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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
August 30, 2012

To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
January 17, 2018

AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Hockey is the original extreme sport.......

I think I went to a Dead show, and a hockey game broke out......

I saw the Russians vs Bruins, think it was 72, man those guys could skate!

Hockey rockey on!

Doc
The greatest hockey player who ever lived: Bobby Orr, and I love him......

Hockey is the unofficial official sport of the dead....

....and Phish. All members can skate.
I'm amazed at how they can just stand on them, let alone go 30 mph.

and the golden kniggits win!

I trust you had a good time at the game. Vguy

Dap 24

I am playing this at a little beer party and some are saying they have never had this tape and are asking to get them the cd. Unfortunately I just cant lend it because it is like the trader tapes of old. Now you see it, and now you don't. I did tell them to subscribe. That's the best I could do.

Two cool shows.......

Two cool shows from the Fillmore West, 6/7/69 & 6/7/70, both would make great releases.

Vguy

You should go to more games. The GKs look good. The series could easily be 3-1 in your favor.

The Habs? Who knew?

Congrats

Vguy, ya picked a hell of a game to go to!
That first period was amazing, then...not sure what happened?
I don’t like what I’m feelin, my dog sense is all weird, think I need to start barking!

And what about those Habs!
Who’d a thunk it?

Well the joint was jumping....

....going around and round. Maaaan, that much fun should be illegal. My ears are still ringing. I'm hungover, but I don't care. Place was electric. Go Knights Go!!!

Knights

Even I saw that game.. Looked for but didn't see the beard though.

Full House (T-Mobile, Not The Lame Show)

VGuy - You saw a “barn burner”, and a FULL house, to boot. For Toronto’s final game (tear drop), they allowed 500 health care workers in! A nice gesture, but after 24/7 Covid work, it might as well have been 5,000 Nuns,
these folks were too pooped to party.
Regardless, it must feel nice to be back among the “peeps” again, and what a game!!

Oro/Angry Jack - I may have to consider seppuku if the lackey running dogs Habs get to the semi-finals. At least the Isles laid a beating on the Bruins…

(ignorant Deadheads want to know...)

(who are the Habs?)

Habs

Montreal Canadiens.

Coming to your town next season…

Les Habitants

or to us, the Habs

MIKE: careful with that Samurai Sydney....
So if the Habs make it to the finals, and I rooted for em, would you still be my neighbor (cue Fred Rogers)

HENDRIX FREAK: good to see your still out kicking ass!

6/7/69 Fillmore West

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVPDAuqamQ. Electric Apple juice backstage, Janis Joplin makes a guest appearance, Garcia kicks it off Dire Wolf. very cool show. This would make a nice release. It's box set time, hopefully a bunch of cool shows from 1969.

major suckage today

son's catalytic converter (the cheap replacement one) got stolen AGAIN.

and today the district's internet connection has taken 7 quaaludes and gone for a swim in a vat of molasses.

grr...

Explanation

I have none. Other than Price, the Habs aren't that good. They had the lowest regular season point total of any team in the playoffs.

My only thought is that the hockey gods are exacting revenge on the Jets for Scheifele's Dale Hunter like hit on Evans. Gotta love it when guys like that whine about their suspension and the "abuse" their families are taking after the fact. Hey Dickwad, it's all on you. Suck it up and deal with it. Evans is out indefinitely because you behaved like a total jackass.

Let's go Isles.

Amen!

cheating at hockey

I only played hockey about twice, back in the 1970s. The best thing about it, as I recall, was tripping people up who were better than me with that stick. Actually ,tripping people up who are better than you is quite a rewarding thing to do in any field of activity.

No Malice, Oro

No problem Oro, if you cheer for the Habs. But around here, it is a definite Hatfield-McCoy thing with them.

Jack - Agree 110% on Scheiffle. He deserves more. It’s funny you mention Dirty Dale Hunter - I knew a bunch of guys that played high level hockey, and a friend of a workmate got a training camp tryout with the Quebec Nordiques, before they moved to Colorado, and Hunter was on the team. Buddy attends camp, had no idea who Hunter was, but thought the best way to get noticed was to take a run at someone. So buddy takes a run at Hunter. Needless to say, about ten less teeth later, he got cut. Sometimes brains and sports don’t mix!

Unrelated, but my Workingman Dead t-shirt is fading like it was printed with chalk, and I’ve worn it maybe a dozen times!! WTF!? Mickey Hart is kinda Ickey Har now. Yet my Egypt 78 shirt keeps going and going. Dear Quality Control…

Sounds like

Daverocks a Bs fan ; )

You know my Workingmans tee will not fade away...

