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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

     *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    >>>>>>>>> But now with Dead and Co a Black Peter will only *feel* like 40 min.

    Made me laugh!!!

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Fleury let in a really soft goal to end the first period, but he is saving their asses in the second. This could easily be 3 or 4 to zip.

    The Avs are tough. And the Bruins suck.

    Edit: 5 minutes later. Wow.

    Edit: 15 minutes later. Some of the best hockey I’ve seen in quite some time. Total skill. Hard play. No nonsense. And that Alex Tuch goal was sick.

    Congrats Vguy.

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    I am also getting lots of dental work this month. Chicks dig nice teeth.

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    I'm pretty laid back on new box set releases. Tend not to speculate too much as at least for me just a shot in the dark.
    That said the past couple of days I have been getting this deep down feeling they are going to announce very soon. What ,I have no idea and as I said speculating for me is a pure guess.
    I would like a humungous box as it's been a while for one. I understand lots of people want small ones, I get it but 30 shows would work for me.
    Of course that could be the Greek but as has been said they're not for the most part in releasable shape or even any shape at all. Maybe a clean out the vault of all Europe shows. Personally I could go for an 80's and 90's what's quality how much there is in good shape.
    The complaints about each Dave's I would guess gives them pause. Me I compare it to what we used to get trading rather than expecting a full blown professionally recorded with release in mind.
    I get the ltd editions music from both a business decision and as a dedicated collector. But gardening stuff lol naw
    Anyone looking forward to the new FZ release? Needless to say I am
    And my new dentist ( after 40 years the old one called it quits) asked me what tv channel I wanted on. I said the off channel. So they said do you like music?!?!.:@? F yeah can you put some Paul Butterfield on. Uh let me see. 2 hours in the chair ( I'm fixing everything) listening to Butter. And he looks to be 35. Guess I good for life.
    Thank God they fixed the site

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    Buckle up buttercups....

    ....game On!
    Hurricanes blow.

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    Thanks for the great read on the Allman’s last night at the Fillmore. What a show that would have been. I recently picked up Dickey Betts’ Official Bootleg Vol 1 - excellent! - and as the knee bone is connected to the shin bone, out came the Allman’s box set “Trouble No More” for a few spins. A great, great jam band, that boasted some remarkable guitarists.

    The Boston Bruins still suck

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    Keithfan, you did me a solid once and replaced my disc 2 from Dave's Picks 8 after I scratched mine and the Fire On The Mountain skipped. Except the title in itunes wasn't Dave's Picks 8, it was "Back To Normal with the Grateful Dead". Now I read you describing the Website as "Back to Normal" after first describing it as an acid trip. I have theory that you went to the Dave's 8 show, tripped, possibly for the first time, and were relieved you returned "back to normal". Am I close?

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    The 75 min Rosie, a single song set. An almost unique thing, even in the jamband world. Apart from that one at Electric Forest by String Cheese, the only other single song set I know of is one that Phil says the Dead played during their strip club run, where they played 5 45-50 min sets a night, and one night, they did In the Midnight Hour for a full 45 min set. Phish has done at least one 2 song set, and their longest single song was the 58 min Runaway Jim 11/29/97, and the Disco Biscuits jammed an improvised soundtrack to SpeedRacer for NYE 1999, a 2 hr jam called Akira Jam, but that, too, ended up going into a second song. The other contender for longest single song would be an unknown Jam that the Allman Brothers did as the final encore on 6/26/71 at the Fillmore East, the night BEFORE they closed down the legendary venue with a 75 min set that was pretty good. The mediocre performance of the finale may be attributed to the goings on of that night before, which was the ultimate show moment for Butch Trucks and other members of the band who said when they had played all their songs, and encored with a big Mountain Jam, the audience wanted more, and they came back and did a 2 hour jam that kept going past dawn. When they finished, nobody applauded, they just shuffled out silently everyone mesmerized by the event, with Duane remarking of the solemn departees, "Goddamn, it's like leaving church." And wouldn't you know, there is no recording of that special night. Here's a first hand account of that night, including a great picture he took from the 5th row.
    https://duaneallman.com/the-night-they-closed-the-fillmore-down/

