Dave's Picks Vol. 39: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 4/26/83

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 7, 2021 - 8:20am

#721

icecrmcnkd

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Lemieux and Norman

What’s the scoop?
Is the HDCD logo on the releases just false advertising?

Have you considered doing a few releases of awesome sounding Plangentized reels as BluRay Audio, 24/192?
Led Zeppelin did that with the Song Remains The Same soundtrack.
August 7, 2021 - 8:16am

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1stshow70878

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Maybe You Know

Wow! First time I've heard this. I love it. Kind of Loose Lucy sounding. Will have to pay more attention to the lyrics but at first listen was most impressed with Jerry's chording like Chuck Berry. A special treat in a show where Jerry is hitting an amazing number of notes. Arpeggio maximus. How did he just keep getting faster even as his health was declining?
Cheers all!
August 7, 2021 - 8:12am

#723

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Sorry that was so long

I would have just posted the lynk if I could.

It came from a site called audio asylum.
August 7, 2021 - 8:10am

#724

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Thanks for the info

Arthur,
What you posted appears to be from VLC. If you used VLC to convert a 16 bit CD to 24 bit FLAC you just put 16 bits into a 24 bit container. That’s not the equivalent of playing a 720p DVD in a BluRay player that upconverts to 1080p.
If you used actual software that decodes HDCD please tell us what software that is.

Ziffle,
What you said is in line with what I’ve read online.

Simon,
I thought you had a CD player that let you toggle between CD and HDCD.

Since I can’t post a lynk, here’s the text.

Huge misconception regarding HDCD
Posted by Charles Hansen (M) on June 12, 2017 at 23:26:28
In Reply to: RE: MQA vs HDCD posted by Jeff Starr on June 9, 2017 at 02:03:01:

>> HDCD was a way to get 20 bit sound out of a redbook CD. <<
That is what Pacific Microsonics (PM) *claimed* for HDCD. The truth is that was simply marketing hyperbole. PM built an A/D converter designed by Keith Johnson, called the Model One. The later Model Two was similar but added support for both dual- and quad-sampling rates. There were three unique features of the PM A/D converters that comprised the HDCD system:

1) Peak Extend (PE) - was a compansion algorithm that compressed the top 9dB of audio signal during recording into the top 3dB of digital codes on the disc. When played back through an HDCD-enabled DAC or CD player, a "sub-code" that replaced some of the audio signal in the 16th bit (LSB) would instruct the DAC to expand the compressed signal and restore the full dynamic range.

2) Low-Level Extension (LLE) - was a method to automatically boost the gain as the audio signal dropped, starting when the signal level fell to -45dBFS. It was boosted in 0.5dB steps as the level fell, reaching a maximum gain shift of 4dB if the signal ever fell another -18dB to -63dBFS. Again when played back through an HDCD-equipped DAC or CD player, the instructions mixed in the LSB of the audio signal would instruct the DAC to lower the gain (and background noise) by the appropriate amount.

3) Transient Filter (TF) - was a method whereby the A/D converter measured the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave. When it passed a certain threshold, the HDCD system would select from one of two available anti-aliasing filters (ie, "digital filters"). The original plan was apparently to have a complementary process during playback, but this never materialized. My best guess is that this was because Ed Meitner (then of Museatex) had beaten PM to the punch and already patented a DAC that switched reconstruction filters (ie, "digital filters) during playback, again by sensing the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave.

The problem is that the claimed 20 bits of resolution is a horribly distorted representation of the truth.. It was one of the greatest marketing misrepresentations in the history of high-end audio. In actuality, both PE and LLE could be *optionally* applied by the mastering engineer, and the instruction manual warned that there were specific reasons for not doing so on certain types of music. Also there never was any way to decode for the TF feature (which was always engaged). However every single CD made with a PM A/D converter would light up the mandatory "HDCD" logo light on a licensed DAC - even when there was no decoding of the disc even possible - apparently in an attempt to scare people into purchasing a new CD player or DAC that had HDCD decoding (and from which PM received royalty payments).

