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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    RIP Chick Corea

    Another great gone.

  • Sixtus_
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    Just caught wind via Relix that Rob Eaton (Betty-Saver; Bobby in DSO) seriously fractured/broke his wrist and has some significant medical bills. I found his go fund me account and did what I could.

    Just wanted to give folks a heads-up. How scary for someone in The Guitarist profession.
    Best wishes to him and I am reminded to applaud all of his Betty efforts and DSO contributions.

    Sixtus

  • proudfoot
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    thoughts at this moment

    today is the 51 anni of 2/11/70

    ("mmmm, my lips are getting heavy"...quick, cite that reference!)

    US BLUES rocks! some diss USB; I love it, every time.

  • Oroborous
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    Did someone say books ; ) yeah my wife is an addict..she’s like the Dennis of Books! ; )
    Unfortunately/fortunately she’s the Collection Development Librarian where she works. Unfortunate because she gets discounts which encourage over buying, I mean she could only read for the rest of her life and she’d still not get to them all, but alas she things she will... (sounds like us with dead lol) and fortunate because it helps feed her Jones buying all those books for the library. Hmmm, if you could buy all the dead releases for your job, would you still need to buy so many for yourself?...lol She’s basically devoted most of her life to books for good or for ill...
    So the girl knows books, and thus buys me all kinds of things Id probably never learn about etc
    That’s good for obvious reasons, but bad because I have so many now I can’t remember which all I’ve read and worry I’ll never read em all...and already have a nasty CD habit that I barely manage.

    Newer stuff/authors I’ve really dug, especially many from the Northwest...what is it about the North west influence on books and music etc?
    Of course most know the old classics by Tom Robbins, but my favorite from the region and perhaps my favorite “modern” writer is Jonathan Evison, especially his epic historical fiction; West of Here. Believe he’s due to release another, can’t wait! Currently reading Jess Walters most recent: Cool Millions (only have about an hour to finish..) Garth Stein and his most recent: A Sudden Light, Amanda Coplin: The Orchardist, several from Jim Lynch, several from Nicholas Evans, especially The Loop, and David Guterson: East of the Mountains.
    Other mostly good new Stuff I’ve read over the last several months:
    John Staley: Cold Storage Alaska
    Lauren Groff: Arcadia
    WK Krueger: Ordinary Grace
    Vonnegut: Cats Cradle (finally after all these years)
    Flea: Acid for the Children
    Mick Fleetwood: Play On
    JP Griton: Wyoming
    and Fourth of July Creek which as LEBOWSKI99 stated was enjoyable.
    Oh, and for anyone not familiar with Richard Russo, or perhaps you know the Movies made from his books, he’s another of my favorite newish authors. Especially like the old stuff, such great characters!
    FIVEBRANCH: Glad to hear the recommendation for TC Boyle’s: Outside Looking In, since that’s another one on the stack...Being Ram Dass is staring at me on my footstool, but I’ve only picked at it so far.
    Weird thing about the pandemic, have more free time, but haven’t really read all that much comparatively.
    The wife is really having trouble, can’t concentrating etc which sucks because it’s usually the thing that she really loves. Think it’s why she tolerates so much Dead from me , junkies enabling each other lol.
    Down side is the shits starting to really pile up! She already has a room in our new house completely filled, floor to ceiling (ahem, I ONLY have one wall floor to ceiling lol)
    Music, books, movies, beer and pizza, oh yeah, and buds! I mean what else do ya need ; )
    Onward, er a, I mean, READ ON!

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    If it is DaP 37 you are waiting on, a good number remain in the delivery system, so a little patience.

    If it is DaP 36 you seek, send MaryE a PM and a dozen Scarlet Begonias. She is pretty amazing.

    As to if the old hiccups have arisen again, many of us aren’t sure they ever went away.

    Good luck, brother!

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    5/31/80: well the way y’all going on about this one is telling me I need to go there, the problem is time....
    After 40+ years, this is the kinda stuff I’m looking for personally. The off the path stuff...Yeah it’s great to hear the biggins’ now and then, but there’s starting to be a lot of that that’s getting stale, so all the more reason to branch out eh?