    moe. is a band that plays really long, but my buddy who's seen them like 40 times seems to think that they can hit 30-40 min quite often, he doesn't recall knowing any hour long excursions on one song. Possibly worth noting String Cheese had never hit 40 min on one song before that Rosie. They've got maybe 25 30+ min jams in 25 years of recordings and 2,000 shows, but will do completely segued sets fairly regularly. And they will open with a 20 min song more than any band I know, but usually they've segued by the time a half hour has rolled around.

    The long 30-45 min jam periods of the Dead's career is a neat thing to delve into. Apart from that 45 min Midnight Hour, and a 32 min one 9/3/67 on Fallout From the Phil Zone, not too many known 30 min jams. Not many circulating versions of Viola Lee Blues, either. Dark Star and The Other One weren't regularly approaching 20 min (let alone 30) until '69, and Lovelight would be the big 30-40 min performance. Then Europe '72, and Dark Star and The Other One started hitting 30 min (and now even 40) with regularity until the end of 1974, which was largely the end of the 30 min single song jam. After 1976 even 20 min would be seldom breached by one contained song and jam before a segue. But now with Dead and Co a Black Peter will only *feel* like 40 min.

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    Strawed.
    Definitely Jack Strawed.
    Definitely Wapner.

    6-tus

    p.s. comfy website format = happy spot

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    Damn! You and I were at a lot of the same bay area shows! I was at 6/8/75 El Camino Park also, and I think somewhere I have a tape of the show.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Proudfoot - I was only goofing on my last name. It’s actually only 5 letters, of Irish derivation, but amazing how often it gets misspelled or mispronounced, so I went with Dave Watson, because I knew he’d like the autograph, and it’s an easy name to spell.

Burnsy - Glad to hear you are getting pumped for the Kraken! I’m trying to get Proudfoot hooked on Kraken, too! You are very right about the Seattle Metropolitans winning the Stanley Cup, but I didn’t know about the Spanish Flu putting an end to them, that’s really interesting,. Also kind of weird how we are 100 years later, battling the Kung Flu, and here Seattle hockey rises from the ashes… (cue: music)

Mr Ones: You sold me on The Third Mind, too! I had purchased stuff from their company before - Yep Rock - so I’ll likely order from them, or Bezos if I have other stuff to get. Played them on YouTube (loved the Fred Neil tune), and you weren’t kidding - really spacey stuff, but great jams that go places, not just meander. Thanks for the recommend!

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Mike, that's actually not me on Amazon recommending The Third Mind. I got my copy from the local record emporium. And for the record, I am a Capitals fan, so I have 47 years of sucking/choking/repeated disappointments Etc.(plus one Cup!!)
I was in the music selling business for 22 years, mostly retail, but also mail order and wholesale. I got to meet dozens of musicians, most of whom were truly nice and down to earth. The absolute most humble and easiest to talk to were Steve Miller, Al Green, Alice Cooper and Peter Gabriel.
The biggest dick(and if you read his book, you'll understand) was John Fogerty. I truly love his music, but he was the whole ass.

Mr Ones - That’s cool you got to meet all those musicians, and even better that they were good dudes. I’m not surprised about what you say about John Fogerty - I read his book, and thought this guy has a major ego issue, then I saw him on a solo tour, and he is laying into Jerry and the Dead like they were a bunch of out of it weirdos, which I thought at the time really blew. Who gets on stage and does that!? A-hole.

As for the Caps, I went to see them the play their first season, 1975(?) when they won like 12 games or something, so bad they made the Leafs look like giants. The upside? They are way better now, and always in the mix. Just a bit of a choke come playoffs, but a hard team to take down.