The truth is that PE (*if* engaged by the mastering engineer) could only ever provide a maximum dynamic range increase of 6dB - and even then only if the recorded signal reached 0dBFS. In the very extreme case, this only adds 1 bit of resolution, to 17 bits.

The truth about LLE is even more underwhelming. *If* the mastering engineer chose to engage it, it only became active when the audio signal dropped below -45dBFS. I have analyzed scores of HDCD discs using the tools available in Foobar. For popular music LLE was *only* ever engaged during song fadeouts. It turns out that -45dBFS is an extremely low level, nearly 8 bits below the maximum. Even with classical music recorded using LLE, the gain-shifting only activates infrequently - specifically during very quiet passages when only 1 or 2 instruments are playing. I have never seen an HDCD track ever use the full 4dB range of level shifting, as the signal level would have to fall to -63dBFS, nearly 11 bits below the maximum. The *theoretical* maximum gain shift of 4dB amounts to about another 0.6 bits of dynamic range.

If *both* features were engaged by the mastering engineer, and everything completely optimized in an extremely unlikely real-world scenario, the most that HDCD could boost the dynamic range would be 1.6 bits to 17.6 bits. In more realistic situations, engaging both features would increase the effective bit depth between 0 and roughly 1.2 bits with classical music, and between 0 and roughly 0.9 bits with popular music.

At this date we have all had chances to hear the differences between 44/16 files and 44/24 files. The most common example was the 2009 remaster of The Beatles box set. The CDs were dithered down to 16 bits, while the "green apple" thumb drive contained the original 44/24 files (reduced from the 192/24 tape transfers made with Prism A/D converters). Yes there is a difference in sound, but it is hardly "jaw-dropping" or "transformational". So if adding 8 true bits of resolution only improves the sound slightly, one wonders how much improvement would be heard with only 1 extra bit of resolution - *if* the HDCD features were even engaged by the mastering engineer.

So where did PM come up with the "20 bits of resolution" claim? Simple - they added the extra bits as the A/D converter also had optional dither algorithms. This is where it gets weird. Prior to the PM converters, by far the most common alternative was the Sony PCM-1610. While it did not have any dither built into that converter, the incoming audio signal was always dithered anyway - by the tape hiss present on the analog tape that was being transferred to digital. There is no tape recorder on the planet that has an unweighted S/N ratio greater than 96dB, which is what would be required to create the need for external dither to be added.

The next question is why was HDCD so enthusiastically received by the audio press and many mastering studios? Again the answer is quite simple - it sounded far better than the competing Sony unit. *Not* because of the HDCD features but simply because it was designed to a far higher "audiophile" standard by Keith Johnson, an extremely talented designer.

The A/D converter is simply one box in the chain between the recording microphone and the playback speaker. We have all heard the difference made by replacing (say) a cheap preamplifier made with very old, low cost op-amps, electrolytic coupling capacitors, and low quality parts throughout with a mega-buck preamplifier made by one of the top designers on the planet using fully discrete circuitry, state-of-the art parts throughout, and designed for the absolute maximum performance.

A change like this can completely transform the sound of a home stereo system. And a similar change to the A/D converter can completely transform the sound quality of a CD.

That is the real story of HDCD - a superior sounding product that was sold through deliberately misleading marketing strategies and false comparison setups. For example at the 1997 CES, PM gave out free CDs with "comparison" tracks purporting to show the differences made by HDCD processing. The natural assumption was that the tracks were made with the same converter and simply engaging and disengaging the HDCD processing. But no, instead PM made three tracks with the PM A/D converter and three "comparison" tracks with a Sony PCM-1610 converter.

In addition HDCD was dreamed up to be a money-making machine. The converters were sold to the studios for $20,000 each (I'm unsure if there were licensing costs there.) On the playback side each manufacturer had to pay a $5,000 licensing fee up front (later raised to $10,000), plus purchase a special decoding IC from PM. The IC was priced artificially high so as to constitute an easy-to-track royalty payment for each player sold.

