Listen To The River: St. Louis '71 '72 '73 (20-CD)

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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October 29, 2021 - 5:07pm

#561

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Jeez. What happened here?....

....everyone upset.
I'm packing up and going to see Phish.
October 29, 2021 - 3:24pm

#562

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

AUD patches or chop job?

Any song that is not complete and pristine sounding could not be included in these releases, but then some people would complain about the chop job.

If you want every 73 and 74 show to be released then you should expect that they don’t all sound the same. And if there is an audio drop out that occurred at the show, you can’t blame Dave or Norman.

Most Boxes don’t sell out immediately. So if you think that Dave is scamming you, then don’t buy the Box until you read what people say about the sound quality.

I just did a China Cat -> I Know You Rider sound quality check from 3 shows, playing ALAC files from an iBasso DX120 that is connected to my stereo, and the best sound quality by far is 10-30-73, followed by 11-9-73, and then 10-19-73.
October 29, 2021 - 2:27pm

#563

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

Caveat emptor.

What was the point of that little box full of small print on the back of Dick's Picks releases? Some may think it was to warn potential purchasers that the sound quality may be less than pristine, thereby giving one the option not to purchase it. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that for products purchased online. You buy it, it arrives in your post box, you open it and read that it may not meet your expectations. What to do? Send it back? Certainly not if you live outside the US and have paid serious shipping costs, waited weeks for it to be delivered and paid various taxes and duties. If it is sourced from two track tapes there is a good chance that there will be "anomalies" here and there and if it is sourced from a cassette master it is likely to have a somewhat muddy sound lacking in top end. We all know this and accept it, otherwise we wouldn't unhesitatingly buy each release. Even so, there is a certain sense of disappointment when one encounters a jarring aud patch. That is natural. For some, this is not acceptable and they do not blindly purchase each release. Each to his own and everyone has the right to air their views on here. Complaining about perceived whiners is a futile exercise and adds nothing to the discussion.
October 29, 2021 - 1:31pm

#564

Crow Told Me

Joined:
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They're Real, and They're Spectacular

I agree that it's maybe not the best practice to describe the audio as "pristine," since that seems to imply a flawless squeaky clean perfection that you're not going to get with live concert recordings, especially when they're 50 years old. It would make for a really tedious (even more tedious?) seaside chat to have to listen to Dave list out all the anomalies and audience patches and whatnot, especially with a 20-CD set, but I suppose maybe the Powers That Be might consider listing all of that online somewhere for those who might feel that a minute or two of poor sound ruins the overall experience of 7 full concerts rendered in audio that is on the whole Pretty Darned Good.

But that's just me. I grew up listening to music on a transistor radio with one speaker that was about an inch and a half across. Then on a crappy record player where I had to put on a nickel top of the cartridge to keep it from skipping. I generally dislike any rock and roll that can be described as being in any sense "pristine" anyway. Always feels like a pair of jeans with no holes in 'em. Gimme the "warts and all" presentation every time. I doubt I would be a fan of the GOGD if I thought otherwise.

Now, I AM sorta kinda miffed that Dave doesn't give us the full poop on the new subscription series. He mentioned that 41 and 42 are already in the works, so why not tell us what they are? Some of us are not independently wealthy, and since I absolutely HAD to plop down for the vinyl Mosque thing, I'm not sure I can spend another $100+ any time soon on yet more Dead. It sure would be a lot cooler to know what I was paying more.

Perfect circle of acquaintances and friends. Drink another, coin a phrase.
October 29, 2021 - 12:54pm

#565

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Oh

And if it’s such a rip off, sell it.
What other music, especially a rip off, could you sell a year later for more than you bought it for?
Sorry, rant over, just sick of all the negativity.
October 29, 2021 - 12:52pm

#566

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Unkle Sam & Bear

I saw you comment about Bear recordings.

JUST, JUST got in the Johnny Cash at the Carousel from Owsley.

I would have thought it be TOP shelf,,, this recording is less than stellar. I've only hit a couple of tracks. But most of the sound is left channel, drums solidly in the right, Johnny behind a wall of muffle.

Glad I got for the what it is, but the recording is not what I expected.
October 29, 2021 - 12:49pm

#567

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Enough already

My god what a bunch of whiners.
You get mostly great shows and the years YOU want, then complain that a fifty year old recording made unprofessionally, and not intended for release, that has a few idiosyncrasies, is a rip off?
It’s not like their packaging really poor sounding aud tapes some stoned nut in the last row tried to record on his boom box, and then promoting it as professional, thaaaat! would be a rip off.
FFS! How bout they stop releasing anything, would that be better?

