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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Sorry for the griping, just feeling a little more salty about it seeing it takes 5 days to go from a shipping label's creation to going out the door in a professional shipping department. And I've had a few responses since the whole debacle with DaP 36 started, so that's left me hopeful that that avenue is still partially open.

    But, as they say, we will get by, we will survive. Touch was my favorite part of DaP 36. Such an infectious song, and Jerry is really feeling it. That's one track where the matrix really enhances things. Oh, and I only know how it sounds because I bought one off ebay. Hoping for a digital copy of 37 to tide me over so I don't have to waste more money on multiple purchases.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    What about that old raggedy thing along I-70 in Denver? Badger?
    I think that it has been torn down.
    I never rode it but drove past it many times driving between Stapleton/DIA and skiing.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Thanks for the input.
    Hopefully the entire Louisville set2 will come out eventually. The Whole set probably wouldn’t have fit as filler on this release.

  • unlearnfear+hate
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    I hear you, but at least we are well past trading analog tapes when it might be 5-8 weeks before your new" stuff came in!

  • unlearnfear+hate
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    I was at all the first leg of the Spring '78 shows from VPI, 4/14, through Illinois State, 4/24/78. Most were very high quality with only one dud (Columbus, 4/19 . . . lotsa cops - it wasn't at Ohio State so the "off-campus" site may have been part of the neg vibe). For me, the highlight personally was Lexington, 4/21/78, which is my hometown and where I was in college at the time. In my view both then and today re-listening to them all from my old Bettys and AUDS, I agree that the clear stellar shows from the Spring Tour are what have been released via Dicks, Daves and Road Trips (no 78 in Download Series): Nashville, 4/22 and Illinois State, 4/24. The second leg Spring 78 is well-repped too with the 5/10, 11 shows in New Haven & Springfield. 1978 was just a weird year with, as we know now, the toll of opioids beginning to have more of a direct impact on Keith and Jerry . . . and the inconsistency, even within a single show, was apparent to Heads then and now - particularly after the sustained utter brilliance of nearly all of 1977. I remember lots of older Heads talking all during 1977 that the Dead were finally back from the retirement and playing at the high levels of 73-74.

    My argument for Lexington over Pittsburgh as the bonus stuff.

    The first set of Lex suffers some issues, though the stage-audience chatter was some of the best I've ever heard and the boys+girl kicked ass with a super latter segment of the first set that begins with Row Jimmy and ending with a rollicking MNS. The second set, however, . . . Lawdy, Lawdy!

    I've always felt this set was worthy of release. Pittsburgh was quite good, but for my money, Lexington outshines with a very unusual "Stayin Alive" Jam at the end of Drumz, a rocking Trucking and perhaps the all-time killer Stella (which is why it appeared on the first Dead Box, So Many Roads). I asked David Gans at one of his shows why they picked the Lex version for the Box, he said (and this is a pretty direct quote) "I ran into some old Head in the late 80s who gave me the tape of the Lexington show, which I already had, and said 'Man, this is the best ever Stella. Play it on the GD Hour. Trust me.' So, when it came time to pick the cuts for the Box I remembered that encounter - we all listened to it several times, and agreed it deserved to be on the release." I've never heard the second encore US Blues on any tape, SDBD or AUD, but I can tell you it both rocked in a very raw, sloppy way AND was totally unexpected . . . particularly after the treat of Werewolves (the first encore, and only second time played - this was pre-internet, so if you weren't at the Columbus show the night before or didn't talk to anyone, then this would have been a mindblower since "werewolves" was a huge hit then on Warren Zevon's breakthrough album).

    Pittsburgh was a very good show, but similar to Lexington in that it isn't from beginning to end so stellar as to deserve its own release and is lesser than Lex. Definite highlights, but nothing really to make it "special" for release . . . unlike Lexington with its stunning second set and double encore. Checkout the review of the show in Deadbase - its only one of two of the first leg Spring 78 shows reviewed (Springfield is the other).

    So, cannot wait for my copy to get out of the Louisville Shipping Center Dungeon (a mere 78 miles from my house!) as I am most ready to dig on one great show and memory - and happy to hear from Dave's Seaside Chat that I shared the space with Bruce Hornsby. Wonder if we was near me and we shared a joint?

