Listen To The River: St. Louis '71 '72 '73 (20-CD)

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July 21, 2021 - 6:32am

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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July 24, 2021 - 3:10pm

#1411

Angry Jack Straw

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Not everybody can win gold

Awarding two gold medals for ties has happened a few times in the Olympics, but not very often. I believe the last time was in 2002 in figure skating, which is not really a sport anyway. More of an exhibition. Judges vote on who they like the most, not on something measurable like who is the fastest or scores the most points. Kinda like these box sets.

That being said, FW69 and E72 get the dual gold. A distant third with the bronze is PNW.

In fairness, 76, Giants stadium, RFK and both 90s boxes were eliminated during the Olympic trials (ie: not purchased).

The “Eddie the Eagle” award goes to the first May 77 box based on effort, determination and for exceeding all expectations.

The “Lindsey Jacobellis” award goes to the Warlocks for coming in with high expectations, but ultimately crashing and burning.

I suspect this new box will displace PNW.

And yes, the setlist does appear to be out of order. And I am O.K. with it. Rather that than displacing a big jam.
July 24, 2021 - 2:49pm

#1412

Dennis

Joined:
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Zacherle ----

---- I have the original vinyl!!!

I think the new box will be just like the Spring 90 boxes. Easy to make (kinda), easier than a magic salmon box, But the fit on shelves well. Just took down one of the 90 boxes to look, I never do. Really was nicely packaged for a "just a box".

Do you think the dead were the driving force for these "creative boxes"? Was E72 the first of it's kind? If not what others names produced great boxes? Sinatra? The Pelvis? Duke?

Still no word on 39,,, anxious over getting the glass!
July 24, 2021 - 2:03pm

#1413

proudfoot

Joined:
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Zacherle 2/14/70

Something like "I was supposed to arrive in a casket, but the damn thing broke."

"Sorry folks, the vampire coffin is in the shop" (John Candy voice in Vacation)
July 24, 2021 - 1:15pm

#1414

nitecat

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OMG

OMG I can't wait this looks awesome!
July 24, 2021 - 12:46pm

#1415

carlo13

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Dwolf

I thought the broken vampire casket analogy was funny. I have noticed that the drops, skips and patches have dwindled over time. Just like a broken vampire coffin, shit happens.
July 24, 2021 - 11:37am

#1416

twoswans

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Box Set size

In the product description it states that the set includes an eighty four page hardcover book , so I’m guessing that this set will be on the larger side. For me personally, I actually buy these for the music and will take whatever size box they decide on.
July 24, 2021 - 11:28am

#1417

Jason Wilder

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Thanks.

My brain was off. Thinking too numerically? Yeesh. Boo on me!
July 24, 2021 - 11:26am

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Jason Wilder

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Out of order 9n final show?

Does it seem to anyone else the songs on the final show disc are out of order? I am not familiar with the shows, but no way they end on WRS, right?

The end has to be the GDTRFB>Johnny B Goode, Saturday Night on disc 19? Right?

Not a big fan of taking things out of order. Especially on a box set. I mean, when you are trying to make it fit on a 3 disc release, OK. But 20?
July 24, 2021 - 11:05am

#1419

daverock

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Open the box or save the money?

My favourite box is Europe 72, hands down. I missed Fillmore West 1969, as I may have mentioned before - that is the other other undisputed champion in the box set category.

Different perspectives on what makes a good box, and clearly no right or wrong. Personally, I prefer the 1968-1974 period, so I am happier with releases from those years, even if they aren't always premium sound quality. I like the PNW box - and the 1974 shows especially. In fact, I like the main offender sound wise-5/19/74, so much that I bought it on vinyl, too. The 1976 box may have better sound quality, but as it isn't a favourite year, I didn't get that one.

