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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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  • JimInMD
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    There is really only one solution. It's a bit complicated.. so hang in there with me. This is what we all need to do.

    1) Get out the credit card with the greatest limit.
    2) Google, select and purchase the new Wall of Sound, Home Edition TM (C) R with this credit card. As soon as the purchase is made destroy this card.
    3) DO NOT TELL your partner/significant other.
    4) Go to the roughest bar in town and tell some raunchy mom jokes to the bouncer. Keep doing this until he pummels you.
    5) Come home and tell your partner / significant other you were mugged and robbed. Tell them all they took was your credit card.
    6) If your partner is suspicious file a police report.
    7) Install the WOS Home Edition in your listening room while your partner is not home. If complaints arise later, amnesia from the head trauma is your response. "honey, I am having trouble remembering anything from that week.
    8) Replay Dave's Picks 38 at high volume.

    Your sound issues are now resolved. Happy listening.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    The levels are too high

    I mentioned that a while ago, after others had already detected it with headphones.

    I played the CDs twice on my stereo system are did not detect any sound issues.
    Onkyo 6-disc CD changer
    Cambridge Audio receiver
    Onkyo subwoofer
    Bose 301 speakers

    I then imported to computer and made ALAC files for my music players and AAC files to play from a USB flash drive in the car.
    When I played the imported AIFF files on the computer there was extensive distortion through the small external computer speakers.
    The colored bars that show the sound levels (not volume) on the computer audio software were almost hitting red. Clearly too high, but don’t know if that is on the original recording or the result of mastering.
    Recall that on 8-25-72 Norman boosted Phil’s bass beyond what was on the original recording.
    Maybe he boosted the levels for this release.

    I played the ALAC files with an iBasso DX120 music player connected to my Cambridge Audio receiver. Did not detect any distortion or other sound flaws.
    Been playing the AAC files in the car this week and have not heard any issues so far (set 2 started just before getting to work today).

    So, it definitely depends on your system whether you hear the issues.
    Crappy computer speakers sound terrible.
    Apparently a high end system like Oro’s reveals the sound problems too.
    My midrange system sounds good as does the audio system in my car.

  • unkle sam
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    Upon several listens to these cd's, I concur, this release has a few abnormalities that don't take away from the overall enjoyment of listening to these discs, but they are noticeable and makes me wonder if it was the master tape or was it a mailed in mastering job?
    This has also made me wonder, will the rest of Dave's sound like this? I love me some Jerry right up front, why I'm here, but there should be a better balance of all the players in a band, not just one or two.
    Disappointing? yes, deal breaker? not sure yet, will have to wait and see, but if there is any more killer shows that they do want to release, lets hope that the folks who do the mastering of these ancient tapes does a little bit better job than this release.
    On a separate note, I was privileged to receive a code for the Dead and Company presale going on today at 10 am. Funny, I did not receive a code last tour, not privileged I guess. The price for these tickets is outrageous. A vip guaranteed reserve seat is over 250.00$. That's for one ticket.
    It was fun getting excited like the old days, yahoo, the dead to tour, get your head together, get some tickets, get excited, get ready.....then I realized that those days are over for me. I can go see Billy strings, get a great hotel room, then go to the hot air balloon festival and get to ride on a hot air balloon, all for the same amount of cash. Kinda seems like a no brainer here, twice as much fun for the same dollars.
    I realize that Bobby, Mickey and Billy are getting up there and there won't be too many more tours for them, and I would love to revisit these guys one more time.
    The last time I tried to get tickets and got them, the show was cancelled due to Mayer's appendicitis. I don't want to jinx it so I will pass on this tour, besides, it's just too soon for me to be out there with all those vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Too all those who decide to go, enjoy.

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    I ultimately reached the conclusion that part of the issue is how people are listening. I do not listen on headphones, computer speakers or use any type of equalizer. So far I have not listened in the car. I did try using Dolby on one of our stereo systems, which reduced the noise to a certain extent, but not entirely.