    DENNIS: too funny, once again! unfortunately, the Loo and my memories are what I search most for these days lol

    THATMIKE: 😂

    SCALPERS: the word will always, immediately make me think of the Spectrum Parking lot, the night before the first show in 87. We camped out there after Harshfird to save a few bucks (is it saving if you don’t have the money?), and we couldn’t check in until the next afternoon at the ole Airport Red Roof (more stories there)...
    After I made a beer run over the bridge to Jersey for several of us there..Buying that much beer at a bar at that hour of night was a story in itself...as we and Garth partied on through the night, some Scalpers arrived, the “connected” kind, not some hippies looking for tour funds, and began to hawk, which was not good because,
    A) it was the middle of the night, very peaceful, and the only folks there either had tix, or weren’t gonna deal with these sketchy bastards. And,
    B) their barking etc was kinda loud and obnoxious and was competing with the cool acoustic jam Prezman etc was providing, complete with sing alongs. I mean the parking lot is huge, but these shitbricks felt they had to be right where a bunch of us were making our happy, happy home.
    So first we all sang louder, and more joined in, and then when that didn’t work we eventually started heckling them via song lyrics that Pman was making up on the spot; he was quite good at that but of course we could never remember any of it later lol. Something about Scalpers are Scum etc...
    Eventually they started getting pissy with us, but by then our ranks had grown and things got a bit ugly (when you go down to Deep Elem, the DHeads Will put you on the rocks....), and eventually we ran em off! So whenever I see scalper, it makes me smile and remember that night!
    And, Scalpers are still scum, only now their the ticket sellers with all their “fees” etc, Scum!

    DOC: sorry about your loss, fuggin karma!
    Can relate to your whole timeline/process/funnel due to time, and we all know time, and thereby obtaining a narrow but deeper focus. I was Similar about “I don’t need anymore, just the shows I was at” ...then I started really hanging around here with these crazies 😉and several thousand dollars and hours later LOL...
    71 IS like 2 different bands; Bakersfield/cowboy and “creamy, smoother” jazz like band. I agree with DAVEROCK that almost right from the get go after KG joined they were much more E72 already versus Skullfuck etc. Crazy how much/often the evolved. Used to get mad, but now think it’s funny when the punters say “nostalgia band that never left the sixties” or some other nonsense...70 and 71 were perhaps the years with the most change within the years themselves. Though I’m digging early 71 more, especially because of those lush multi-tracks we’ve been given, I do prefer the later KG stuff, like the great DP 2 that AJS mentioned, short but sweet and yes, perhaps best stand alone single disc in the cannon? Good topic for debate at least....

    And books...

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    Can anyone or Mayre if you are reading this send me her email or Dr Rhino or someone at DEAD.Net someone to help me out about tracking down my latest Dave's Pick. I have not been on in a while and I am not sure if the HICCUPS are back with people not receiving their Products. Appreciate any help thanks..Kev

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    The best book I've read this week is "Piranesi" by Susanna Clarke, published last year. The first 70 pages or so are quite puzzling, then you adapt to its strange landscape and its starts to make sense, of a sort.
    As Morrissey in The Smiths once wrote - "There's more to life than books, you know. But not much more." Maybe more than usual at the moment.

  • 1stshow70878
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    Appreciate the validation on F/Mac. You are getting to right where I started with the Mystery to Me album. Always loved the Bob Welch California sound which also blended well with Christine's songs. This was high school/early college era for me so I connected with his references to "mysteries" while reading all of Carlos Castaneda's books about the Brujo Don Juan. And of course the required stoner reads like Huxley's Doors of Perception. My older sister had Then Play on, and I was blown away by the early bluesy stuff and sought out more. Still haven't heard them all (Mr. Wonderful) so the study continues. I also need to look up the other guitarist on Mystery, Bob Weston. I know nothing about him. Agreed on the tastes of Jeremy Spencer. I have to skip his cowboy song Blood on the Floor. Second worse Englishman doing a western cowboy accent (Sorry Mick Jagger but you win #1 worst cowboy accent). But Jewel Eyed Judy, Station Man, and Bob Welch's Miles Away and Lay It All Down have to be played loud! Cheers!

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Dick 36,,,,, real gone :-(

Left a notify me if it comes available,,,,, ha ha ha

ebay has one,,,, sold 290

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Ive been staying on top of this release! I bought myself one copy! I am blown away by how quick that sold out! Unfortunately to a lot of scalpers im sure. I saw all these websites doing preorders before the actual company that was selling them were actually selling them, and also real gone music had it " sold out" at first glance but it had never been available, idk it all seems like marketing scams, i got myself a copy at listing price, but i had to be on it like a hawk!

