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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #7151
    Oroborous
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    Net reply, V1, and outed by Jimbo!

    Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

    VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

    DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

    Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!

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    King Solomon's Marbles > Stronger Than Dirt

    What a First Set!!

    Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

    That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
    EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

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    I Think We Should Thank United Artist & Mr. Ron Rakow

    Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

    I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

    When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

    This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

    1991 the flood gates opened
    with a trickle..

    pretty cool

    PS -
    The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
    The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
    Oh Boy!
    I love this show:)

    Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

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    Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

    Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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    8/13/75 on the radio

    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 08:51

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I caught a few but missed most of the summer '85. I did get most of them on tape pretty quickly though. Riverbend, SPAC, Merriweather Hershey (Frost and Greeks?)..

Anyway, in 85 I was pretty hurting on funds and young.. but I caught a few. FF to the early 90's, grad school and my career unfortunately took root, so less shows. Things didn't really slow down until I began travelling less, post 2010. A few summers ago I decided to start going to some of those venues I missed.. saw Further, D&C and Phil in some of those venues.. Blossom, Riverbend, the Capitol, still trying to get to SPAC.

I really enjoyed Blossom, a really sweet outdoor shed and a great place to see shows. I bet those in attendance in the summer of '85 for the most part had a special time in a great venue.

I did pull down Blossom pretty early on when the Archive started housing shows, so I have listened to it a bit in the last ten years. Been a while though so this is a good refresher and a trip down memory lane.

Anyone else window shop GD venues of old? I especially love the quaint theatres they used to play in the 70's. One day I will do a little Europe tour and hit as many of the E72 tour as I can. Since I missed that tour, why not use it as an excuse to travel and take in a little history and culture.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 10:19

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It’s funny how one ripple from no pebble tossed can suddenly open up such a wealth of memories and other threads...

DV: more like call of the Weird! ; )

BOBT: with the shout out to the hometown girl

GOGO: I feel ya, seeing 85 would of been nice, but 6/30/86 as a first show is pretty -#$&*& cool in my book. There were times I considered that perhaps my best show....I think now that was heavily situational, and you really had to be at that one...besides all the crazy zen barges and riverboats coinciding with the lyrics at EXACTLY the precise moment etc, and from what I recall it was like a DM zone after the show with perhaps more rockets and fire works zipping’ around, crazy energy, or maybe that was just us? LOL...another one that doesn’t fully illuminate itself on tape...awesome first show! and hey, much of my love for 85 comes from a huge convergence of age, tenure in the culture, venues, the scene at the time (perhaps the peak of how big and crazy it could get before it all went too far?) and of course the music.
So yeah, maybe you weren’t ready yet, or the cosmic shift hadn’t occurred? I’ve heard enough of these stories to think there’s something to some of that?
Dave talking about the 4/15/78 Passenger and about balls out almost jumping the tracks etc...that to me is 85 in a generalization. Sure sometimes there were wrecks and floundering, and yes JGs voice could at times sound like he had the worst cold ever, but what gets me is the danger, the excitement, the riding the edge, which as HST said no one really knows where the edge is except those who go over it.
Oh, that and they started bringing back some cool tunes which gave hope that they’d perhaps take back up more of their primitive form. Perhaps regress back to Dark Stars and big weirdness in general. Really liked their sound then too. It was yet another unique niche among all the years combined. It’s a shame it gets so little love.

BLOSSOM: shoulda, woulda, coulda....sigh...then again, that 2 day party in Toga might of been worth missing it?
It’s hard to decide looking back all these years?
A couple of my band/house mates went to Blossom and thought it was great. I only had the first set on tape and until I did the whole tour (4/28-7/13) last summer to celebrate the 35 anniversary, hadn’t heard the whole show. It was perhaps the biggest eye opener of the tour for me. Yeah, I knew good and well about several of the shows, but didn’t know how good Blossom was. My tape was a little too crispy so that mighta been a factor why I didn’t delve as much into it back then?

