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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 20, 2021 - 6:06am

#1351

Angry Jack Straw

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Speakers

Get a pair of the Dominator MX-10s. That will solve the problem.
May 19, 2021 - 10:25pm

#1352

DeadVikes

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Carlo

Carlo,

Ha!

Man, we need a box announcement. How about tomorrow or today depending on your time zone. Let's get it out Thursday, May 20.

And stop yelling out songs we already played tonight.
May 19, 2021 - 10:08pm

#1353

carlo13

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Tea

I remember once at a giant's stadium show, I meet this chick who offered me some mushroom tea and being new to this way of consuming shrooms, I sat in my car staring up at the ceiling and realizing I swigged too much. I then started to hear the show beginning but I waited it out till I could contain myself. I finally got out of the car feeling enough time had passed and realized that the music was only a boom box playing a dead tape next to my car. I felt like a total doorknob and never mentioned it to anyone till now.
May 19, 2021 - 9:30pm

#1354

JimInMD

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Re: Oro

It sounds to me like your bass cabinets are not tall enough. A standing bass wave is 17 meters in height.. you need bigger speakers, stacks of them, preferably able to play in quadraphonic.. one 17 meter stack for each string of the bass guitar.

That is all. See my previous post on what measures to take to make this problem go away. Don't forget to destroy the credit card.
May 19, 2021 - 5:47pm

#1355

estimating prof

Joined:
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It's the tapes man...

Great discussion going here. I can't resist getting drawn in with my own 2 cents.

Caveat emptor - I am not an audio engineer or expert in such areas. I do listen to a lot of music and grateful dead shows.

My two cents is the audio "distortions" that we have commented on here are in the source recordings of Sept 8 1973.

Why do I think this?

- Dick talked about releasing this show in the 90s and Dave says it's one of his favorite 73 shows, and it was just now released 20 some years later. If you've followed Dave for any length of time, you know that he doesn't release shows with lesser audio quality unless he really has to. He's also too good of a salesman to come out and say "we didn't release this until now because the tape has some issues. Jeffrey worked on it again and says it's as good as it's gonna get, so we're releasing it because it's A Tremendous Show"...Right?

- Seems to me on any given night a recording of a grateful dead concert might not be perfect because those involved in making it were distracted - for any number of reasons.
In the grand scheme of things, it's seems to me much less likely that we would end up with as many really good recordings as we have. They stopped caring about recordings for a lot of the 80s and a lot of those tapes don't have good audio - compared to a Betty board.

- My experience with this release is that the recording of 9/8 sounds significantly different than 9/7.
9/8 was indeed jarring when I first put it on.

All that said, it really is a fantastic and unique show. I've been loving it. I listened to discs 2 and 3 at proper volume with some beverages last weekend and it knocked my socks off again.

Just can't resist a good mystery.
May 19, 2021 - 4:50pm

#1356

Sixtus_

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ORO

I bow to my new sound technician overlord.
What a fantastic and forensic analysis.
Bravo.

Sixtus
May 19, 2021 - 4:38pm

#1357

icecrmcnkd

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Nice work detective Oro

Caveat emptor indeed needed
May 19, 2021 - 4:18pm

#1358

Oroborous

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Sorry/thanks..

I’ll go back to lurking now ; )
GO AVs!
May 19, 2021 - 4:17pm

#1359

Oroborous

Joined:
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Caveat Emptor Indeed!

DaP 38
No doubt Mike, but I think some of us were concerned it was a production issue versus usual GOGD zits and all..
But!,

After furthur review, I think this is just a perfect storm of normal, smaller issues that combined can be very noticeable and thus annoying.
I think perhaps this was a case of a great show, but not the best source? Perhaps the ravages of time were more than they considered, but bye the ticket...once committed, they had to see it through?

