worse about dicking around in later years.

12/26 had some cool unusual tunes along with many of the usual suspects of the era, including a short but groovy Dark Star.
Cool picks, really enjoying the variety lately!
Ok, onward to 1985!

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Submitted by bolo24 on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:12

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Home of the mighty Warriors of Stanislaus State. We used to hop on the bus for the lovely drive to Turlock every year to play them (baseball).

One year in the mid-seventies we voted their entire team to our "All -Ugly" team. Yes, we were young stupid, brash and judgemental. Lotta fun, though.

The Dead played in Turlock on 2/16/1968. Apparently not in the archive, so not much is known about the show. Heard it had a 30 minute "What's Become Of The Baby?"

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:17

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I was at this show, I do remember the Cumberland and all & all it seemed.like a pretty good show. Lotta good shows in 85 Frost , Greek & Ventura all winners.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:24

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and hasn’t missed a beat!

3/9/85s check, been dug! Nice pick, it’s no secret I love me some good 85.

I knew that 85 pick would bring you out Oroborous. It is like the call of the wild, 85? Did somebody say 85. My opinion of 85 has changed somewhat over the years. At the time, I didn't know the future. All part of the Dead story.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 18:23

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Blossom Music Center - 6/25. Great show that seems to be a bit under the radar

Hunter Seamons matrix sounds mighty fine - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=94738

Charlie Miller board also - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=108160

what's become of the baby? don't get me started . . . .

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 06:03

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In same boat as Jim, had the Blossom tape early also... Plus grew up 50 miles away so in Ohio terms that's in your back yard.... First day of winter here temperature wise. Have a good weekend everyone. Bob T

Good Call BlueCrow
I gotta shout out some Blossom love with you all too.

Those '85 Amy boards got me hooked BITD, after constant listens to Blossom & Riverbend, growing up in Ohio, I got on the bus and headed to Cincinnati and caught my first show summer '86.

Always wished I'd gotten on 1 year earlier :) But I'm pretty convinced my 15 year old Brain would've melted down into a gooey puddle, cause my 16 year old brain got mashed.

So let's fire it up!

BTW - 6/19/94 is a fun listen. It's taken me awhile and I did parts, but all that Other One talk, I had to go back and check it. Jerry had the love for Eugene, Nice!

PS - The 2018 Miller upgrade of 6/25 smokes the multi-gen tape I had growing up :)
I would've straight freaked if I coulda had this BITD... shit, kinda freaking right now. DayTripper!

ha - should have guessed maybe not so under the radar here. also had a sweet sounding tape early on - lots of energy and full crisp sound. also love the Set II opener of Gimme Some Lovin > China Cat > Rider. That rings my bell. A really fun show. hadn't thought about it for ages and then there it was yesterday - "What about Blossom?!"

6/19/94 show was big. The scene at Eugene was a bit out of control by day 3 of that run and memory says that it was already clear that Dead weren't going to be allowed back and I think that played into 6/19. Always loved the big drums> space of those latter years. If in the mood try on drumz>space at Seattle Memorial Coliseum 5/25/95 (night 2) - space led into the final Wheel. Simply and completely blown away by it all at the time. No board available - not sure which audience to go with right at the moment.