JIM/VENUES: it is cool to check out the old hallowed halls and venues. Furthur fest tour in 96 took us to several: the Gorge, Irvine, KC, Veneta, Park City, Phoenix etc that I’d not been to, and moving to Colorado brought Red Rocks, the Denver Philmore, Telluride, Rocky Grass and other cool places. Unfortunately still never been to the Greek or the Frost. Always thought Laguna Seca must of been fun?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 13:19

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Old CD-R I burned more than 10 years ago.
Still plays so far, no disc rot.

OB - I dig what you're laying down. So cool we were both there all those years ago and here we are now..
wait, where are we?

And yeah 6/30/86 was a great first show.
All I can say is Gooney Bird!
It's been a helluva trip ever since, for sure :)

Ah... Maybe missing that Cryptical is what made me obsessively collect all this music.
'85 rules.
This 3/9/85 show is kicking butt too. China Cat > Cumberland.. Hot Damn!

I must give a shout out to 4/4/85, it was the first Brent Dead that I ever heard, and I love that show.
My GD mentors came back from that tour and popped in that tape and blew my mind.
Wait a minute, these guys are still touring?!?!
I gotta know more.

And yeah, I love me some venue research.
NY 1967-1971 is probably my favorite time frame for stories.
That scene was like no other from the sounds of things.

Am I right Strider?

Good times you all.
1985 is making my day!

PS - No Disc rot

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 14:30

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Yaaaahooooooo!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 15:07

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Yes

Dave, please hear my plea

Also, 80 and 81

There must some releaseable shows in there

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 07:33

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Its audience but their is a good Rob B. and charlie miller source!!! If I remember good Playing sequence and a funky Scarlet Begonias. Enjoy the snow storm everyone... Bob t

Alright, I am going to check it out Bob t. Thanks for the pick.

Interested in what you all think of #37? Still no tracking here.

Stay well.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 09:26

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glad to give 7/21 a spin!

have been digging another not-so-well-known '74 show -
Olympia Halle, Munich - 9/14/74. I really really like the Usbourne matrix - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1974/09/14. nice balance and the audience adds some cool atmosphere in places. No board for first 4-1/2 songs but largely complete after that. Sweet well played show. Added bonus - a complete Seastones!! ; )
If folks aren't familiar with this show highly recommend.

folks in the snow zone have fun and stay safe. beautiful sunny day here on the mesas and in the hills of Ootah. no Dave's 37 or notice. its always a fresh shipping adventure with each release. Glad its already showing up on a few doorsteps.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 04:37

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This mini tour from Winter 78 has the amazing Uni-Dome Show.... There is a good Charlie Miller board on Internet Archive. This tour to me has a complete different feeling than April and May 78. No set yet in Rhode Island. Bob t

Uptown must be in the air as we begin some February magic :)

I was just talking about 1981 Uptown shows. (Who am I kidding, it was typing, not talking;)
Threw on the jam out of He's Gone from 2/26
Now I kinda want to listen to all of those.

But first!
I'm hip to some Uptown '78
BobT is back and on a roll.
'74 was fun yesterday.

EDIT - And look at those openers.. look familiar to anything coming in the mail?

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I'm a grandpa! Traveling this week to see our beautiful new granddaughter. And a grandson is due in April. Feeling particularly blessed today.

Speaking of happy, happy, joy, joy, I always liked seeing Jerry enjoying himself onstage. So, here's a link to one such occasion that many of you have probably seen before. An enjoyable hour, but if you just want to see the Jerry parts, he's in the intro, makes an appearance with Carlos Santana around the 13:25 mark, and with Ruben Blades around 48:24. The DVD had a bonus feature with Jerry and Carlos rehearsing - great stuff if you can find that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wh8E5SDG3I

And tomorrow is Groundhogs Day - life keeps getting better!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 15:27

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Congrats old man...will this be your first?
I wish I had grandkids....Boompa Pedro....”hey kid, pull my finger” hee-hee!
Yeah I wish I had grandkids but without having to have kids first ; )

Was decent, nice jam sequence, sound was a bit funny/distorted at times, but glad I heard it!
Doing 6/22/73 as extra credit...just cause I’m behind on this box and got sucked in by Kiethfans Shroder shreds Playing carrot....

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 19:09

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To you and your family!! Good news also makes my day!!! Bob t

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 07:53

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PROUDFOOT - I'm sorry to hear that's happening to you man. It's rough out there. Hang in there and just know we're here for you man. Everybody has to make tough choices in life, but some are harder than others. Choose well.