Examples you say? Since I spent all day...
$ = quick and dirty references if you don’t want the full report lol ; )
BERTHA starts with usual opening idiosyncrasies that are not part of our focus except in how these “usual” suspects interact and combine with our target issues. Listen though to the snare, and eventually the Hi Hat (that shows up more later). Part of the problem is the snare wires resonating and bleeding through other mics. Then you throw in Bob who’s really loud. It seems his speakers must be set up in front of Billy somewhat as Bobs guitar seems to exasperate the snare problem...
You can really hear this in the quiet just after the song when Bobs banging some chords, listen to the snare wire rattle etc! It gets better but I think it’s a reoccurring ingredient of this aural stew. Bobs level and distortion (both intended and otherwise) are another stew ingredient.
Listen to both guitars and keys during the instrumental section. Think this is more normal type distortion but again, adds sometimes to the stew...

ME & MY UNCLE: more of the same early in especially...I found it useful to use my balance control throughout and it’s often the right channel where the problems mostly live.
By SUGAREE it sounds like maybe some kind of processing added for the snare issue? Early on not too bad, occasionally usual type moments of old R& R tape and/or guitar distortion, but around 6:18 you can hear some noise on the snare roll etc, by 6:23 through 6:33 you can get a good taste of the overall phenomena. But generally the song wasn’t bad.
Status quo fir next couple, LL RAIN I seemed to notice the Hi Hat more prevalent and adding to and getting snare bleed etc. Made me think there’s something up with one of the Drum overhead mics? If so, bleed from everything! would exasperate an issue there? Perhaps another stew ingredient...Bob has some noticeable distortion, perhaps “normal” around 3:45 or so and 4:40+. It overall kind of kicks in on the end chorus’, but not too bad overall.
JACK STRAW not so bad, a little somethin round 3:40 with snare/hat/cymbals?
Also, I think this show suffers overall from the goofy custom condenser vocal mics that add to our stew. Listen to the end of Row J between the 8:30 and 9:00 mark...
Let It Grow is overall not too bad. Get usual Phil spikes occasionally on peaks, and my notes suggest that I’m convinced much of the “problem” here and throughout is Bobs too loud? Not sure if too loud is correct, perhaps he’s playing really loud (it was a big hall with loud NY crowd for that period?) and the recordings fine, your just hearing his rig distort? But though I really dig his sound and prevalence in the mix, cause he’s killing it, perhaps he’s occasionally a tad loud relative to other sources? (Good example in upcoming tape splice)
Oh, and what the hell was that weird “organ” sound starting around 12:55 or so lol, certainly not a B3! Pretty wild whatever it was.
ROLLL OUT the Barrel sounded pretty good lol.
EYES you can get a good taste during the instrumental section around 2:30..and a good example of normal piano clipping (sensitive pickups), but then he switches to ? guessing the Rhodes, which occasionally has its own distortion characteristics, but this is more of what I call normal stuff.
Listen around 9:40+ for what I call FM like static. This is another stew ingredient that is harder to hear, not always there, but there on occasion?
More of the same minor stuff through to about 3:30 in BIG RIVER, though Bob goes way outta tune at 2:25 in GSET and seems to take a few tunes to fully get back lol.
$ LET ME SING is perhaps the best overall example of many things going on on this release. This and $ CHINA CAT are the most obvious examples of the idiosyncrasies on this release. Check out LMS at 2:00 mark and at the end etc.
check out Weirs intro licks to China Cat and some of that drum stuff at 1:30+...eventually it gets better and by RIDER it’s sorta status quo again (meaning instances but nothing huge).
From there on I mostly stopped with notes and just listened, though $ Trucking, GDTRFB etc are good examples of the “stew” especially the blending of the cymbally snare FM static with Bobs distortion whether intentional or not, it all adds up.
EDIT: $$$ end of show especially One Mo Sat is really dirty all the way around, and
TRUCKIN’ TAPE SPLICE? $$ Check out how “it” almost disappears at 4:56, actually something starts to be tweaked a little before that? Bobs not there at all until around 6:00 but he’s back at 6:22. Sounds like a tape splice, perhaps using a cassette, or perhaps some processor kicked in and out, but what’s most interesting is listen to Bob comparatively during these 2 sections, before, during, and after, it’s amazing how much different the 2 sound, especially Bob, and seemingly our phenomena too!
By George I think we’ve figured most of this out!

