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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #871
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    “Hey Rocky, watch me levitate Garcia”

    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 08:51

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I caught a few but missed most of the summer '85. I did get most of them on tape pretty quickly though. Riverbend, SPAC, Merriweather Hershey (Frost and Greeks?)..

Anyway, in 85 I was pretty hurting on funds and young.. but I caught a few. FF to the early 90's, grad school and my career unfortunately took root, so less shows. Things didn't really slow down until I began travelling less, post 2010. A few summers ago I decided to start going to some of those venues I missed.. saw Further, D&C and Phil in some of those venues.. Blossom, Riverbend, the Capitol, still trying to get to SPAC.

I really enjoyed Blossom, a really sweet outdoor shed and a great place to see shows. I bet those in attendance in the summer of '85 for the most part had a special time in a great venue.

I did pull down Blossom pretty early on when the Archive started housing shows, so I have listened to it a bit in the last ten years. Been a while though so this is a good refresher and a trip down memory lane.

Anyone else window shop GD venues of old? I especially love the quaint theatres they used to play in the 70's. One day I will do a little Europe tour and hit as many of the E72 tour as I can. Since I missed that tour, why not use it as an excuse to travel and take in a little history and culture.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 10:19

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It’s funny how one ripple from no pebble tossed can suddenly open up such a wealth of memories and other threads...

DV: more like call of the Weird! ; )

BOBT: with the shout out to the hometown girl

GOGO: I feel ya, seeing 85 would of been nice, but 6/30/86 as a first show is pretty -#$&*& cool in my book. There were times I considered that perhaps my best show....I think now that was heavily situational, and you really had to be at that one...besides all the crazy zen barges and riverboats coinciding with the lyrics at EXACTLY the precise moment etc, and from what I recall it was like a DM zone after the show with perhaps more rockets and fire works zipping’ around, crazy energy, or maybe that was just us? LOL...another one that doesn’t fully illuminate itself on tape...awesome first show! and hey, much of my love for 85 comes from a huge convergence of age, tenure in the culture, venues, the scene at the time (perhaps the peak of how big and crazy it could get before it all went too far?) and of course the music.
So yeah, maybe you weren’t ready yet, or the cosmic shift hadn’t occurred? I’ve heard enough of these stories to think there’s something to some of that?
Dave talking about the 4/15/78 Passenger and about balls out almost jumping the tracks etc...that to me is 85 in a generalization. Sure sometimes there were wrecks and floundering, and yes JGs voice could at times sound like he had the worst cold ever, but what gets me is the danger, the excitement, the riding the edge, which as HST said no one really knows where the edge is except those who go over it.
Oh, that and they started bringing back some cool tunes which gave hope that they’d perhaps take back up more of their primitive form. Perhaps regress back to Dark Stars and big weirdness in general. Really liked their sound then too. It was yet another unique niche among all the years combined. It’s a shame it gets so little love.

BLOSSOM: shoulda, woulda, coulda....sigh...then again, that 2 day party in Toga might of been worth missing it?
It’s hard to decide looking back all these years?
A couple of my band/house mates went to Blossom and thought it was great. I only had the first set on tape and until I did the whole tour (4/28-7/13) last summer to celebrate the 35 anniversary, hadn’t heard the whole show. It was perhaps the biggest eye opener of the tour for me. Yeah, I knew good and well about several of the shows, but didn’t know how good Blossom was. My tape was a little too crispy so that mighta been a factor why I didn’t delve as much into it back then?

JIM/VENUES: it is cool to check out the old hallowed halls and venues. Furthur fest tour in 96 took us to several: the Gorge, Irvine, KC, Veneta, Park City, Phoenix etc that I’d not been to, and moving to Colorado brought Red Rocks, the Denver Philmore, Telluride, Rocky Grass and other cool places. Unfortunately still never been to the Greek or the Frost. Always thought Laguna Seca must of been fun?

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Old CD-R I burned more than 10 years ago.
Still plays so far, no disc rot.

OB - I dig what you're laying down. So cool we were both there all those years ago and here we are now..
wait, where are we?

