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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Oro- so sorry to hear about this

    A similar occurrence happened to my eldest son (and his coworker) who were walked off the jobsite (years ago) because they were making the most wage$ of all the laborers at sampson construction, in Lincoln NE. So both were fired without cause. They were not even allowed to retrieve their personal tools!

    Radical capitalist extremists are repugnant entities, but are proliferating in modern times, unfortunately. The love and worship of money over all else is a malignant malady/mindset/faith. This belief system is detrimental for all individuals, our society, our culture, and our future.

    "One way or another, this darkness got to give."

    Good vibes sent your way to help you land in a better spot.

    "Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself."

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    ORO...

    ...it makes sense that you feel slighted by the owner. wishing you much luck in your search!

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    Sorry to hear this OB. Man. I got laid off a few years back after a 20 year run. Covid didn't help things either, but we do the best we can. Of all the things I have not been able to make whole is the kids college fund, an event that is rapidly approaching. The wheel is turning and you can't slow down, right. We'll find a way though - never give up.

    I liked the Viola Lee reference, that's the vibe I like.

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    Ooof Oroborous that really sucks. And I'm with you 100% on what you said about when life looks like easy street. We know it, we tell ourselves that we know it, but yet we can't help slowly being lulled into a false sense of security.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Walked into the beer store and there was a stack of it.
    Woo Hoo!
    Must be spring.
    Tastes mighty fine.
    Bring on summer.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Sorry Oro, that sucks big time.

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    Tanks All! Your too kind!

    PT, didn’t you get the “treatment” couple years ago?

    Technically, they had a right to make me PT as I’ve only been working about 1100-1300 hours a year.
    They didn’t outright fire me probably hoping I’ll make it easy on em and just go away. Could use to work at the higher rate for as long as I can stand it, but man it will be awkward.
    But due to Covid, long short I had verbal agreement/arrangement with the owner which has worked amazing for four years.
    And part of that was that if anything needed to change with my “hybrid” status, that we’d discuss it, like adults, not just send a cowardly email.
    So it’s as much the way it went down that’s really lame, especially since nobody’s answered my reply to discuss this, nothing, crickets,
    17 years of consistently doing high quality and the hardest shit jobs nobody else wanted, making them tens of millions, which has made me damn near crippled physically, and this is what you get!
    And long short, basically it comes down to them perhaps subsidizing a few thousand “unearned” dollars to keep me healthy and happy!
    Guess they’d rather spend it on a revolving door of young folks who have no skills, hard work ethic, or care.
    Sa la vie. But thanks again, may not have any many other friends, but here on DN, like in Viola Lee, “I gotta friend some where” ; )

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    That stinks Oro. I hope they have to offer you cobra, though you would have to start ponying up, it should be at a better rate than out on the street. Perhaps coverage through your spouse? This stuff does happen more and more now, lucky I guess to make it to retirement age and Medicare before my employer started the funny business, of course they knew they could start cutting hours and benefits. Bastids.

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    sorry to hear about your gig being cancelled, it sucks. It's happening a lot now days, as soon as you get close to retirement age, they boot you and take it all away. This also happened to a friend, 19 years and 1 to go for retirement, terminated on a trumped up charge.

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    So sorry to hear that man. Very lame.
    Hope you can find a new gig with a better outfit.

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Wow!

I can't believe all those never-before-heard-of shows have been returned to the Vault.

The Days Between are going to blow all our minds.

And the vision that was planted in my brain

Still remains

Within the sound of silence

You're good people too Bolo.

Now give us a good clue!

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5-12 has been playing in my car.
Some good stuff.
I bet Jim loves that Peggy-O.

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Didn’t do 3-17, but I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it before.
I was at Omni 93, got two Lazy River Roads.
I did run to the bathroom towards the end of Drums the second night and it must have been really hot in there because as I was taking a pee the tiles on the wall in front of my face started melting....
Then had to squeeze through a mass of people in the lobby/concession area who were all saying wah wah wah....
It was very soothing and calming to make it back to my seat and listen to Space.

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Hilarious!
Best laugh all day.

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Space can put people over the top sometimes.
For me it was where I needed to be.
Seemed normal.

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.....nice! I have a few. Once, I got so saucer-eyed, that i feared i couldn't make it to the bathroom by myself, so a friend led me by me holding onto his belt loop. That was the show where I mixed acid and ecstasy if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure I'm not.

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....yup. Don't do nitrous standing on pavement boys and girls. I still have a scar as a souvenir. Irvine Meadows. 4.30.89.

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It's been a while since I listened to 5/12. I will have to check it out. Maybe when things slow down we can add it to the deck.

