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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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    38 production issues cont....

    Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
    I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
    It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
    First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

    - FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
    - THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
    - BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
    This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
    - TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
    - THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
    - THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
    - WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
    - WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
    -“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
    DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
    I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

    A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
    The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
    But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
    - SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
    It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
    HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
    I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
    This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

    LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
    Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.

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    GD, zits and all

    play on
    play on
    play on

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    A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

    Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”

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    To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

    Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

    We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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    I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.

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    Sir James

    That is pretty much what I currently have.

    About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.

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    Ha!

    Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

    Awesome Version Alert -

    My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

    I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

    Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.

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    lol moment last night

    went to bed early
    had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
    she comes up later
    I am asleep
    Space is full steam
    She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

    uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....

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    Re: AJS

    Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

    https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

    Pimp up your ride.

    (......honey, I got us a new car!)

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    So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

    It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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...aka ,- “Skull Fuck”!!!
Record company wouldn’t let that happen! So I refer to it as the Grateful Dead intended & wanted! ‘SkullFuck’
PS- contains the last Fillmore west concert performances! Recorded on 7/2/71
* Excellent performance caught on tape from 1971 included with CD Release of the 50thAnniversary release! Love the art production team on this release or should I say inside i🙏❤️💀🌹
***...I also love Bob weir’s dedication of this performance to ‘The Bear!!!!
“Primo Audio Recordings for both the Full Album / original.
Plus I’m grateful for some more music recordings during this time come back home snd grow into a grateful release & Album!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 14:33

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An amazingly beautiful production on all counts for this release. Play it loud!
Have a grateful day everyone, peace be with you all! 🙏😎💀🌹
*PS - Garcia 16 volume!
‘Madison Square Garden,
*** November 15th 1991; Jerry Garcia Band
The recordings are beautiful!!!im so grateful for the bonus material. 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 14:44

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I saw Tedeschi Trucks within the last 10 days. As always, a ripper. Why more people dont like them I dont know. Derek and Susan's dedication to bringing back soul music, old classics reinterpreted is awesome in my book. Can't wait for the next time they come by. I could have easily seen 5 shows, but I just don't travel like I did previously.

That is all...for now.

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 15:16

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is discussed in this month's The Absolute Sound. American Beauty 50th in mentioned. I may not be "so wise in the ways of science", but this short read is explanatory.

How Crow posted about the quality of modern equipment can bring old recordings back to life.

Then Brownie posts about plangent processes.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 16:34

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Dooood, around here, the word on Tedeschi-Trucks has long been out and they pack Red Rocks like a sardine tin. That is far and away my favorite current touring band and has been for years -- with many close runner-ups, such as Los Lobos. I typically catch both RR shows each summer.

Years ago -- maybe 8-10 -- we saw them in an auditorium at Colorado College in Colo Springs with maybe 600-800 people max. I used to see Derek and his band at The Gothic Theater, which holds 1,100 and you could walk up to the lip of the stage with your drink and watch Derek all night long. Then, of course, there was a decade of ABB shows with Derek and Warren at the helm with our beloved Gregg Allman roaring the blues.

Stoked to hear the live Layla set by the T-T Band.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 16:43

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Compendium hates on it
F the compendium

It's well worth a solid listen

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 16:56

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Yo!! Rockers!!!

If I'm not mistaken, Phil Lesh does the Other One dedication at the final Fillmore West show..............

Rock on,

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 17:16

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I understand them at Red Rocks and that they have pockets of love and pockets of indifference. Thing is where there was indifference, more people are learning. This show was a 3,000 capacity due to virus. It was a sellout, but there is no way we will know till next time what could have been. When I saw them at this same facility in 2015, there wasn't but around 1,100 or so. That was the concert hall portion. By the time they come back I expect it will be sellout at arena, or maybe the new amphitheater they are building here.