It fooled a lot of people for a long time. There were two separate events that led to the demise of HDCD. The first was that only a couple of years after HDCD was available to the public, both DVD-Audio and SACD offered true high-resolution formats, obviating the need to "hop up" the out-of-date Redbook CD format (by only a single bit of actual resolution). The second was that PM had paid roughly $500,000 to develop their custom decoding IC chip. It was made on a 600 micron process. (By comparison we are now down to the 12 to 16 micron range with semiconductor processes.) By 2002 or so that technology was so out of date that the fabrication house was dismantling the line and halted production. It would have cost another $500,000 to make a new version. There was an aborted attempt to fabricate it as a pre-programmed Motorola (?) DSP chip, but apparently there was only one sample batch ever made before PM sold the entire thing to Microsoft, where it died off fairly quickly.

The only positive note to the whole story is that there are still a good number of mastering houses that still use the PM A/D converters. Even though the Model Two is over 15 years old, there are only a handful of other brands that can compete with it sonically. It is still one of the best sounding A/D converters ever made, just as the Marantz 9 was one of the best sounding power amplifiers ever made. Good sound never goes out of fashion.

As far as any similarities between the 20-year old story of HDCD and the current story of MQA, I will leave that up to the reader to judge.

As always, strictly my own opinions and not necessarily those of my employer or guru.

EDIT: The above post was dashed off quickly and likely contains some minor errors. For example the units used in the discussion of semiconductor fabrication should have been "nanometers" and not "microns". Nevertheless I believe the overall arch is historically accurate. Corrections are highly welcomed.
August 7, 2021 - 7:43am

#725

Dennis

Joined:
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That Mike and Ornette

Saw Ornette at Town Hall in NYC when he was doing the Song X tour with Methany.

Didn't understand one bit of it!!!
August 7, 2021 - 6:54am

#726

Dogon

Joined:
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Dennis, Joe and Lee

I dont think you will be disapointed when it arrives.
There is a rumour that a Lee Morgan 60s set is in the works, unfortunately you have missed the Hank Mobley 60s set, but keep your eyes open, it might turn up used, if it does, pounce!
Also in Japan a whole slew of Lee Morgan reissues are being released in conjunction with the Live at the Lighthouse box.
CD Japan is your friend, and if you were to order from them you will be surprised, after dealing with all the highs and lows of dealing with Deadnet, of the smoothness and efficiency of the transaction!
I always pay for shipment via DHL, a bit more expensive, but 2, max 3 days delivery from Tokyo to my door in Sweden.
August 7, 2021 - 4:28am

#727

ArthurDent

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Encoding Info

Artist Grateful Dead
Title Let It Grow
Album 1983-04-26 - Dave's Picks Vol. 39 - The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
Track 10/10
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Year 1983
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August 7, 2021 - 2:07am

#728

Forensicdoceleven

Joined:
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Only the guy who isn't rowing has time to rock the boat………….

50 years ago today……

August 7, 1971
Golden Hall, San Diego, California

Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-El Paso-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-Mama Tried-Bertha-Big Boss Man- Promised Land-Hard to Handle-Cumberland Blues Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-China Cat Sunflower-I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Sugar-Magnolia-Sing Me Back Home-Me & My Uncle-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad>jam>Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Seth Hollander, Oxford 88, Mr_Heartbreak, gcdeadhead, Shafts Of Lavender, Gratefulpeds, Gbow22, frampton, jpdonn1, chilly1214, and deadyettipa, because nothing fixes a thing so intensely in the memory as the wish to forget it…..

Released as part of Dick’s Picks 35 in 2005, one of the so-called “houseboat tapes”, somewhat of a revelation at the time, as not all summer 71 shows circulated. Not the greatest show but I will always take whatever 71 is officially released!!

There’s not a “big jam”---although there is an interesting but short jam between GDTRFB and Johnny B Goode---but it’s OK. What I call “the three R’s of live Dead”----rockin’, rowdy, and raucous!! Needless to say, worth a listen!!!

Rock on!!