BTK mentioned some epic shows happening on this day in GD History (I know we don't do that here, just saying)
And yes Billy you are correct.
Listening to 2/2/69 as I type, fun hearing a young Jerry berate the crowd for being kinda lame. And then launching into a fairly blistering set of epic '69 Dead tunes. Ahh... those were the days.

As we've discussed a bit, the 68 PNW tour is a favorite.

It must've been in 1998, the Crystal Ballroom hosted a 30 year anniversary party and spun the tapes in the Ballroom real loud, and let peeps come and party.
It was pretty awesome.
The Crystal is an amazing venue and all refurbished and immaculate with a sprung dance floor that is so fun to move and groove upon.
I'm pretty sure Gans was there spinning the tapes.
At that time I hadn't heard them in quality like that if at all.
So it was mind blowing.
I was such a junior head at that time, in regards to knowledge and GD history. And my focus was entirely upon getting high and listening to music, so I did not take the opportunity to learn anything or meet anyone who knew stuff. But me and my friends sure had fun that night.
Shit, I don't even think I was using a computer yet.
Shortly after that I believe I got my first.
Darn you David Gans for being so much smarter than me!
And thank you for teaching me so much stuff about this band, you sir have been a guiding light to many good times.

And lets not forget that gem that DL released with 2/2/70, I need to refresh my memory on those tapes, but wasn't that just a partial SBD floating around before it's official release?
I love it when that happens.

Fun Memories.
Memories.
That was fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 12:37

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...went with this today as I, still trying to get acquainted with this monster. Wow, awesome Dark Star (a, aren’t they all ; )
Think Phil was slipping in some King Solomon’s licks in there, and then this mofo 73 Eyes which seems like a 74! Holy cow, now slipping into a almost up beat China Doll...
Might try for extra credit with that 8/31/80 that folks be praising on another page...not sure I’ll have time as I think I need to go to the PO for 37 since I HAVE To go to THE “store” , then decontaminate after....shits still raging here due to bad combination of tourists and locals being too cavalier.....haven’t been anywhere in weeks, but when the going gets weird...

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 13:47

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lol...

perfect phrase for breaking the GD fast

LET IT GROW

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 16:05

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We've all been there, don't be hard on yourself.

Oroborous, way to go man.. get comfy in the PNW Box. I love it.. it's one of those pieces of music where I feel it's ok not to listen to each and every song. These are long shows and repeat listens of certain sections is not always required..

Been away a lot these last few days. ..so my listening was often determined by what was on my device at the time. Having a blast in the Mid Atlantic. Can't wait until fun can be had with people again god forbid crowds and amplifiers.. but making the best of here and now.

Be good all.. stay safe, stay warm.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 18:51

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Hey Oroborous, the PNW Box continues to get better at least to my ears after each listen. Let me know your thoughts after you listen to 6/26/73. What a show!

That Other One/Me and Bobby McGee to the Other One is wild!

Enjoyed the 78 show Bob t and the audience recording of the Hollywood Bowl, 74.
Stay well folks.
Still no tracking for this kid. Label created.....This is starting to remind of Dave's 36.☹️

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 06:26

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OB - I need to dust off that set again.
Feels like I get a release listen to it once and grok on how excellent it is..
And then dive into collecting a bunch of bootlegs and forget about the release.
Might be OCD.

If you all haven't checked out 2/2/70 in awhile, I highly recommend dusting that off.
Smoker!
Dark Star > St. Stephen > Mason's - That's just sick!
Good times.

I'm hoping my POD will be DaP V37 based on the tracking text I just got, says between 11:30-3:30.
I guess we'll see.