Yes Dave drinks a little too much koolaid, but he also usually mentions that these are fifty year old non professional recordings etc…is that really ripping you off? Anyone who KNOWS the dead knows every silver lining has a touch of gray! They know that there’s always something you COULD bitch about, but most folks are so glad to get all we get worts and all. If you want sterile perfection, there’s plenty of new stuff out there drenched with auto tune and other electronic wizardry that has no splices and is note perfect!
So I could go on about what I don’t like about this box for instance, like how I’m sick of Bobby playing the same five songs over and over etc, but big picture, I don’t because;
A) its a buzz kill for someone who thinks it’s the shit. So what what you think, their happy!! What’s so bad about that?
B) I don’t care because I get big weird Other ones and sweet playing sandwiches and awesome Dark Stars etc.
I would of bought this box just for disc 10 and 20. The rest I like is gravy, the stuff I don’t I can skip!
Would you have preferred that the box didn’t include the 73s instead?

If you expect the Grateful Dead to EVER produce a show that is completely perfect your in the wrong place my friend!
As some have mentioned, the trick is to concentrate on the good stuff, and there’s ALWAYS some good stuff, and forget the rest. Take what you need and leave the rest!
Like Eecktar’s rule of relativity: a little bit of somethin is better than all of nothing.

Oh, used to be folks realized that what made the Dead so special was because they weren’t perfect.
Ya know, like us: misfit power, dead freaks unite etc.
It was just part of the fun: ooopps Jerry missed that chord lol, or Bob forgot the lyrics again, or ha ha, Beatty must been burning a fat one and missed the real flip etc. This is all supposed to just be fun and entertainment!

Enough already, yer bumming us out.
October 29, 2021 - 11:18am

#568

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

Perfection

NOT something you always get with the GD, either performance-wise or recording-wise

"I think that any Dead is good Dead
so I take what I can get
yes I take what I can get"

why would someone skip a trip to heaven because of a hiccup here or there? and _I_ have OCD.

just my opinion

caaaarry on, Daaaaave's is coming
Daaave's is coming in the maaaaiiillllllll.......
October 29, 2021 - 11:02am

#569

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: A Bonus

I haven't missed a release yet, and I don't plan to start now. Still digging St. Louis.
October 29, 2021 - 10:52am

#570

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Caveat emptor

Recall that Dick’s Picks had a disclaimer.
Even though Dave doesn’t give one you should know and expect that to be the case.
Multi-tracks were made in an attempt to get commercially releasable material. Everything else is just a bonus that I am Grateful to be able to listen to.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

Hard to believe I'm the first comment

Guess I got lucky?

This is a box set to get on board with. I like the concept of "the river". Listened to 12/10/71 last night at store, very nice show, very nice recording off archive. "Official" release should be a-ok.

NOW WHERE IS DaP 39???? :-)

Plangent Processes ....

.... I am in! Dutifully ordered; grateful for the embarrassment of riches

2021 Box Set

Another big surprise from Dave. A St. Louis 71-73 combo, nobody had this on their radar screen. Just ordered mine. Never have seen a box released without a seaside chat. What the hell is going on? I am excited!

Yahoo!

You are the MAN, Dave!!!

And all the PTB.

:)))

Wonder what the box is gonna look like?

No pictures of the box!

OMG!!

So, everyone was right: it's a '71, fall '72, fall '73 box. The setlists really reflect the band's evolution, especially going from a 7-minute Playing in the Band to a 20+ minute version over the course of the year.

Beautiful the way this box will provide the pre-Euro '72 and post Euro-'72 band in all its glory.

$200? There's the sweet spot.

I believe this will take me a good deal of the w-w-w-winter to listen to, much less fully absorb.

Yet another multi-year geographic focus. Well played, Dave! Muchas gracias!

The record industry is killing me...

Is there no end to the releases this month!!!??!?!

We got the Joni, we got the Dylan, we got the dead, we got the lee morgan.

No way I can hide all this from my wife!! I can hide the mail when it comes,,, but,,,, that new book shelf to hold all this stuff I can't hide as easily!

LIstening to Birdsong from 10/17/72,,,, another one from the archive that is damn near perfect, official release should be even better!!!