Doc
We are imprisoned in the realm of life, like a sailor on his tiny boat, on an infinite ocean……
August 7, 2021 - 12:11am

#729

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

HDCD...

I have no idea if HDCD encoded discs sound better. I only have one CD player and that has no possibility to turn the HDCD on or off, so making a comparison is not possible. My player, like most, has the DAC built in. A comparison using my player and another with a different DAC and no HDCD would reveal the differences between the DACs as well as any differences with HDCD on or off, making such a comparison pointless. I can only read discussions on this by others, such as Ziffle, who are (or at least claim to be) better informed than me on the subject. I don't lose sleep over this as there is nothing I can do about it- I just put CDs in the player, hit 'Play' and the magic begins.
August 6, 2021 - 9:09pm

#730

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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Satisfaction

Wharf - I believe you are referring to the 8/8/82 Alpine Valley show. The whole show is awesome stuff.

John Perry Barlow

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Grateful Dead Garcia Birthday shows

The Grateful Dead played 4 times on Garcia's birthday : 8/1/67 Toronto, 8/1/73 New Jersey, 8/1/82 Oklahoma, and. 8/1/94 Michigan

I attended 8-1-94

Floor seats through mail order, aisle seats Phil side, approximately along the center court line.

The jam from Space into Watchtower was cool and had a good light show.

A set 2 SBD was in circulation pretty quickly but Set 1 was noticeably absent, and I think it still hasn’t surfaced.
SBD’s from 7-31-94 also surfaced pretty quickly, although I think that they were recorded from the monitor mix.

SBD’s from The Palace the following year, 6-27,28-95 also never surfaced.
From listening to the AUD recordings those shows could potentially be official releases, and maybe were kept out of circulation. There’s some good stuff there, notably the transition from Victim to Foolish.

Happy Birthday Jerry!!!

May The Spirit>

Of Jerry commune with us all today. I am partial mainly, to good shows, and in my opinion, this is a real good show. It’s nowhere near my ‘67-‘74 preference, but it’s a fun listen, and it’s well played. I don’t live all of Dave’s Picks(or even Dick’s Picks for that matter), but I love most of them, and this for me is a keeper. Well, of course they’re ALL keepers. I’m enjoying a rainy day in mid-Atlantic region, the Dead just makes it even more enjoyable.
I sure wish I could figure out which part of grammar Dead Net is objecting to!! Sheesh.

Music is the Best!!

Meadowlands 11/10/85

Half Step-Rider 2nd set opener. My 2nd show as a 15 yr. old, lived in DE, parents let me take charted bus with juniors/seniors, keg in the back, smoking all around, with ticket to boot, 1st level, midway, Jerry's side. I have the fondest memories for my casual indoctrination into the Dead from older kids, it was so natural back then.

I was already long hair, ear pierced, wearing deer shin moccasins, smoking, listening to usual stoner music with AC/DC, Sabbath, Zeppelin,Floyd, etc. One day I'm cutting class out back the wall at Mt. Pleasant High when this older kid, I shit you not his name was Casey Jones, his main bud was Joe Kelly if anyone went to Mt, asks me I'd been to a Dead show. Goes on to explain how it's right outta what we were doing and the 60's, but alive here and now. I took a chance after getting tapes from him and others, and my parents took me to my first show 6/28/85. Like I mentioned earlier getting turned on to the Dead was just a natural progression back then.

Just popped on #39, Phil is out the gates!

@SWR

Well at least THEY got it to Morrow, GA. Hopefully you'll get it to-morrow, too! :-)

Geez, an '83 show? (RIGHT! An '83 Show!!! THANKS DAVE!!!)

It's not that I was expecting 'not to like' an '83 release, but I did feel the need to set my expectations. I was sure it would be a good 'solid' show, but I was NOT expecting the brilliance of Dave's Picks 39. WOW! To say this show is 'exceptional' is no understatement. The performance is truly fantastic & the recording is sublime. Shakedown & its funky goodness is worth the price of admission all by itself. Play it, play it again. Even though this is a soundboard (of the finest sense) you can hear the Philly crowd in between tracks going apeshit from the 1st note all the way through US Blues. There's no doubt that every bobbing & spinning head was wearing their grins ear to ear - & now so am I !!! This entire show rocks, the band is tight, & the ballanced soundscape nothing short of magnificent. Go '83! Go Dave's Picks!