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Thanks for the pick Bluecrow. Nice sounding recording. Definitely a different vibe in 1993. Lazy River Road is great.
Not the rocking Wang Dang Doodle of say 1990.
When you are the greatest touring band of all time, you wonder what Phil, Bob and the rest of the crew thought of the last few years?
I used to read a lot of books about the Dead in the 80s. Might be time to look into some more recent offerings. One thing for sure, Bob loved to tour.
Would love to have the opportunity to See Dead and Co soon.

Would also love to see some Shoreline shows released. They always seemed to play nice and loose there.

Everybody hang loose.

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Glad folks enjoyed this. The Handsome Cabin Boy Jam > Other One > Days Between sequence is so emotionally powerful for me, really unlike anything else in the Dead canon in how it resonates. Jerry sliding into the Midi tones during Handsome Cabin Boy is so over the top dreamlike beautiful. And then that Days Between . . . . All of this a portal into a fantastical world.

Weekend incoming. On the road today. Be safe. Onward!

First, Alaska is fine with me.

Next, tales from golden nitrous canister:

One day in either the late 80's or the early 90's.. we found ourselves waking up early to climb the Middle Teton in Jackson Hole. It's really more of a hard core hike, no roped climbing, but with over 6,000 feet of vertical from the car to the top, planning to go up and down in a single day.. it was a big-en, much of it meandering up and down talus slopes which can and did munch up our footwear, my shoes were shredded by the end of the day.

Anyway.. and I'm pretty sure this part was my idea.. we decided to bring some party favors for the summit, which included a healthy number of those little nitrous canisters and one of those little balloon screw on thingies. So there were were at just under 13,000 feet having been pretty close to sea level just days earlier giddy with nitrous running through our veins huddled in some contrived stance to escape the wind and ice pellets that were pelting us in the face procrastinating the long hike (slide) down. Now Nitrous can have a wicked effect at these altitudes, it was all we could do to not fall off the mountain.. but it was a giddy high time full of laughter and stories that I will never forget. Somewhere there are pictures commemorating the event (which proved difficult to explain when my parents got a hold of the pics). We left at 4:30 in the morning and got back to the car well after dark to a car with a dead battery. Thank god it was a stick shift so we could push start it. What a grand adventure that was. At one point well into the afternoon still climbing up.. someone asked our fearless leader how much further, his reply.. I'm not sure. Both the other times we did this we all took acid. We knew we were in for a long day.

Believe it or not, this tale ties neatly into everyone's favorite fun band.. we were on a cross country climbing trip that culminated with a successful attempt at Devil's Tower and we had an off day in the Tetons with nothing planned. Climbing the Grand Teton was a bit more than we had in us so we were going to play it by ear and do something not quite so difficult.

One of my previous college roommates was rumored to be living in Jackson Hole and I really wanted to hook up with him, so I tried to look him up in the phone book to no avail.. (remember public phones when they used to have these thick phone books wired to the booth). So we got in the night before were were just walking around town checking things out. There was this bar and grilled called the Mangey Moose.. so we stroll by thinking to grab a beer or whatever and we hear the unmistakable sound of a Dead cover band, so we immediately head in. After about a half hour this guy grabs me on the shoulder, my old roommate.. and he puts us all up in the house he was renting (floor and sofa space), takes off the next day and was our tour guide for the hike.

Just a small detour on a side street and we are back to talking about everyone's favorite fun band, the Grateful Dead. What a small world where you can run into someone you used to be close to but have not contacted in years and randomly run into him 2,000 miles away from home. I bet many of us have similar stories.. we are everywhere!

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A little Alaska in 1980 sounds good. Let's do it Vguy.

Good stuff Jim. Hopefully, soon we can all get back to living and making more good stories.

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What has three legs and an asshole on top?

Either one of those drum stools behind me.

Hahaha.. Good one Bob.

Happy Friday!

PS - Nothing personal drummers, Bob said it.

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It was in this behind the scenes video that Justin Kreutzman shot during The Dead rehearsals.

That Weir, he's funny!

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Man I haven’t been hit with the ole GD tractor Beam/third eye in ???...
This last Dave’s: The BFF Phil show, was similar in that I had no expectations and for whatever reason I really clicked with it. But this is on a different level...
It’s so funny since I wrote 93 off years ago because of, ...well, basically too lazy and closed minded! I saw only one show 6/13/93, that I thought was perhaps the worse show I’d seen (it wasn’t!) 28 years later, arm chair psychologist I’d say life was changing as it will do, and I needed justification for letting go of such an important/prominent part of my life for so long?
Well fug all that now as hopefully we’ve been able to lose that dogma and go furthur!
Also think being much older now, the more relaxed feel that was often the MO of the last era, is now a plus, whereas then only in my thirties, I was accustomed to the more balls to the walls 80s energy, ya know “too much of everything is just enough”, and thus often felt non plussed? Or, more precise: my perception/reference has changed with age...