And yeah 6/30/86 was a great first show.
All I can say is Gooney Bird!
It's been a helluva trip ever since, for sure :)

Ah... Maybe missing that Cryptical is what made me obsessively collect all this music.
'85 rules.
This 3/9/85 show is kicking butt too. China Cat > Cumberland.. Hot Damn!

I must give a shout out to 4/4/85, it was the first Brent Dead that I ever heard, and I love that show.
My GD mentors came back from that tour and popped in that tape and blew my mind.
Wait a minute, these guys are still touring?!?!
I gotta know more.

And yeah, I love me some venue research.
NY 1967-1971 is probably my favorite time frame for stories.
That scene was like no other from the sounds of things.

Am I right Strider?

Good times you all.
1985 is making my day!

PS - No Disc rot

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 14:30

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Yaaaahooooooo!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 15:07

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Yes

Dave, please hear my plea

Also, 80 and 81

There must some releaseable shows in there

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Its audience but their is a good Rob B. and charlie miller source!!! If I remember good Playing sequence and a funky Scarlet Begonias. Enjoy the snow storm everyone... Bob t

Alright, I am going to check it out Bob t. Thanks for the pick.

Interested in what you all think of #37? Still no tracking here.

Stay well.

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glad to give 7/21 a spin!

have been digging another not-so-well-known '74 show -
Olympia Halle, Munich - 9/14/74. I really really like the Usbourne matrix - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1974/09/14. nice balance and the audience adds some cool atmosphere in places. No board for first 4-1/2 songs but largely complete after that. Sweet well played show. Added bonus - a complete Seastones!! ; )
If folks aren't familiar with this show highly recommend.

folks in the snow zone have fun and stay safe. beautiful sunny day here on the mesas and in the hills of Ootah. no Dave's 37 or notice. its always a fresh shipping adventure with each release. Glad its already showing up on a few doorsteps.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 04:37

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This mini tour from Winter 78 has the amazing Uni-Dome Show.... There is a good Charlie Miller board on Internet Archive. This tour to me has a complete different feeling than April and May 78. No set yet in Rhode Island. Bob t

Uptown must be in the air as we begin some February magic :)

I was just talking about 1981 Uptown shows. (Who am I kidding, it was typing, not talking;)
Threw on the jam out of He's Gone from 2/26
Now I kinda want to listen to all of those.

But first!
I'm hip to some Uptown '78
BobT is back and on a roll.
'74 was fun yesterday.

EDIT - And look at those openers.. look familiar to anything coming in the mail?

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I'm a grandpa! Traveling this week to see our beautiful new granddaughter. And a grandson is due in April. Feeling particularly blessed today.

Speaking of happy, happy, joy, joy, I always liked seeing Jerry enjoying himself onstage. So, here's a link to one such occasion that many of you have probably seen before. An enjoyable hour, but if you just want to see the Jerry parts, he's in the intro, makes an appearance with Carlos Santana around the 13:25 mark, and with Ruben Blades around 48:24. The DVD had a bonus feature with Jerry and Carlos rehearsing - great stuff if you can find that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wh8E5SDG3I

And tomorrow is Groundhogs Day - life keeps getting better!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 15:27

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Congrats old man...will this be your first?
I wish I had grandkids....Boompa Pedro....”hey kid, pull my finger” hee-hee!
Yeah I wish I had grandkids but without having to have kids first ; )

Was decent, nice jam sequence, sound was a bit funny/distorted at times, but glad I heard it!
Doing 6/22/73 as extra credit...just cause I’m behind on this box and got sucked in by Kiethfans Shroder shreds Playing carrot....

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 19:09

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To you and your family!! Good news also makes my day!!! Bob t

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PROUDFOOT - I'm sorry to hear that's happening to you man. It's rough out there. Hang in there and just know we're here for you man. Everybody has to make tough choices in life, but some are harder than others. Choose well.

BTK mentioned some epic shows happening on this day in GD History (I know we don't do that here, just saying)
And yes Billy you are correct.
Listening to 2/2/69 as I type, fun hearing a young Jerry berate the crowd for being kinda lame. And then launching into a fairly blistering set of epic '69 Dead tunes. Ahh... those were the days.