Interesting with boxes that some shows take longer to sink in with me than if they had been released individually. A obvious point perhaps. This year, in the 78 box, the middle shows sounded much much better than I remembered them. I have always considered the opening show and the2 Red Rocks ones to be the main ones-but those middle ones aren't too shabby either. And 5/7/77 often slips under the radar in its box. Yet its clearly one of the best of the year.
July 24, 2021 - 11:01am

#1420

Colin Gould

Joined:
September 15, 2009

TTATS

Jason Thirty Trips Around The Sun

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

CD Case Size?

hello, i'm sure this has been brought up before, but does anyone know if the CD cases for this box set will be standard size or the larger kind they do for some of the box sets (a man has to plan out his bookshelf layout you know).

Box size

Not yet known, but at 20 cds, it is the largest box other than 30 Trips since Spring '90 The Other One, and only one more cd than PacNW '73-74 but a whole extra show, which is in a massive box, but as a design aesthetic, and it was a much more attractive box than Spring '90 Either One. The picture we've all seen reminds me of Get Shown the Light. Kinda hoping not. I hope they do the digipaks for the shows like those Spring '90s and PacNW. I love the size of July '78 and June '76, but not the packaging for the cds. For 7 shows, I'm expecting a hefty box, and I'll rearrange things to make room. Which is also the solution to the future problem posed by my attainment of a Europe '72 steamer trunk, but with the rest of those lotto winnings, my Dead collection may just get its own room.

Old newbie

Fulda - hello to you, too ! You have joined at a stellar time, and hopefully have the box on order. Though of course, its not compulsory. I agree with Alvarhanso-this is a weighty release, and needs a weighty box to house it in. Nothing flimsy or tricky.

CD cases

Hopefully they come in the digipacks like PNW. Not a fan of cardboard sleeve cases.

Listening Party

Quite an interesting mix! Keith is waaaaay up there in the mix, as is Bob, especially on Black-Throated. Jerry scratches above the surface on his solos, but he is not nearly as prominent as we're used to in 1972 tapes, especially ones recorded by Bear. But he's also now getting familiar with recording that piano. But a very interesting sound from these snippets. Comes a Time is gorgeous, and Jerry's lead is back out front. This is the box I have been wanting since PacNW, I just didn't know it. Man, this Comes a Time is really pumping! Didn't recall it kicking like that on previous listens, but I admit mainly going back to that Playing> Dark Star> Dew> Playing segment more than anything. And very interesting vocal mixing by Bear on Jack Straw. Phil doing some of those Veneta slides. Phil very prominent on this 10/19 track, very much akin to Bear's mixing of 11/18/72 Hofheinz, and Phil does not disappoint.

We're now inside two weeks! Are we expecting shipping by 10/1? What a foolish question, but hopefully soon after.

Ok....time for me to start getting pumped for this box....

....hope y'all are staying safe and sound.

AL

I agree on the bobby and keith on BTW. Comes a time is as gorgeous as a beautiful blond deadhead chick. The tinkling of Keith and the sweet sound of jerry on comes a time is soothing.

Box Size

Allow me to pontificate on the box size. In the description tab it specifically says "the collection comes in a slipcase." a slipcase is "a protective box with one open end or more," clearly this suggests to me it will be like Veneta, July 1978, or June 1976. I very much doubt the CD's will be in a digipack.

You're welcome.

More box size thoughts

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about this. I think it's going to be similar in form to the Get Shown The Light All-Music edition, except slightly larger (10 x 10 inches instead of 9 x 9) with three disc folios, one for each year*; the larger dimensions would be necessary so that each page of each folio can hold two discs instead of one.

* or maybe two folios for 1972, since otherwise we would be looking at a 5-panel folio.

slipcase

Check out the August 2021 Grateful Dead Bulletin. It's a picture of the slipcase. I personally wish they were individual also, like the PNW so they are easier to transport and less of a potential to scratch the discs then sliding them in and out like most of the box sets. So is life, I just can't wait to have this great music in my possession!

The design

Musicnow is correct, there is a picture of it in the August Bulletin.
A square slipcase with a tray that slides out.
In the tray are the square cardboard sleeves that presumably hold the CD’s.
Can’t tell how the CD’s are arranged within the sleeves.