Conclusion: it’s the battered old tape, complicated by a perfect storm of minor, often normal anomalies, and an unusual Weir mix for good or for ill, and when occurring simultaneously, often during song peaks, it can unfortunately be distracting.
Listening equipment, environment, and personal habits no doubt play a roll in individual experiences. I can see how many folks might not notice much of this.
But on revealing equipment with certain ears it can be so obvious as to be jarring on first occasion.
Like many uncertainties, once the knowledge is gained, the dissonance is usually manageable. Getting better with every listen, though at low volume : (
VERDICT: Caveat Emptor indeed, but with perhaps an extra pinch...

EDIT: this in no way shape or form describes the musical content, which is superb!
May 19, 2021 - 3:09pm

#1360

That Mike

Joined:
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Point Set Match to Oro

Oro - That is quite a great dissertation on sound production! You know your stuff!
I’ve never had the ear of a Brian Wilson/George Martin, and I know Dick’s & Dave’s come with the odd hiccup and blemish, but at the end of the day, it’s The Grateful Dead.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Gary...

.... I would never kid about a Partridge family offer!!

How can you NOT have their greatest hits in your collection. Wasn't available for years,,,, I had the rope around the beam ready to check out, when GOD himself informed me the album was dropping and I should wait. Well I did and was sonically rewarded, I woke up in love that morning, so come get happy. Nirvana awaits!!

Daverock...

.. You cut me to the quick when you said you sold your albums :-(

That has to hurt to this day. I regret I broke my little yellow kids 78's when I was about 7 ( I had outgrown them)

But thankfully I have EVERYTHING else I ever bought. Love my K-Tel records :-)

About the Partridge Family...

Their inspiration were the very talented family band and sunshine popsters, The Cowsills.
Check out The Rain, The Park and Other Things, some nice ear cotton-candy.

Oh cousin...

I have the cowsills greatest hits also. Apparently one of the few albums in my wife's house growing up,,,, so I got it for "her". It's actually the Cowsills IN Concert!!! Why would you NOT want them LIVE!!!

Good Vibrations -> Sunshine of Your Love -> Paperback Writer -> Reach Out, I'll be There!!!

What a suite of songs!!!

And this week's winner for phrase-ology:

"Screwed the pooch..."

Double bonus points as this comment referred to a Who album.

"Screwed the pooch" versus "over-egged the pudding"! Clash of the titans....

Pooch vs. Pudding

I heard pooch long before pudding, so I say pudding wins for innovation, and a less disturbing image.

Going through boxes of stuff

Found my old copy of Guitar player magazine with Jerry on the cover from 1978 or 79. I used the cover for decor and is now somewhere.

I remember when that arrived at our home in wisconsin. Jerry definitely had charisma...I had heard of the GD peripherally and on radio and SNL...I wanted to read that article (and did of course).

Pudding

Fo sho!
Pops used to say shit like “screw the pooch” all the time, but eggin’ the pudding...brilliant!
Love new ones....

Disturbing images, thinking Randy Marsh in China with Mickey...

PF, Sweeet, I have that Guitar player mag, plus a few others from back then. Unfortunately don’t have the one with Phil from a year or 2 before. I should re-read that...

Good Gawd Almighty, Proudfoot

I must have a defense mechanism that allows me to enjoy a twisted phrase, but without actually VISUALIZING it.

So, thanks for the visual on "screw the pooch." They were just WORDS until you chimed in............

That said, I do live in the West, where men are men and, so it's said, the sheep run scared.