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Real Gone did email about Dick's 26 when they found another batch, and I like their 2 per customer limit, and that probably some people did abuse that and will see their order refunded. Just hope you're quick to that email. I missed that second batch of DP26 because I was checking out while riding in the back of a car in the backwoods of Florida, and just as I hit submit (after inputting my CC number one time already and submitting), I lost signal and didn't regain it for several hours at which time I lost it to someone else. I hope you get an email soon, and are able to snag one.

Really love this show, and especially glad they included the massive Folsom Field filler. (The inclusion of which raises the question of whether a potential vinyl version of DP 13 would include the hidden Scarlet Fire from 11/1/79, and whether it would be hidden, because it's 35 minutes, an entire LP!)

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Anyone else not receive their order? I'm a yearly subscriber and never received the cd's. Tried contacting and haven't had any luck.

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I got the email around 1pm but didn’t actually see it until around 6pm.
That’s OK because I had decided that it wasn’t a must have but that I might buy it if it didn’t sell out immediately.

It should have been limit 1.
Clearly resellers cornered the market on this one.
2-28-69 vinyl is still available (I don’t know what the production number was), so we’ll see where the resale price for DP36 vinyl is in several months.
Demand may not be as great as the resellers think.

Also, if you do want vinyl, 6-17-91 is under $75 now.

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....I better pick some winning lottery numbers.
I still have all my vinyl from my 13-24 years old of being alive. There's a lot. I know me too well to dip my body in that again.
I want to visit Europe one day

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I was lucky enough to see Bunny and the Solomonic Reggaestra open for String Cheese Incident's first Red Rocks show in '99 I think. I love old Cheese and was overjoyed at being there for their backyard throwdown, but Bunny crushed it...

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And now, rockers, back to our regularly scheduled programming................

50 years ago today………………

March 3, 1971
Fillmore West, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Casey Jones-Hard To Handle-Playing In The Band-Loser-Me And Bobby McGee-Next Time You See Me-Beat It On Down The Line-Bertha

Set 2: Me And My Uncle-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-King Bee-Greatest Story Ever Told>Johnny B. Goode

Encore: Good Lovin'

The Dead opened and closed March with home town shows, one of which bordered on genius, while the other often fails to inspire. Let the listener decide which is which…….

Even a lesser light shines brightly on occasion, and this is no exception. There could be more grease, the Other One has its moments, and getting a Good Lovin’ encore is always nice. The original commonly circulating soundboard was sonically lacking, but the remasters released late last year are actually fairly listenable. And worth a listen they are, especially if you like the pared down, raw power of the quintet………….

Not a classic, and maybe not even “second tier”, but still…………….

Rock on!

Doc
Where we love is home - home that our feet may leave, but not our hearts……

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I'm hovering on this one-only due to the price. But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again.

As to whether The Dead are best heard on vinyl or cd-that's down to all sorts of factors-not least of which is imagination. And there is nothing wrong with that. I seem play the vinyl I have bought in the last two years or so much, much more than the cds I have bought in the same time frame. Maybe because I have less of it - maybe its a throw back to the 70s. I actually like the fact that the music is separated into 15-20 minute sections per side.

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"But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again."

There, in a nutshell, lies the rationalization by which I've gained the 2021 subscription, presumably the 2021 box (note: without knowing what it'll be), and selections from Dylan, Hendrix, the ABB, The Band.

Send me to the poor house, baby, but at least we rocked!

With nothing but time on my hands, I also have been looking for deals on music. I wish Real Gone Music would reproduce bonus discs too. Not since I lived at home, way back when, have I owned a turntable. I would not even know how to make a wise stereo/Hi Fi turntable system, despite reading an occasional article; but, would love to have one and start buying vinyl. Over the years these vinyl limited releases have come and gone and now reside on eBay for Highway Robbery prices. The phrase "Missed the Boat" comes to mind!

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/68 yahoo

/71 is, like Doc says, not the hottest show ever. But sometimes a piece of chewing gum is ok, even though you want an entire pizza.

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This suggests otherwise to me:

Side H
1. Mexicali Blues
2. Dark Star

Side I
1. Dark Star (cont.)

Side J
1. Morning Dew
2. Beat It On Down the Line

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Winterland October 1974: The Complete Recordings

Multi-track recordings from 74 - the need is real, the time is right!