So glad..

Y’all are getting yours and enjoying them!
Mine is in Denver, so now it needs to go all the way back across the state to GJ, (passing within a mile and a half of our house in route), then halfway across state to back here. Problem is I-70s been closed more than open lately through Glenwood Canyon due to mud slides associated with the big Grizzly Creek fire from last year. That means a long 2 lane detour of many extra miles and several hours to cover the usually less than an hour (from detour start/finish points) so guessing it might take a couple extra days. Tracking says late Tuesday but we won’t get our hopes up. Wednesday would be good for “batch nite” lol.

FIRST SHAKEDOWN: 3/13/81, not the GOAT, but no slouch either.

8/1/94: we were at those shows, sounds like we were pretty close to you on the floor Conekid!
Agree, those were good shows, especially for the times. Made up for the poor experience at Vermont.
Fun camping stories after 7/31 with skunks in the camp and my cousin and I unintentionally waking up the whole damn place lol.

Sounds like this is a winner....

....judging by early recipients. My delivery date got bumped up a day. Arriving manana.
Happy Birthday Jerry. When I'm down, your playing never fails to cheer me up.
Miss you every day.
I feel like hearing a Here Comes Sunshine. Brb.
Ooh look! Dave's 38 Bonus disc happens to have one!

So 33 years ago this weekend

was a fine time with David Lindley, Los Lobos & The Grateful Dead at Laguna Seca....what a great weekend we had...the following week I moved to Grand Canyon National Park where I pretty much have lived since then....

supposedly mine arrives

tommorow....

Damn, sorry...

Almost forgot, the thing I seem to do best now, ahem. Lol
A big radio hello out there to our ole buddy Skulltrip!
Glad to see you sir! We were getting worried about ya!

Great “stubborn” on a cellular level comment!
Makes me think of Anthony Hopkins in Legends of the fall “SCREW EM!!”
Be well amigo!

Laguna Seca '88 was indeed....

....a great time nappyrags. Although we missed the 29th. Oh well. At least we caught that Midnight Hour encore on Sunday Funday. And, for some reason, I can hear that Gentlemen Start Your Engines like it was yesterday.

Dave's Picks Series / Possible Digital Downloads

I wish there was a Digital Download option for Dave's Picks as it would be nice, like the Box Sets.
(16-44 / 24-96/192) resolution at the fingertips. No running out of copies and can go as far back as necessary to keep feeding our head(s) and for those that totally missed out. More revenue I would think?
Keep the CD "option" for those who prefer, but allow digital download options if ppl missed out.
Would be a great "option".

3 28 81

My solo MUATM

Essen on dvd

Sound is great!!!
Visuals!!!
OCD on my part? You betcha! However, I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong.

What a great show.

There has been a lot of Shakedown Street talk here...check out the one from this show.

Pete fookn Townshend...

morrow

/m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBFmrcWxtQ0

Laguna

another California dreamin looking kinda place I wish I’d made, but, unfortunately not...
88 line up looks sweet!
I have a tape from there? Not sure the year, but think 88, that was good? Hmmmmm?
synapses not connecting...

3/28/81: always loved this one, yaasss good Shakedown but kinda unusual if I recall?
Different location? Yeah, this was out all over the place, decent vids (for the times) and audio. Had a buddy who taped onto reel off the radio while stationed there. One of my early collection jewels.

Colorado Dead

A lot of you freaks live here in my state. I'm just sayin'. The fire smoke sucks, but other than that this is pretty good living.

Don't any of you other motherfuckers even think of moving here, permanently, for one second. Have your weekend at Red Rocks and Garden Of The Gods, then go back home. Ski Telluride, buy your T-shirt, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

"Welcome to Colorado! We're full. Now get the fuck out of here."

