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  • #6671
    DeadVikes
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    Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
    I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

    Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
    Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

    Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?

  • #6672
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    6.28.85 Hershey Park....

    ....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
    Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.

  • #6673
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

  • #6674
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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6675
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

  • #6676
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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    bob t
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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6679
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6680
    Oroborous
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    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 08:57

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12/15/72

I have been tripping around the early to mid-80s a LOT recently. Warfield, Radio City, summer 82, spring 82, 80, 81, even some 79, BCT 86 (4/22/86 China Rider....yowzah!)

it is time to wander into GD72 again

other CDs for today:
Trout Mask Replica
Zappa SUaPlay your guitar
Zappa Onstage anymore vol. 1
Acid Mothers Temple
Enya (again, I have my reasons)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 09:39

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Sounds like a winner to me.

Yes, GOGD, we definitely need some new release news. It has been what, 13 months since last year's box was announced. Let's get it out.

Willie Wonka Jim?

Dead and Co, yes nothing will ever compare to the Dead, but, after one year of this B. S. I know I wouldn't hesitate to go see them if they come anywhere near the upper midwest.

Hang in there all.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 09:55

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Man, if the shows I saw during this time were like this, I might of made more effort to go to more the last years....
Not a perfectly played show, but the misses weren’t any worse than any other year and there was much to like.
Starting with a good Here Comes Sunshine, one of the few songs I really wanted, but never got, sigh...
Decent Feel Like A Stranger followed by Jackaroe, instead of same o, not to be confused with Same Thing. Decent version but I was never a huge fan of this song no matter if the Dead, The Band, or the ABBs etc...actually the Band did a decent job with it.
Lazy River Road has that infectious quality where it grows on you to where outta nowhere your singing it in your head and trying to remember the words. El Paso: the acoustic helps give it a little freshness so it’s not just Bob playing the same 5 songs ALL the time. New Speedway Boogie was nice if not perfect and another yea for something different!
Ok Promised Land to finish the set. Actually was ripping pretty good and then JG just sorta stops...
Haven’t heard too many Scarlet/Fires lately so that was nice, followed by the whole ridiculously good mid set section kicked off with Playing and including the last DS and some magnificent weirdness that I need to hear much more of!
I Need A Miracle was a bit of a let down just because of the complete vibe change. Sometimes I dig it right outta space but other times it seems to rude for the mood? But JG slides back there with a sweet Stella, then capped off by Maggy/Liberty. Wow, another fine show from 94 that I’d never would have expected etc. Another fine truffle that the finely tuned senses of GOGD has sniffed out for our enjoyment. Good boy, Ruff! (Thanks!)
That’s 2 for 2 boys with the great 90s picks, keep em coming!

ALASKA was truly enjoyable too. All 3 shows were solid with some cool variances and fun unusual song placements.
Jerry was on and Brent still in that nice fresh new stage sonically. Makes you wonder why they didn’t break out DS sooner/more then they did as he certainly would of been up for it?
I think if they had done these shows 9 or 10 years later (when older and more possibly able to fund) I would have gone because I’m sure it was a unusual laid back scene up there. I know nothing about vault tapes, but most of what I heard was good enough to speculate what if? Perhaps an assorted 80 box from different venues?

8/3/82: didn’t get there yet but that’s where I’m going next and then I’ll try to get to 3/9/81. Saw a good show on 3/13 and I had a tape from the 10th I believe so interested in this one as it seems like March 81 is another nice little niche.

Edit; didn’t we do 12/15/72 recently?

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Only thing I don’t like about them is occasionally they plod along at a crawl. Or Bob messes with the tempos too much: slow songs are now fast, and ones that should be fast are now ssssslllooooowwwwww!
Haven’t experienced it much, but occasionally ugghhh. But that’s nit picking as most of the 8? D&C shows I’ve seen were enjoyable and worth the effort. Scary how big they were getting though.
First year in Boulder the place was half empty, by the last year (2019) things were getting too crowded!
It’s crazy that they still keep pullin in more fresh meat!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 10:43

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Completely agree, they could let it rip more. With Jerry at the helm, they let it shredded it.