At Last

Been waiting months for this announcement and it’s seven early 70’s shows which I love. Ordered immediately as I expect the 13000 will go quickly. Can’t wait for Autumn to listen to these shows. Now roll on DaP39!

Wonderful!....

....simply wonderful!

Got the Fox Box I Have Been Asking For....

....and then some. This is an instant classic.

Killer box set!

I just ordered 2, one for me and one for my brother. What a knockout!

Oooooooh....

....I like that cap a lot. SOLD!

Yippee

Of course I’ve ordered it!

OK, GD

You got my $$$ for a very appreciated release.

My first show anniversary was this past Sunday (7/18/82)...39 years later, the long, strange trip continues.

God Bless the Grateful Dead!!!

I Totally Understand Dennis!!

Dead Fox Box Ordered - check! Lee Morgan Lighthouse Box Ordered - check! Bob Dylan Bootleg Springtime In NY Ordered - check! Plus sundry Dave McMurray, Crosby, Drive-By Truckers, and Son Volt - check! Separation & Divorce - pending!

I just got notice the dog's license is up for renewal, so I can start by adding a zero on the end of that charge on the books...New cord for my tools, add a zero to the total....

Only one Cumberland?!....

....what a rip off. Cancelling my order (kidding).

wut

...this came as a surprise, however the pre-available sleuthing that was initiated yesterday has now paid off.

Thanks GD!

Sixtus

How fast will it sell out?

FAST!

Yes!

To Dave L - Thank You! Many of us (myself included) have been asking for the Fox shows in some capacity. It is clear you watch these boards. I know from the Seaside chat that these shows have been on your radar for a while. Still these shows have been heavily discussed on the boards in recent years so we are being given what we asked for. Adding the shows from 1973 is the icing on the cake.

Of course I ordered this box as soon as I saw the announcement. I can't wait to get it.

Right in the sweet spot

Count me in again. Great combo of shows here.

Thoughts

I was so excited to hear about this new boxed set. After learning about these shows, I’m even more excited. I’m glad that it spans three separate years in the Dead cannon, and the setlists look amazing. Even the shows without the Dark Stars, Other Ones, and other jam vehicles look interesting and captivating. Even more, I’m very grateful that some of this material is getting released separately as well. The 12/10/71 show is getting released on both CD and vinyl(!), and the Playin’>Drums>DS>Dew>Playin’ is getting released on vinyl too. Very smart decision. Overall, this is very exciting.

Three Comments

First, is it "Only One Cumberland?...." or, "It's Got a Cumberland!"

Second.. thank you GD/David Lemieux.. not many of you know this, but HendrixFreak has been both on a hunger strike and out on the ledge of 53rd floor of the Wells Fargo Building in Denver threatening to jump unless he gets a Fall '72 box. I am happy to report he is down off the ledge and finishing a greasy pulled pork sammy at the BBQ joint around the corner. Extra greasy...

Third.. Dennis, I am beginning to feel much sympathy for your wife.

All is good with the world again. As you were.

So I go downstairs.....

... after a morning of ordering more "stuff" from the cornucopia of musical choices being given us (or thrusted upon us), I head down to read my favorite monthly paper "The Funny Times".

There is the single panel joke. Guy at an AA meeting talking to the group.

My name is Roger. I own a plethora of music on original vinyl, eight-track, cassette and compact disc. Including most digital file formats. I was about to buy remastered rereleases on 180-gram vinyl when my wife said I needed help.

Bottom of panel labeled "Audiophiles Anonymous"

Funny, fate or cry for help?

I was thrilled when I saw…

I was thrilled when I saw this news. October 19, 1972 was the night I got on the bus. I thought the roof was gonna come off the place during the Casey Jones at the end of the first set. At that moment I knew I wanted more of this. I never missed a St. Louis show after that.

I've been waiting almost 50…

I've been waiting almost 50 years for these! These were amongst the first shows I attended (along with the Miami Rock Festival , a Kiel Auditorium show in late 1970, and Early 1971 shows at the Fox - THAT Fox show is when I got it; got on the Bus!). These shows were seminal! Thank you so much for releasing this set. I can HARDLY WAIT!

Listen to the River

Done! No problems ordering. I'm just glad I happened to be doing my morning emails when the announcement
popped up. Let the Games begin!

Well...

