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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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  • JimInMD
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    There is really only one solution. It's a bit complicated.. so hang in there with me. This is what we all need to do.

    1) Get out the credit card with the greatest limit.
    2) Google, select and purchase the new Wall of Sound, Home Edition TM (C) R with this credit card. As soon as the purchase is made destroy this card.
    3) DO NOT TELL your partner/significant other.
    4) Go to the roughest bar in town and tell some raunchy mom jokes to the bouncer. Keep doing this until he pummels you.
    5) Come home and tell your partner / significant other you were mugged and robbed. Tell them all they took was your credit card.
    6) If your partner is suspicious file a police report.
    7) Install the WOS Home Edition in your listening room while your partner is not home. If complaints arise later, amnesia from the head trauma is your response. "honey, I am having trouble remembering anything from that week.
    8) Replay Dave's Picks 38 at high volume.

    Your sound issues are now resolved. Happy listening.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    The levels are too high

    I mentioned that a while ago, after others had already detected it with headphones.

    I played the CDs twice on my stereo system are did not detect any sound issues.
    Onkyo 6-disc CD changer
    Cambridge Audio receiver
    Onkyo subwoofer
    Bose 301 speakers

    I then imported to computer and made ALAC files for my music players and AAC files to play from a USB flash drive in the car.
    When I played the imported AIFF files on the computer there was extensive distortion through the small external computer speakers.
    The colored bars that show the sound levels (not volume) on the computer audio software were almost hitting red. Clearly too high, but don’t know if that is on the original recording or the result of mastering.
    Recall that on 8-25-72 Norman boosted Phil’s bass beyond what was on the original recording.
    Maybe he boosted the levels for this release.

    I played the ALAC files with an iBasso DX120 music player connected to my Cambridge Audio receiver. Did not detect any distortion or other sound flaws.
    Been playing the AAC files in the car this week and have not heard any issues so far (set 2 started just before getting to work today).

    So, it definitely depends on your system whether you hear the issues.
    Crappy computer speakers sound terrible.
    Apparently a high end system like Oro’s reveals the sound problems too.
    My midrange system sounds good as does the audio system in my car.

  • unkle sam
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    Upon several listens to these cd's, I concur, this release has a few abnormalities that don't take away from the overall enjoyment of listening to these discs, but they are noticeable and makes me wonder if it was the master tape or was it a mailed in mastering job?
    This has also made me wonder, will the rest of Dave's sound like this? I love me some Jerry right up front, why I'm here, but there should be a better balance of all the players in a band, not just one or two.
    Disappointing? yes, deal breaker? not sure yet, will have to wait and see, but if there is any more killer shows that they do want to release, lets hope that the folks who do the mastering of these ancient tapes does a little bit better job than this release.
    On a separate note, I was privileged to receive a code for the Dead and Company presale going on today at 10 am. Funny, I did not receive a code last tour, not privileged I guess. The price for these tickets is outrageous. A vip guaranteed reserve seat is over 250.00$. That's for one ticket.
    It was fun getting excited like the old days, yahoo, the dead to tour, get your head together, get some tickets, get excited, get ready.....then I realized that those days are over for me. I can go see Billy strings, get a great hotel room, then go to the hot air balloon festival and get to ride on a hot air balloon, all for the same amount of cash. Kinda seems like a no brainer here, twice as much fun for the same dollars.
    I realize that Bobby, Mickey and Billy are getting up there and there won't be too many more tours for them, and I would love to revisit these guys one more time.
    The last time I tried to get tickets and got them, the show was cancelled due to Mayer's appendicitis. I don't want to jinx it so I will pass on this tour, besides, it's just too soon for me to be out there with all those vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Too all those who decide to go, enjoy.

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    I ultimately reached the conclusion that part of the issue is how people are listening. I do not listen on headphones, computer speakers or use any type of equalizer. So far I have not listened in the car. I did try using Dolby on one of our stereo systems, which reduced the noise to a certain extent, but not entirely.