Yes, DVikes. Gene Wilder at his best.

if so, I am at the moment

The dangerous kitchen
If it aint't one thing it's another
In the middle of the night when you get home
The bread things are all dry 'n' scratchy
The meat thing
Where the cats ate through the paper
The can things with the sharp little edges
That can cut your fingers when you're not looking
The soft little things on the floor that you step on
They can all be dangerous
Sometimes the milk can hurt you
(If you put it on your cereal
Before you smell the plastic container)
And the stuff in the strainer
Has a mind of its own
So be very careful
In the dangerous kitchen
When the night time has fallen
And the roaches are crawlin'
In the kitchen of danger
You can feel like a stranger
The bananas are black
The got flies in the back
And also the chicken
In the dish with the foil
Where the cream is all clabbered
And the salad is frightful
Your return in the evening
Can be less than delightful
You must walk very careful
You must not lean against it
It can get on you clothing
It can follow you in
As you walk to the bedroom
And you take all your clothes off
While you're sleeping
It crawls off
It gets in your bed
It could get on your face then
It could eat your complexion
You could die from the danger
Of the dangerous kitchen
Who the fuck wants to clean it?
It's disgusting and dirty
The sponge on the drainer
Is stinky and squirty
If you squeeze it when you wipe up
What you get on your hands then
Could un-balance your glands and
Make you blind or whatever
In the dangerous kitchen
At my house tonight

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 15:34

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Broke out Dicks Picks 30. Listened. Then I read wickedpedia and was reminded it’s not the complete 3/25/72. Next thing I did was relisten all the March 72 Academy of Music on to my phone. Halfway through that run of shows. It’s awesome.
The Capitol Theater February 1971 run was a kick ass set of 50th anniversaries.
Relisten has streamlined access to so many incredible Grateful Dead concerts.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 16:17

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Great poem, thanks Proudfood.

In addition to pickle spears, never mix food with psychedelics unless it involves Jell-O. On a related note, never mix psychedelics with Bill Cosby either.

Rules to live by. Just say no to pickle spears and Jell-O'less food while tripping.

so just getting around to this after throwing it out there in response to a GOGD comment about mid-set Let It Grow(s).

first set is "chock full" of all sorts of goodies. Set II strays off the beaten path into striking and beautiful territory. Shakedown kicks ass. excellent Samson. To Lay Me Down is gorgeous. and, yes, that Let it Grow! He's Gone > Other One out of Space (ca. '73 stuff). edit - i guess there's usually a Trucking sandwiched in there :)

and Stella Blue . . . .

this wasn't an official pick of the day but top shelf early 80s summer tour fun. recommend the chappel matrix, its particularly good Set II - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1982/08/03?source=93245

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 18:28

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12/15/72 I think it's another Nudie Show :)

We haven't officially done too much December '72 only 12/31/72.

Glad you appreciated that 3/30/94 OB, I was glad to stumble on to that too.
VGuy did you listen to 3/31?
Curious...

I'm on a 90s role I guess.
Stumbled into 3/11/92 today.
It's sounding good!

Need to catch up on the 8/3/82 & the 3/9/81 but... I think I can do that at some point ;)

Strider is off in the Academy of music with his Relisten app ranging the trails.

Where's that Box announcement DeadVikes?

Jim & Proudfoot stay out of the kitchen.

Alright, good stuff you all!

EDIT: BLUECROW - you've sold me. Love the mid-set Let It Grow!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 03/09/2021 - 19:48

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....Deep. And. Fried.
And no, I didn't listen to 3.31.94. Just glanced over the setlist.

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want some Coffee with that?

Gonna try and catch up on 8/3/82 today and maybe get to 3/9/81 as well.

Started out the day with the GDHour 9/2/68 revisit, cool to hear Pig laying down the tasty organ.
Wonder if this was before or after the "firing"?
I'm assuming it's after, based on both the engagement of Bob & Pig on that show.
But... I can't remember exactly.
I know the "firing" was around October '68.
But not sure when the meeting / discussions occurred.
Kinda want to hear the tape that exists of that meeting, also kinda don't.
The crowd response to St. Stephen on 9/2 always strikes me.
Fairly new song for the band at that time and I wonder how many people in the crowd in Washington had heard it or if they were just responding to it's power.

So 3/11/92 is a good show btw.
Gonna turn on King Bee 3/31/94 and check it out as I'm curious to hear it again.

Jim - I liked your take on Double Drummers in the DaP V37 post, thoughtful write up.

Basically just saying Hi and rambling on about TGOGD.
Morning!

EDIT: King Bee
Pretty Funky! Not quite the Pigpen version, but makes for a good Bob tune, and would've definitely taken this over say: Walkin' Blues, or any of the new songs.
Looks like they only played it 2 times? 12/8/93 & this final one on 3/31/94.
Never dug King Bee when I was a kid, but after hearing & seeing Jerry & Pig playing that tune at the Acid Tests I really began to appreciate it.
Now whenever I see it on a setlist I can't wait to hear it.
Funny how that happens.
Now I'm hooked.
EDIT2: Jerry & Bob give it a good tear on 12/8/93. Couple keepers!
The 90s be rockin' me this week so far.