Okay, time for Dave's video on DP # 39! Once again I've inadvertently led the race to the bottom. Oh wait, there's another phrase that I never thought through!

Nitecat

Yeah on the Bonus Disk to the "All the years combine" dvd box, on the second grouping is Justin Kreutzmann documentary from 1992 titled "Backstage Pass." The first segment or chapter is a nice Pig Hard to Handle, then the second chapter is a Drums segment with Billy and Mickey alone in a studio. They did the custom drums for this documentary, so you will hear at first like beads hitting each other and then Mickey and Billy hitting these two long vertical drums and it is off and running. Lots of grate footage through out Backstage Pass. But during this drums you will see the train, will not say more though, as it is intense. It also has these Dead motif walking puppets that are a trip. Maybe someone can pinpoint where this footage is from. Hope that helps, sorry for the delay.

A Family Bus

and "come on, get happy!"

I think Bear helped with their sound system.

Last 5

1 Best of Muddy Waters, 2. Workingman 's Dead expanded version, 3. Charlie Musslewhite, Louisiana Fog, 4. Anthem of the Sun expanded version, 5 Best of Little Walter. Last 5 beers.. Plin y the Elder. x 5.

Live at Leeds

Listening right now

When you need a palette cleanser, L@L is a good one.

Last 5/Not Ashamed(of anything!!)

Last 5: CSNY-Deja Vu box-disc 3
CSNY-Deja Vu box-disc 2
Lemon Pipers-Best Of
Cream-Royal Albert Hall-disc 2
Yes-Close To The Edge-Steven Wilson mix

Dennis, you continue to be my brother from another mother. I have Partridge Family Best Of, a 2-disc Cowsills, one of which is Best Of. Not to mention ABBA’s Greatest Hits, 5th Dimension-Gold, and at least a dozen more that most people wouldn’t admit to owning, much less enjoying.
Music is the Best!!

Enjoying both

I didn't need another copy of Skullf#@% but I'm interested for the 7/2 tracks. I agree that Pigpen on organ was exactly what the Dead needed in 1971-1972. Sure he may have hit a bad note now and then, but they all did. Pigpen had a great presence of mind to play exactly when needed.

Holding The Poison Down

"And now for something completely different..."

- Monty Python

For years now I've been writing the Foo Fighters off as populist soccer mom rock, and Dave Grohl as an over exposed puppy dog. I cannot believe how much I love the new record, Medicine At Midnight.

Very stylistically diverse and just a beautiful, fun, warm rock record. Amazing. I could not gush more.

And now back to your regularly scheaduled programming...

Foo Fighters

My wife used to watch top 20 video countdown

FF "LEARNIN TO WALK AGAIN!!!"

and

"THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST!!!"

no hate or disrespect

Just facts

I was lucky enough to see Nirvana in '92

Dave Grohl

Not a huge fan of his music, but he is a cool dude. Sound City is an outstanding documentary.

Ella

Just scored a Ella Fitzgerald collection (the complete songbook series)

Talk about Ella came up last night at work and came home to check my Ella stuff. I have several of the "song books" collections. Never knew the was a "complete" box set. Guess it out of print. Amazon had big dollar pricing. Found a copy on a site called Mercari,,,, 83 bucks!!! 16 cd box!

From wiki -

They are considered a cornerstone of 20th century recorded popular music, and as a whole, represent some of the finest interpretations of the greater part of the musical canon known as the Great American Songbook.

The New York Times columnist Frank Rich was moved to write a few days after Fitzgerald's death that in the Song Book series, she "performed a cultural transaction as extraordinary as Elvis's contemporaneous integration of white and African-American soul."

Here was a black woman popularizing urban songs often written by immigrant Jews to a national audience of predominantly white Christians. As Ira Gershwin said, in the line quoted in every obituary: "I never knew how good our songs were until I heard Ella Fitzgerald sing them." Most of the rest of us didn't know, either. By the time she had gone through the entire canon, songs that had been pigeonholed as show tunes or jazz novelties or faded relics of Tin Pan Alley had become American classical music, the property and pride of everyone."[3]

Sorry for the non sequitur,,, I just had to share my good fortune.