Yeah and I loved the Allmans in the different iterations I saw. of course, no Duane. One great one was a weird one. Warren Haynes and Jimmy Herring tearing it up, just after Dickey moved on. I think this latter version was incredible. Still Warren, Betts, and Allen Woody were awesome also. Then one night where Derek was sick so it was Warren, Jack Pearson, O'teil.

In 2015, I took my lunch break and went to the concert hall. Staff let me go into the hall. They were doing sound check of the system/hall, but with no players. It was all recorded music, so I wondered if it was the concert from the time before. I talked to the PA guys for a few minutes. Then spent about 30 minutes talking to Derek's father. He is a great guy. He was getting merch stuff all ready. Bought an autographed poster from him for $35. Dang, still havent put that in a frame yet. Unsigned poster that night went for 40, and signed ones went for $75.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 06/25/2021 - 18:45

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6-21-71 China Cat>IKYR
It’s on vinyl with the “Long Strange Trip” Amazon bonus vinyl release.

Listening to it now.

So, we know that at least that part of the show is in the vault.

There's a crazy strange coincidence you're now involved with icecrmcnkd. I just read your post about that China Rider from 6/21/71. I just so happened to listen to it for the first time since it came out on The Long Strange Trip CD the same day you posted your comment. I mean that is some rare shit.

TTB & Los Lobos at Red Rocks late July 2022...most tix are sold out already though...might have to catch it elsewhere...

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 09:29

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So, Nappy, I had tics to the 2020 RR shows with TTB, but of course that evaporated. I didn't want some promoter owning my ticket money so I immediately got a refund -- future uncertain.

Well, these days, it looks like live music is going the way of pro sports, in that the standard ticket procedure has been hijacked by middlemen. Most of the tics for 2021 and 2022 at RR indeed are sold, but available from mega-scalpers for way too much money. It's a rotten turn of events that will shut out the longtime (read: getting ancient) fans such as myself. I've already acknowledged to myself that I've seen my share of high dollar shows, meaning I paid $150 to see Derek and Clapton, Clapton and Winwood, that sort of thing. Kicked myself for not seeing McCartney for $150 in Denver (10 years ago). Well, these days, I'm seeing local bands and friends play outside on patios and such. I have a $50 ticket to see Los Lobos in Boulder in March 2022! I had tics to see them March 14, 2020, at the Boulder Theater, but that (rightly) got canceled.

I'm not ready to retire from semi-large rock 'n roll events, but they seem out of reach anymore, financially. And, as noted on this forum many times, the kids just talk and talk and then use their cell phones to show everyone they were at the hip event, even though they're not listening. So, life takes a turn.

I hear ya HF. Take it your not going to D&C at Fiddlers?
Another new ticket buying annoyance, you have to buy them so far in advance!

I skipped D&C, not sure I’d be ready for crowds yet, especially the kind sure to be there you described.
Remember Folsom the first year was half empty, but 2020 I believe they sold it out!
Saw exactly what you speak of get worse from year to year as the crowds grew...
Also, Denver in October...could be awesome, or not so much...would they still have a show after a foot of snow?
Biggest reason not going, no peeps. None of the gang is going and they live far enough away that it’d be a hassle for someone to drive, but don’t want to hotel etc. Plus, we usually stop risking the White Ribbon of Death from then until spring unless we have to.
Nope, couldn’t see spending that much cash for something five months away, that chances are fair I wouldn’t end up going...
Bummed I missed the Wolfs at Vail recently, but too soon and betting that crowd would of been the “I’m at one of the first show” bunch, rather than heads...
But!,
Did score Phil tix for Vail in September, so hopefully that works out. Figure if I change my mind I could sell em easy enough. Ahem, Wish I knew what the lineup was though...

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 10:10

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It is indeed a shame that concert tickets have gone up in price. I think I paid $5 the first time I saw the Stones in the early '70s. The last time they toured, a friend (?) offered to sell me an extra ticket he'd bought for the face value of $225. To sit in the upper level at Dodger Stadium. No, thank you.