And 93 seems to be a good example, as I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the shows I’ve heard recently, especially this one! From the sweet Shakedown opener, nice Wang Dang, sure not 83 bad ass, but still fine and not just the same old, same old Bob tunes. A nice Lazy River, which makes me think to our recent plunge into the Port Chester run that made me realize how when they were breaking out new tunes over the years, the JG ones always seemed more together and gelled quicker than Bobs...lol
Desolation was/is always a top Dylan or Dead song for me. Though perhaps it lacks the verve of an 89 version, it’s still fine. Decent Ramble On, and then to me, a huge energy drop with Eternity, Still sorta on the fence with this one? Guess I haven’t spent enough time with it yet? Wonder if it would resonate better if it didn’t plod so much? Guess that’s what I remember NOT liking about late era shows; the plodding sometimes...(one thing I don’t like about D&C sometimes)
But it’s played ok, and followed by a decent set closing Liberty...
Picasso Moon, for the rocking second set opener. Not sure I ever fully grasped the lyrics to this one, but always liked the flavor and energy. Dig any tunes that let JG rip!
Crazy Fingers, always a personal favorite, even if not always tight. Perhaps the fragility/delicateness of it makes it prone to occasional turbulence? Perhaps just a litmus test for how together JG and/or the band was on any given occasion? But JG seems on tonight and we get a nice sequence thru Playing and eventually a short but Sweet Dark Star. This devolves nicely into another of those lysergic 90s Drumzzz, with perhaps the biggest surprise (for me) of the final of only 3 ever 2 Soldiers Jam. Like BC said this whole sequence through TOO and sliding into a sweet Days Between is an emotional playground that only the GD could provide.
This song resonated with me from day one, another instint Hunter/Garcia masterpiece, and though not perfect, another great rendition that once again got this old Sod all choked up!
NOTE: I also thought “Cabin Boy” in the jam, but was so intrigued I looked it up in Deadbase 10&50 which listed it as the 2 Soldiers jam, which upon further review makes sense. Performed only twice before on 9/22/87 and 9/12/90.
After a decent Good Lovin’ another big Smile/wow moment with LSD, no not that ; )
Now I knew it was coming, but since I’m not sure I’ve heard them do it before, (ok, good part of being old/forgetful, I can enjoy movies and shit like I’ve never seen/heard before lol.), really dug it! So Cool, now really bummed I didn’t get to see it : (
Perhaps that was part of why I became disillusioned in the later years; I was hearing about then playing Dark Stars, and Here Comes SS, and Lucy etc, and after many years of lucking out, all I was getting were what seemed like endless; Sambas, Eternity’s, and harumph, Loooonnngggg, Waaaaaayyyys, wasn’t big on Corina then either. But as I say, thankfully I’m more open to MOST of that now (Sorry Vince...)
So yeah, after over forty years it’s still nice to get shown the light....! And THAT, to me, is the beauty of this board. To go where not many have gone before, AND find the Golden Yummies!!
Mission accomplished!
So big THANKS (again ; ) to Bluecrow!

Not sure I’ll get to Alaska today? (but another curiosity that hasn’t been sniffed yet)... Lovey’s home so we’re listening to “other” stuff, like some L.S.D. inspired Beatles! No not that! ; )
Until next time me amigos!

Man, they should've always played Mid-Set Let It Grows.

Just now working my way through 6/20/80.

Been awhile.

I took a detour yesterday and did a lil memory refresh with Terrapin > PITB > D > S > Truckin' > Stella from 6/21/80 and it hit the spot! Dig that. Feel like the Stella was really giving me the feels.

Might have to go through that again :)

PS - Check out JOTW if you haven't already, it's got a nice little bit of uncirculating filler from 9/6/69 of Casey Jones & ITMH which is worth a listen.

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imagine that lol.
Seeing 8/5/79, 6/29/80, 6/21/80, 8/3/82, and 6/26/73,....
Lovey’s at work next two days and I got a house to clean so I’m thinking I’m going all in on the Alaska run; 19, 20, 21.
Though that 82 will need attention at some point. 8/5/79: isn’t that Tigers 2nd show? Always up for some good 79 too.
Not quite ready for early 7os yet...want to leave room for more of Docs 71 pics...
Yeah...Alaska it is for this camper.
ONWARD

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If you get confused just listen to the music play.

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Great shows and will have to continue on with these.

Love these early versions of Easy to Love You. Why did this one disappear until 1990?

June box release?

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1980 in the house.

Didn't do 6/19 but enjoyed 6/20 & 6/21.

Anybody else digging that Stella Blue on 6/21/80?

So, lil gas for the fire... you all still thinking we're getting a 1980 box?