\m/

Ha..

I think I might going to Montana soon...

Colorado?

Ledded - sounds like you own it! Or think you do.

Mr. Roger's Rocky Mountain Oysters

Don't worry, doesn't sound like its big enough for the two of us. Sheesh, I'd hate to ask for a cup of sugar. You can't even go to the ocean for real oysters. :P I agree, this release has a plethora of surprises and sounds 👌 for what I was expecting.

Plangent

Dave mentioned they used Plangent for this release. Direwulf, can you verify that?

Unfortunately, mine hasn't shipped yet so I have no idea when it will arrive.

And Dave thought this would sell out in less than two hours?? Not sure when it will sell out.

Last Settler Syndrome

I totally get Ledded's remarks in warning off would-be interlopers to Colorado. We call it the "last settler syndrome". Once you've escaped megalopolis, it's "close and lock the gate!" My wife and I live in the mountains of west Texas, 9.6 miles off pavement on a 4WD ranch road. For the first 8 years there wasn't anyone within earshot except for an occasional lost pickup grinding around in low gear – our ears would prick up and we'd wonder who'd dared to violate our tranquility. Now we grudgingly have a "neighbor" about a half mile away. Getting claustrophobic around here. Onward.

My Dave's 39 should arrive in town by tomorrow. The story of its first of only three "Little Stars" is cool:
web.archive...
org/web/20030817114106/(insert* here).elizabundledee.com/littlestar.htm
* h t t p : / / w w w (without spaces)

Umm yeah

off topic,,, what else

My paycheck last week was only 800 bucks for two weeks, but,,,,, I just bought the Mosaic Records set - "The Savory Collection"

Mosaic Records presents “The Savory Collection” – six CDs with 108 tracks locked away for more than 70 years and finally available on CD for the very first time anywhere. The recordings are from the personal collection of Bill Savory, a quirky and secretive studio engineer in New York whose day job in the late 1930s and early 1940s was transcribing radio broadcasts for foreign distribution, and whose nighttime passion was turning on the disc recorders to pull in and preserve what was happening in the clubs of New York City and other cities.

Does this sound good or what?? This is early Deadhead shit, bootlegs from the 30's/40's!!!

Had to Have!!!

Enjoy

No room at the inn

But plenty of manger space available...

Cue that Eagles song The Last Resort...

Led may be agro, but he’s not wrong!
Though I believe he lives in or around Denver, which IS a huge metropolitan area, so not sure why he’s upset now?
It’s been a cluster there for a long time...although now that half of Cali, Texas, and Florida have moved here it’s outta control there too.
Meanwhile, out in the boonies, the population in our town has more than tripled in the last twenty years.
Fucking town council people never met a developer they didn’t like, WHORES!
The point of moving so far away was to get away from all that.
I have a sticker that looks like the state license plate that reads “save an Elk, shoot a developer”
When we moved here 25 years ago, you could get on I70 and go hundred and see few cars, or cops.
Now, I70 is like a frickin parking lot! SL is 75 (so WE drive 80-85) but all the interlopers drive 60 in the left lane.
And forget about when it snows as most of them come from warmer climates. I70 shuts down constantly now, which means you can’t get ANYWHERE, usually because of some lost sailor who has no business driving up here!
Yes I am aware of the irony. Coming here we’ve contributed to the problem, be we’ve fought overdevelopment amap.
The vast majority of folks moving here now are not doing so for the reasons we did, which was in tune with the way it was.
We’ve been thinking it’s time to cash in and go somewhere cheap to die.
Somewhere nobody wants to live, to get some land cheap, with little or no taxes, but with a college/hospital somewhat near by...
Of course many of those places are full of angry rednecks, not freaks...
All we want is a quiet place to lay our heads and listen to the River sing sweet songs!