Red Rocks might be kind of special case, considering how many people are willing to travel there to see shows. I was thinking of doing just that to see TTB this summer, but tickets have been scarce, and expensive on the "secondary market" (ie, legalized scalping services). Part of what's going on is that TTB had to cancel there last year, and they're trying to honor those tickets, so there just aren't that many to go around. But TTB has a whole tour in progress, so there will be plenty of other opportunities to check them out, but sadly for me, it's all in the eastern parts of these United States. C'mon, Derek, whaddya got against us TTB heads on the West Coast, maaaan?

Anyway, Deadheads should definitely check out the TTB is some way shape or form. I kind of see them as a continuation of the ABB legacy, kind of drawing on the same soul and blues sources with a little country and jazz thrown in. Like the ABB, their jamming is not as wide open as the GOGD, but it's almost always very dynamic and esciting. Derek Trucks is the best guitarist alive (yeah, I said it), the double drummer rhythm sections is always smokin', Susan is a fantastic vocalist, what's not to like? If you need a place to start, I would recommend their Live from the Fox Oakland album, which is a great concert in great sound (and video!). Added bonus: if you closely, you might catch a glimpse of a tall geeky white dude wearing an Eat a Peach t-shirt standing about 30 ft in front of Derek during his spectacular solo on "Keep on Growing."

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 10:20

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Possibly heading to a wedding in St Helena in August. Was supposed to be last year, with a “vacation” attached, something not experienced since 2012.
We’re not too comfortable traveling yet, but feel we have to go. My line is if we’re driving all the way out there etc, we have to find a safe way to do something, besides just go to the wedding and back.
So my question to all you NoCal folks out there is, where can we stay near there (“there’s” expensive and all ready sold out), some place that in turn would be a good home base for some day trips?
And, what would be some good day trips, stuff we could do mostly outside and avoid crowds etc.
like we already know Muir Woods will be packed so will avoid...

Originally wanted to finally get to Anchor Brewing,, Phil’s Place, as well as other, normal, Bay Area tourist stops.
I’ve been, but Lovey hasn’t so was hopping we could make a big trip outta it, but that was last year....
Sorry, way off topic but figure who better to ask!
Shanks!

on the tube, TTB has a great show form 2018-02-02 from the capitol theater. Definitely worth a watch. Then there are segments of earlier this year, their fireside (?) series.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 11:01

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grinder and paying to support a corrupt system, use that money for party favors and listen to music in your home or car or somewhere.

I cant think of any artists id like to go see anyway. Thats just me being grumpy grumpkins.

And hendrixappreciationman, you are correct about chatterers and cells and I WAS THERE WHOZ GOT A BEER OR SOME WEED....

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Submitted by dreading on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 13:13

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Concert tickets. No more $150 to sit in the 2nd and 3rd levels. 1st level arena seats in today's inflation shouldn't be more than $99.

Movie tickets. I'm single so $15 a ticket doesn't sound bad, but take a date and she's going to want milk duds and popcorn and it's more like $40. A family of 5? What a joke, you're looking at $100 outing.

Sports tickets. Avg NBA salary 8 to 10 million (I looked at a couple sources). Avg baseball salary 4 million. No way I'm feeding that machine.

Cable / Internet / Phone

Inflation everywhere.

All out of control. Literally out of control. I stopped feeding the machine a few years ago, as much as possible. Athletes, musicians, celebrities, television personalities in general. And then they get up on their soap boxes and start preaching their politics. Bunch of overpaid bafoons. Boycott all of it I say. The cable bill is the one thing I'm having trouble getting rid of, but as soon as I can, the $200 a month for internet and four or five channels I actually watch is going bye bye. And who uses the landline anymore? But they don't even really charge you for it anyway they just add it on as a service so it sounds like you're getting more, but you really don't save anything by saying no I don't want the landline. I have to buy a bundle of TV packages with channels I don't want.

They're sheering us for the long con, and we're bleating all the way.

