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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
August 30, 2012

To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

DaP39 is 3-9-81

39
3-9

It all makes sense

Shipping notice received

Ever get the feeling that the infrastructure supporting the Grateful Dead is just like the band? Hurtling through space and time with a barely controlled abandon, as liable to blow up and any given second as to deliver something absolutely magical? Always teetering on that edge and just when you think its going to be pulled apart by its own internal forces, some arcane force aligns in the cosmos and the mailbox is opened to reveal the item you thought stood no chance against the vagaries of nature?

Dave's 39 announcement

I would be a happier consumer if we knew what the show was by now ... we've got shipping notices ... and we still haven't received that email saying "we're announcing 39 at such and such a time so be ready to order at 1:00 on ...," which suggests we still may be days away from an announcement which should have been made by now ... I mean, we subscribe, we find out the first two shows long in advance of their release, and here we are at the 3rd Dave's of the year, and still no announcement on just what the show is (regardless of whether it's for sale yet). So, like, please please announce the show. :-)

#39 Announcement

As a subscriber you are reasonably certain, postal services willing, to get #39 so knowing what it is is of little importance it’s coming whatever it is. Non-subscribers can’t buy it until the release day so announcing too early is unnecessary since they always sell out so don’t need much promotion. No shipping notice for me in the UK yet, then again for all the recent items being told it has been shipped just means it is going to sit in California for at least five days before it actually moves to UPS. I look forward to it arriving whatever it might be.

Dave’s Picks Priority Service

Did all subscribers to the current round of DaP 2021 receive an e-mail from the above captioned service in the last day or so, asking if there were any questions regarding your order, and is there anything else we can address for you, like some five star hotel service? How proactive!

This must be what having the AMEX Platinum Bond 007 Edition ©️™️ account feels like…

DaP 39 announce mystery

No offer of premium services, questions answered etc. Shipping announcement with tracking number not always been provided me before item arrival. Never had a tracking number provided with more than one day wait before it moves, but that came Saturday morning. Nothing showing so far today, Monday, tracking still not recognized. Fortunate: only once in years of ordering has there ever been an issue, taken care of in a timely fashion. Pavlovian salivation response, drooling under control, though we have always, iirc, had announcement several days before release. Happy to have whatever they send, when we sign up for annual subscription, we roll the dice. Just nice to know how excited to become, buzz dimension created. Maybe they wanted to see our reaction, tease, remember "In the Dark?" that's where we are.
Make it right, announce tonight!

Dave's 39 is 4/26/83 Philly Spectrum!

I just got the email announcement seconds ago.

#39 announcement

I just received my email annoncement and I am very underwhelmed by this....there's a reason I don't have many '83 shows on file...oh well

4/26/83 setlist

The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA (4/26/83)

Shakedown Street
New Minglewood Blues
They Love Each Other
Me and My Uncle
Mexicali Blues
Maybe You Know How I Feel
West L.A. Fadeaway
My Brother Esau
It Must Have Been the Roses
Let it Grow

Help on the Way
Slipknot!
Franklin's Tower
Man Smart/Woman Smarter
drums
Truckin'
Nobody's Jam
Morning Dew
Throwin' Stones
Not Fade Away

U.S. Blues

39

4/26/83
GREAT SHOW!!!!
Friday let the fun begin
PLAY DEAD LOUDER

Well, at Least They Do a Dew

It's funny: I went to more shows during the early '80s than any other period, and I always had a great time. And yet I have almost nothing from those years in my collection. Must be some reason for that. Unless there isn't. I look forward to checking this one out regardless.

Ha..

Oroborous tossed this show (Dave's 39, Spectrum '83) out on the Pick of the Day thread a little more than two weeks ago. If you haven't listened to it before, give it a try. The recording is crisp for the period and show is hot.. full of energy.

I haven't listened to the Normanized version yet, but I commented something to the effect that I thought this was a better offering than any of the previously released shows from that year. I'm looking forward to this. Great Jerry show.

Announced

There, now I'm happy, we know the show, thank you.

It doesn't have a Cumberland....

....but it's got a Shakedown! I think this is the first Dave's with one, correct?

This looks grate and Likely…

This looks grate and Likely sounds even better!

Gimme a Dew

“If the suger don’t get ya then the caffeine will”
Wait that’s the Wheel , just as long as your Wheel of Fortune doesn’t have a flat tire. Wait , that’s the Warlocks. Not Lou Reed and band but Primal Dead.