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At The R'nR HOF Dinner for CCR's induction, Fogerty told the Foudation he wouldn't accept the award or perform if other band members were involved, which of course included HIS OWN BROTHER!!! They had to sit like idiots in the crowd as he went and accepted and then did a medley of CCR with other musicians, Springsteen included...Screw him, Screw the Foundation for caving in...and screw Springsteen and all the othe musicians who helped this slimeball behavior...And so Stu Cook and Doug Clifford had to sit there and eat it in front of the industry...

Oops ...edit job...Stu & Doug did go onstage for the award but were not allowed onstage for the Musical performance...Tom had passed away a couple of years earlier and the Brothers were on bad terms when he passed...

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....beat Vegas in the Stanley Cup finals in 2018. I'm not too mad, because Ovechkin deserves a cup. Just wish they didn't put Tom Wilson's name on it. Guys a POS.

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Grateful Dead chatter! (instead of hockey talk) :)

The past four months I made my first "serious" foray through the two Spring '90 boxes. I had dabbled before, but had never done the complete shows in order. I gave myself tons of time, knowing that there was no way I could do the tour on its anniversary dates. I heard some playing that really excited me, but was surprised at how much of the best material had been released before the boxes came out. March 15th and 24th were already out there, as was the Scarlet-->Fire from 3/22, as well as the most interesting songs from the 25th and 26th. And the Branford material had been available in high-quality bootleg formats forever.

What I'll likely do is make some compilations (gasp!) of the best of the rest, as I cannot imagine that I'll listen to every moment of that tour again. The first show (3/14) is a burner, and will be cranked in totality again, but I'll probably make some "shows" culled from many shows' highlights.

And I'm officially done with "Victim". I'm hitting 'Skip' on that one for the rest of my listening years . . . :-O

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Listening to this one today for the anniversary. Pretty good soundboard. I've never listened to the whole thing, only the Dark Star and Bird Song. I've decided I can't wait any longer for them to release this. I usually try to wait for the big shows to be officially released so that I can hear them for the first time with the "Full Norman" treatment.

I'm officially (finally) annoyed with the website. I decided what the heck, I'll submit my story of when I got on the bus for that Deadcast promotion they have going. It says you can write up to 250 words, but it stops letting you type in the box after 250 letters. The irony is that I considered submitting my story a couple of times and said nah, don't feel like it. So I finally gave it the thumbs up and typed 250 of the most interesting letters I could think of, and then kablam - no more typing allowed in the box.

Vguy good export / import joke - almost as good as the ahem...two religious leaders who get pulled over by the police.

Jimbo - you're 6'4"? That's some height I wish I had. I just figured everyone here was 5'9" like me.

Sixtus - happy birthday dude. You love June '76! Just wait until tomorrow's 6/11 show, which I assume is your favorite in the box.

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this summer

if they announce it as the next Daves (hahahahahahahahaha), I will wait. Otherwise...

years ago I listened to it lysergically on a cassette walkman walking around Seattle's Green Lake.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW. That was a special time.

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....I am also 6'4". Not always the greatest though. Was running late for work the other day and didn't pay attention to my garage door opening. Needless to say, there was some blood.
And you remember that joke? That was a long time ago. Good memory!!
Happy Birthday Sixtus! Another trip around the sun completed. Tequila shots all around!!!

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Yep, anniversary of one of my favorite shows of all time. Had to listen again to this today and hoping someday somehow this will be released (sigh...). WE need a miracle everyday.

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Happy, happy, joy, joy to Sixtus, a Bday and 45 year favs anniversaries to boot!

6’4”, that’s pretty tall! I used to be 6’2” but now I’m closer to 6’....only good thing about being tall was on the floor at GA Dead shows etc!

FAMOUS FOLKS: have met several, have worked in several of their houses (never meet them only their peeps), off the top of what’s left of my head, I’d have to say Rick Danko was always a ridiculously nice guy! Had the pleasure to work with them in the mid nineties and he was always super nice and friendly!
Generally, I’ve found that celebs just like being treated like regular folk, their just people like the rest of you, of course I’m a dog, WOOF!