  • dreading
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    I've been in the record business all my life and agree with AJS. There is almost no way an audio anomaly like what was described could occur on some discs and not others for Dave's Picks. These discs are pressed ùfrom the same master. There would need to be two different master mixes for a subset of CDs to contain an anomaly. I would say the player could be a factor, but Obo ruled that out already. I assume like Jim said we are not counting Bertha because it is uneven for obvious reasons. I hear a decent sounding 1973 show here. The master tapes sound better better than Pacific Northwest but not as good as DaP 5. I don't hear many audio issues at all. I would like to hear what Obo and AJS are disliking. I whipped out the Bose headphones and all I hear is Jerry "shredding". What a night he is having. Weir too. Early on somebody said Keith was gone and that is true. Every once in a while I will hear a section that sounds like a tunnel for 5 or 10 seconds, but they are few and far between. Or Weir will just stop playing like in China Cat Sunflower but he needs to rest sometimes. He played China Cat, HCS, EOTW and Bird Song all in one night ;-)

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    The chances are virtually nil that some defect would have only affected such a small number of discs. Furthermore, it only occurs on the 9/8 show, not 9/7. I am very surprised as well that others are not hearing it.

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    I don't hear it, which isn't saying much. I rip everything to my hard drive as WAV files and run them through an equalizer with a bunch of sound options. "Concert Hall" is perfect for these old Dead tapes, plus I push up the four EQ sliders all the way to the right about halfway.

    That being said Oborious, this sentence got my attention. You say:

    I’ve noticed the phenomena/artifact on several instruments and vocals, usually only noticeable when that source is loud and/or with sharp attack...but it’s never like everything is distorting all at the same time.

    This phenomena sounds like something Norman may have done in production. It sounds like a feature I have that prevents clipping at high volume. I am a fan of good sound but no engineer so I will copy the internet definition, which you probably know:

    Clipping is a form of waveform distortion that occurs when an amplifier is overdriven and attempts to deliver an output voltage or current beyond its maximum capability. Driving an amplifier into clipping may cause it to output power in excess of its power rating.

    When I play stuff too loud this feature cuts back on only the parts that are causing the clipping. It is obvious to the ear when this feature on my system gets activated. It sounds exactly like your description where you say 'several instruments and vocals, usually only noticeable when that source is loud and/or with sharp attack...but it’s never like everything is distorting all at the same time.'

    My theory is that the master tapes Jeff Norman worked with had some hot spots so he used a feature like what I have on my equalizer to "even out" all the levels as he input the music from the master tapes on to a digital storage.

    I am not sure why I don't hear it but I guess my EQ is dressing it up. If I listen to the CD with no EQ it sounds like the treble needs to get turned up all the way. Even then it doesn't sound even close to the quality of the EQ and Concert Hall enhancement. It makes me curious if a lot of people out there listen straight off the CD with nothing 'extra' to improve the sound.

    On a different note I laughed heartily at the quacking duck interview. Well done whoever made that up. It sounds like something Jerry would say.

    And last, I listened to the Dark Star / Morning Dew that KF mentioned on 5/18/72. I don't know how I overlooked that one but it is much better than I remembered. Somehow the Europe 72 Dark Stars never stuck with me. Probably because I rarely play those shows. Only because I want them to be special every time.

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    Great joke.. made my day.
    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Yes.. the sound on 38 is a bit wobbly in the beginning. But isn't that Grateful Dead standard time? It sounds ok by the time they get warmed up.

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    Next up on the E72 anniversary list. What at a great show. And it's Dark Star => Morning Dew night.
    I'm going to go out on limb here and say it's the first time they did this combo. This is one of my favorite shows from the tour. Jerry's guitar is louder than usual (and louder is always better). Crunchy guitars are tight!