Got mine - a few thoughts

Got mine. Sounds great for an '83 (in terms of audio quality, from a cassette master). This is actually from the same tour as my first show (4/16/83 w/ Stills), so its nice to hear something from my introductory era. Some initial thoughts:
- OVERALL a great show - Wow! Phil is big in the mix, unlike many 80's soundboards. Dick is right - this show pops with energy from beginning to end.
- Shakedown is long and well-jammed, and has Brent very prominent in the mix and clearly not on the Hammond B3 - using a electronic 80's tone instead - kinda distracting, but hey, you have to experiment. He uses varying organ voicings for the next few songs.
- Minglewood Blues.... Jerry rips, and this version smokes. My brother and I use to joke that during Bobby's slide solos Jerry was cringing thinking "Oh god, my solo after this better be good!" Bewildering. "These Philly phillies start looking good..."
- Maybe You Know - They actually played this at my first show the previous week, 4/16/83. It was only played 6 times total.... I don't remember it at all, until I heard this version and looked at the setlist from my show.
- My Brother Esau is only a month old, and is without the quirky intro riff which is fine since it was often clumsy. This is GREAT version of one of my favorite Bobby songs. Very chill and understated, at about 3/4 regular volume and slower pace, without the overwrought bombast that can sometimes hamper other versions. Almost sounds like they're just casually rehearsing it and running through the changes in some parts, but it totally works.
- Let It Grow rips!! As do many version from this era. Always loved this 1st set jam.
- Help On the Way starts with us overhearing Bobby telling the drummers "After Women are smarter you guys go RIGHT into the drum solo!" Then you hear Jerry clarify the whole pre-drum setlist, Mickey confirms the setlist back to Jerry ("Got it!") and they're off! Cool banter. GREAT clear version of Help - Jerry's voice sounds great for '83, and the guitar work is generally crisp and confident, which is not always the case for this song in '83.
- Truckin' ending jam has great energy (Phil seems to trigger a breaker on the big Phil-bomb part, as his bass tone suddenly hiccups) but they disappointingly end it just as it gets interesting. After the crescendo, It almost immediately dissolves into brief "Nobody's Fault" and "Spoonful" teases before they bail out completely. Would have loved them to stretch it out a little longer. The mid-late 80's seem to have many truncated versions of otherwise heavily jammed songs (especially '87).
- Morning Dew - Like going to church. Apocalyptic Phil bombs, majestic guitar. Thanks Jerry.
- Throwing Stones> Not Fade Away - This is the early era of this pairing, before it was maligned as "Throw Away" for being overused.... But for many in that Philly audience, it was the first time they'd ever heard this perfect pairing with the audience chant at the end. You can hear and feel the magic in the air.

Happy Camper!

Love the artwork on this release! All the little Philly references (like the pretzels and the guy up front with the cheesesteak to name two,) are cool. I really like this artist - she might be my favorite of the series so far!

In terms of the show, I haven't had a proper listen, but from what I have heard, it sounds great! Only took 8-some years and 38 volumes to get a Shakedown Street.

Finally, I am pleased to see such positive energy surrounding this release. Part of me was expecting to log on and find a lot of less-than-enthusiastic comments. Perhaps the nay-sayers are playing it cool to allow those of us excited about it to have a moment in the sun.

Hope all is well! Continue to stay safe out there!

Peace

Colorado, you can keep it!

Colorado - The New Jersey of the West

Lots of assholes with Green Plates showing up in New Mexico, just sayin’

Colorado

Colorado sounds like where everyone escaping the coasts and bringing their bullshit with them should go. Montana? We're full up, we're a bunch of angry rednecks, and many of us aren't vaxing for a disease with a 99% survival rate. Colorado, that's where you want to go.

Relocating....

....I have relatives in Idaho. They said they're full too lol.
Philly out for delivery.

Crowded around here

You should get a load of all the newbies in Seattle!!! "Go home, tech bro"

Grump grump grump...

I am beyond certain the indigenous populations living and deceased are laughing themselves silly over modern complaints of "too many aholes moving here".

Awesome

When your lost in the rain, in Montana, and it’s Easter time too.
And your gravity fails you and negativity won’t pull ya through...

Well, hell then come on Deadnet, usually a happy place, and spew hate!