As we've discussed a bit, the 68 PNW tour is a favorite.

It must've been in 1998, the Crystal Ballroom hosted a 30 year anniversary party and spun the tapes in the Ballroom real loud, and let peeps come and party.
It was pretty awesome.
The Crystal is an amazing venue and all refurbished and immaculate with a sprung dance floor that is so fun to move and groove upon.
I'm pretty sure Gans was there spinning the tapes.
At that time I hadn't heard them in quality like that if at all.
So it was mind blowing.
I was such a junior head at that time, in regards to knowledge and GD history. And my focus was entirely upon getting high and listening to music, so I did not take the opportunity to learn anything or meet anyone who knew stuff. But me and my friends sure had fun that night.
Shit, I don't even think I was using a computer yet.
Shortly after that I believe I got my first.
Darn you David Gans for being so much smarter than me!
And thank you for teaching me so much stuff about this band, you sir have been a guiding light to many good times.

And lets not forget that gem that DL released with 2/2/70, I need to refresh my memory on those tapes, but wasn't that just a partial SBD floating around before it's official release?
I love it when that happens.

Fun Memories.
Memories.
That was fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 12:37

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...went with this today as I, still trying to get acquainted with this monster. Wow, awesome Dark Star (a, aren’t they all ; )
Think Phil was slipping in some King Solomon’s licks in there, and then this mofo 73 Eyes which seems like a 74! Holy cow, now slipping into a almost up beat China Doll...
Might try for extra credit with that 8/31/80 that folks be praising on another page...not sure I’ll have time as I think I need to go to the PO for 37 since I HAVE To go to THE “store” , then decontaminate after....shits still raging here due to bad combination of tourists and locals being too cavalier.....haven’t been anywhere in weeks, but when the going gets weird...

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 13:47

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lol...

perfect phrase for breaking the GD fast

LET IT GROW

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 16:05

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We've all been there, don't be hard on yourself.

Oroborous, way to go man.. get comfy in the PNW Box. I love it.. it's one of those pieces of music where I feel it's ok not to listen to each and every song. These are long shows and repeat listens of certain sections is not always required..

Been away a lot these last few days. ..so my listening was often determined by what was on my device at the time. Having a blast in the Mid Atlantic. Can't wait until fun can be had with people again god forbid crowds and amplifiers.. but making the best of here and now.

Be good all.. stay safe, stay warm.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 18:51

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Hey Oroborous, the PNW Box continues to get better at least to my ears after each listen. Let me know your thoughts after you listen to 6/26/73. What a show!

That Other One/Me and Bobby McGee to the Other One is wild!

Enjoyed the 78 show Bob t and the audience recording of the Hollywood Bowl, 74.
Stay well folks.
Still no tracking for this kid. Label created.....This is starting to remind of Dave's 36.☹️

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 06:26

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OB - I need to dust off that set again.
Feels like I get a release listen to it once and grok on how excellent it is..
And then dive into collecting a bunch of bootlegs and forget about the release.
Might be OCD.

If you all haven't checked out 2/2/70 in awhile, I highly recommend dusting that off.
Smoker!
Dark Star > St. Stephen > Mason's - That's just sick!
Good times.

I'm hoping my POD will be DaP V37 based on the tracking text I just got, says between 11:30-3:30.
I guess we'll see.

Starting off the day with some Ace Demos, I don't think I've listened to this all the way through.
I wonder what became of "Unknown Song"
I can't place it.
A little E Minor 7 9 Modal spin 4th uh uptempo bullshit

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 11:28

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...tip toeing through the tulips of the mighty PNW.
Didn't get to the extra credit show. Faulty time, and we all know time! and I had to listen to 6/24s disc three again, man that’s some good sheet...lol what the hey, gonna hit a few songs from 24th again today including the DS....😎

Received 37 last night, but Lovey’s working at home in my office today and I always try to give each new release (at least the first virginal listen) the full proper treatment listening via the big boy chair on the big system so that’ll have to wait until manana!
So since I can tell ole DV is itching for me to hit 6/26/73 (like I needed any prodding ; ) I guess will start with that. (After that DS again lol)