And.. who's got an epic pick for the day?

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Thanks for ending the drought GOGD.

2021 Box Set, yes still think we will be seeing the last five shows of 1980 from the Oakland Arena. Starting on December 26 and ending on December 31. Looks like they had one night off in there and the last night they started with an acoustic set.

Still working my way through these Alaska shows but can be diverted with a good pick.

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Musta been that sweet Alaska bud cause 19s fine and 20s even better. Seemed to come hot right outta the gate on the 20th. Digging the unusual song positions. Still have 21 to do today, but good day for a double header...
That 8/3/82 BC was sportin’ could be good, or is that too much eighties? Personally I’m kinda liking the early 70s fast, which is good because I’m sure we’ll want to hit some of Docs 71 pics along the way...
80 box...well there was that hint...

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The Drought Ender!

12/26 - 12/31/80 huh?
You thinking any video with that?
There's video of 12/30/80, exported the SBD Audio as only Audience circulates.
(Oops, forgot about Tobin MTX which is good, props!)

Interesting.

I'm thinking of 3/30/94 today, last Dark Star, little nod to Dan Healy's leaving the band in '94.
Don't think Dan was FOH by this time, last show 3/6? To lazy to confirm.
But... I already listened to 3/5 & 3/6 and 3/30 looks kinda dope and it's sounding kinda cool too.
So, shall we go?

EDIT: Or what OB said.. took me awhile to be so wordy ;)

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That 1982 show looks interesting. Let's do it. 8/3/82.

Not sure about video in the box, but would love it!

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...Looks like another good place to dip a big toe in the milk of 90s kindness!
Yeah Healys last was 6/6/94...was just reading “Healys last words” from the day before, but don’t think there’s any clues there.
Definitely seems like a “ more to the story” story, than the 2 usual themes: he messed with Bobs mix too much and/or he was giving too many DAT patches etc...probably some of that, substance issues, AND being on the road constantly with the same folks for 25 years can often lead to irreparable internal strife...wish I had more time to pull out the books.

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or not...OR, how bout we take today and tomorrow and finish Alaska, 8/3/82, and 6/30/94 in what ever order and report back tomorrow, and get a fresh pick for Tuesday?

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This 3/30/94 space is trippy!

Yeah, I'm down.
I know the 2nd half of S2 8/3/82 rips, so down to revisit that bad boy.
Mid-Set Let It Grow, was just talking about those...
Funny I was just talking to a homey about 8/6/82 as well.
Coincidence or the universe?!?!

Healy's last words, great interview!
It's a cool vision into Healy's mind, which is deep if you ask me.
The guys that did that interview have a radio show Dead Air, and I think they're revisiting those final Healy shows tonight.
Hopefully they'll talk about what it was like to conduct that interview 27 years ago.
I'm excited to hear the show, and yes.. I'm a geek.

Alright, got some listening to do.
Listening and collecting.
Collecting and listening.

PS - speaking of Stella's check out the 3/30/94 version.. Oh Jer!

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:)))

4 18 86 never heard it
4/19 on cassette
4/21 on cassette but lost methinks
4/22 on disc here at Golden Gardens at Puget Sound

I highly recommend 4/22/86

Addendum
Until they start thriwinsteins

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First RCMH

Decent

No pick, or are posts not showing up?

I’m throwing one out there then, and today is not the anniversary.

3-9-81

Good sounding recording, and I think it’s on the list from years ago that Dave showed when announcing the DaP series, or in an interview. So it must be in the vault.

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Got side tracked yesterday, and didn't get a chance to check out 3/9/81.

Lotsa upgrades and new sources dropping in the Grateful Dead-iverse.

This band that stopped in '95 is constantly still generating music from it's remarkable 30 years.

Speaking of... I'm ready to hear about an official release!

When's that gonna happen? Who's got the scoop?

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Took a couple days off myself. So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it.

Any picks yet today?

Random question, I was running errands over the weekend and heard this D&C Help/Slipknot!/Eyes of the World that I want to hear again.. any ideas? While on the subject, there's a lot of pushback regarding D&C. I have one add.. instead of comparing John to Jerry or critiquing John, be careful not to take your ears off Jeff and Oteil. These guys are the real deal and the whole is greater than sum of the parts. Especially in songs like Eyes, Comes a Time, etc.

Anyway.. as you were.

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Jeff and Oteil are the real deal.

Recall that in a Shakedown Stream interview Jeff said that he was a jazz musician that didn’t know any GD songs. He did a good job learning them.

And Oteil has plenty experience from being in ARU and ABB.
Check out Oteil singing Comes A Time and World To Give.

And John isn’t Jerry, he’s John playing GD songs. And he’s pretty good, but not a Jerry replacement. Nobody can be a Jerry replacement.