....the Monopoly board version of this started with the first Eagles reunion tour. Promoter inflated the prices thinking "people will pay". And they did. Every other promoter followed suit, and here we are.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 14:56

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I banged away at this about a month ago. They are totally absurd.

$300 for D&C. No thanks. Ain’t no dude named Garcia in the lineup. It’s a total joke, but people pay it.

Oro - I have seen Phil and his band a number of times at the Cap. It didn’t matter who was in lineup, he always put on a good show. You will have a blast.

Very tough loss for the Isles last night. You don’t give up a shorthanded goal the entire season and that’s how you lose game seven of the conference finals. Brutal.

Mike - my apologies in advance. Before the Stanley Cup playoffs started I pledged my allegiance to Canadaland, hoping for one of the four teams to win. The last team I ever expected to be there was the Habs. But, I got a back them. Look at it this way. Every team I have backed so far has been eliminated.

Hoping for a good series.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 15:21

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$160 for tv and internet, $44 of it was taxes and fees.

Replaced it with Verizon Fios gigabit internet (fiber optic was already installed underground on my street and the Verizon equipment was already installed at my house), and an antenna for local tv. There is also an Ethernet cable running from the modem to my tv.

I bought the Red Wings streaming package from NHL tv so I could watch the regular season. Haven’t been able to watch the playoffs except for games on NBC which I get over the air.
Starting next season ESPN+ has the NHL, so I’ll get the Red Wings streamed through that. Maybe I’ll be able to get the playoffs streamed too. Otherwise, eventually I might have to get cable again to watch the playoffs, but I won’t do that until the Red Wings will actually be in the playoffs, and who knows how long it will be until that happens.
Hopefully next season. 🤞

I also won’t pay the high concert ticket prices, except for Roger Waters, I paid for floor seats in 2010, 2012, and 2017, and it was worth it. Had a good floor seat for 2020 which was postponed, and eventually refunded. Don’t know yet if I will go in 2022.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 16:03

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I started going to concerts on a regular basis around 73-74, and I saw great acts for $5-$6 in a small 2,500 seat theatre, a little more for arena acts. Often you got your tix minutes before showtime at the box office. Getting tickets was for the dedicated, you lined up and obtained them, no scalper nonsense. Now, bands that are just doing the “remember us?” circuit with no new releases (see: Doobies for example) who are asking $150 for binocular-recommended seats. No. Not a chance.
Jack - Rooting for the Habs!?!? Hmmmm. Guess who won’t be on Mike’s 2021 Christmas card list…

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 16:05

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The problem AJS is I’ve seen some real doozie Phil shows, RR, early quintet shows at the Denver Philmore, including sick sit ins by TTB!
With Ryan Adams, Jackie Greene, all kinda good folks, but there’s been some I haven’t seen, ahem, but have heard suggested we’re not let’s say comparable...
But I’m sure if I go, and it’s not winter yet lol, it’ll be Phun Pho shore!
How can ya not go when it’s in the hood!
Ford Amphitheater is such a sweet little place.
Still can’t believe I didn’t see Dylan there back turn of the century, IDIOT!
Did see John Prine though.

Sorry Mike, im a Deadhead, I have to go with the underdogs, Go Habs Go!
Go Canadaland eh! (cue the Bob & Doug call!)
Wish I had some John Labatt Velvet Cream Porters!
Or some Upper Canada!

FIRST DEAD TIX: we’re like 7.50, 8.50? Something like that, paid 20, way sold out, 3rd row orchestra pit right, in front of Kieth...worth every nickel! One of the greatest days of my life!
Last D&C in 2019, 2 tix plus “fees”, for cheap seats, close to $200...

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 16:49

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St. Helena's a real nice town: a little chi chi for the likes of me, but worth wandering around in downtown for a while. And of course there's lots (and lots) (and lots) or wine tasting in that area.