I like 1983...

but I never saw them play that year. Too busy getting married and settling down and stuff. In my mind, I was hoping for something from the Greek in '82 or '83, so I guess the old low energy powers weren't too far off. Saw 'em at the "Rectum" in '81. Lotta great fans in Philly!

Look for your supper to be good and hot

She never even put a stew bone in the pot

west LA fadeaway

West LA Fadeaway

April 26 might be the longest show of year. It was on tapers section or GD Hour a couple years ago I think

Fire up some more April 1983 Dave L.SD add filler if there's space 4.19.83 the rest of the tour is full of gems from start to finish

How about the Morning Dew summer time SPAC June 18 1983 show ?

Dane County Coliseum ? 1973 1983 combo set Dark Star Shakedown Street

HA!

Yasss, just did a good chunk of the Spring 83 tour, the rest I’d heard before including, 4/12 and 4/15 live, in on the front wall!
I’ve always been partial to 4/12 and not just because it was my first show hanging with ole Lee Esdee, but this show totally caught me by surprise! I believe it was a good sounding Healy mix so I’m very interested to see how this sounds?
So sorry, I know some folks are either bummed or will give it the ole one and done, but I think it’s one of the best from a transitional tour; relatively new PA, lights?, New Bass, and several other huge technical changes.
Hopefully it’ll sound good and some with low expectations will be surprised!

Slow Dog and Strider 😃
MIKE: good thing ya included the TM there or M might get weird...

WOOHoo, Dave’s first Shakedown! Not the GOAT, but once it gets going...

My cousin doesn't get into the Dead too much....

....he's in the group of "how many versions of (insert any song here) do you need Vince?" But....he is appreciative of Shakedown Streets. Thinking about getting an extra ala-carte and sending it to him.
I need some more Maybe You Know's.
So there!

Life in the slow lane

It does suck getting older. I slipped and fell 2 weeks ago. All weight came down on my butt and have been stiff ever since. Could not move enough to internet, so missed the St. Louis box. Hopefully find on secondary market some time in the future. Hope all are well. Will post more when I can stand sitting upright better. Where did yall learn what 39 is going to be? Hope it is good...

Gary

Sorry to hear about your fall, but the good news is that the Saint Louis Box is still available! :)

There was an e-mail sent later yesterday , announcing that DaP39 would be 04/26/83, and that orders could be placed this coming Friday.

Get well soon!

Gary

Sorry to read of your fall, and hope you make a speedy recovery. But yes, all the St Louis bundle looks to be still available-cds, vinyl, socks, tee shirts, little hats. The cds are essential, and the vinyl looks great - but I'm not so sure about the togs.

Thanks Dave and DHB

I just cant get it to load the 20 cd selection. I must be doing something wrong. Dave, got the book in that you posted 2 weeks ago. Thanks, plan to start reading soon. Cant remember if you were "Off the Road" or "Kerouac." Got both and both are new even though bought from book resellers.

Gary

I had trouble too, for a bit. I finally used the three drop-downs to select FLAC files (do I really CARE about those?--no), then had trouble realizing that I needed to click the "Pre-Order Now" button; I was looking for something more along the lines of "Add to Cart". Maybe I'm dense, but it confused me for a while . . .

Thanks again guys!

Box secured. Didn't want to miss this one. I have heard a lot of 71, but never the one in this box. Thanks to you 2 Doc! For all the 1971 write-ups so far. So glad I paid it!

Oh yeah, I like the 39 artwork. What is the girl cooking next to the grilled cheese? A veggie burrito? Dog crap?

The New Box

Gary - Sorry you took such a bad fall! Speedy recovery! I’m glad you were able to grab the new box (it is a silly ordering procedure!), and glad you got the Beat books - I recommended Carolyn Cassady’s Off The Road, so I hope you like it. Enjoy!

Hang in there Gary....

....you didn't happen to fall four flights and crack your spine did you? Because, contrary to popular belief, I don't think iodine will help.

Ok..now I remember...

as I said earlier kinda mehhh about this but I couldn't remember why I thought that on this tour...so I pulled out my CM version and some others from the tour, took a listen and yup...it's Jerry's voice, beginning to show the wear (both professionally & personally) that eventually really bummed me out...playing is really on so we shall see how ths comes out...

Re: Brewer to the rescue..

Hang in there GFar. We all have our injury ridden days and years. If I had my way.. we'd pick you up in a rainbow swirled, time traveling dirigible and float down above an outdoor 74 show of your choosing and swirl to the music floating and looking down from above..

But the best we can do, technology as it is today, is scoop up one of these classically preserved moments in history and let our minds fill in the rest.

It sucks being injured.. a big blow.. keep positive my friend.