Oh,,,,, don't tell the wife!!

Mr Ones & the 5th

HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE THE 5th DIMENSION!!!

Here inside my paper cup we listen while on Stone Soul Picnics!

...Reading this thread...

I can't help but remember Mr. Ones catch phrase, Music is the Best.

There's always something going on around here and certainly not restricted to the Grateful Dead.

Ella, Ella, Ella

Flashback to ~1975... I'm 17... We get tickets for Ella Fitzgerald with the Count Basie Orchestra (the Count was conducting, I believe) and we head to the Westchester Premier Theater (now closed).

Picture 4-5 teenagers with long hair, flannel shirts and jeans, probably stinking of pot, possibly with "white walls" around our nostrils (we got into blow that year), entering the theater, where everyone was dressed in their New York City best. Just after the show began. The ushers wouldn't seat us in our ticketed seats down front -- understandable now, but not then. But they seated us somewhere. Ella and the band played a remarkable set and Phil Woods -- one of the greatest clarinetists ever -- played a solo that I still remember absolutely devastated us. Then the band took requests. The process was amazing! A well-heeled jazz fan in the audience would yell out a tune. The Count would confer with his band. Always, a player would say something like, 'Oh yeah, that's a bouncy thing in G#m" and band heads would nod in agreement, Ella would say yay or nay on her knowing the lyrics -- or she'd scat/fake 'em -- and off they'd go. So polished, you wouldn't know they'd never played it before. During intermission, we did get seated in our seventh row center ticketed seats, standing out like a pocket of hoodlums in a coiffed crowd. Amazing night.

We caught all kinds of uptown jazz and swing acts in those days because my buddy's dad had been a drummer for the fabled Savoy record label in Neward, NJ, and when he heard us listening to the Band of Gypsys (Hendrix of course), he went to his record collection, pulled out 15 LPs, handed them over and said, 'Okay, if you're gonna listen to Hendrix and the Dead etc., you also have to learn where everything came from. Dig this!' And he thrust the well-played platters into my hands. That opened me up to the music of the 1940s, '50s and early '60s. Of course, over the years, I pushed back to the '30s and '20s -- Robert Johnson and Co., Lonnie Johnson, etc., which was a legacy of my friend's dad lifting the veil on popular music.

So, I may be HF, but I got schooled by that LP collection and dozens of killer shows in NYC while I lived in the area. Good times. Big ears. Ask about our Oscar Petersen 'experience' sometime.

That is all...

5th Dimension - Summer of Soul

The 5th Dimension are figured prominently in the Summer of Soul documentary on Hulu. Good flick. Seeing Mavis Staples singing with Mahalia Jackson may not make you a believer, but it will sure make you happy.

Would love to meet Mavis someday. Woman has the power of a thousand suns.

"and with a voice like Ella's ringing out

there's no way the band could lose"

Wife had the good fortune to hear EF at a jazz camp back a few decades

Mighty Mavis

Caught her with Amy Helm and another great singer at Chautauqua in Boulder a few years back. Then again opening for Dylan, when she promised to literally kick the ass of the Mango Mussolini -- cracked up the crowd. Boy, think of the Pay-for-View revenue from that televised event..............

Bad sign: two posts in a row

But I'll spin DP 36 again this week, as I feel an announcement coming on 39 -- perhaps this Friday, if the pattern holds?

Huh, I never used to be like this -- impatient for a release, when there's more to life than DPs...

Okay, who the f*** am I kidding??

DaP 39

I can't believe I am saying this.. but it does look like we will get an update on 39 before the box set reveal.

The third release of the year can be the real wildcard of the subscription. I am guessing 82 or 91, but would be stoked with a 69 dropped into this years lineup. In any case.. it seems it will compete with the box set reveal to an extent.