  • dreading
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    I've been in the record business all my life and agree with AJS. There is almost no way an audio anomaly like what was described could occur on some discs and not others for Dave's Picks. These discs are pressed ùfrom the same master. There would need to be two different master mixes for a subset of CDs to contain an anomaly. I would say the player could be a factor, but Obo ruled that out already. I assume like Jim said we are not counting Bertha because it is uneven for obvious reasons. I hear a decent sounding 1973 show here. The master tapes sound better better than Pacific Northwest but not as good as DaP 5. I don't hear many audio issues at all. I would like to hear what Obo and AJS are disliking. I whipped out the Bose headphones and all I hear is Jerry "shredding". What a night he is having. Weir too. Early on somebody said Keith was gone and that is true. Every once in a while I will hear a section that sounds like a tunnel for 5 or 10 seconds, but they are few and far between. Or Weir will just stop playing like in China Cat Sunflower but he needs to rest sometimes. He played China Cat, HCS, EOTW and Bird Song all in one night ;-)

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    The chances are virtually nil that some defect would have only affected such a small number of discs. Furthermore, it only occurs on the 9/8 show, not 9/7. I am very surprised as well that others are not hearing it.

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    I don't hear it, which isn't saying much. I rip everything to my hard drive as WAV files and run them through an equalizer with a bunch of sound options. "Concert Hall" is perfect for these old Dead tapes, plus I push up the four EQ sliders all the way to the right about halfway.

    That being said Oborious, this sentence got my attention. You say:

    I’ve noticed the phenomena/artifact on several instruments and vocals, usually only noticeable when that source is loud and/or with sharp attack...but it’s never like everything is distorting all at the same time.

    This phenomena sounds like something Norman may have done in production. It sounds like a feature I have that prevents clipping at high volume. I am a fan of good sound but no engineer so I will copy the internet definition, which you probably know:

    Clipping is a form of waveform distortion that occurs when an amplifier is overdriven and attempts to deliver an output voltage or current beyond its maximum capability. Driving an amplifier into clipping may cause it to output power in excess of its power rating.

    When I play stuff too loud this feature cuts back on only the parts that are causing the clipping. It is obvious to the ear when this feature on my system gets activated. It sounds exactly like your description where you say 'several instruments and vocals, usually only noticeable when that source is loud and/or with sharp attack...but it’s never like everything is distorting all at the same time.'

    My theory is that the master tapes Jeff Norman worked with had some hot spots so he used a feature like what I have on my equalizer to "even out" all the levels as he input the music from the master tapes on to a digital storage.

    I am not sure why I don't hear it but I guess my EQ is dressing it up. If I listen to the CD with no EQ it sounds like the treble needs to get turned up all the way. Even then it doesn't sound even close to the quality of the EQ and Concert Hall enhancement. It makes me curious if a lot of people out there listen straight off the CD with nothing 'extra' to improve the sound.

    On a different note I laughed heartily at the quacking duck interview. Well done whoever made that up. It sounds like something Jerry would say.

    And last, I listened to the Dark Star / Morning Dew that KF mentioned on 5/18/72. I don't know how I overlooked that one but it is much better than I remembered. Somehow the Europe 72 Dark Stars never stuck with me. Probably because I rarely play those shows. Only because I want them to be special every time.

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    Great joke.. made my day.
    I wholeheartedly agree.

    Yes.. the sound on 38 is a bit wobbly in the beginning. But isn't that Grateful Dead standard time? It sounds ok by the time they get warmed up.

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    Next up on the E72 anniversary list. What at a great show. And it's Dark Star => Morning Dew night.
    I'm going to go out on limb here and say it's the first time they did this combo. This is one of my favorite shows from the tour. Jerry's guitar is louder than usual (and louder is always better). Crunchy guitars are tight!

    Sugar Magnolia really hits a groove, and Billy has this absolutely ridiculous drum fill at the....drum fill part; I've never heard him play it quite like this - it's like gets a running headstart. Great version despite a classic Bobby lyric miss early on (proof of the weed).

    Jack Straw is great. This is maybe the second one where Jerry sings the Watchman and Tulsa verses, and Bobby forgets it's not his line anymore - so they both jump the Watchman - not a fair fight at all.

    And some great banter after Black-Throated Wind. Jerry always makes me laugh up there. He was the king of one-liners:

    Girl Fan (to Jerry): Lovelight!

    Jerry: Turn on YOUR Lovelight baby.

    Girl Fan: You Turn on yours first.

    Jerry: Oh no, after you...