With the rumor of Nudie Suits I started down the 12/15 rabbit hole last night. SirMick transfer sounds mighty fine so far though the song listings are off by one.

Stumbled on a Internet Archive post from attendee of 2/19/73 that I hadn't seen before. He's a regular there from what I remember.

Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 14, 2014 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
I was at the 2-19-73 show at the Amphitheater, and my recollection was they came out for the first set wearing them - and before playing the first tune, they made kind of a big deal of them. I remember Jerry and Bob bantering on about them while showing them off to the crowd a la fashion show antics. They also went on about them at some point during the first set, around either "You Ain't Woman Enough" or one of Bob's cowboy songs - I remember being amused, and the band seemed to be having fun with fancy threads. It felt like a different show when they came out for the second set wearing jeans and t-shirts . . . I have a faint memory of Jerry hanging his embroidered jacket on a chair or mic stand to show it off.

And for those of us still hoping for tapes of the whole night, and trying to remember what all was played, . . . I do remember Billy spending some time playing a big gong as a regal attention-getter, but can't for the life of me remember if it was for a possible "Morning Dew" or "Dark Star", or during the missing part of "the Other One", or even sound check??? If someone has a better memory of what was played that night, please chime in. I also remember being really curious and amused by the people behind us, going back and forth about what was played and when, and checking their notes scribbled in the dark . . . I remember thinking 'what a silly, strange and distracting thing to do' at a show . . . silly me. (https://archive.org/post/1016982/the-nudie-suits).

3/9/81 later.

I forgot about that Nudie show.
Let's make 12/15/72 the POTD today and everybody can catch up or do what they want in true GD fashion ;)

Dig those comments BlueCrow, thanks for sharing. It's amazing to think about them wearing those suits up there on stage. Great picture of Jerry, Bob & Donna from 12/15 with the tie-dye speaker cabinets behind them. Amazing. Love the way the band looked in '72.

Good times!

Glad you survived the Kitchen Proudfoot, and I'll have to look for that recording

Alright, time to go further... into the Nudie!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Wed, 03/10/2021 - 08:17

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not sure if 12/15 is a Nudie show. It's at the Long Beach Arena and is sandwiched between the Nudie Shows in Winterland 12/10-12(?) and 12/31. not that this matters much to my ears.

onward!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 03/10/2021 - 08:29

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Yeah, I was under the assumption that this photo was from 12/15/72 but can't find any confirmation quickly (love this pic)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/jpfbnw/wish_i_had_a_time…

I guess the main reason I thought that was because I used pic for my "album" cover in iTunes.
At the moment I'm totally not sure why or when I did that now that I looked around.
So.... 12/15/72 as a Nudie, not confirmed at all.

Maybe some smart person can confirm date on that photo.
It might also be from Winterland 12/31/72.

Love this stuff.

EDIT - BLUECROW Did they do the Nudie on the 12/10-12/12 run?
This might be a project for Lost Live Dead... if you're out there.
Give us the low down on the Nudie!
BTW LLD You rock, I'm amazed at how much time you've put into researching the GD and it's always fascinating.
Big Fan!!

I did find another picture that appears from to be that same show with Donna in red dated as 2/19/73 so I'd need to do some further research to attribute a specific date to that photo.

Isn't there a group of cats that focus on dating photos?

I've been meaning to look into that.
I wanna check out their work.

Alright, I'll just say this... whoo hoo Grateful Dead!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Wed, 03/10/2021 - 10:17

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They definitely wore Nudies 12/12 per a concert attendee towards end of that same Internet Archive thread.
"Poster: corry Date: May 13, 2014 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
I saw the Grateful Dead at Winterland on December 12, 1972. Jerry, Bob and Phil wore nudie suits, I think Keith may have at least had a Nudie jacket. They did not change clothes. I saw them numerous times afterwards, but I never saw them wear Nudie Suits again. Of course, it was my first Dead show and I thought nothing of it. I figured they always wore such things. It turned out I was wrong, but well, that's life."