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DAVEROCK, I had to smile when you mentioned only getting 15-20 minutes per side of a vinyl L.P. I bought vinyl from 1965-2001 or so. But I started buying cds in the mid-'80's. When I finally made the (permanent) switch to cds only, I had about 4,000 L.P.'s and 2,000 45's. I can't believe that I used to get up EVERY 15-20 minutes to flip/change discs. Of course in the 70's I had a stackable turntable(so cool!!). And more than that, as a child, I had mostly 45's, so you're talking about flipping/changing discs every 3-4 minutes. It's hard to believe I did that. And of course, it was normal and therefore, did not seem like an inconvenience at all. I think maybe my one habit that would drive most of my music listening friends crazy is that for the last 10-15 years, I will play a cd ALL THE WAY through front to back. I'm not sure why, other than my OCD, but if the artist presents it like that, I assume they intended for me to hear it like that. My listening habits would drive most people crazy. But, that's the glory of, that's the story of, love(of music)!!

In case you haven't heard, Music is the Best!! Also, Bird is the Word.

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Not saying I'm gullible or anything..
Hendrixfreak - Dead right. My order is in, and my pockets are empty ( not quite). Much happier that way than if I'd looked and it had sold out.

Mr Ones...maybe that's why we were all so thin in the 70s, all that getting up and down changing records ! I like vinyl during the day, and cds at night/early morning, when I am more likely to drift off into the land of nod. Cd's for background, too. 3/14/90 has been playing while I made my meal, had it, and checked this site. Pretty good this second set sounds, too.

Maybe DaveRock is on to something- a mix of CDs and vinyl in your collection. The two biggest problems I have with vinyl is the cost - no chance you are going to lay out vinyl money to take a flyer on a band you may or may not like, just restrict purchases to Kind of Blue and American Beauty, etc, real desert island picks. The second one is sound, but that’s just me - I don’t have the George Martin/Brian Wilson ear for the nuance of sound, likely due to a life of concerts and music listening, but I always found the sound of CDs (on a decent system) to be great.

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Didn't set out to do this per se but got in a 74 mood and started with the February Winterland run where Jerry debuted the lick. He pulled it out on the first and second nights. That led to other selections from the year featuring the signature lick. The band ended the year as they started it with one on 10-20. All of the 74 Slipknot moments came in the midst of some serious jam material - you dig?

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Man, when I was married, briefly, 20 years ago, my wife wouldn't even go to a Red Rocks show. She referred to the music lovers as "those people."

Fast forward to the past 20 years and, for a while there, I was averaging about 8-10 major shows a year and a few bar and club bands each month. I also noticed that I had to get serious about CD storage...

And, gentlemen, here we are, making light of each other emptying our wallets to search for the sound. Kinda funny.

Vguy -- I'm probably "retired" from the big live shows because someday I'd like to "retire" for real! That said, I'll catch Tedeschi-Trucks at Red Rocks next time they play. In 2024, I'll have been going to Red Rocks for 50 years! So I gotta at least keep up that little habit. And, of course, banging the drum for further releases on this cult-like forum.

Just finished 6-19-76 while working out -- a great way to catch a full disc or so on an every-other-day basis. That early '76 jamming is almost slow-motion in a way, but supremely calculated at the same time.

It's a sunny day in Colorado and as of this Friday, I'm eligible for the vax.

"It's gotta get better in a little while..."

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Yes!

Was just listening to Winterland 2-22-74, the first show of the year. Love Jerry’s many Slipknot teases near the end of that tasty PITB.

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From a reliable source: "May 1977 - The Days Between" Includes: 5/2, 5/6, 5/10, 5/14 & 5/16

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Good call on 5-6. God the fat biking was nice here in WI today. Woo! Springfield '77 box it up with the Capitol! Oh yeah. :-)

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...if you believe it. Long live May '77 The Days Between! Toss up between 5-6 and 5-23-24 for me. That May '77 Dancin'>Frankin's>Comes a Time. Has to be heard to be believed...

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I am easily entertained.

First, that Mystery Science Theater 3000 clip is a gem. Hilarious. As for May 77, The Other, Other One I am stoked that we are getting a pristine box set from a wonderful year that somehow seems to not circulate. Way to go Dave, how did you manage to keep all this so secret. Can't wait for the seaside chat on this one.

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....and they hid them for so long because they were so good?
I'm slow sometimes.
Taking my tie-dyed foil hat off in 3,2....

The pistachio "story," I mean...

But not to worry! The inmates are rattling the cage for an announcement and even Bolo -- or someone with access to Bolo's account (!) -- has arisen from the covid fog to murmur sweet (totally) nothings.

I pray DL throws us a bone before we move on to the garbanzo bean jokes....