And Nappy.. you are absolutely right. Vocals, Jerry's in general degraded in '83. I don't play the vocal fallout years often in front of others, but there are moments when he seemed to realize this made up with it with his playing. It's GD workout music for me, or a sonic substitute for cocaine, which I have not done in decades.. a pick me up. Sometimes he really fits in some outrageous riffs. Not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me, but.....

Beats

Gary-yes, I recommended "Kerouac". "Off The Road" is a great book too, though. I have fond memories of the Ann Charters book because it was my introduction to their world. About 1982 I read it. Followed by everything I could get my hands on by the man himself.
On my one and only trip to San Francisco, "City Lights" bookshop was the first port of call. I came away with "Howl", "The Holy Goof"-a biography of Neal Cassady written by someone called William Plummer - and a few dodgy looking photos of me standing outside on "Jack Kerouac Street." On the first day back in England, I found out that the Dead were playing Wembley in October. I think just one, maybe two, dates were announced at first. 1990 all this went on .

Gary and the Dog Crap

I think they're pretzels!?!

Why they are on the grill I don't know.???

Ah . . . Shakedown Street . . .

The cover depicts Shakedown Street because this release has the first Shakedown of the DaP series . . .

I catch on slowly, but then look out! :)

Dusty Hill, RIP

And I shook that man's hand just two years ago. I am stunned.

Dennis

They’re magic pretzels, you have to heat them to activate them.

Ok..now I remember...deux

giving a better listen to my CM version of the soon to be "DaP 39"...I thnk I'll dig it more than previously thought but

1...Brent's songwriting is atrocious..His song "Maybe You Know How I Feel" is him being Michael McDonald lite and
trying to turn the band into the Grateful Doobies...
2...Somebody please take Bobby's slide away from him...horrid squeaky playing on "Minglewood"
on the plus side
3...Jerry's voice warms up a bit and gets better as the show goes on...
4...the Help > Slipknot > Franklin's > Women shines

my thoughts

The pick is questionable, but I'll get it and listen to it anyway. In fact, I'll be glad to have it. Syracuse '84 or Merriweather '84 would have been much more obvious choices for the first Shakedown in the DaP series. My choice would have been 7/28/82 for the first Shake. But, that's not why I'm getting paid the big bucks. :-)

City Lights

Thought the same thing for a moment considering 39 artwork, not very convincing pretzels, more "extruded". All the best to you for a quick recovery GaryF, careful with trips and slips, no longer bullet proof youngsters. Mention of City Lights took me back to high school days, late 60s when literate friends got me into Beat stuff, Ginsburg, Kerouac and Burroughs, still have City Lights books from back then, Ferlinghetti was a co founder. Of course we read Paul Bowles translation of Mohammed Mrabet's M'hashish and his own 100 camels in the Courtyard from City Lights. Crazy time with the draft, Kent State, going down town DC for massive anti war demonstrations, the metro police rounded up protesters by bus loads and trucked them over to RFK Stadium. We arranged to host Ginsburg at my small college in 1971 for a reading of Howl. Looking back, pretty amazing, also hosted Brownie and Sonny, Canned Heat and Gary Burton for music that year. Just picked up Ry Cooder's LA Stories, also published by City Lights. Same as some, while I will enjoy DaP 39, somewhere along 1981-82, changes with the Dead, the newer songs, Jerry's voice and behavior... I left Maine for new life in Vermont, got off the bus for a while.

Dusty Hill

still in shock, rest in peace amigo, man, he had just taken time off to have hip surgery, and now, dead. The cause of death has still not been determined but I wonder if it had anything to do with his elective surgery. The same thing happened to Alvin Lee, elective surgery? not me, I will just be in pain of limp or whatever, a hospital can be a dangerous place.

Dap 39 Departed Fontana ……

3 days ago. Hasn’t resurfaced since. Ups says it’s coming on Saturday but I kind of doubt it

just got it filler from 4-25…

just got it filler from 4-25-83 space thru encore satisfaction and 4-15-83 war memorial he's gone>little star. thank you Dave and the dead for getting the delivery squared at least here in nyc.

Lucky Peps

Still no shipping notice here.

23,572 / 25,000 landed in Chicago

To add to what JJC said, disc 2 has 4-24-83 filler

Space (10:21) > Wheel (6:05) > Playing in the Band (3:14)> Goin Down the Road Feeling Bad (7:29) > Sugar Magnolia (8:52), I Cant Get No Satisfaction (6:36)

Disc 3 has 4-15-83 filler

He's Gone(12:40), Little Star (8:22)

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