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    I was surprised this is the first real discussion about it. I got my copies a week ago, and have made it through the Bonus and Bird Song and Playing as I ripped and converted and had 9/7 first. Also, made it up to Weather Report Suite on the release. The sound struck me as incredibly washy, and while it's great to hear Keith and Bob much more than usual (some releases you wonder if Keith played on much at all from his presence on the tapes, but these are great for Keith fans!), so I just balance that with the cymbal heavy mix. Maybe they were trying new mic placements for the drums. Not Kidd Candelario's best tape by any stretch. He's usually top notch, though. Jai Alai Fronton last year is a phenomenal Kidd tape. That may be my favorite Wall of Sound release for sound quality.

    Also, I'm surprised, or have missed, no reference to the Bonus Eyes ending not with its Slipknotish jam, but ending with a Here Comes Sunshine jam. A fantastic Eyes! Phil with a different start to his solo, and a different feel, maybe reacting to the Wolf darting around? So far enjoying the release and bearing with the sound.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Dennis & Nappyrags - You’re welcome. I am a fan, too, of Morgan. I read his bio, and how he was mentored by Art Blakey as a young player, and then the documentary was released, which intrigued me more. An interesting part of this release is Jack DeJohnette sitting in for part of a set; Jack is kind of like the Jim Keltner of jazz, has played with so many different artists and albums, incredible. I was fortunate enough to see him play with John Scofield (and meet him after). Regardless, this set is definitely on my radar, especially since things are a little “dry” on the Dead front.

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New picture on Dave’s Twitter feed of a tripod and video camera next to the shore. Unless he’s teasing us, I reckon we’ll see something around the Friday mark

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That Mike - it doesn't look like Ginger Baker left a trail of happiness wherever he went, that's for sure. Apart from when he was on stage, that is.

Miles Davis excepts from "Jack Johnson" L.P. on the way to my house via RSD. I haven't got the box set set of these recordings, so I am looking forward to hearing what this sounds like. A freight train, probably.

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I think the mystery dark star is from 30 DOD 2019. 10/12-13/68 would make a nice box either way. Late 89 sounds good.

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I compared this to the 9/2/68 Dark Star from Betty Nelson’s Organic Raspberry Farm, based on Doc’s observations. It compares favorably, so I’ll say sometime between Sept.-Nov. of ‘68.

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Jim, SDUBBZ03, sounds like you guys concur on 10/12/68. Thank you also Mr. Ones DOC for your input. Even better that I can go through the 30 Days of Dead pick it up. It was one of those deals where I stumbled upon it and normally wouldn't have paid much mind to it, but I thought it was just really really extraordinary good. So then the hunt began, but I didn't have it on my phone on any of the official releases or the many soundboard dark stars I have uploaded to it. And of course I don't have 30 days of dead on my phone. That may change soon, because I also just recently found a much better recording of Bird Song from 9/10/72 on 30 Days of Dead.

I ended up putting together a bunk bed set today and haven't had a chance to grab this elusive Dark Star, but I did listen to it a bunch of times on the YouTube video. It will be in my Jam playlist by sunset.

I used to have software to do that kind of editing and crossfading. Made a couple of cool Pink Floyd mixes about 20 years ago when CD burners were all the rage. I'm looking for some kind of comparable software do that with now. I would love to meld together a mix like this again.

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I sure would like that.

I heard 6 22 86 set one for the first time earlier today. Glorious Greek energy.

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39 years ago today, I was down in Ventura for the 2nd show of the weekend, it was the first year the Dead would play in Ventura. They brought back Crazy Fingers on this day , they hadn't played it in awhile. I'm sure there are enough good shows from Ventura to make a great box. Ventura, Greek, and Frost, not a single release yet, I tell ya, a lot of those shows seemed pretty good to me at the time.

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It bothered the heck out of me when I saw the Dark Star date was 10/12/68, because......where is Pigpen with his repetitive keyboard melody? (this is what had me guessing as late as 1970). Went to archive.org to look at the show and read "Notes: Pigpen was absent".

The world is back to normal.