Actually starting to rain here, with supposedly snow later. As much as I’ve enjoyed the easy winter, we need it bad!.
It’s been sorta cold but one of the driest winters I can remember for the 22 years we’ve been up here. Crazy the East coast etc is getting pounded and we’ve not had shite this winter. That fire was close enough to get a person thinking last year so really hoping we have a wet spring.
Point being good day to work in the basement on the Theatre. Since I can now play stuff off the music server on upper level down on the basement system etc. it’ll be a perfect day to be in the pit, and a perfect day for a long 73 show!
Trying to get my Height layer in and LFE subs going. I have some B&W speakers laying around and an extra 5 channel Mac amp I was originally going to use for the master, so might just as well travel the elegant way eh!
Main reason I’m doing this is not so much for atmos (shitty format) or movies, but for music and concert videos etc. Auro 3D upconversion for stereo or fake surround sources can be magnificent!
It’s not some crazy surround deal with like one drum coming from each speaker, but a subtle but powerful use of the psychoacoustic space that when done right can make you feel more like your experiencing a live event. I’ve only used the 2D version so far on my 6.1 set up, so I’m really stoked to play dead videos or hell anything using the 3D set up.
Ssssssllllaaaappppp.......sorry, started geeking out there hurumph...
Yeah Jim I have been cheating a bit on some of these. Like only did the last 2 discs yesterday and cut some tunes off of the first one. I know you full show purists are looking at me funny, but I have to be careful I don’t get too burnt.....
Like Eecktar’s rule of relativity states “a little bit of something is better than all of nothing”
Onward!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 20:51

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Great Post Ouro.. Love the Tiny Tim reference. We must be close to the same age, because I remember when this guy was making the rounds on TV and pop culture.

So.. as a weird mind works and knowing there was a kinship between Wavy Gravy and Tiny Tim.. plus it's midnight.. I googled Tiny Tim on Acid (seemed logical to me). I somehow thought, surely Tiny dosed.. well, I was wrong but the search brought up the quite recent article by our beloved Blair Jackson. A fairly well researched piece (no surprise here), quite informative. I knew Tiny Tim was well versed in old music, but leave it to Blair to fill the gaps and keep it all interesting. I would not be surprised if there was a closer tie to the GD than Wavy Gravy, but the hour is getting late... save some fun for tomorrow.

Thanks Oroborous for leading me on this interesting tangent. ..at least interesting to me.

https://www.ukulelemag.com/stories/the-strange-and-improbable-rise-of-t…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 06:32

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What's on tap for today.

Per Jim's suggestion yesterday I hit up Dave's #1. What a show. It never gets old to me.

Maybe we should take a look at the January 2017 Dave's release, #21? A little Boston Garden 73.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 09:05

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Did not know any of that about TT...I thought he was “acting”, trying to be that odd. Fug yeah, when the going gets weird lol. Glad I could help lol. Great article, miss his Dead stuff...
I guess for me a good day is when I throw something out there, especially if it’s weird, and it lands somewhere, and perhaps gets a little flow going. It fascinates me how/what little cues can trigger, especially with an older drug addled mind, all kinds of things that haven’t been thought of in a very long time etc.
Like Tiny Tim on TV as a lad>> Laugh In>> different characters etc>>other childhood sixties TV memories>> and on and on!
Funny I’m rehashing the weirdness from 6/26/73 TOO while watching TT videos lol. Yeah, hard to believe he never tripped. Fortunately/Unfortunately? ...gotta wonder what would of happened had he been around Owsley and the boys!
Ok, it’s time for new Dave’s, then maybe I’ll hit some of that 4/2/73. Ole DV knows just how to scratch under my collar, WOOF!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:47

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Hard to believe it has been four years since this gem came out. It never fails. Top three, in my book China-Rider, that transition is unreal. Stella Blue, man, Jerry reall is on fire. His guitar is so crisp in this recording.
Your house must rock with that sound system you have Oroborous!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:59

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Several weeks ago we were discussing the reissue of Monterey Pop on BluRay and the addition of GD Viola in the bonus material.
Also added was Tiny Tim hanging out in the Green Room for Monterey Pop (a tent actually), sitting at a table with a few people, and playing old songs.