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    I've been using one for going on a year, burning and listening - it's called Rooful. Costs 23.99. I go through these things fast, but not this one.

  • deadtony
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    How people in Europe are receiving this before I am in NY..sounds shitty to say.. Subscribed right off the bat this year too. I know I'll get it eventually..just sucks. No offense to our brethren across the pond. After a week of ups saying they had no info on the tracking, mine too finally updated. Still sitting in California. Says expected Monday the 8th...I guess I'm just not patient...🙃

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    Hello Fine Folks!

    I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good, but not too expensive, external disc drive. I just got a new laptop, and the darn thing doesn't have one! How will I burn my Dave's Picks (and the upcoming boxset) to my hard drive? Having one that can play DVDs/BluRays would be nice too.

    I'm enjoying Dave's 21 right now on the big boy stereo, along with some Pick of the Day folks. This is one hell of a release... I think 2nd only to Dave's 5 in terms of 73 releases in the series so far, and that's saying something!

    Thank you, and have a Grate night!

    Peace

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    If it's any consolation (and I know it isn't)...

    getting replies from anyone in "services" is truly hard. I have a couple professional emails out since last week that...crickets, but no cicadas...

    "customer service" is a facade on the front of an empty room

    truly, why are some people not receiving their orders? and why have "customer service" if nothing is going to be done?

    an ancient SNL reference...Lily Tomlin is doing her operator shtick..."Whoops! we just lost Peoria!" "we're the phone company. we don't care; we don't have to"

    some day, every Dave's subscriber will get their product on time, and we can say goodbye to the shipping blues.

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    According to UPS. Label was created 1/29/21 @ 10:25 am, allowing dead.net to put the status on my order as shipped. No email as yet. But UPS shows that it finally started its journey yesterday just before 5 pm, and will take another week to traverse the states, unless it happens to end up in Warrendale, PA, where my mail has been going to hang out for 5-10 days since December. Still no DaP 36, and at least no movement on the extra 37 and glass and shirt. If those a la carte purchases had shipped out before the subscriptions I'd be pretty pissed given the supposed change in shipping subscriptions first. I sub'd on 10/26/20, and tomorrow marks a week after release date, so I'd like to see that change actually be implemented, so far, the rollout has not achieved the goal. And I'd like my DaP 36 as well. And a response to my most recent email would be nice. But I guess I'm just a fool for expecting better at this point.

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Second night at the Knick June '95. I remember the police sealed off several blocks close to the venue after some orc mischief among the fans the previous night. We figured that's why they closed with I Fought the Law.

The 06/19/76 Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ set list you laid out is incredible! I admit, I don’t follow all the unreleased stuff the way other posters do here, but every once and a while, a set list is laid out that makes you go “Wow!”, and this is one of them.

And KeithFan - I can always find time for the Cars, too. Just a great, fun band, with excellent songs, great hooks, and some totally underrated players (the live “Take What You Want” found on bootlegs from their club tours of the 70s still rattles my speakers. I have one recorded at the El Mocambo in Toronto that just brings joy to all the villagers who hear it!)

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Saturday Night for openers...at UC Davis '82...they came out (Sunday eve show) and Bobby said "Here's one we forgot to do last night"...great show...

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You don't want to know which shows I don't care much for; I would be jettisoned from the group!

Opinions are like buttholes: everyone has one, no one wants to hear them, and they usually stink. :)

And the "problem" with GD shows is that they're like sex and brownies: even when they're the worst you've had they're still pretty damn good.

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I was just wondering if anyone in the Leigh Valley or Philly area get there Dap 37 ?

Thanks!

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Here Comes Sunshine
Eyes Of The World
Not Fade Away
Playin' In The Band

ps. 2/27/81 great show!

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You’re absolutely right, totally missed that. Clung!! (Wooden mallet to the noggin).
Thanks for showing me the light!

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Got my shipping note on 1/26 but no DP37 in my postbox till today.
Anyone else in Europe still waiting?
Stay all safe & healthy
Best wishes from the sunny Isle of Fehmarn
JJ

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Why don't you have UPS pick them back up for final delivery?