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So found myself Truckin' up to Buffalo with the wife and her wonderful sister, her awesome husband, and my fantastic teenage niece. So far, since they arrived last Wednesday, we have taken in a trip to Newport, RI for some good food at a place called the Red Parrot we ate at a few months ago, and took a quick walk down to the sea at the Cliff Walk. Then drove back home outside Boston, slept, then off to Falmouth and a ferry to Martha's Vineyard. When we got there, we decided bikes in the heat and humidity would kill those of us well beyond the thought of in shape, and thus rented a Jeep. After lunch at a packed spot, where at one point a very soft acoustic guitar and bass began the familiar rhythm of Scarlet Begonias, then a soft female voice sang it. Hard to hear over the din of the restaurant, but unmistakably Scarlet. But food down our gullets, we proceeded to cover most of the island in several hours. (Several hours of this idiot foregoing sunscreen and the top in the Jeep. Though, at least I wore my hat to protect the bald pate.) We saw several lighthouses, but fog shrouded much else. Though some cliffs were visible, just nothing beyond 20 ft of the water or so, but the sun appeared in spots. We ferried back, and today we set out for Niagra Falls, and in the search for something to do on driving day, I suggested we stop for waterfalls in Ithaca and Barton Hall for a quick few photos.

What a great decision! There is something really fantastic about Cornell and Ithaca. The college is situated on top of a large hill overlooking a valley carved by glaciers, and the massive Cayuga Lake behind it. Seeing it behind the lake on the way out was just magnificent, you could get a better idea of the grandeur of the architecture or Cornell. Barton Hall itself is a giant track and field brick barn. It looks like an acoustical nightmare, as Bob Weir himself said it was. But it sits neatly among these awe inspiring buildings on a campus that has produced incredible things in a variety of fields and done so for a long time. I think that partly has to do with the idyllic setting. If you ever have the chance to pass that way, do yourself a favor and go through campus and check it out. Peek in the window, and imagine the crew setting up for the show. Peer up at the scaffolding in the ceiling and think of the dying chords of Morning Dew reverberating their last on that Mother's Day evening... Right after that we went to the Ithaca Falls, which is right down the road, and behind the campus. Walking down a little gravel strewn path for a couple hundred yards towards an intensifying roar of water thundering down 156' falls gives you a sense of the power of a place like this. But tomorrow those falls shall be eclipsed by those at Niagra.

Back on the road following our visit to the site of the mind control experiment, when it came my musical selection I chose Jack Straw from Cornell. I wanted Scarlet, but they would have balked at 12 min, so went with Jack at 6. As it played, I found I could picture them playing it there in a way I really couldn't before.

Ithaca is indeed a very cool place.

Based on the timing of your post, you have likely left for Buffalo. I would’ve given you some other places to check out. Feel free to send me a PM if you would like.

It’s unfortunate that Canadaland is still closed. The falls are something to behold from that side. Also, Niagara on the Lake is a neat little town.

And the Anchor Bar is overrated for wings. Duff’s is decent and is right on your way to the falls.

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Ithaca, sweet hidden gem, used to have some cool funky culture too...
Letchworth State park would of made another nice stop along the way...
Concur, Anchors ok, Duffs is better, but Mammosers is the shit!
Even most of the locals don’t know about it!

Unfortunate Canada’s still locked down, the falls are much nicer on the Canadaland side...
Albright Knox Art gallery is nice if your into that and there’s a nice lake/park there to go for a walk or sit and eat lunch. Historical museum and the Zoo are nearby...
City hall and Frank Loyd Wright house if your into architecture, Chippewa Street is a whole street of clubs/bars etc, Naval Park and the waterfront, especially if they have concerts on Thursday nights..

Safe Travels!

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Was just there again for our annual summer bike-beach trip over the 4th. If you were in a deadhead bar in Edgartown theres a good chance it was the Sea Shanty. There's a massive framed MV-themed stealie on the stairs heading to roofdeck, always warms my heart to see it still there even after all the years...even if it is missing its nose holes. No nose you say? How does it smell?! Like the ocean. And with the mention of Letchworth y'all seem to following me around this summer. Birds of a feather indeed. Hope everyone is finding some comfort and repose during this summer of insanity. Highly recommend the new King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard album, Butterfly 3000. Every single album they put out is unique but uniquely their own...HIGHLY recommend for heads into neo-psychedelia and incredible musicianship. To some it can be a tough listen at first but you WILL be rewarded deeply for exploring multiple offerings of theirs.. Also go see Khruangbin at Newport Jazz, they are one of the BEST new bands the last decade.