Starting off the day with some Ace Demos, I don't think I've listened to this all the way through.
I wonder what became of "Unknown Song"
I can't place it.
A little E Minor 7 9 Modal spin 4th uh uptempo bullshit

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 11:28

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...tip toeing through the tulips of the mighty PNW.
Didn't get to the extra credit show. Faulty time, and we all know time! and I had to listen to 6/24s disc three again, man that’s some good sheet...lol what the hey, gonna hit a few songs from 24th again today including the DS....😎

Received 37 last night, but Lovey’s working at home in my office today and I always try to give each new release (at least the first virginal listen) the full proper treatment listening via the big boy chair on the big system so that’ll have to wait until manana!
So since I can tell ole DV is itching for me to hit 6/26/73 (like I needed any prodding ; ) I guess will start with that. (After that DS again lol)

Actually starting to rain here, with supposedly snow later. As much as I’ve enjoyed the easy winter, we need it bad!.
It’s been sorta cold but one of the driest winters I can remember for the 22 years we’ve been up here. Crazy the East coast etc is getting pounded and we’ve not had shite this winter. That fire was close enough to get a person thinking last year so really hoping we have a wet spring.
Point being good day to work in the basement on the Theatre. Since I can now play stuff off the music server on upper level down on the basement system etc. it’ll be a perfect day to be in the pit, and a perfect day for a long 73 show!
Trying to get my Height layer in and LFE subs going. I have some B&W speakers laying around and an extra 5 channel Mac amp I was originally going to use for the master, so might just as well travel the elegant way eh!
Main reason I’m doing this is not so much for atmos (shitty format) or movies, but for music and concert videos etc. Auro 3D upconversion for stereo or fake surround sources can be magnificent!
It’s not some crazy surround deal with like one drum coming from each speaker, but a subtle but powerful use of the psychoacoustic space that when done right can make you feel more like your experiencing a live event. I’ve only used the 2D version so far on my 6.1 set up, so I’m really stoked to play dead videos or hell anything using the 3D set up.
Ssssssllllaaaappppp.......sorry, started geeking out there hurumph...
Yeah Jim I have been cheating a bit on some of these. Like only did the last 2 discs yesterday and cut some tunes off of the first one. I know you full show purists are looking at me funny, but I have to be careful I don’t get too burnt.....
Like Eecktar’s rule of relativity states “a little bit of something is better than all of nothing”
Onward!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 20:51

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Great Post Ouro.. Love the Tiny Tim reference. We must be close to the same age, because I remember when this guy was making the rounds on TV and pop culture.

So.. as a weird mind works and knowing there was a kinship between Wavy Gravy and Tiny Tim.. plus it's midnight.. I googled Tiny Tim on Acid (seemed logical to me). I somehow thought, surely Tiny dosed.. well, I was wrong but the search brought up the quite recent article by our beloved Blair Jackson. A fairly well researched piece (no surprise here), quite informative. I knew Tiny Tim was well versed in old music, but leave it to Blair to fill the gaps and keep it all interesting. I would not be surprised if there was a closer tie to the GD than Wavy Gravy, but the hour is getting late... save some fun for tomorrow.

Thanks Oroborous for leading me on this interesting tangent. ..at least interesting to me.

https://www.ukulelemag.com/stories/the-strange-and-improbable-rise-of-t…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 06:32

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What's on tap for today.

Per Jim's suggestion yesterday I hit up Dave's #1. What a show. It never gets old to me.

Maybe we should take a look at the January 2017 Dave's release, #21? A little Boston Garden 73.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 09:05

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Did not know any of that about TT...I thought he was “acting”, trying to be that odd. Fug yeah, when the going gets weird lol. Glad I could help lol. Great article, miss his Dead stuff...
I guess for me a good day is when I throw something out there, especially if it’s weird, and it lands somewhere, and perhaps gets a little flow going. It fascinates me how/what little cues can trigger, especially with an older drug addled mind, all kinds of things that haven’t been thought of in a very long time etc.
Like Tiny Tim on TV as a lad>> Laugh In>> different characters etc>>other childhood sixties TV memories>> and on and on!
Funny I’m rehashing the weirdness from 6/26/73 TOO while watching TT videos lol. Yeah, hard to believe he never tripped. Fortunately/Unfortunately? ...gotta wonder what would of happened had he been around Owsley and the boys!
Ok, it’s time for new Dave’s, then maybe I’ll hit some of that 4/2/73. Ole DV knows just how to scratch under my collar, WOOF!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:47

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Hard to believe it has been four years since this gem came out. It never fails. Top three, in my book China-Rider, that transition is unreal. Stella Blue, man, Jerry reall is on fire. His guitar is so crisp in this recording.
Your house must rock with that sound system you have Oroborous!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:59

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Several weeks ago we were discussing the reissue of Monterey Pop on BluRay and the addition of GD Viola in the bonus material.
Also added was Tiny Tim hanging out in the Green Room for Monterey Pop (a tent actually), sitting at a table with a few people, and playing old songs.