At least Doc gets more lovingly redone 71, Hendrix freak gets some fall 72, and congrats to the rest of y'all excited about this one....I'm getting disc 10 & 20 with big Dark Stars and fall 73. Sure I'll get hooked on the rest as is usually the case with releases I'm at first apprehensive about..
Curious how long this one will take to sell out?

Nice work

Thanks Dave and Co

oh my goodness

must be dreaming

A crowd pleaser

This box should be a real crowd pleaser. Thanks Dave and Dead.net -- everyone involved. Like the Pacific Northwest box, this regional, but, over the years releases are a nice touch. With that in mind, Dave please consider an MSG N.Y.C. September 1979 release. . .. Just sayin'. I predict it would be an instant sell out and another crowd pleaser.

I really can not wait to see the artwork, box, discs, booklet, inserts, etc..

Vinyl Me Please!

Great offerings! The "Run, Run, Rudolf" with Pigpen was on a GD Hour from the early/mid 90's. One of my required X-mas selections every year near the holiday. Cheers!

Finally able to complete my order!!

Dead.net didn't like my VPN so I turned it off while ordering.

I'm trying not to take this personally.

Yep. Ordered my copy too. …

Yep. Ordered my copy too. And i 2nd the request for an MSG box.

Good times...

Well, JimInMD has no idea that his mentioning Wells Fargo and BBQ sandwiches is clairvoyant, in that Saturday I had problems with my bank (WF) and went out for BBQ sandwiches.... All is well now. And topped off by this new box.

A rough patch has now passed and, if anyone needs a laugh, check out the avatar on the official announcement at the top of the comments page -- it's "Sri" or somebody likely not connected to DL and TPTB.

This sucker gonna sell out in a day or so, max.

What??

Only 6 versions of Beat It On Down The Line???
Count me out.

Ordered! Now trying to…

Ordered! Now trying to decide if I should grab the 12/10/71 5LP set too. Any idea if that one is Limited Edition too?

I Left St. Louis, City of Blues

Oh wow.......a true 70's Show-Me box set, and vinyl to boot.....sign me up! And I just scored tickets for Phish in Denver on Labor Day weekend!!! Not a bad days work.

Yes I'm still alive and lurking.

Be well & Be good dead folks!

KCJ

Edit: BBQ in St. Louis? Laughable...head west

Ordered!

Grabbed the hat as well!

Very excited

The acoustics of the Fox are incredible. I've seen Dylan and Neil Young solo there. I can't imagine seeing the Dead there. The Kiel Center (now called the Scott Trade Center) is awesome too, but the Fox is the best in St Louis.

I'm 2 hours SE of St Louis,…

I'm 2 hours SE of St Louis, so 90% of my concert experiences are from there. Love the Lou!

How do you order it, though?

I can't seem to get through to the pre-order page. It looks plenty good -especially the 1972 and 1973 shows, but I'm drawing blanks trying to order it at the moment.

looks great

DaveRock

Did you select the three ALAC files? They have to be selected even if you don’t intend to download them. The lower pre-order button should then work. If that isn’t the problem then I can’t help It seemed pretty seamless to me. Good Luck.

Edit certainly easier to order than submit the comment 3 attempts and I had to replace the word downlo(ads) with files

Daverock!

Try turning off your VPN. That worked for me.

Wait, what!?!

7 shows, from '71-'73, and there's only 1Wharf Rat?

Phew!

Stillwaters & Colin-thanks for your advice. It was not choosing to download the three tracks to listen to that was stopping me getting through. It does say its a required field, but as I am not going to listen to them I assumed I didn't need to fill in the field.
It would have been ironic if, after checking on here every day since Doomsday to see if a box had been announced, then seeing it had, and that it included shows from the 71-73 era - I found I didn't have the wherewithal to order it !

Now I know why I had a hankering for BBQ yesterday...

Had the Brisket Bomb along pork bellies and hush puppies yesterday for lunch - you guys and gals north of Boston, check out The Rusty Can in Byfield MA...

Looking at Compendium - a Feeling Groovy Jam, a Mind Left Body Jam, a couple of Darkstars, TOOs, Birdsongs plus a Cumberland and a Here Comes Sunshine, wow all I need is a Black Peter - woops check that box too.

Now the important part are the two vinyl ala carte's worthy???

Thankful Dead

I’m actually happy this box set is from the 70’s. I have enough Grateful Dead albums. Had it been a box set from the 60’s, 80’s or 90’s, it would have been harder to pass on.