Go Isles! Sorry to our Mass brethren, just goofing round trying to have fun, no offense meant, though I still hate the Pats and Bs, always dug the Celts and Red Sox though... ; )

I can’t believe the AVS blew that game Tuesday. Now the Knights certainly played hard, and capitalized on opportunities, and they deserved to win, but the AVS coulda, shoulda won that game. Oh well, as Chris Bermen used to say “that’s why they play the game”...think it’s over now...don’t see the AVs going into the fortress and winning, the knights seem more juiced and the force there is just too strong! They needed to take care of business at home...at least it’s been an awesome series so far and the refs haven’t muffed it too much. Well good luck Vguy, it should be another beauty eh!

Sorry to the non-hockey folks, it’ll be over fairly soon and it’s been a tradition here for years.

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Jesse Jackson
Dan Quayle
Shook hands with Bill Clinton
Bobby McFerrin
Anita Hill

6' 1" myself

Hah kee

Happy birthday Sixtus!!!

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....the fortress is loud AF.
Sorry, not sorry. As oroborous said, this hockey talk will be over in a month.
In the meantime, maybe we can recruit some new hockey fans!
And no. I'm not there. Tix get more expensive as the series go on.

A triple deflection?....the gods have spoken!
Congrats VGUY!
Habs Knights? Could be interesting.
If the knights can sustain the energy, they’ll be tuff to beat.

Viva Lost Wages Baby!

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What exactly does a triple deflection exactly mean. Do we have three more spies (web builders) then we did yesterday? Is Hockey code for deflections from Russia, through Canada to eventually write shitty code and muck up our website? (edit: Oh, not a triple defection, triple deflection.. nevermind)

Actually I saw that play. It was exactly then that I realized I am doing the wrong drugs to even watch this sport. It's better suited for younger, coke or meth addicted fans. I was watching that play, by god.. and I completely missed the goal. It was only when they slowed down the replay that I was able to see what happened. And in all honesty.. It wasn't until the third replay, played.. eeexxxtrrraaaa sslllss.lllow that I saw what actually happened. Where I come from we call that blind luck aka dumb luck. I guess that's part of the sport. But hey, I hear they plan a lot of GD during games during intermissions. That's good enough for me.

Seriously.. great game, great triple deflection. Congrats VGuy.

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I hope that Owsle y has a copy of this tape, because I would love to hear it, and hopefully it will be released one day. Owsley was taping all the Dead & NRPS shows at the time, so I dont see why he wouldn't have taped this show. Bears Sonic Journals say they have Dead tapes, so I would like to think that this is one of them.

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I'm with you jim,,,, I could care a rat's ass about any sport, but hockey WAY to fast. I just watched that play and yeah at normal speed looked like blind luck to me. Slowmo,,,,, still blind luck :-)

FYI - I don't care if people banter about the hockey games (to a point :-) ), nothing wrong with a flowing conversation among friends about common interest. Yeah Habs???

Back to Dylan.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KlSXNmHW_8

Sorry for the repeat, but I really, really love this cut. I think I have it set to start at 37 minutes. But start at about 37 minutes for a tune called Nancy Whiskey. Love the tone of this one. I have Joni doing it, meh?!?!

This is the best version I've found over night and I never heard of this song.

Sorry for the repeat.

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Congrats VGuy for what sounds like an otherworldly comeback win in the series for your team. Who knew ICE in Vegas could produce ANYTHING other than liquid???

Thanks also peeps for the Nameday shoutouts and mental projections this way!

Currently spinning 6/11/76 as we all should be, today.

Be Well People!
70-Sixtus

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Well done and congratulations. Down 0-2 in games and down in the third period of game three against the mighty Avs. Very impressive.

Before the playoffs started, I pledged my allegiance to Canadaland. However, as these events have unfolded, I cannot in good conscience go against your GKs.

As promised, attached is a picture of mom with Alex Tuch. She is (or was) roughly 5'6". He's a big dude.

Sir James. Hockey is a fast sport. Very fast. And the goalies are better than you think. It's not like soccer where the goals are 50 feet wide. It's tough to get the puck past them. That's why you are taught at a very early age to deflect the puck. Your chances of scoring are much better when the shot changes direction. Even more so when it changes three times.