Pretty bizarre

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 21:53

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This show is what most other shows try to measure up too. So to speak. Tiny Tim at Monterey was bizarre. He acts so tutti frutti.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 07:00

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It’s was either that or children!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:04

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Oroborous, Ha! Way cheaper your way.

Carlo, I agree. And #21 was recorded by Rex Jackson and I believe the first Dave's Picks with the tapes provided by ABCD LLC.

Okay, who has a pick for today?

Alright Vguy, looks interesting and there is a Wang Dang Doodle. On it. Thanks.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:53

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Cool, another weird little nugget you wouldn’t normally think of.
Gonna hit the 4/18/78 stuff again first...too stoned, too early, dug 37 in fine style but fell asleep during Pittsburg lol.
Then this and I still want to catch 4/2/73....yeeshk, better get busy!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:20

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Whoooah Nelly! Disc 3 of Dave's 21 (4/2/73) is one hell of a corker! Just off the top of my head (which is a lot less cluttered with hair these days,) I would have to say that this must be among the best single discs released in the whole series. Just gem after gem! I love when the madness of a jam winds down into "Bobby McGee" and the "Prelude>Eyes>China Doll" is exceptional. Wonderful stuff all around! Combine that with the greatness of discs one and two, and you have a TOP SHELF Dave's Pick!

Ok - 11/3/91? I think I will hook my new laptop up to my big boy stereo later today for some happy hour jams.

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Peace

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:41

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Big River also captured my attention for the first time on this release.

Funny how things seep out of these releases even if you have listened to them dozens of times. But seriously, Big River was a wild and crazy jam on this night a couple months shy of 48 years ago. A practically flawless version.

Great pick VGuy

Check out 2-5-70 Dancing In The Street.
Listened to it while driving to work this morning, totally hit the spot.
I think it’s filler on 2-4-70 Family Dog which I was listening to yesterday in the car.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:03

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2/5/78 Uni-Dome Scarlet>Fire...... one of those combos, where I like every version!! This one is one of my favorites!! Another random listen today is 9/11/74.... Between the Playing in the Band,,, Phil and Ned (12 minutes or so into the 41 minutes, is basically the whole band, and then Ned stays on for the entire Eyes of the World.... So 23 minutes for the Playing in the Band to end Set I, the 41 minute Phil and Ned (25 minutes or so of just pure 74 bliss) followed by 31 minutes of Eyes with Ned sitting in.... 90 minutes and basically vocals for only 2 songs..... Really wish this whole show would have been released..... Have a good weekend... Bob t

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Submitted by deadshow72 on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:10

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Great to hear the boys' impromptu occasional banter several times throughout the show. To those who tend to poo poo First Sets, give this one a listen and you'll surely see the light! Dark Star>Wharf Rat>DarkStar>Me & My Uncle to close out, can it be? - YES, the FIRST SET.

Not quite through the Second Set just now, Question: was this Playin' In The Band the first time played?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:47

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Nice show Vguy. Sound quality on this one is A+. Fun to hear the guys with Fogarty. Born on the Bayou! Neal Young with Forever Young, nice surprise and Touch of Gray to end the show. Nice!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 06:13

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Pick-let of the day . . . .how about the partial second set from 2-19-73 - monster sequence and great sound. Like starting your day with some good, strong, fresh roasted coffee and a slice of homemade strawberry-rhubarb pie. Would love for the rest of this show to surface.

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/02/19 (Miller board)

Been awhile since I listened to 4/2/1973, need to cue that up for a deep listen.

Senator Oro - I think you mentioned Gimme Some Truth a few days ago. By chance last week was streaming Undercurrents Radio and they had a triple shot - Bless You, #9 Dream, Every Man Has A Woman That Loves Him. It all sounded amazing to me (just now the trumpet on Bless You!!) So I've been streaming parts of that compilation last little while - don't own any of Lennon's solo work. Really dig it.

edit - 11/3/91 somehow I've never listened to this. on it! and . . .