....mine is fading fast as well. Good to see I'm not the only one I guess. Weir looks like a ghost.

That Gainesville item is going fast!

What's hockey?

No T Shirt Problems

It seems different shirts have different styles and print "thickness". My shirts have been great. Halloween (ugh I forget what year- all orange and black with candles); June 1976 yellow and green tie die; PNW greyish tie die with a great print; and DaP 30 black with front cover of yikes bonus disc or the regular release, I forget. All good though after many washes.

T Shirt Follies

I voiced a little frustration on the subject a few weeks ago. Most are cheaply made, quite thin and have sizing and other seemingly third world issues like they got them from the chicklet kids in Tijuana. My Anthem 50th t shirt is so paper thin I don't wear it if I think it's going to rain. I still sometimes buy them but they are honestly some of the poorest quality t-shirts I own. Well.. they are organic, but that's all I see they have going for them.

I would say up the quality and charge a couple more dollars but they are not cheap to begin with. A few years back someone must have said, charge a couple extra dollars and shop for cheaper materials so now they are boxed into a corner. I buy less than I would if they were decent.. so they make more per unit but are likely selling less units.

They need to be made from thicker or more substantial cotton for one, start there. Some of the more recent ones are a little better.. perhaps find a decent vendor and stick with them instead of playing disappearing ink or wet t-shirt roulette by using different vendors with different types of stock/blanks/thickness/ink/etc.

My two cents.

Edit: For what it's worth, the folks at the Jerry site seem to source their shirts from the same chicklet kids. The electric at the eel shirt is seemingly made from milled cotton that is magically just a single atom in thickness. A feat that was previously thought to be a scientific impossibility.

Built To Last

I got the Egypt 78 tee when Rockin The Cradle was released at least a dozen years ago, and this is truly Built To Last. My Stealie shirts have well done graphics, and PNW looks like it just came out of the box. Most have held up well for working or wearing, but I think Workingman’s is going to be a car buffer soon.

Hang in there Isles - you got this! Bruins doth sucketh!

PM's

PM's seem to magically work now whereas an hour ago they hummed and puked. I think they are working on the interface. It should improve with time.

Now back to t-shirts that will not ruin our run for Senate should it rain and they get wet. First world problems, I know.

Washington DC

Now I know you do things a little differently over the pond. For example, you call egg chasing football whereas some people over here call it rugby (or rugger if you're posh)......and hockey, when i was growing up, was mostly played by girls, on muddy pitches with hockey sticks and cricket (weird game where in it's purest form you mostly end up with a draw after 5 days) balls whereas over there the main purpose appears to be battering the f**k out of each other while playing on an ice rink. Now then, I heard on the radio last night that in Washington DC they're offering a 'joint for jab' system whereas over here i've given a thousand or so covid jabs and.......i think i'll just have a little lie down and turn the sounds up....Dick's 7 of course.....while i await the postie to deliver the film version of Oliver Sachs 'The Last Hippie'. OK...... back to your regular scheduled programming about T shirts and stuff.....

Damned hippies...

Washing their t-shirts! That is asking for trouble. We never did that back in the day.

I concur with DocMarty about sports. At school boys played football or rugby in the winter and cricket in the summer whilst girls played hockey or netball (which is apparently a bit like static basketball). As for playing hockey on ice, or polo in a swimming pool for that matter, I can accept that but I can't see it catching on.

It appears that the site has reverted to the version that we were all used to up until a week ago or thereabouts. It has been said that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This was more a question of if it don't need fixing, break it. When will they ever learn?

Cross country

We also used to have to do what they called "cross country " running in our school. This entailed jogging round some of the roughest back streets of Oldham. Jogging?...sprinting more like. Knowing some form of self defence was essential.

I bought a few Dead tee shirts around 1990, when the Dead came to England. They seem to be pretty good quality, too - I still have them. Enormous sizes I seem to buy. Either that was all that was available, fashions have changed or I have shrunk.

Previous site version back

They must have paid the Bitcoin ransom to the Russian hackers.