Box Size

I agree with all comments on this. I myself have completely given up on the topic and have been out of room for years.. I just scatter them about the house and try to keep them out of direct sunlight so they don't get a dreadful tan.

The only rooms off limits are the attic and the basement because of excessive heat and flooding.

Sage strategy? Perhaps not.. but it is what it is....

ConeKid, kindly post the Lancelot Linq for the box design so I can take a peek.
(kidding of course)

Edit: All jokes aside.. I finally took a close look at my almanac email and I'll be damned if I can find a pic of the box set. ..but really, it's two weeks out and I doubt if I will finish the addition to my house needed to give all the friggen box sets the space they deserve. In any case, I am really very, very happy to see these shows get released and especially happy to see them get the Full Norman and make it here in one box. I hope they do the same for the remaining BCT 72 shows. This is truly a special offering.. I cannot believe Dave did not over-hype it. Perhaps that was on purpose. Save the hype for the shows that need it, this one does not.

Dos Edit: A kind soul sent me the email. It still took me some time to find the box set reveal, and I think all we are seeing is a digipack, right? So we still know not the look of the box. Which is completely fine.

Box size

Yes, my boxes are all over the house, on on the top of book shelves, in clothes draws, in the attic - I think the bathroom is the only room where there aren't any. I keep the curtains drawn and place old L.P.s in front of them to protect them from sun light at certain time sof the day. Needless to say, I live alone.
With boxes where the cds are shoved in tightly in cardboard apertures, I simply take them out and place them in paper sleeeves and keep them in shoe boxes. In one box I have- a King Crimson one, the adhesive glue came off the inner cardboard sleeve onto the the cds! Luckily I managed to salvage them - but its not good.

Box Size

The Fare Thee Well Box is 8x8 inches and has 19 discs and a small book.

The STL Box could be of similar dimensions.

I think that some lucky folks might get a shipping notice this weekend.

SHIPPING NOTICE!!!!!

oh...never mind, it's my wife's new oven mitts.

Box Size

I have it on good authority that the new box will be called "the Loaf".

It will be a 6x6x12 inches long, cd's just stacked one behind the other.

box sets in the bathroom

I currently have 3. Both Spring 90s and E72. Am I inviting disc rot? Time will tell...

Shipping to Germany: 70$…

Shipping to Germany: 70$.
Does this include the new European Tax?
Does anybody know anything about this?
There must be some way out of here.
Somebody please help us Europeans!

Shipping?

Nothing from Deadnet, but UPS just sent me a tracking notice from WEA ECOMM GNARLYWOOD. Could it be
Drp out

UPS shipping notice

I too received a shipping notice from UPS. It says the package is 2 pounds. Dead.net has my St. Louis order as “processing”.

2 pounds

Sounds a little light to be St. Louis. But then again what do I know?

Re: box sets in the bathroom

Originally posted by: wilfredtjones on Thu, 09/23/2021 - 12:28 box sets in the bathroom
I currently have 3. Both Spring 90s and E72. Am I inviting disc rot? Time will tell...

XD (LOL)
1.) Are they using the facilities? If not, ask them to leave or get kicked out. Human fecal matter and human urine just love the compact disc as a magnet, the human waste will gravitate to the discs along with the humidity during a shower or bath. But... If you invite me over, I'd probably take the 2nd Spring 90 box.

2.) To heck with the dirty off-color jokes and all kidding aside, yes, I believe you should take those box sets out of the bathroom. Reason my aforementioned possible/probable humidity problem.

Disc rot? I have never encountered that problem with pressed discs or CD-R or DVD. My first CD: "So" Peter Gabriel - USA release: May 1986. I bought my copy during the Memorial Day 1986 weekend at an independent record store. I still have the original copy in the original jewel case and I just played it in late August of this year with no problems with the disc itself or playing it. Last time I played it was in the last couple of days of 1999, maybe NYE day '99, local time.