If you can't stay in St. Helena, it shouldn't be too hard to find a room in Santa Rosa. If you're interested in visiting breweries, then you MUST check out Russian River. Their beer is legend, and their original brew pub is in downtown Santa Rosa. It's cool place to visit, and the pizza's good. They have a new brewing facility just down the road in Windsor, which I've not visited yet, but I know it also has a pub. Lots of other good breweries in the area: Lagunitas in Petaluma, Bear Republic in Healdsburg, probably lots of other newer ones I don't know about, too. Santa Rosa has some great book stores, and the Last Record Store, which is a good place to shop for vinyl, if you're into that.
It's not too much of a drive to get out to Pt Reyes National Seashore, if you to do the nature thing. You could hit Limantour Beach, eat lunch at the Station House in Pt Reyes (I recommend the fish tacos), hit Pt Reyes Books, be back in St. Helena for dinner.

You have to remember ticket prices started to climb as artists were having their albums downloaded for free, and almost bankrupted a big portion of the music business. So the artists looked around and thought, didnt GD's business model have touring as it core. So artisits started jacking up prices to get what they lost in cd sales. But with Roger Waters or the Stones, these are primarily legacy bands that a lot of people want to see as they are still very entertaining artists. I agree, the current model of selling tickets to professional scalpers, uh hum, ticket agencies really needs to stop.

I wrote I just saw TTB recently. I was at the box office at 10 am when they went on sale. The old fashion way is still the best way. Why? Most people don't do that any more.

As far as sports and cable, I too have put an expiration date on it, unless I can find the right niche package just for me. The networks know that people have tired of having to pay professional player salaries, even when they don't watch them. But competition is great, and their is access to entertainment than ever. New movie studios opening with Netflix and Amazon creating a lot of content. And from that an explosion of great story telling, depending on what you want to watch. I think I may get disney for 2 months to stream the mandelorian, as a friend said it was worth watching. Great thing about the future is you can jump in and out of stuff.

I also watch rabbit ear tv, as that is now 20 local channels. Never happen, but if espn was ever broadcasted over ABC's OTA, man that would make life a lot easier, but cant do targeted advertising and data tracking. "Relax, it's not going to hurt."

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 06/26/2021 - 17:45

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Itz been a while

QMS "Happy Trails" is the test subject

Hotternphuk here in Seattle

107 forecast

THAT is unprecedented

I thought I left las vegas

Very glad i have ac

I paid one pound for my ticket to Wembley for Europe 72.
By the time the Lyceum gigs rolled around, prices had doubled. DOUBLED!
2 quid a pop.

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Submitted by jaydoublu on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 02:32

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MLB decided during spring training this year, to start progressive pricing, for on sold tickets and to events with a higher demand....
My wife works for an MLB team. I get tickets through her and the beginning of the season for games I know, I can attend. Yankees were back in town and they had a couple of bleachers seats available. Heck its a sunny afternoon its a sunny spring afternoon. Tickets run about $25.00 for premium seating. However, for the Yankees, it was $70.00 to seat in the bleachers.
I was told it was because the demand was so high and being that scalpers had blocks of season tixs for sale. The league has decided to bring their prices to meet the demand. If they build it and you want to go. They figure you'll pay for it. You might save a couple of $$$, by not buying from a scalper.
Was going to see Yankees vs The Rays, in Tampa. I found seats by the right field foul pole, field level about 40 rows back. They want $220 a piece, for tixs...This was done through the Rays, MLB website. A weekend or two ago, Baltimore was in town vs the Rays. I found a pair of tickets 18 rows behind home plate for $98.00 a piece.
Lets also not forget, the corporate ads, you see on uniforms now. Can't wait to see, a Mass Mutual ad, on Yankee pinstripes.
Wife does not work for an American league team, sadly

Looked at one way, a lot of record companies/ticket sellers/bands - whoever is involved - may be trying to make one last buck with all the anniversary editions, box sets and tours where a band play ancient music. Some 60s-70s
albums have been re-released an absurd amount of times in different formats. I've bought and been to see the ones I liked.
Mention of "Happy Trails" - now there's one that seemed to escape the 50th Anniversary treatment that I would have been interested in. Curious how "Live Dead" wasn't given the treatment, too, come to think of it.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 05:35