Pretty bizarre

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 21:53

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This show is what most other shows try to measure up too. So to speak. Tiny Tim at Monterey was bizarre. He acts so tutti frutti.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 07:00

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It’s was either that or children!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:04

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Oroborous, Ha! Way cheaper your way.

Carlo, I agree. And #21 was recorded by Rex Jackson and I believe the first Dave's Picks with the tapes provided by ABCD LLC.

Okay, who has a pick for today?

Alright Vguy, looks interesting and there is a Wang Dang Doodle. On it. Thanks.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:53

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Cool, another weird little nugget you wouldn’t normally think of.
Gonna hit the 4/18/78 stuff again first...too stoned, too early, dug 37 in fine style but fell asleep during Pittsburg lol.
Then this and I still want to catch 4/2/73....yeeshk, better get busy!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:20

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Whoooah Nelly! Disc 3 of Dave's 21 (4/2/73) is one hell of a corker! Just off the top of my head (which is a lot less cluttered with hair these days,) I would have to say that this must be among the best single discs released in the whole series. Just gem after gem! I love when the madness of a jam winds down into "Bobby McGee" and the "Prelude>Eyes>China Doll" is exceptional. Wonderful stuff all around! Combine that with the greatness of discs one and two, and you have a TOP SHELF Dave's Pick!

Ok - 11/3/91? I think I will hook my new laptop up to my big boy stereo later today for some happy hour jams.

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Peace

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:41

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Big River also captured my attention for the first time on this release.

Funny how things seep out of these releases even if you have listened to them dozens of times. But seriously, Big River was a wild and crazy jam on this night a couple months shy of 48 years ago. A practically flawless version.

Great pick VGuy

Check out 2-5-70 Dancing In The Street.
Listened to it while driving to work this morning, totally hit the spot.
I think it’s filler on 2-4-70 Family Dog which I was listening to yesterday in the car.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:03

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2/5/78 Uni-Dome Scarlet>Fire...... one of those combos, where I like every version!! This one is one of my favorites!! Another random listen today is 9/11/74.... Between the Playing in the Band,,, Phil and Ned (12 minutes or so into the 41 minutes, is basically the whole band, and then Ned stays on for the entire Eyes of the World.... So 23 minutes for the Playing in the Band to end Set I, the 41 minute Phil and Ned (25 minutes or so of just pure 74 bliss) followed by 31 minutes of Eyes with Ned sitting in.... 90 minutes and basically vocals for only 2 songs..... Really wish this whole show would have been released..... Have a good weekend... Bob t

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Submitted by deadshow72 on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:10

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Great to hear the boys' impromptu occasional banter several times throughout the show. To those who tend to poo poo First Sets, give this one a listen and you'll surely see the light! Dark Star>Wharf Rat>DarkStar>Me & My Uncle to close out, can it be? - YES, the FIRST SET.

Not quite through the Second Set just now, Question: was this Playin' In The Band the first time played?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:47

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Nice show Vguy. Sound quality on this one is A+. Fun to hear the guys with Fogarty. Born on the Bayou! Neal Young with Forever Young, nice surprise and Touch of Gray to end the show. Nice!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 06:13

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Pick-let of the day . . . .how about the partial second set from 2-19-73 - monster sequence and great sound. Like starting your day with some good, strong, fresh roasted coffee and a slice of homemade strawberry-rhubarb pie. Would love for the rest of this show to surface.

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/02/19 (Miller board)

Been awhile since I listened to 4/2/1973, need to cue that up for a deep listen.