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..but I think I will pass on taking my boat off Niagara Falls. (one side note, there is a rapid called Little Niagara on the river I live on, so I'll get my Niagara fix today). Cool story, I am a big venue enthusiast.. my next trip to Europe I plan on visiting some new venues.. a lot of us seem to have a venue fascination and it's great how you can turn almost any road trip into a GD themed adventure.

One other parting note, we need a new release..

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A show from Frost or Ventura, I think they are saving up for a Greek box.

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Sounds good to me, Billy. Ventura may be more likely, since the Frost shows were broadcast live on the Stanford radio station each year. I'm ready for that Greek box, like you I attended every one.

For a while I've been digging into 1970 Dead, enjoying the unique psychedelic guitar work of Jerry on Dancing', Good Love, Hard to Handle, Man's World, Lovelight, Masons children.

TTATS 1970
Dave's 6
Dave's 19
and of course the radio broadcast that got me into the Dead, released decades later as Dick's 8. 5/2/70 Harpur College. Boy in 1972 I was cranking that radio broadcast! I was fortunate enough to have my friend's older brother had recorded it off the radio. And off I went on the bus, later in August 1972 at the Berkeley Community Theater, never to be the same again!

Good stuff. I really like 1970 Dead.

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Gabriel's Gate also has some fine wings. Right near Chippewa Street, which Oro already correctly pointed out as being awesome.

Edit: Also, don’t forget to try a Beef on a Weck.

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Pretty sweet Nitecat to get your start at the Berkeley Community Center in August 1972. Those are shows are high on my list. Glad you made it through all these years.

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Nitecat, the 1970 show in TTATS, is my favorite show in the whole box.

King Crimson Court on CD which I bought at Harvest Records in Salem
6 22 86 disc 2
Zappa Guitar tracks from disc 2
Motorhead Iron Fist
12 11 72 disc 2 :)))))))))))))))))))))))
6 22 86 disc 3

Tasty

....yummy. But not now. Stupid vguy made chicken last night and didn't check the expiration date. Got my son and I both sick today.
Not covid, but damn. Food sounds gross right now.
Just plopped in Dave's Jai-Alai Fronton. More digestible lol.
Iron Maiden just put out a new track. The Writing On The Wall. They continue to age like a fine wine.

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Oh, sweet mama.. VGuy's got them old chicken blues...

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I checked that out from 10/12/68. That scratchy thing Mickey plays is extremely loud and annoying. Gets in the way of some premier liquid Garcia. I am a big fan of the primal Dead late 60s two drummer make up of the band during the big jams, when Bill and Mickey were in sync and nailing it, but sometimes like this Mickey should have just sat on his hands. Didn't miss that scratchy thing or gongs after he left. He could be a little much at times.

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Schwabl’s....Period!!
Since 1837

For more, check out Buffalo Stories: Schwabl’s Restaurant (since the world would end if we posted you know what’s)

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No, not the GD!
The Another Timbre label are putting out a 4 CD box of pieces by John Cage in August, so that gives me something to look forward to. Not long to #39 being released.
Edit: Has Vguy come up with another definition of chickenshit?

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I enjoy going over to Bobby Weir's Sweetwater in Mill Valley periodically for lunch or dinner and a show on occasion, but have been on hiatus from there since the mean ol' pandemic struck.

Sounds like they've brought in a new chef with a pretty good pedigree, even though the food was quite good before as well. Looking forward to getting back on track there with the new menu, and shows starting up again in September:

Information from an article on the sfchronicle website on July 20, titled "Marin's popular Sweetwater Music Hall is leaning into food with a cozy new restaurant".

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Hey all,

There looks like a stand alone release for GD 12/10/71 3cds or Vinyl. I already ordered on Amazon

Edit: if this turns out to be part of a bigger boxset, I’ll cancel my order. That’s the beauty of Amazon

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Thanks for the heads up, adedhead68, this looks really cool, let's hope it's part.of a bigger #1971 box set.

...has been reissued at Real Gone Music and available for preorder for anyone who may have missed out on this monster gem.