I think the really nice color photos with Jerry, Donna in red, and Bob are from 12/12/72. I've seen photos from what is clearly the same show also attributed to New Years '72, 2/19/73, and Nassau 3/19/73. The reason I think 12/12 (or another date in that run) is that Jerry is playing a really distinctive guitar. It's the Erlewine Stratocaster that Garcia played for a handful of shows in fall '72 - note the really big numbers on the neck. Reddit comment: "Made by dan erlewine (he’s the lead personality for the stewmac guitar tips channel) in the early 70’s, it features a rosewood pick guard and the funny number fret markers. Not much else is known about this guitar, and this is really the only show where he used it. Odd, because erlewine states it was a custom build for Garcia himself. Erlewine states here that it was a laminate maple neck, the wood from an “ancient piano”. He himself states it wasn’t the greatest build standard. Saying this, it’s not really a surprise that it never really showed up at any other gigs, as we all know Garcia was pretty particular (for good reason) and the weird design choice was probably why. It had a stop tail piece and a brass nut, very similar to alligator. He asked for $500, and Garcia gave him $900!" https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/dszksk/dressd_to_the_1_3… I ran into dead links trying to pursue this one further.

Disregard the above as to "this" being the "only" show Jerry played it at. Known shows for Erlewine Stratocaster here - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2019/08/jerry-garcia-instrument-history-…

per Deadessays 12/12/72 is penultimate known date Jerry played the Erlewine in concert. He played it one last time for part of that great Des Moines show on 5/13/73!!

photos with strong attribution for 2/19/73 show Garcia playing Alligator - https://www.gdao.org/items/show/831582

photos of New Years show seem to show Jerry with Alligator also. Plus, given how high profile the New Year show was, if Jerry played the Erlewine you think that would have been noted.

I came across a version of the Nassau movie that is synched up to audio - the footage is playing in the band. I'll see if I can find the link. Very cool time capsule, fuzzy as it is. You can see Phil really groovin in that Phil way from time to time.

as for 12/15/72 - big time excellent (edit - with some weird tape speed stuff going on in Trucking)

edit - brief video clip of Jerry showing off the Erlewine Strat, shared by Sam Cutler 9/20 on his facebook page (from comments on Deadessays). - https://www.facebook.com/1419240388141325/videos/462957607997895/?hc_re…

I pretty much don't do facebook but Sam's page is very cool. Looks like he just opened a youtube channel last few days!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 03/10/2021 - 10:51

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Nice Sleuthing BlueCrow!

I like to see that.
Some good info here, I read through it in haste, but will circle back and take it in with some nice music for the soundtrack.
Thinking 12/15/72 ;)

Nice work!

Looking at 11/15/71, Austin. Another stellar Road Trips release, #3.2. Extra credit for the bonus disc 11/14/71.
Let me know if this works for today.

I noticed the Road Trips releases were not Rhino releases. Anybody know why? I know they had the contact with the Dead during that time period and were releasing other shows and box sets during this period.

Let's get some real news on this year's box set. Anybody? Bolo?

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 07:38

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All this talk about nudie suits. I'm looking at the picture and I'm thinking, I'm missing something here. I thought "nudie" suits were coveralls that made you looked nude. Not country western hank williams type jackets!!!!

DUH!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 07:38

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DV - up the road a year right now as I'm listening to 11/22/72 - I think most folks were here (11/22) not too long ago but I was off in the weeds somewhere. wanted to hear one of the shows with the Erlewine guitar.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 07:40

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Dennis - intro to wikipedia entry - "Nuta Kotlyarenko (December 15, 1902 – May 9, 1984), known professionally as Nudie Cohn, was an American tailor who designed decorative rhinestone-covered suits, known popularly as "Nudie Suits", and other elaborate outfits for some of the most famous celebrities of his era.[1][2] He also became famous for his outrageous customized automobiles."

more at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudie_Cohn

your confusion is understandable - it's an "unusual" name

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 07:50

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Sounds like some Texas Dead today.

Those November '72 PITBs... my oh my!

And... that 12/15/72 PITB! That was great, along with that jam out of Truckin' > Dark Star > Morning Dew.
Tasty stuff.
Good show that one, Garcia & Lesh are on FIRE!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 08:08

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so I'd never taken a look at any of the custom autos he did until now - just want to share this profile of one cause it is so completely over the top and the article has got great photos - https://www.car-revs-daily.com/2015/11/22/1963-pontiac-bonneville-roy-r…

sort of fits in with the Texas theme ;)

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 08:21

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The Garcia Nudie Cost unfortunately burned up in a fire. The story is on internet and how the person obtained the coat, it was lost in a house fire. To bad, nice collectors item.