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I hope my comment about hockey talk didn't ruffle anyone's feathers; I used a smiley face after my comment to indicate the light-heartedness of my intention! :)

Since it IS playoff time, and since I DO live in The State of Hockey, I'll try . . .

Boy, that new kid for the Wild is pretty good, eh?

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I don't have a horse in this race but your team seems to be bringing you much joy, congrats.

KF you are right it was Dave's Picks 7. I guess I need a title system like you. What do call the others?

Sixtus happy nameday. Thanks for the June 1976 reminder. I haven't given that one a listen since it came out.

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I wonder what the 3 releases will be that Dave talked about? Obviously, one will be the box set, if the box set is tied to MUATM, it will probably be an 89, 90, or 91 box with a dvd, or hopefully an Oct 74 box with videos. The other two released, will probably be Bears Choice 50th and Wake of the Flood 50th. I just hope they release full shows for both these releases, a full 1970 & a full 1973 show for both releases.

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I agree that Skullfuck 50th is one of the three releases and the box that we all assume is coming is another of the three. I doubt that Dave's Picks counts so the third could well be a stand alone single show release. That could be 3 CDs and a DVD/BR video. Whatever, bring 'em on! Ark ark.

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I agree, most vendors have cut back on the quality of the shirt...if someone advertises their probuct as "soft" you can bet it's a paper thin product...here's a vendor I've gotten a few shirts from over the past couple of years and they are all excellent heavy duty cotton...they have a rotating weekly offer page as well as a regular stock selection...I've gotten an Atco 45 label of "Crossroads" by Cream tee, an "East West" LP cover by Butterfield tee and a couple of Zappa and Jimi tees as well...good stuff from the UK
https://www.djtees.com/collections/new-limited-editions?goal=0_afe502c3…

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Me thinks box set announcement will come in July and ship September/October. Dave’s subscription typically goes on early bird sale in October/November. It would be impolite to announce the box at the same time.

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Good suggestion. Been doing highlights of the box. Presently listening to 6/11/76 Eyes Of suggestion. Audio on these shows is top notch. The 6/10 Cassidy has some kick-ass drums in there somewhere, I forget which part.

Yeah Vguy, glad to hear the Knights are progressing. It gets harder to watch the longer they're in....

Man I hope the box set is in my wheelhouse.

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Actually Dave spoke, I just listened ; )

EDIT: “Aaaa, Dave’s not here man”

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Hope all are well. Always reading in chunks and really comment much. Question: How many use talk to text versus my old as typing on an IBM Selectric?

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hope all is well, to answer quickly from 2 months back.

Yeah at Buckeye Lake I do actually think I remember you. I only remember a few tapers in front or on side in front of board, but 2 of them being me and then another friend several feet to the left.

Question: I few years ago I posted about to the name, and the person said there are 2 Oro's. Was that true at all or just one. It would be two if, you didnt post about making a ceramic oroborous and then giving that to Jerry when you met him at a restaurant near a show somewhere?

Was that you?
A psychedelic dream?
Speaking of which I recently dreamed I was sitting around talking to Gene Simmons about health insurance. It was a blurred but fiesty debate...

A week or two back someone posted about your dog eating its tail...obviously the name. Have not gone back to see actual post today. To me, it looks like the dog from "A Dog's Purpose." Cant remember the name though.

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Mary Elephant

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The other day I DL'ed an AUD of Folsom Field '80...nowadays I don't often grab AUD's unless it was something I was at...I wasn't at this show but what grabbed me was the 1st Set opener, an Uncle John's Band > Playin' In The Band >
Uncle John's Band sandwich that goes for 20 minutes...tasty start...And sometimes I just enjoy hearing a great AUD on my headphones, especially Ventura shows where I can hear the breeze and smell the ocean...

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Oroboros made the ceramic sculpture.

Oroborous is the current regular here.

Gene Simmons and health insurance?
Wow!

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