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wow, what an album, one of the best. How could they make this any better? The sound is fantastic, the art work is awesome and I don't think they will be able to add anything to what is all ready there. How could they make it any better?
Concert prices? seen most if not all the bands that I could or would want to see. Saw them at reasonable prices too, not this rip off they call prices now. D & C? no way for that money, and as someone said, no Jerry? why bother
Agree with another poster, Roger Waters has always been a great show, went to the last tour just before covid and it was great, not as good as the Pros and Cons tour, or the In the Flesh tour, or the DSOTM tour or any of the other times I have seen him. The band changes and some of the earlier bands had great musicians performing classic Pink Floyd tunes. The last time, mostly nothing from before DSOTM except "One of these Days" from Meddel. Nothing from any of the pre Dark side lps.
That distinction I have heard and read has gone to Nick Mason, who's band is presenting the early Floyd that I love and I wish he would come across the pond again and do a few more shows here in the colonies.
I will be going to see Live Dead again in August of this year, in a small venue with cheap (25 - 50$) tickets. Still with Mark Karan and Tom Constantine. They were great just before Covid and the talk is they are even better now.
As still another poster commented, no way I will EVER pay what these people want for live seats. Too bad, as a veteran of over 300 different rock shows and concerts, I enjoyed every one in one way or another, even the ones I was too wasted to remember.
Gone are the Days...

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 06:04

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PF - I’d say 107 degrees is pretty intense heat, and in a state like Washington, with old growth forests, dangerous. My son lives just north in BC, and he and his lady and friends do a lot of camping, but he says the heat warnings have come with no fire restrictions.

Oro, Angry Jack - Sorry to cut you guys off of the 2021 Mike Christmas card list, the ultimate must be on list of the festive season, but this Hab devotion (shaking head in disbelief), I don’t get it. I’m not crazy about the Lightning, necessarily, but Go Bolts Go!

Edit - QMS was one band I just never “got”. Never did a thing for me. That said, Happy Trails is one of the coolest album covers, like It’s A Beautiful Day’s first album (which I did like a lot!)

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Submitted by Dogon on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 07:28

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Yep, cool, Globe Propaganda covers, see also Quicksilver Shady Grove, but also Canned Heat, Halleluja, and the Charlatans!
But of course it would be a bit odd for George Hunter of the Charlatans not to come up with its cover!

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 07:33

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...you can bid on Mickey's drum stool starting at 15K. Beats Jerry's sink.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 08:15

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Two great shows from 1969, hopefully they will be part of the1969 box set when it comes out this week.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 10:18

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Personally, I'm making all kinds of decisions about $$ and what's worth what. So I've been skipping invitations by friends to see Wolf Bros, Dead & Co., here in Denver area. May go to RR with a photographer friend to see if we can score Gen'l Admish for Tedeschi Trucks. In the old days - as recently as 7-8 years ago - we'd buy GA tics and get in line around 8am so we could scamper to the front and center position. Like for every ABB show in the decade with Derek and Warren. Bonnie Raitt. Back in July '78, for the first GD show, we went the night before with sleeping bags and they took our tickets right where we planted ourselves. Those days are over, baby. So I'm wondering what effect the Great Pause will have on people's willingness to shell out big $$ for what us old-time professionals consider a diminished experience. My guess is that the Haves will keep prices high by leaping at the chance to rock out (and, possibly, keep the pandemic going), while the rest of us -- is it age? experience? the combo? -- have essentially taken a large chill pill and ... shoot, I'd rather retire on a shoestring soon than prolong the agony and spend big for ... What? No Jerry??