Please and thank you!

ps. I heard on the news,
"there are one million packages waiting to be sorted in Philly since Christmas!"

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It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine -- it was a fabulously appropriate choice. For those of you who have not been to PNC Holmdel N.J. amphitheater it is an outdoor venue built into the earth like other similar venues and the sunshine came through from the west brightening a gloomy day while illuminating the band and crowd. It was The Grateful Dead meets a scene from an old Warner Brothers' Hollywood Biblical Epic Movie! Glancing over my shoulder . . .. I searched the horizon for an apparition. . .. Maybe Charlton Heston holding the Ten Commandments?

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I was always partial to a Shakedown Street opener. But I also love it anywhere in the line up.

March 1 on Monday, when is it that box coming out?

Peace out.

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I’m with JiminMD, 9/3/88-Let The Good Times Roll opener, but also, that Box of Rain second set opener too!! Plus 2 song encore ending on Ripple.
I spent at least 5 years loving the Cars, just one of many bands in my long string of “current favorites”, way too long to get into here. Starts in ‘64, ends when I die.

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Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

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Hello fellow Dead fans, this is my first time ordering from this site, ordered Dave’s Picks 37 back on 1/29 when it was released and still haven’t received my copy. I contacted customer service and have yet to receive a reply besides the automated email. I have put my tracking number into both UPS and USPS and neither show any updates. I live in eastern KY so I didn’t think it would take this long to get here, and I understand covid and the weather delaying shipping, but can I expect to receive it anytime soon or should I request a refund? I’m a little afraid mine is lost or something haha. Also wondering if I should wait longer for customer service to reply, I sent it back on the 23rd.

It was Easter Sunday 4/7/85, I was literally seeing Easter Bunnies...not on the rail but up pretty close...it’s getting to be time....the lights are still on but Phil comes out and quickly sets up and walks to the mics which weren’t on yet...what’s he saying? “hiyah, hiyah, hiyah kids, can you hear me” ....then seemingly in an instant, ok well maybe a psychedelic instant lol, he bursts into Why Don’t We Do It In The Road! Yeah, it was that kinda show....anyone digs 85 MUST check out this show! Yes JG has a tour “cold” by this point, but so what,....listen to the music play! Best Easter Ever!

EDIT: if I wasn’t a dumb ass I would of caught Day Tripper on 6/25/85, Dooaahhh!

DBL Edit: some other fun/unusual/notables I saw;
- 3/21/86 Road Runner
- 3/27/88 Space>>So What (2nd set)
- 6/30/88 Green Onions (2nd set), Box of Rain opener
- 10/15/88 Space>>One Mo Saturday
- 7/13/94 Truckin’>>New Speedway (2nd set)
- 6/30/85 Rain>>Box of Rain>>Samba in Rain>>LL Rain (2nd set)

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Stillwater’s; not too up on D&C but can attest that most of the Boulder shows were good. Forget which one, but one of the last shows there was excellent, the other decent. I know my cousin spoke highly of the 2 New Years shows from 2019.

I had forgotten that 6-19-76 was in the friggin' '76 box! Just pulled it off the shelf for a re-run, plus dragged out the FW69 discs for this evening's jolt of GD. Got the fresh produce, check. Stout? Check! Jameson? Check! GD collection? Oh boy, it's so large that I can't remember everything that's in it.

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careful with the powder on the bottom...
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Me too!! IceCrmcnKd mentioned it, so I pulled the box out and “Geez!” For the record, I again stand by my “Wow”, what a great set, and it must have blown the roof off the place.

I can hear echos of my dear Mrs “Don’t you have enough Grateful Dead already!?”
The point could be astutely made: Never.

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We were close enough that our sound came from the back line of amps rather than the PA and I was duly impressed with the actual crackling and slight buzzing that came off even these top pro's amps, and the vocals from the side monitors/PA speakers blended real well. Also, when you're close, as most of you know, you get to see the little looks between players while the music is going, solos are traded off, and then the off-mic banter. I was two months shy of my 19th birthday and had already racked up seven GD shows in '72-'73 and starved all of 1974 and '75. So we were ready with a little tootskie and the requisite produce. About 5-6 of us had adjacent seats. I just looked it up: Jer was only 34 years old. Bobby was 29.