I had never heard of them either. I have seen pics of Jerry in the jacket though.. Learn something new every day.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 21:26

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Yea, that is weird.. they signed a ten year deal with Rhino in 2005, I believe FW the Complete Recordings was the last item truly released by GD Merchandising.. the Download Series came out about the same time. The first Road Trips didn't come out until 2007, but you are correct.. the label for the early Road Trips was Grateful Dead. I still suspect Rhino was involved they just hadn't hashed out all the details of the transition and finalized the legalese.

I do remember there being a hold up.. Dicks Picks stopped, digital downloads were not very satisfying.. and then the Road Trips announcement a year and a half later. Also, they did four Road Trips per year except in the final year when we got Road Trips 4.5 from Boston (a good one) so season four had five quarters. So something changed mid stride, there must have been something going on behind the scenes.

The first CD that was officially released under Rhino records was Road Trips Volume 4 Number 2. They talk about it a bit on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_discography#Road_Trips

It took me some time to find my Road Trips to figure this out, they were not on the usual shelf because they are sort of a different size and shape.. after some digging I found them randomly mixed in with the brown paper bags we use to pack lunches, I can see how you would make that mistake.. Looking through all these, Blair Jackson was much more involved and wrote liner notes. It looks like Scott McDougal did the artwork. Ahh... the priceless bonus discs.

A rough transition and vanishing profits? It was about the same time we saw Blair's Golden Road disappear and a new take on the cover art, an attempt to cut costs??? Anyway, I don't miss the lunch bag cardboard and I welcome (for the most part) complete shows. #ReleaseMore68!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 03/11/2021 - 22:17

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Jim, don't you keep these under lock and key?

Thanks for the information and checking it out.

I will say for those of you that don't have RT3.2, do yourself a favor and go get it. To my ears, one of the best quality recordings I have ever heard. Rex Jackson knew what he was doing and must have passed it on to Betty.
Oh and the Dark Star, El Paso, Dark Star is fantastic!

Stay well.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 03/12/2021 - 08:36

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Nice!

Total rookie move, I was so enamored by the Nudie suits, it didn't cross my mind to look at the instruments.
I dig Bob with his suit & an SG.
Sad to hear Jerry's suit burned up.
But def a story here behind the short lived Nudie suits.

How'd that Erlewine guitar sound on 11/22 BlueCrow?

Love that November '72 tour.
And gotta give another shout out to 12/15/72 PITB & Jam out of Truckin' > Dark Star.
If you missed it, def revisit those tunes for a fun trip.
Jerry guitar licks at the beginning of the Jam.. otherworldly.

Alright, I'm lost.
I missed the Texas Dead yesterday.
Found myself listening to 12/15/72 PITB & Dark Star again and reading about Nudie suits & guitar forensics.
Checked out the 8/3/82 which was fun, but I was distracted and mostly paid attention to TLMD & Let It Grow which are worth the trip.

And then stumbled into some more '90s goodness.
This time Set 2 of 3/18/95.
I'd recommend it to 90s fans & doubters.
If only for the Iko, listen to Jer having fun!
If that doesn't bring a smile, well I can't help ya.
But all of Set 2 makes for a good time if you ask me.

If there's a pick for today, I can't tell.
But if not I might seek out the Erlewine guitar sound.

As for RoadTrips, I know I heard Dave talk about the discussion with Rhino to end the Road Trips series and start Dave's Picks. I think it probably was something that was started or in the works before the Rhino partnership / formula was really established. Def sounds like there was opposition from Heads who wanted full shows and the series was not a hit in regards to sales and feedback. Can't say I love the format in comparison to Dave's Picks.
But I will say this.. if they release it, I want it ;)
"If you build it, they will come." - ghost voice

All in all, good stuff you guys, Happy Friday!

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I was eyeballing 3/19/86..

Check out that Visions from 3/18/95 & I'll check out 4/22/86 and we can compare :)
(but you should prob check out all of that Set 2 at some point)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 03/12/2021 - 11:56

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He writes everything's been returned which was owed

Dig it. Box > Visions of Johanna. That's a hell of an opener.

I'd say Visions & She Belongs To Me are my two favorite Dylan covers by Jer.

It always strikes me when I listen to Visions, that Jer only played it with the GD during the two years he was essentially dying.

That's powerful stuff.

Sure do like this band!

Thanks for the share Proudfoot.

PS - What.. No Box Set news?!?!
But I second big props to all the GD Women!
And Phil's got a Bday coming up :)
Bird noises during Bird Song on 4/22/86 are groovy.