    Sugar Magnolia really hits a groove, and Billy has this absolutely ridiculous drum fill at the....drum fill part; I've never heard him play it quite like this - it's like gets a running headstart. Great version despite a classic Bobby lyric miss early on (proof of the weed).

    Jack Straw is great. This is maybe the second one where Jerry sings the Watchman and Tulsa verses, and Bobby forgets it's not his line anymore - so they both jump the Watchman - not a fair fight at all.

    And some great banter after Black-Throated Wind. Jerry always makes me laugh up there. He was the king of one-liners:

    Girl Fan (to Jerry): Lovelight!

    Jerry: Turn on YOUR Lovelight baby.

    Girl Fan: You Turn on yours first.

    Jerry: Oh no, after you...

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    Sound quality on 38

    I was surprised this is the first real discussion about it. I got my copies a week ago, and have made it through the Bonus and Bird Song and Playing as I ripped and converted and had 9/7 first. Also, made it up to Weather Report Suite on the release. The sound struck me as incredibly washy, and while it's great to hear Keith and Bob much more than usual (some releases you wonder if Keith played on much at all from his presence on the tapes, but these are great for Keith fans!), so I just balance that with the cymbal heavy mix. Maybe they were trying new mic placements for the drums. Not Kidd Candelario's best tape by any stretch. He's usually top notch, though. Jai Alai Fronton last year is a phenomenal Kidd tape. That may be my favorite Wall of Sound release for sound quality.

    Also, I'm surprised, or have missed, no reference to the Bonus Eyes ending not with its Slipknotish jam, but ending with a Here Comes Sunshine jam. A fantastic Eyes! Phil with a different start to his solo, and a different feel, maybe reacting to the Wolf darting around? So far enjoying the release and bearing with the sound.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Security was not, front row! Woohoo!

How will Dave make us laugh/smile this time ; )

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....and I caved and got the shirt too. Figuring how a probably saved a lot of money the past year by not going to concerts, I figured I would splurge on myself. Shirt looks cool.

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Gave #37 a re-listen last night, really looking forward to this one though. Long tent pole show, first in a while.....

Dave you b******d, didn’t even give us a crumb, LOL.
Just “it’s gonna be a good year”, ssssshhheeeoooottt, it’s May already,
some of us might not make it ; )

In the mean time, I do luvs me sum 73!

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It does look like Ann "Skelletor" Coulter...lol

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An excellent choice, Dave. Best guitar separation of Bobby and Jerry ever. Ramble On Rose, as noted, really highlights.

Bobby is best heard with a piano rather than an organ, which almost totally washes all his chord comping. No crowd noise either.

As I said at the beginning, excellent choice, Dave. What else ya got?

Byrd

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I'm looking forward to this release more than I have any other for quite some time. I think the fact that I didn't subscribe meant that I might miss out - so when my payment finally went through I felt more appreciative than I normally do

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Can someone who has received theirs please share with us the song list?
Sounds like potentially a couple hours worth...though if you add the 2 9/7 songs listed on the track listing for DaP 38, that’s about 32 minutes. The written description near page bottom says about 35 minutes, and Dave says about 40 minutes...yes I am greedy and want every luscious moment I can get ; )

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Listening party soundz a lot like DP #37...

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I haven’t listened but it looked funny; like, where’s the Candyman?
Ooopppss

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Always nice to have these new releases going into a weekend so they can get their due (Dew?)
Bonus disc is niiiiiice.

Also got mine in a very tightly sealed carboard box, which was in a green plastic bag. No chance it could get accidentally damaged or wet unless it was a steamroller. So odd there are clearly differing levels of attention in this detail as they go out.

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Ok...got mine today...will give 'er a spin...one thing though...I noticed for # 37 and the new one that they now ship in flimsy plastic mailers that offer no protection...previously we were getting them in small sturdy cardboard mailers...I'm afraid that with these plastic bags someone is going to get a damaged set...just my two centavos...excuse me now...gotta spin this before wifey gets home from work...

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My DaP 38 was in a cardboard box which was then in a plastic bag.