Just in time for today’s Box announcement.
Hint, hint Dave. Bring it on.

t shirts

back in the day t shirts were made heavy, thick, 100% cotton and they used name bands, fruit of the loom, haines, beefy, the list goes on. Today, they are made in China, super thin, crappy graphics and don't have the colors, or trippy designs that they used to have. I just purchased some t shirts from liquid blue, a fine brand, used to be, now, no tag which to me is a sign of a thin made in china shirt. They were all very thin, good graphics, only one had a real tag and it was made in USA. I have dead shirts from the 80's that have wear, but are still wearable and look good. And I have worn the crap out of them.
Just goes to show, you don't never know......let the buyer beware.

live shows

The mighty Phil Lesh makes a rare appearance in Asheville, NC with son Grahams' band Midnight North. After checking the set list, I see they did one Grateful Dead tune.
So it looks like the first show I will attend this year will be the same band that I saw just before covid shut down the world. Live Dead is making an appearance this summer back at the same venue I saw them at in March 2020. Last time there were maybe 20 people there, I think there will be a few more there this time. Tom Constanten is still in the band and I am looking forward to some 68-70 dead tunes.

2021 BOX SET - WHERE THE FREAK IS IT?!?!?!?!

I mean really this has been so lame around here for new releases since like December 2020, IMHO!!! How long can they wait to announce the 2021 BOX SET!?!? .....Last year they announced that '76 box in February! Are they seriously holding out on the 2021 BOX news until the Skull & Roses 50th anniversary set is officially released?!?! Has anyone really taken a look at the Skull & roses 50th release- IT'S SO BAD compared to the other other 50th anniversary releases so far.....the "bonus disc" literally has nothing new, and lots of repeats from the original release- WTF?!?! Please get that out of the way so we can get the 2021 BOX SET info out already......hell, at this point there should be some whispers from the bozo guy about what Dave's Pick #39 is for goodness sake?!?!?!?

Winterland June 1977

That website demo was like a bad trip. I'm glad we're Back To Normal. I no longer type off the end of the page into cyber space. Tricksy Hobbits.

Well we're at the anniversary of one of the most popular out of print box sets. I had a good portion of the 6/7/77 show yesterday. I've always dug this Scarlet Begonias with its mesmerizing longer-than-usual opening bit. Also has a pretty good transitional jam from 7:00 - 10:00 mark. This version of Peggy-o went up a few notches yesterday. The piano during Jerry's solo is some intense stuff. Peggy-o is one of my favorite ballads, along with Brokedown Palace, which is on today's show.

Getting back to normal....

....guess this site had a 2020 flashback.

joints for shots

Washington and Arizona giving joints out if you get a covid vax, sure, now they do it. If every state gave out joints for shots, we would be at 70% fully vaxed in no time. Hey Deadnet, if you were to give out joints, I bet you could sell a lot more of that made in Taiwan stuff :)

King Crimson announced their US tour....

....back to normal indeed.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/king-crimson-2021-u-s-tou…

Anniversary show 6/8/75. El Camino Park

47 years ago today I was down at El Camino Park in Palo Alto, to see a show with Garcia & Saunders, Weir & Kingfish, and the Rowan brothers., what a cool scene. My brothers friend , Jake Pierre, did the poster for the event. In less then one week , we would be at Winterland for the return of the Dead.

My brain likes the return to normal

what's worse than a know-it-all Deadhead?

A grumpy know-it-all Deadhead.

The "grumpy" part has been put aside.

Now where is that box set...

T Shirts

Just received my Grateful Dead gardeners’ t-shirt today (made in Honduras) and it’s really rather good. Great graphic and much thicker than usual. I ordered 2XL as I’ve had XL recently which my new baby great nephew would have trouble slipping into and boy is this one big! It’s white which means it’s probably best not to wear it when actually gardening.

Rough Trade (U.K.) are selling Paris 1972 vinyl edition for a penny under £110 this Saturday. Any left after Record Store in person visits are on sale online at 6 pm. Not sure about splashing out for this as I already have the CD. It’d be interesting to see if they have a booklet with liner notes and photos.

Re: Unkle

I've already been vaccinated seven or eight times, and then I read your post. Well, what's the harm in one more.

kidding of course, happily vaccinated just once but don't tempt me so Washington State!!

The enticement to get vacceeeened

putting up a barrier against Covid was motivation enough back in March

I wonder if Gov Inslee would still give me a "reward"...

prolly not

on another note: go listen to Motorhead's version of Whiplash

you'll be glad you did

audio caffeine

"never stop
never quit
we are Motorhead"

Jim and T-Shirt follies

Organic???

Wasn't cotton organic???

I'm cutting down on the tee shirt buying. I have more than anyone need and half have become work shirts. Biggest thing though is I read an article recently that talk about how these "cheap" tee shirts are filling landfills and becoming a new environmental problem. ........ so I really don't need anymore for now :-)

Jim, I like to see your woodwork. Question,,,, once milled is it cherry anymore?