Ya know, I'm Hendrixfreak, right? But too young to have seen him in concert; just never had the opportunity really. (I was already Hendrixfreak in '69, then he passed away a month after my 13th b-day and I didn't start going to shows until spring 1971. (Wow, that makes this spring 50 freakin' years in the trenches of live music!) But I feel profoundly fortunate to have caught the GD in concert maybe 75 times between 1972 and 1992. Plus innumerable Jer solo shows.

Oro, as you probably know, when you harvest fresh produce -- especially Indica -- you end up with sticky stuff on your clippers. Carve that off, let it dry, pop it into the bowl and BAM! Free transport to Amsterdam or Kabul, preferably the former..... And, yes, I've got a plan for at least one disc of FW69 with my modest piece of fresh sheesh!

Peace to all!

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...never a good idea, and I’m wasting time/bored. @ Show Openers;

14 Buckets
13 Touch’s
12 Strangers
8 Shakedowns
8 LTGTR
8 Alabama’s
7 Jack Straws
6 1/2 Steps
5 Iko’s
4 Berthas
3 Midnight Hours
3 Dancin’s
3 H/S/F
3 Cold R&S
2 Picasso Moons
2 GSET
1 Road Runner
1 Do It In the road
1 Foolish Heart
1 Music Never
1 Gimme Some Lovin’
1 Box Of Rain
1 Minglewood
1 Promised Land @ my first show.

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Alligator
Schoolgirl
China>Rider
Hard To Handle
Doing That Rag

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"It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine "

Same thing happened at Giants 6/6/1993.

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That must of been sweet!
Unfortunately never saw that one : (

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If you see this, please pm me.................

Now that I have your obviously undivided attention, gentle reminder now that we have a little breather between Port Chester and March 3. Anybody with a hankering for some new 71s, I might be able to help you out. And if anybody needs some light reading, "The 1971 Project" is available upon request. It's probably a continuous work-in-progress, but I'd bet that hendrixfreak or even strider brown might find a nugget or two of interest there......

Thanks for the ABCD list link. So where's 12/1/71 and 12/5/71??????

Rock on rockers!!!

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Eugene 8/21/93, my favorite, super sweet start to a fun show. best Standing on the Moon ever. August '93 polished like a golden bowl in my memory.

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Mississippi 1/2 Step 8
Hell In A Bucket 7
Jack Straw 7
Cold Rain & Snow 6
LTGTR 6
Touch Of Grey 5
Bertha 4
Aiko Aiko 4
Picasso Moon 4
Feel Like A Stranger 4
Help On The Way 2
One More Saturday Night 2
Here Come Sunshine 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
Fun fact. My first 3 shows were Aiko openers.
Was present at the HCS Eugene opener.
I also witnessed 2 Saturday Night openers. I don't recall the second one. Might have been late to the gate. It happens.

China Cat Sunflower 10
Scarlet Begonias 5
Victim Or The Crime 5
Aiko Aiko 4
Samson & Delilah 4
Foolish Heart 3
Here Comes Sunshine 3
Box Of Rain 2
Crazy Fingers 2
Hell In A Bucket 2
Help On The Way 2
Saint Of Circumstance 2
Shakedown Street 2
Truckin' 2
Easy Answers 1
Eyes Of The World 1
Hey Pocky Way 1
If The Shoe Fits 1
Jack Straw 1
Just A Little Light 1
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 1
One More Saturday Night 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
I was apparently a China Cat Magnet.
I don't recall the If The Shoe Fits opener. Good on me for that lapse of memory.

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Ladies and gentlemen ‘The Grateful Dead’ Live From Oakland! With maybe their very first live shakedown st. DPs series?!
The Grateful Dead played many Primo Prrformances over their career in Oakland! “Play Ball”!
Batter up! Or does it go the other way around?! Lol . Rock on my brothers and sisters! 😎
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Yo! Rockers!!

Some favorite show openers:
Big River (6-26-74)
Cold Rain & Snow (5-11-78)
Mississippi 1/2 Step (10-28-79)
Jackstraw (3-12-81)
Shakedown (4-26-83)
Music Never Stopped (10-21-83)
Dancin' In The Streets (6-24-84)

I seemed to catch a lot of Berthas, Promised Lands, and Alabama Getaways........