Does anyone ever wonder just how good Garcia would have been if he didn't have to push up his glasses just before they slipped off his face twice a minute.

I think he would have been Hendrix good, just sayin'

Rock on folks, be nice to one another.

Edit: Actually, I always thought he was Hendrix good.

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On the other hand, he might have channelled his energy into learning how to throw his guitar in the air, and sometimes catching it ! Maybe he was better as he was..

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Hendrix did what any savvy chitlin' circuit showman would do when he had the chance: show those white Brits a little under-the-radar soul spastics to get the room going. Then ... they expected it. And Jimi regretted that expectation when he had finally seized the spotlight and just wanted to stand there and play great guitar like ... Jerry or Roy Buchanan or Carlos Santana or ... etc.

That's what attracted me, or one of the things that attracted me, to the GD, Roy, et al. No showiness, just the music.

Gawd, all this posting and I feel like a snack. Let's see. Oh, maybe I'll have a few chili-encrusted pistachio nuts... NOT!

Just come out and blow our minds with music, not pyrotechnics.

Circles back to the discussion a few days ago about other acts having to grab the audience’s attention at the beginning.

I never paid attention to John Mayer before he joined D&C, but I wonder if it was an adjustment for him to come out on stage and just play. He did say before that he wasn’t used to not talking to the audience.

I have a bag of Sam’s Club pistachios, they’re pistachio flavor, not chili.
How about wasabi covered pistachios?

And where’s that Box Set announcement, Dave?

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I saw a funny home video of a racoon sneak up to a bowl near a front doors and eat a wasabi pea. Next the racoon was upright on its back legs while furiously brushing his jaw and mouth with both front paws as if to say ew, ew, no, no ,no!

Racoons, oh the irony, have a very Ninja like appearance too.

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Advice requested from seasoned CD orderers. I ordered this CD in late January and a few days later got an email saying congratulations, that my order had shipped, with an order number and a tracking number for UPS. But the tracking number they gave me never corresponded to anything in the UPS system. I emailed CS and they said sorry about that we will re-ship it and send a new tracking number. Then nothing. I tried following up, but nothing. I tried the priority email, and got a canned email saying they were too busy to give me a personalized response.

I'm just worried that if on their end their computer is saying that the order shipped and there is a tracking number to prove it, and there is nothing they can do about it. Covid, baby. And I'm looking at the tracking number that doesn't correspond to anything in the UPS system that this is a Mexican stand-off (can I say that?) that may never get resolved.

Is there any way to get a human that cares about this? any other ideas. If someone were to tell me I wouldn't get it for several months, but I would get it, that would be fine. Thank you for reading.

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This is an entertaining documentary:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=seattle+choir+movie&docid=60800865…
It's about a Central District choir from Seattle, in one interview the manager says "Really, of all the musical talent in the Seattle Central District, this guy (referring to Jimi) is the one who made it. THIS GUY, he was a bum."

This has been a subject flogged to death, but my take.

I think you get a notice saying "shipped", when dead.net processes your order. But, the items still needs to be sent to "ups mail innovations", once the item is there UPS makes a shipping label, then UPS will ship item via some secret routing method that is know only to those who understand logistics. Eventually it will be given to the USPS, who will get it to you the next day. I also think ALL movement thru UPS stops completely on weekends.

So your stuff will get there someday, just not when one thinks a reasonable time has past.

My latest 45 was "shipped" on 2/23,,,,, tracking number is useless. USPS is still waiting for package from UPS.

Finding the same problem with "Merch Mountain". "Shipped" doesn't mean it's been "Shipped",,,,,, just the process has started!

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Thank you. I know this is oft discussed, I just never experienced it before. I will refrain from suggesting how things ought to work. Managing expectations would seem to be the minimum requirement for good customer service. Best, Mark

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It just means that your name and address were entered into the computer program that prints shipping labels. It doesn’t mean that a label was actually printed, or that a printed label as actually attached to a package for shipping. It certainly doesn’t mean that your package actually shipped.

Get the UPS and USPS apps on your phone and enter the tracking number. It will probably say ‘waiting for package’, but at least when UPS gets a hold of the package you will know.
Then a few weeks later USPS might get a hold of the package, and eventually the package might arrive at your house.

Not a well-oiled machine by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, more like a broke down rusted out piece of junk.
But does Rhino/GD care?
Not at all, because they already have your money and have no motivation to send you what you have already paid for.
It’s pretty much a huge scam.
Look at how many people never received a DaP36.

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