So what's worth what? Small bars and clubs where you can get a bite, the bathroom works and there's little or no cover for a great blues band has been a big part of my life for a long time. That looks to continue and be affordable financially and physically. And, clearly, I'm onboard for getting a ton of archival music delivered to my door. Not the same as the old Big Shows, but as El Presidente of Get Off My Lawn Enterprises, I grow weary of the throng... That said, before I "retire" from the front rows of RR, I might just pop for expensive seats to see the TTB one more time. By 2024 I'll have been doing RR for 50 years. I think that's my goal: a couple more shows over the next three years and See Ya!

No hard feelings whatsoever. Completely understood.

As a long time Red Sox fan, I would never even consider throwing my support behind that other team.

Regardless, I will still be sending you a gift for Boxing Day.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 10:53

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HF - You absolutely nailed it. I’m at that same point. Maybe an odd club date with a small crowd, facilities and eats, and reasonable prices. The days of being in the throng are behind me. Great write up!

Angry Jack - I’m just greasing you and Oro, and I totally get it from a Boston Red Sox perspective! Around here, though, as I said before, it’s a Hatfield & McCoys thing. One time I’m driving behind this dusty white van that sported those plastic Montreal Canadiens flags on it, as they were on a run at the time. As I pulled up behind it at a light, someone had written in the dust “I’m an assHole Habs fan”, but they designed the H in asshole like the H in their logo (which does NOT stand for Habs, by the way). I laughed my ass off at how creative some folks are.
May the best team (from Tampa Bay) win!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 11:32

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As a long time Buffalo “Losers” fan (fill in the sport), Mike, I wouldn’t respect ya if you felt any different!
I have no stake in this at all, so for the sake of fun, in such situations, being a DH, I always go with the underdog, which since the get go has been....well, you know...so it’s more about principals then any actual affinity, except for along with AJS an affinity to the land of my forebears, hockey, Mike Holmes, Tim Horton, and excellent beer, eh, C-A-N-A-D-A land baby! So there’s that too...
I will say, that gulp, being a Sabres fan, it’s giving me some kind of weird, syphilitic feeling to be rooting for them, but I’m sick of the same ole, same ole...so when the going gets weird...!

PF: first you bring the Seattle curse to Vegas, now ya brought the Vegas Heat to Seattle! ; )
You need to harness that shit Bra!
(See if the wink makes it through customs?)

MR HENDRIXFREAK: once again the wily old sage has conjured up the collective consciousness, at least among us old snarly R&R dogs who know!
El Presidente in deed!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 12:28

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“They always say class clown, as if there’s only one”.
Or when I was in the 7th grade , Ralph S......... poking me in the chest with his girlfriend’s umbrella sayin, “hey wiseguy! You a wiseguy?” The jock and his Ann Coulter look alike GF. Sheesh, permanent scar and a few good laughs thinking about it once in a blue moon.
What can I say , tall , skinny , easy target for the motherfuckers.
But I got to see the Grateful Dead many times 1970-1974. No brag, just fact. The Real McCoy. I was part raised by Walter Brennan . The black & white television version.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 13:20

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Oro - I can’t stay mad at you and AJS - you’re back on “the list”! ;)
A Buffalo fan? You have earned your stripes, and some! I’ve seen NHL, NFL, and a few great shows in the Queen City, and Western NY. Great fans, even better people, always a pleasure!

VGuy - Awesome to hear the new Garcia is good! If the planets align, mine arrives by Tuesday, because national holiday on Thursday here, which means phuc all deliveries from the postal grunts on Wednesday, and Friday will be the same. I always love these Garcia releases, and always with Steady Eddie (John Kahn).

With the talk of a new Garcia release, I am giving one of my few Garcia shows a listen

3 6 76 Moore Theater Seattle

Very nice

Fwiw
3 6 76
3 18 78
Cassette 12 8 84
How Sweet it is release
Keene college
Dont let go 5 21 76 methinks
Oh yeah 1977 show pure jerry vol one
Bay area 78

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 06/27/2021 - 13:49

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Gosugadiq for messing with Strider

Gosugadiq to me for the stupid ahole shit i did in my younger days

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