Sixtus

Hasn’t got to Amazon in the UK yet. Didn’t show up on the US site when I searched for Grateful Dead CD but found it looking in all departments searching Grateful Dead. It’s due out on 1st October. Let’s hope there’s more to come

Edit Three attempts before the above would post I had to remove the final full stop and add a couple of blank lines at the end

Edit2 Had to remove a colon after Edit to post the edit

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Yeah, I order cd & vinyl. Copy I have from archive sounds very good, but?!?!

Here's hoping for a larger more complete box and yes, easy to cancel from bezos (he's back from space)

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Awesome standalone release, but I'd personally prefer a multi-year Fox box over a Fall '71 set. Between Dave's 22 and 26 (plus bonus discs) and the Road Trips Austin release, we already have a good bit of music from this era, which isn't all that high on variety in setlist or in playing.

More new music is always a joy regardless, but the '71 set just wouldn't be my first pick.

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Any clues, gents? Checked Amazon, Googled it, etc.

This is very nearly proto-Euro '72, in a sense.

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Did not see that coming. Interesting.

Yeah. That’s our box I believe. Bezos leaked from space.

I found it on the US Amazon site by searching for Grateful Dead and then filtering for Release Date
Good luck

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The 12/10/71 show might be a 'break out' release from a Fall '71 box? The artwork looks pretty legit (similar to June '76 box). Odd choice for a box since they released plenty from this period already (RT 3.2, DaP 22,26) Anyway, looking forward to it!

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My guess was a combo of lineups from 71 for a box, but it could be a multi-year fox box . This is a good show someone recently recommended I think it was Keithfan. And it comes up easily looking under Grateful Dead Fox on Amazon. Thanks for the tip adedhead68.

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If I read their 12/10/71 playlists correctly, the second set closing NFA suite and OMSN are not included. It's definitely in the vault, it has been played at deadnet (2016 Tapers Section). This makes me suspicious that it's an official "official" release. A complete version would make an excellent release, but a lot of 71s have come out recently.

I remain skeptical until confirmed by TPTB. Remember, in the past there was an "official" Fall/Winter 71 FM box set, that turned out to be bootleg.

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On the amazon page for this preorder it says the manufacturer/label is 'Grateful Dead Production';
Shouldn't there be an 's' on the end of that? i.e. 'Grateful Dead Productions'?

Makes me think it is supposed to look like the real deal, but may not be.
Further sleuthing required.

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A copy of the CD apparently was sold on e-b-a-y two days ago.

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On October 1, Grateful Dead Productions via Warner Bros Music will release a new live set, this one from a show at the Fox Theater in St. Louis on December 10, 1971. The show is amply available on bootlegs the internet over, but this release is a nicely packaged set that will be issued on 3CD and 5LP sets. The tapes for this issue has been worked on via Plangent Processes, a process that adds life to projects and has been used on studio releases including Springsteen’s Darkness On The Edge Of Town remaster.

The 5LP package will be pressed onto 180g-weight vinyl.

Fox Theater – St. Louis, MO 12/10/71 – Grateful Dead

01 Bertha
02 Me & My Uncle
03 Mr. Charlie
04 Loser
05 Beat It On Down The Line
06 Sugaree
07 Jack Straw
08 Next Time You See Me
09 Tennessee Jed
10 El Paso
11 Big Railroad Blues
12 Casey Jones
13 Good Lovin’
14 Tuning
15 Brokedown Palace
16 Playing In The Band
17 Run Rudolph Run
18 Deal
19 Sugar Magnolia
20 Comes A Time
21 Truckin’
22 Drums
23 The Other One
24 Sittin’ On Top Of The World
25 The Other One

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The one sold on e-b-a-y two days ago was an FM recording.

Whoever bought that is going to be bummed if an official copy really does get released.

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I only see it as a pre-order which isn't charged til shipping on release date. So if this is bootleggers they are being very patient by offering up pre-orders with no collection of funds. Doesn't seem like the business model of someone trying to turn a quick buck on vinyl sets of released shows. Never seen a bootlegger offer up a set as non-charged fully refundable product but maybe thats their grift. I pre-orderered one but will probably cancel it before shipping once the official announcement comes out if its for real.

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I’m kinda concerned about the lack of an (s) on Grateful Dead Production, but FWIW, on Amazon, disc 3 lists the NFA suite and OMSN

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