Shots.

Joints?

I've been traveling around getting shots wherever they're giving "stuff" away. I've gotten several gift cards from states and vendors, a load of free Applebee's meals, a chance to win a new Harley, a chance to win an old Harley, a case of Colt 45 (they were giving these away in inner cities) and if I was just 1 minute sooner I could have scored a Grateful Dead Hatchet! Damnit, back to plan 2.

BTW - Jim when did you say you were going out to canoe?

BTW 2 - Just to mention, Got sent a 2019 show of String Cheese, looks like they did just 1 song , Rosie. It's 75 minutes long!!! Must be up there with the "longest" song.

Website

Was it jacked up,
Or was it Jack Strawed.

Kind of like that 90s bumper sticker,
“Is it Dead or is it Live”.

Billy TK

Damn! You and I were at a lot of the same bay area shows! I was at 6/8/75 El Camino Park also, and I think somewhere I have a tape of the show.

Strider

Strawed.
Definitely Jack Strawed.
Definitely Wapner.

6-tus

p.s. comfy website format = happy spot

Re: Dennis String Cheese 75 min song

The 75 min Rosie, a single song set. An almost unique thing, even in the jamband world. Apart from that one at Electric Forest by String Cheese, the only other single song set I know of is one that Phil says the Dead played during their strip club run, where they played 5 45-50 min sets a night, and one night, they did In the Midnight Hour for a full 45 min set. Phish has done at least one 2 song set, and their longest single song was the 58 min Runaway Jim 11/29/97, and the Disco Biscuits jammed an improvised soundtrack to SpeedRacer for NYE 1999, a 2 hr jam called Akira Jam, but that, too, ended up going into a second song. The other contender for longest single song would be an unknown Jam that the Allman Brothers did as the final encore on 6/26/71 at the Fillmore East, the night BEFORE they closed down the legendary venue with a 75 min set that was pretty good. The mediocre performance of the finale may be attributed to the goings on of that night before, which was the ultimate show moment for Butch Trucks and other members of the band who said when they had played all their songs, and encored with a big Mountain Jam, the audience wanted more, and they came back and did a 2 hour jam that kept going past dawn. When they finished, nobody applauded, they just shuffled out silently everyone mesmerized by the event, with Duane remarking of the solemn departees, "Goddamn, it's like leaving church." And wouldn't you know, there is no recording of that special night. Here's a first hand account of that night, including a great picture he took from the 5th row.
https://duaneallman.com/the-night-they-closed-the-fillmore-down/

moe. is a band that plays really long, but my buddy who's seen them like 40 times seems to think that they can hit 30-40 min quite often, he doesn't recall knowing any hour long excursions on one song. Possibly worth noting String Cheese had never hit 40 min on one song before that Rosie. They've got maybe 25 30+ min jams in 25 years of recordings and 2,000 shows, but will do completely segued sets fairly regularly. And they will open with a 20 min song more than any band I know, but usually they've segued by the time a half hour has rolled around.

The long 30-45 min jam periods of the Dead's career is a neat thing to delve into. Apart from that 45 min Midnight Hour, and a 32 min one 9/3/67 on Fallout From the Phil Zone, not too many known 30 min jams. Not many circulating versions of Viola Lee Blues, either. Dark Star and The Other One weren't regularly approaching 20 min (let alone 30) until '69, and Lovelight would be the big 30-40 min performance. Then Europe '72, and Dark Star and The Other One started hitting 30 min (and now even 40) with regularity until the end of 1974, which was largely the end of the 30 min single song jam. After 1976 even 20 min would be seldom breached by one contained song and jam before a segue. But now with Dead and Co a Black Peter will only *feel* like 40 min.

"Back To Normal"

Keithfan, you did me a solid once and replaced my disc 2 from Dave's Picks 8 after I scratched mine and the Fire On The Mountain skipped. Except the title in itunes wasn't Dave's Picks 8, it was "Back To Normal with the Grateful Dead". Now I read you describing the Website as "Back to Normal" after first describing it as an acid trip. I have theory that you went to the Dave's 8 show, tripped, possibly for the first time, and were relieved you returned "back to normal". Am I close?

Alvarhanso

Thanks for the great read on the Allman’s last night at the Fillmore. What a show that would have been. I recently picked up Dickey Betts’ Official Bootleg Vol 1 - excellent! - and as the knee bone is connected to the shin bone, out came the Allman’s box set “Trouble No More” for a few spins. A great, great jam band, that boasted some remarkable guitarists.

The Boston Bruins still suck

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