Ya got my eye since I was at this one. The tour I barely remember, veg fest 86....
According to a poster on archive, it’s on YouTube? If so, that’s my entertainment tonight ; )

11/4&15/71: DV, interesting your thoughts on quality for this one? Though I dig much of it, parts sound pretty distorted to me? I’ve noticed similar on E72 shows and perhaps others from this era. Didn’t spend quality time so I’d have to go back etc, but I’m thinking it’s just their actual rigs I,e., they had to push those old Fenders since they weren’t using McIntosh MC 2300 power amps yet on the instruments...so I’m sure part of it is their just playing loud and overdriving their rigs etc, but it could also be tape over saturation too? I remember this one really surprising me though when I first got it.

What else?
The 82 was cool but not mind blowing. Nice solid 82 show though perhaps a tad mellow?
The 3/9/81 seemed a little meh to me? Now I was doing other things but still, usually there are enough things in a good show that will divert my attention...but maybe it was just situational?
Forget where else y’all been poking around? Haven’t messed with those 72s? Guess I’m still burned out on early 70s stuff...meaning burned out on the same old Bob tunes over and over....definitely been editing some of those outta my mix...

3/18/95 looks interesting, same with the night before? But,
Think I might go 6/6/92 just cause nothing else really shaking and I’m trying to (sort of) work my way through post 91 shows that I was at, but maybe haven’t heard, or official releases from the time, that I haven’t got to YET...I’m looking at you Boxilla! Also, have shit to do so this would be a good one for secondary listening...

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 03/12/2021 - 13:25

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3/19/86 OB

Some good jams on this one.
Started up at:
Visions > TMNS
China > Rider, PITB > D> S
and it is working on this Sunny Friday afternoon :)

Sounds like it was fun!

PS - OB Taper's Compendium gives cool review, great story about Truckin'.
Just listened and it gives some fun insight to what you’re hearing:
Guess they were fixin' Bob's mic.
He was acting agro.
Once fixed, he proceeds to forget all the words.
Then at the end… they shred the place down!!
Bring back any memories?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 03/12/2021 - 18:42

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RT3. 2. Give it another shot Oroborous. The official release is spectacular. I don't hear any distortion. I know Doc will weigh in on this show at some point but we might have to wait until November.

Anyway, when I look at some of my favorite early 70 releases, there is a common theme, Rex Jackson.

Are you still out there Otis? Carlo? Charlie?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 03/13/2021 - 09:34

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It being the weekend I’m home and have plans to listen to a lot of GOGD.
Currently working my way through 12-19-73% DP1.
This definitely screams for remastering, full on Plangentization/Normanization. Then Box it up with 12-18-73 and a few other shows from December 73.

Next I’ll move on DV’s pick.

Also am thinking of doing 2-28-69 vinyl since I went with digital on the anniversary.

Vguy,
I’m enjoying some YLT too. Been checking out some of the YouTube offerings. Will definitely try to catch them live, hopefully in the not too distant future.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 03/13/2021 - 10:05

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for me is 3 26 72
Thats a Daves methinks

Also 5 26 95

If any 95 show deserves a release, I say 5 26 95 should be considered
3 18 was a TTATS, methinks again
7 9 because its historical significance

I will get out 7 19 74 and put it in the CD case I keep as an on-deck circle of sorts. It holds 64 plus CDs

thats a big on-deck circle

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 03/13/2021 - 10:31

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I guess I’ll have to do some more research? Worried I might have a batch of stuff I copied around the same time that all sounds funky...no idea how or why?
3/19/86 is on YouTube and not too bad considering...biggest surprise is JGs stage presence etc. He Doesn’t seem to jam as much, but he’s moving around and getting into the music, like more into the song then the playing if that makes sense? He’s big as a house and bloated but otherwise he looks pretty good! Not a chin hang in sight ; )
Maybe not great but a good show with a few wobblies. A good outing for a tour opener.
Bobs all full of the piss, he’s loud and proud on the video, including the whole fun Truckin/bad mic cable scene. Unfortunately It only seems vaguely familiar as I’ve seen similar antics, though perhaps never seen him jump to Phil’s mic? Being a roadie, I’m sure I was aware of the situation but I just can’t recall?
So I still don’t recall much, like how I got there or who with lol, though I’m sure I was hanging near the board.
Cool runs (Hampton & Philly); first Visions, First Box return, First Road Runner, First Desolation, and the second of only 6 Hand Jives.

I’ll try and get to 17 but we usually listen to other stuff on the weekends and I actually feel like reading for a change...
ONWARD!