In other words.. Dave, if you're listening, we need another release.

Seeing is believing

It'll be a bit of a shock to log on here and see news of an upcoming release.

GarciaLive 1.5?

I've been grooving to a lot of JGB lately (GL 16 is very nice), and have been wishing for some JGB releases from the early 80s. I looked into some good bootlegs online, then came across old news about how 6/26/81 was "released" officially many years ago, but only as a download, only for one week, and perhaps only as an incentive to purchase a t-shirt? No wonder I didn't get it, and I get everything.

Does anyone have the official download? And are you willing to share, please? If it were available for sale then I wouldn't ask.

Thanks!

Hold onto your wallets, boys

Okay, so now the conventional wisdom is that DP 39 gets announced and, three weeks later, arrives, meaninig a box set announcement in the dog days of August?

Either that pushes the box news to post-Labor Day -- hey, I'm in no hurry to get there at this point, summer in the Rockies is so freakin' short -- or the TPTB simply ignore all rules of retail and count on the news spreading like wildfire, even if some folks have disappeared into the mountains in August...

Then there's the sense I got that beyond the DP series and the box, there's one other release getting teed up.

So, the mystery is probably not that mysterious: why no news, when last year the '76 box came somewhat early? I'm thinking that either the tapes, the box design or other production issue has hit a glitch and they're not announcing until and unless the path to a sales or preorder date is smoothed out.

What's the other release? I'd love to think it's an "early" Wake of the Flood -- a favorite of mine as I heard so much of it in concert prior to the LP's release. But here are a couple other thoughts: they skipped anything to do with the 50th of Live/Dead/Fillmore West because they've done the limited edition as well as a nice compilation for losers like me (who convinced myself at the time of release that I "didn't have the money"... Idiot!!) The coupling of WD and AB with '71 shows was simply that they have few '70 shows to spare and had already mixed the Capitol '71 run so those shows were handy. But doing a 50th of Skull & Roses, coupled with only a single disc of 7-2-71, threw my theories a curveball. I can't see anything clearly in this cloudy crystal ball. What if they release a DVD of one of the Euro '72 shows next year and WotF in 2023?? Just trying to think outside the black hole...

They're obviously not going to wait until 2039 to release a 50th Built to Last, as Dave clearly stated, so when does the acceleration begin? They've surely got enough '73 left in the can to do a full show with WotF, but that year's shows were nearly always 3 discs' worth. Except, um, the Watkins Glen soundcheck....(Yet the Compendium lists the soundcheck at 90 minutes, which would require a 10-minute trim job. Ugh.)

Okay, obviously running out of original ideas and now just circling back to my usual 2020-2021 harangue over a '72 box and a '73 WotF w/ Watkins bonus "idea." Just rambling now........

I swear I'll stop now...

After this: so I went back to Dave's seaside chat from 23 Oct 2020 and, skipping over "this version is amazing" and "you'll love the way the band does blah blah blah" and Dave says "we're doing preliminary work on the 2021 box, which we'll talk more about in a few months, I'm sure..."

Well, that clears up .......... NOTHING!

Since it looks like MUATM wont happen this year...

I plan to at long last experience a VFTV show on August 1

7 8 90? Nah.
6 16 90? Maybe.
6 14 91? Could easily be.
87? Uhhh....
GD movie? Nuh.
12 31 78? Hey.....

Hey! I have a copy of Essen 81!

THAT ONE!

I remember hearing/watching 6 14 91 and seeing Jerry morph into a lion.

That was cool.

The late Top Petty said it best....

...."the waiting is the hardest part."

Right There With You Proudfoot

We can have the party without them. Perhaps they will toss us a Shakedown Stream for good measure.