Senator Oro - I think you mentioned Gimme Some Truth a few days ago. By chance last week was streaming Undercurrents Radio and they had a triple shot - Bless You, #9 Dream, Every Man Has A Woman That Loves Him. It all sounded amazing to me (just now the trumpet on Bless You!!) So I've been streaming parts of that compilation last little while - don't own any of Lennon's solo work. Really dig it.

edit - 11/3/91 somehow I've never listened to this. on it! and . . .

Onward!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 08:46

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Was the first live performance. I was there that night a few rows (4th or 5th) from the stage. Attended the following three nights also. Fifty years ago I refrained from smoking ganga for the three weeks leading up to that night. Was also jogging regularly and starting to clean up my diet. Smoked hash before the show. Almost got jumped/mugged hanging out at the side of the theater. Port Chester was also the home of Homelite Chainsaws. 1971, was also my first time to Oregon. Also the same year the film adaptation of the Ken Kesey great American novel “Sometimes A Great Notion” was released, with powerful performances by Henry Fonda as Henry Stamper and Paul Newman as Hank Stamper. One of my all time favorite books that I read my first time living in Oregon summer of 1972. I also loved the movie. “Never Give A Inch” (correct spelling from book and movie)

Hope you don't mind a question re personal history. Curious as to how you made the jump from NY to Oregon back in the day. Older brother? Solo on instinct? Seems like you were into the Dharma Bums trajectory a little?

Speaking of Gallup, a close friend of my parents was life-long in the railroad and when newly married was stationed there (ran the local operation?) for a few years back in late 50s early 60s i think. He spoke of it fondly, but I never really tried to get a deep history. He passed on a couple months ago - missed opportunity.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 11:27

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11/3/91: fun little show. Just exactly the kind of off the beaten path kinda nugget that I might never find if not for this forum, thanks Vguy!
4/2/73: been sort sneaking around this one last couple days. Unfortunately been distracted for most but had a ear to ear grin session after finally settling down, sitting down and melding with disc 3 as I was messing with the Theatre system, so listening with Auro 2D on a 6.1 channel system while tweaking my LFE sub. I used my old Bass cabinet with 2 15” JBL E140s in custom Hard Truckers style cabinet, powered by old Crest FA901 amp from my playing days. I’m also using my old Furman crossover as the bass management in my MX 123 pre-pro is a little disappointing for the price point, but it does sound real nice!
So I’ve had mixed results with movies and not been able to get things where I want, so figured I’d tweak with some good sounding Dead and see what happens lol.
Well started getting things real nice pushing those amps and by the time Casey Jones came round I’m grinning like a maniac and it’s loud but clean and still headroom and if- I- Could- just- squeeze- a, little- more- right- now as they kick into the finale crescendo, holy shit that’s.......what?....?....rut ro...oops, the misses (all ready in a fine mood lol) is now trying to get my attention from the top of the stairs and didn’t really hear/comprehend much except;
A) mommas pissed (which is never good), and
B) something about “things are literally bouncing up here!) LOL

Too funny, and to think my system I had after I moved back in my folks basement BITD was even louder!
Not sure how they put up with all that? Probably figured “hey, their doing what the love and at least their not out doing drugs!” LOL!!! yeah, we’re doing downstairs instead!
Shit need to do that again...when she’s at work would probably be a good thing ; )
For scientific purposes if nothing else; still don’t know what the threshold is for noticeable distortion, or the edge if you will....need to check some db levels too!

BC check PM

STRIDER; Great Notion, one of my all time favs, think I like that more than Cuckoos Nest...haven’t read that in decades, probably due cept it is a bit of a commitment...not sure I’ve heard Never Give An Inch title? From quick look it looks like same movie? Haven’t seen that in forever either, that I have time for! Wonder if I can find it?

Giving 4/2/73 disc three another run through, then? Maybe second pass on 4/15/78? Maybe I’ll give #36 a swirl as I haven’t had a chance to play this one as much as I normally would a new Dave’s...still itching for more 90s research too.
Recently poked around with 3/20/92 from Boxilla which I was fortunate to be at. I remember really liking this one live, and did again all these years later. So thinking next day or so hitting the next night since I’ve never heard that one either...thinking I might go in order and try and hit all my post 91 shows and the few official releases through till the end. Not all at once, but work whatever’s up next in line into the daily show flow.
Ok, sorry for the coffee rambles...
Onward!