Rock on!

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....I only caught one Alabama Getaway. Better than none. Third song into the second set on 2.12.89. That counts as two in my opinion.
Also caught the last/final Monkey & The Engineer that gig.
Lucky me. Those Forum runs in 89 were electric.

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So I finally received my #37, but unfortunately it doesn’t do me any good as the discs are all faulty, some don’t play at all and the other just constantly skips and pauses. Just wondering if anyone else ran into this kind of bad luck with their discs. I just contacted customer service, hopefully I don’t have to wait a really long time to finally listen to this show, but that seems to be the way with my past experiences.

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This customer service is completely SHIT. I live 30 minutes drive from where all the Dave’s are shipped from Carlsbad, CA. I have a subscription. An order confirmation... and right now, no shipping notice, no nothing. No phone number to call or rep to speak to, no reply from Dr Rhinos emails. NOTHING. This is completely unsat. I’ve filed a Better Business Bureau complaint.

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To be fair, not my favourite Dead cover by a long chalk. They always seemed a bit constrained by the riff to me...but the one played on 3/25/72, as evidenced on Dicks Picks 30, goes stratospheric. Easily the best version of it they did-that I have heard. Curious that they seemed to drop it after that. I say, without checking to see if they did-I don't remember it featuring on the European tour.

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I may have been at that one but I am not sure. I was there again in 94, and, being a Traffic fan, I left the parking lot scene to go inside at the Giants 94 shows. With the Furthur show at PNC Bank Arts Center, and, it being an open air amphitheater with a circular roof, the way the light broke through the clouds in between the narrow area between the roof and ground was , well, Biblically-Hollywood. What a great show that was. In fact the crowd was so loud and boisterous that Phil commented on it during his "Donor-Rap." He dug the crowd energy.

To those of us in the northern hemisphere, let's hope for an early beautiful Spring and an end to this Pandemic. Peace to all here.

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2 28 69 FW!

TIME FOR A '69 BOX release.

Not sure what the hold up is....

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On key opening songs I witnessed. Just a few highlights:

In '72-'73, it's all Bertha and Promised Land, depending on whether Jer or Bob started the show
Except, 7-31-73, when they opened with Ramble On Rose

In '76, there's that H>S>F>TMNS, one Sugaree, one Promised Land.

In '77, it's all Bertha and Promised Land again

In '78, there's a Jack Straw, Bertha, Promised Land, and a Mississippi Half Step (all at Red Rocks)

In '79, a Shakedown

In '80, a Jack Straw and an Uncle John's Band (both in Boulder)

Skipping ahead to highlights: 8-13-87, Jer sings Big Boss Man to open a third night at the Rocks. (Man, how did we ever do those three nighters in a row??)

Oh hell, that exercise wasn't that exciting... the openers certainly got the crowd going - esp. Bertha and Promised Land = except in the early days, '72-'73, the mixer used the first song to dial in the sound, so the opener was a bit of a sacrificial lamb as it were. (Witness: the PNW box.) Basically we took Jer's Bertha to mean that he was comin' out ready for action.

Again, feel fortunate to have seen lots of shows with my friends and thousands of friends I had never met before arriving at the show.

I managed to get the out of production Hendrix Box Set Stages on the cheap and in great shape via eBay for $41.64 including shipping and taxes. Pretty good deal! I have not listened to it yet but will check back in . . .. That Songs for Groovy Children box will be next.

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We watched a comedian the other night brian regan i believe

It was recorded at red rocks

I kept visualizing the GD playing there

That must have been FANTASTIC

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Walkin the Dog>Deal in 85

1/2 Step>Road Runner in 86

Big Boss Man in 88

Saw a ton of Shakedown openers from the early to mid 80s.

H>S>F has to be at the top of show openers, if for no other reason than From the Vault 1. HCS might be up there, but the quality on the song was not the same when it reemerged.

I was also at that Rochester show when they started the second set with Green Onions. Other interesting second set openers were Terrapin (85) and Quinn>Dancin (86).

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