I love a good sense of humor.. I was reading this discovery of Neanderthal's ability to create art from deer bones 51,000 years ago in a cave in Germany, "the Unicorn Cave" to be exact.. (if I could attach the lenk to the article I would).. and at the article ended with the following line:

"The Neanderthal who turned a deer bone into art could not be reached for comment."

I know the box announcement

Jerryz birthday or the friday before

dead head brewer and JGB

check pm, hit me with a email

S&R 50th

cd and propeller vinyl came today. The prop effect was neat, should look good spinning. Unlike the picture on the site that made it look white, it was clear vinyl with black prop.

I have faith....

....that I won't be shamed for sharing the news that Britney Spears is retiring from recording.
Guilty pleasure. I know I've posted my appreciation for here before. I like beats. Her dad is a Pos.
Anywho. Also itching for a box set. Still waiting. I'm still waiting.
It's going to be Fall 72.

Dennis

I want to thank you for all the great music I have been able to download from you. Thanks so very much for sharing your stash. If I had the world to give.......

Vguy and Britney

Not a fan or non fan, but I love the lyrics to "Piece of Me". What a great song for the double entendre. I think I'd bet a dollar a doughnut she didn't write it, but the truth of the lyrics is astounding!

Sometimes it seems like......

....... there's just TOO much music available in the world!

I have a very sprawling collection of music and can still be caught off guard.

Buddy showed up yesterday and asked if I ever heard Dr. Lonnie Smith. I never had AND I had none in the collection.

Quick youtube check showed I needed some of this guy. ( I like the cover of Sunshine Superman with Iggy Pop)

Anyone got a nice collection they like to share,,, maybe I can offer some Jimmy Smith in return?

Dennis/Dr. Lonnie

How right you are. There is so much music that my wife thinks that I have ENOUGH music right now. I keep telling her that's not possible, but she does not understand. A lot of people confuse Dr. Lonnie Smith with Lonnie Liston Smith. Easy to do because they both play the organ, but in fact, 2 different people. I have a bunch of Lonnie Liston Smith, but the only Dr. Lonnie Smith I have is called Afrodesia. I'd be happy to send you a burn copy, if you want to PM me. Music just might break up this ole marriage O'mine!!

Keep listening, because Music is the Best!!

Box Announcement

I'm guessing there is a very real possibility that Garcia's family is up to their old tricks and started another legal battle. The second box from 2020 never came, now we're over a year out since the last one. Reminds me of 2007, we got one release that year, Spirit of 76. Later we found out it was because Koons had gone to court to take a bigger cut. Not sayin', just sayin'.

I certainly hope it's not a legal issue

The GD organization and its beneficiaries are...not destitute. Mo' money?

Hopefully the delay is just a "hey man, I had to make sure it was 'just exactly perfect'" thing

6 30 74

Very nice

Has anyone here attended a show with Seastones? 1974, that is.

Seastones.....

If you know the animated series BoJack Horseman

(humans and animals/insects/etc. coexist in a society where the animals have human bodies but animal/insect heads...just go with it...)

In an episode last night, a stagehand with a goat's head is wearing a goat skull steal your face Tshirt that reads "Goatful Dead"

Seastones live

Guilty as charged. I saw Seastones performed at Ally Pally in London, September 1974. They played three nights and I think Seastones was performed at the second and last shows. I have no idea which of those two nights was graced with my presence but I did witness Ned and Phil in action between sets. I was totally unimpressed by their electronic noodling. A compilation of the three shows was released as Dick's Picks Volume Seven. I have previously documented my subsequent efforts to get home after the show on here so I won't return to that now. I blame the space cakes.

Thank you simonrob, for your honesty

I was on the road in '74 and had to leave San Francisco in the 2nd week of Sept '74 to get home for school. So I missed Seatones shows and, yes, the "last 5 nights." So close, but no cigar. And, based on the tapes I've heard, I did not miss out when it came to Seastones. The '74 version of "Eyes"? Yes. But not Seastones.

Perhaps an acquired taste, like Ouzo? (Got a story there.....)