Oro,
Most of Set 2 is on the bonus disc (I think, don’t have it in front of me). Bird Song is filler on CD2 and Playing is filler on CD3.

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There are 2 Stella Blues too. Played two nights in a row.

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The Listening Party - nice though it is - consists of, as remarked earlier, tracks from DP 37, to wit, Let It Grow, Deal (end of set 1), and Candyman (track 3 from set 2).

But as my copy of DP 38 hasn't arrived yet, I'd like to hear the WRS, Ramble On Rose, and He's Gone.

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38 is now on sale to the general public and still no shipping notification for me in Denver. Don’t leave me hanging Dave! Excited for this release

wheeeeeerezzzzz my copy???

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....i think they posted the wrong show.
edit. Ah. I see some of you have already noticed this.

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It would be a really nice t-shirt too, if it didn’t have Dave’s name plastered across the front. Is it a Grateful Dead t-shirt or a Dave t-shirt? Who the fuck knows? Take your pick.

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O.K. I gave it a second lesson on a different stereo system altogether. The first was with four speaker surround-sound, the second with just floorstanding speakers. I can still hear some kind of distortion or something going on. At first I thought it was the cymbals being too high in the mix. Not sure what it is.

Overall an excellent release. But, the sound quality keeps it below DaP5.

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I'm calling BS on the listening party tracks. The LIG is clearly from '77 era shows. And the other two tracks [ROR/He's Gone] don't match what's actually included in the stream. What do I win Jim?

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Very brief comment, as I have only had a chance to listen to first disc... the distortion I hear most shows up most clearly on some vocals, for example, esp. Jerry on Sugaree... mikes seem to be bit over modulated, levels a tad too high. The sibilants (Shake... juSt... Sugaree... ) usually will show it, could be a too close encounter with the mike, because its not heard on all sibilants... just SSSSSayin'

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Is that a Taylor Swift t-shirt underneath there?

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After looking thru all the stuff in the Store, I think a name change to the Daveful Dead is probably in order. We never had an Owsley, Candalario, Healy, Betty, Bob, Bobby, Jerry, Phil, Billy, Mickey, etc., Dead, but hey, now, times change and who the hell will all be around to argue once the lawyers are done.

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The second part of the listening party (Deal, Candyman) might be from Dave's Picks vol. 37!
In this very moment I realize Deadeasy posted the same!
Well in 2 hours it's May here in europe!
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Bonus disc filler Schwing

Bird Song ** Playing in The Band
Let It Grow -> Stella Blue
Truckin -> Drums -> The Other One Jam -> Eyes of the World -> Sugar Magnolia

Probably one or two more songs with the big jams. There's a lot of good stuff from 9/7/73 first set. Hopefully it's a couple of these They Love Each other El Paso or Row Jimmy Looks Like Rain back to back combo. There's been some smoking jams from 1973 on the tapers section here recently and these two nights at Nassau Coliseum have some of that same stardust

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Love the nod to David Byrd’s poster for the Nassau shows in March on the 15th & 16th, (and then a third night on the 19th not mentioned on the poster), with the folks in the background! He’s Truckin’ and She’s Posin’ as Byrd’s poster says next to these same characters! Excellent work Helen Kennedy!

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I have known Jay Kerley for going on 50 years. The man is in the know. Pretty sure I went to more Dead concerts over the years with Jay than anyone. Big up!

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The Deal on that listening party, sure sound a lot like something from say 1978 when Donna is screeching towards the end of the song. I've never heard that in prior years and certainly not 1973.