Onward!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 08:46

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Was the first live performance. I was there that night a few rows (4th or 5th) from the stage. Attended the following three nights also. Fifty years ago I refrained from smoking ganga for the three weeks leading up to that night. Was also jogging regularly and starting to clean up my diet. Smoked hash before the show. Almost got jumped/mugged hanging out at the side of the theater. Port Chester was also the home of Homelite Chainsaws. 1971, was also my first time to Oregon. Also the same year the film adaptation of the Ken Kesey great American novel “Sometimes A Great Notion” was released, with powerful performances by Henry Fonda as Henry Stamper and Paul Newman as Hank Stamper. One of my all time favorite books that I read my first time living in Oregon summer of 1972. I also loved the movie. “Never Give A Inch” (correct spelling from book and movie)

Hope you don't mind a question re personal history. Curious as to how you made the jump from NY to Oregon back in the day. Older brother? Solo on instinct? Seems like you were into the Dharma Bums trajectory a little?

Speaking of Gallup, a close friend of my parents was life-long in the railroad and when newly married was stationed there (ran the local operation?) for a few years back in late 50s early 60s i think. He spoke of it fondly, but I never really tried to get a deep history. He passed on a couple months ago - missed opportunity.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 11:27

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11/3/91: fun little show. Just exactly the kind of off the beaten path kinda nugget that I might never find if not for this forum, thanks Vguy!
4/2/73: been sort sneaking around this one last couple days. Unfortunately been distracted for most but had a ear to ear grin session after finally settling down, sitting down and melding with disc 3 as I was messing with the Theatre system, so listening with Auro 2D on a 6.1 channel system while tweaking my LFE sub. I used my old Bass cabinet with 2 15” JBL E140s in custom Hard Truckers style cabinet, powered by old Crest FA901 amp from my playing days. I’m also using my old Furman crossover as the bass management in my MX 123 pre-pro is a little disappointing for the price point, but it does sound real nice!
So I’ve had mixed results with movies and not been able to get things where I want, so figured I’d tweak with some good sounding Dead and see what happens lol.
Well started getting things real nice pushing those amps and by the time Casey Jones came round I’m grinning like a maniac and it’s loud but clean and still headroom and if- I- Could- just- squeeze- a, little- more- right- now as they kick into the finale crescendo, holy shit that’s.......what?....?....rut ro...oops, the misses (all ready in a fine mood lol) is now trying to get my attention from the top of the stairs and didn’t really hear/comprehend much except;
A) mommas pissed (which is never good), and
B) something about “things are literally bouncing up here!) LOL

Too funny, and to think my system I had after I moved back in my folks basement BITD was even louder!
Not sure how they put up with all that? Probably figured “hey, their doing what the love and at least their not out doing drugs!” LOL!!! yeah, we’re doing downstairs instead!
Shit need to do that again...when she’s at work would probably be a good thing ; )
For scientific purposes if nothing else; still don’t know what the threshold is for noticeable distortion, or the edge if you will....need to check some db levels too!

BC check PM

STRIDER; Great Notion, one of my all time favs, think I like that more than Cuckoos Nest...haven’t read that in decades, probably due cept it is a bit of a commitment...not sure I’ve heard Never Give An Inch title? From quick look it looks like same movie? Haven’t seen that in forever either, that I have time for! Wonder if I can find it?

Giving 4/2/73 disc three another run through, then? Maybe second pass on 4/15/78? Maybe I’ll give #36 a swirl as I haven’t had a chance to play this one as much as I normally would a new Dave’s...still itching for more 90s research too.
Recently poked around with 3/20/92 from Boxilla which I was fortunate to be at. I remember really liking this one live, and did again all these years later. So thinking next day or so hitting the next night since I’ve never heard that one either...thinking I might go in order and try and hit all my post 91 shows and the few official releases through till the end. Not all at once, but work whatever’s up next in line into the daily show flow.
Ok, sorry for the coffee rambles...
Onward!