Welcome back! We missed ya.

Pilgrims , Romans, Countrymen

“Be of good heart”

I don't post here often but…

I don't post here often but lurk a lot. This conversation sucks. I guess asshole is a universal language.

Skulltrip, good to hear from you!

Keep on truckin', man.

Be kind. Rewind.

#5216 Has Landed

in Santa Barbara. I've been warming up for this with Woostah '83 from Thirty Trips.
The real estate market is too hot to handle here, as well.

Whining boy blues.

I can understand why people consider that America is too full. The population density is 88 people per square mile. That may seem like a lot to you, but here in the Netherlands we have a population density of 1183 people per square mile. Please don't get the idea that this density is artificially high due to the fact the there are mega cities here. The largest city has around 742000 inhabitants. Bearing this in mind, I don't see how one can justify any statement that suggests that the state you live in is full. Maybe it would be a good idea to move to Mongolia. Big sky country and endless empty grasslands where your nearest neighbours could be way over the horizon. What more could one wish for? Possibly a sense of perspective is lacking here.

Clarification

I apologize to all, I was just “whining” about the irresponsible overdevelopment by greedy developers that is ruing my state as well as others. Then shit git weird...
Mongolia sounds kinda nice!

Movement

Throughout history humans have been moving from one place to another

DP 39 Whew

Since I commonly gripe about some of the mediocre offerings, it's only right to extend a compliment when appropriate. DP 39 is really good. I was not anticipating a show from 1983 would have this much energy. Pleasantly surprised. Thanks.

OROBOROUS - Come Back! We Love You!!

My #39 is being delivered today. Surprised it hasn't sold out.

I completely identify with the irresponsible developer stuff.

Born and raised in Idaho.

Haven't Got Mine Yet

..it takes mail a bit longer to arrive here in East Central Mongolia.. but I am a recent fan to this show. Agree with the high energy and good recording (for the era) comments. Sometimes you need some high energy, jazzercise workout Grateful Dead. This fits that bill, works as prescribed.

Mosaic-Dennis - sounds good to me!

I only have one box set issued by Mosaic, and that is The Complete Dean Benedetti Recordings. A 7cd box set featuring just the solos played by Charlie Parker during a number of live dates in the 1940s. Each track starts with a blitz of a Parker solo, and ends abruptly when the solo ends. All lovingly recorded by Dean Benedetti using primitive recording techniques from wherever he could hook up in the club Parker was playing in

There is an essay on Dean in the So Many Roads box set, called The Children of Dean Benedetti, a self explanatory reference to taping Deadheads. The box set is a true work of devotion, with great essays and photos.

No. 1,034 ...

Is in da house...ok we shall see what we shall see

Perhaps today

If you dont have your 39 yet, give a listen to Captain Beefheart and the magic band's Strictly Personal. It'll blow your funky mind.

"Strawberry caterpillar!!!"

moving

did that 13 years ago, moved up from Florida to North Carolina mountains. Used to be quite nice, low noise, didn't hear a siren or cop for weeks at a time, then started to hear one weekly or so, then more, more till daily now. The natives are a bit well, country or mountain, but basically harmless, except for the rednecks, they have weapons and don't mind using them. Mountain William (hillbilly) all the way.
Everyone from Florida is following our lead and moving up here, and they don't know how to drive on these mountain roads. Way too much traffic now and no improvements to the roads, so, you get a lot of parking lots too, or very slow moving lanes. Used to be, you could fly around here, not any more.
The weather is good, not too hot in the summer and not too cold in the winter, but we still will get an occasional snow in the winter, 4 distinct seasons that you can pretty much set your watch to, like on the Autumn equinox, the weather will change that day, believe it or not.
Soon, Florida will be up here, the weather has all ready changed from what it was when we first moved here, it's unsettling to think about it that one day, it could be just as hot here in these mountains as it was in Florida, but it seems to be happening.
So, to sum it all up, where is the perfect place? No, it's not here in the mountains, thanks for looking, now go home. Ha, go to captcha and it says, pick out the mountains

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