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Thankfully. Just finished it. Gorgeous He's Gone and Ramble On Rose, and a mighty fine debut of Weather Report Suite. Always been a fan of the whole thing more than what I feel is more abrupt and incomplete Let It Grow. Which, I still would have been pumped for a Let It Grow, especially set closer, but my introduction to the song was Jazz is Dead in 1999 when I heard their ripping jazz fusion instrumental version with Jimmy Herring playing the vocal lines, as well as searing leads and rapidfire rhythm https://youtu.be/UzpeMhtxrF4
I was blown away. Within the year, I happened upon the newly released Dick' Picks 14, which apparently was the last one to come out while Dick was still around, and here was 4cds of this band I had some familiarity with (Cornell, 3/1/69, 9/3/77), and here were 2 shows from an era I didn't have with songs I had just gotten to know in an instrumental jazz fusion fashion. And this set had not one, but two versions, and two Playing in the Bands, and opened and ended with Morning Dew. All there at Best Buy for like 25 bucks. So, made the easy call, and while I enjoyed the set a lot, it didn't initiate the deep dive into the Dead that took about a decade to really commence. And by that point I was catching up on DiP 12 with the monster WRS> Jam> US Blues, and the Winterland '73 box with its three excellent WRSuites, so this release is right in my wheelhouse. Can't wait for it to arrive. Received a shipping notice about 1am, still no tracking, but one can hope it's already out and about looking for me. The Listening Party was a good snack...

Oh, and was able to get another glass, so two for two thus far, and also got the shirt. Liked the look of it, and it not having a skull on it may allow me to wear around the wife without her pointing out the shirt I have on has a skeleton on it.

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The eyes from the bonus disk is real fine. Jerry really hits the high notes at the 16:55 minute mark. I also picked up the t-shirt which I love. P.S.- Is it me or does the crow on the bonus disk have a couple of claws twisted 180° in the wrong direction?

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But I was initially hoping for an official release of 6-9 and 10-73, which would be swell!

Maybe Dick Latvala didn't think it was that good but a lot of other heads, me included, seems to think so. I have a tape of 6-10-73 since 1985 but a bit muddy sounded and not in chronological order. It would be great to have it in order mastered by Jeffrey Norman. Including the third set with the Allmans of course. :-)

But I will appreciate DP 38 for the time being. ;-)
It was shipped on April 23rd and will hopefully be here before the end of May, or at least early June. :-)

Micke Östlund,
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For the 50th anniversary of the Europe 72 tour I'd like to see the powers that be select a few of the shows and apply all of the new technology available to enhance the sound quality (Plangent etc...) of these shows. (Give Jeffrey some time). I'd buy it.

But it does look like her, dang Dave, gone Madonna on us?

Thanks for the cover art catch being from the spring show, not sure I would have caught that! And as I posted on 37, I have that poster.

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Dead.net WEB Site could use some TLC . Get rid of the "Who Are You" pop up (don't mind the song). Lately it seems every icon click leads to the table of contents instead of interior web pages. Did the monkey grab the keys to the IT Control Room? Would rather order merch from my laptop or desktop not my iphone. Oh Well, going to get some new flagpole rope to fly my new STEALIE flag.

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I listened to the CD’s and all played fine with no distortion or audio problems. Have the files on a computer now as I convert to various formats for use on music players.

Note: on crappy computer speakers there is a lot of distortion (mostly Phil). I didn’t notice any when I played the CD’s on my stereo system.

Bonus track list:
111:37

Bird Song
Playing
Here Comes Sunshine
Let It Grow>
Stella Blue
Truckin’>
Drums>
Other One Jam>
Eyes>
Sugar Mag

Edit:
Now playing the bonus disc on home stereo and there is no distortion or audio problems.
When playing the files on a computer the audio levels (as shown by the audio software) were close to saturation. So, if you hear distortion try it on better speakers. This may account for the previous posts by people who listened with headphones and thought they detected distortion and/or saturation.

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....I know. Toxic.
Seabird17 got a Stealie flag!
Now that's a flag I can get behind! Unlike the flags that perminated recent years. But I digress.
Edit....Nassau arriving on
May Day.
Double bonus bonus.

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So I was reading an article about Jerry Garcia and the line where it said he died at the age of 53 really set me back. 53. Wow.

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