Re: GratefulFrog

$70 could be about right.. for a multi-hundo dollar box, I would think they would include some protection, but even without it.. go to your local post and take what might be a similar sized box and try to send it back to the US. I bet they give you a number higher than $70 US. I know it's a sin.. wish it was easier and cheaper.. but in 2021 getting crap shipped across the pond is not as easy as it once was.

We Have Lift Off

No shipping notice, but at least it says "processing." Which is progress! Unless it isn't.

Notice here, too

And also baffled at 2 pound weight, including Light Into Ashes. I got a box for a buddy last week, and the shipping went from $11.99 in July to $26.99 last week, so that made me think it was going to be hefty...

the dreaded disc rot

I don't know about anyone else here, but I have it bad. After I ripped all my discs I started noticing it on my DaP's 1-4. I suspect there are more, too. Could it have been from storing them in the car? Just think how hot it gets in there in the WI summer with the windows rolled up. I still regret my duh pretty bad, but I also remind myself at least I have it all digital (and the packaging).

Two Pounds Figured Out

Two pounds is the weight of the two LP Light Into Ashes. I received my Dead.net shipping notice and that’s the only thing being shipped so far.

Disc Rot

The culprit seems to be storing hits of acid covered with aluminum foil in your Dave's Picks.

For all you people out there that do that.. quickly take the acid out of the sleeves in your dave's and dicks picks and put them in a queen or foreigner cd.. or led zep if you never purchased pop music. Do it quickly...

Disc rot. And the rest.

I've probably looked after my music collection better than I have looked after myself over the years, so physical deterioration and brain rot may be more of a problem for me than disc rot.

Light into Ashes

On the way shipping notice form dead net store. No word on the CD set. still says processing

Wilfred

I’ve checked my CD’s before when you reported rot and all mine played fine.

I never stored any of my commercial releases in my car.

I did store over 600 CD-R’s burned from torrents in the car (two 300+ CD cases in the trunk, and would rotate them into a 100 CD case in the cockpit), and after 10 years about 10% of the CD-R’s had the silver starting to flake off from the plastic. The remaining CD-R’s still play fine, I gave them to a friend for his car since my current car can play from a USB drive.

Not a good idea to store your ‘valuable’ CD’s in the car, make CD-R copies for the car.
Probably shouldn’t store them in the bathroom either.

All You Smart People

So I'm listening to the Ark shows on the Archive. So they sound too bass heavy to be enjoyable?

Or do I need to reassess my medication?

Thanks bunches!!

Shipping Notification

Anybody receive a shipping notification for this box yet?

Not here, Deadvikes

In fact, I just logged on to see if anyone had rec'd one. Crickets so far...

"THAT" Shipping confirmation email

I have that strange feeling that I will get this box set BEFORE I get a shipping confirmation email. That has happened to me several times, but not too often. 1 Dave's Picks, Vol 10 (Thelma 12/12/69); Road Trips 2.4 (Cal Expo 93).

Shipping for LP only

I got a shipping notice for just the Light Into Ashes double LP. Nothing about the box yet.

Sept 27th

Two things stand out. This date is the anniversary of Dicks Picks Vol 11. 9/27/72 is a favorite of mine from a peak era tour. I remember ordering this from the Home Shopping Network. The only time I remember Dick Latvala doing anything like that. Somewhere I have a VHS recording from the broadcast.

The concert itself is stellar.

....also it happens to be my next revolution around our interplanetary orbit around this star we call The Sun. 54 of them.

Check Back Later For Further Details

Light Into Ashes shipping notice but not moving yet.
Don't really care when you printed the label.
Bought something once on fleaBay and the jerk took 9 days between printing the label and getting it to the shipper!
Pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants. Bartender says, "Hey, you've got a steering wheel sticking out of your pants!". And the pirate says, "Arrr, and it's driving me nuts!".
That's all I have to say about that. F. Gump.
Coming soon enough I guess. Cheers all!

Edit: Happy Birthday Brother!

Edit 9/28: Light Into Ashes now expected delivery Oct. 1st. Right on target for the small vinyl package.

Happy, happy,

Joy, joy to space bro!
Hope it’s a good one, perhaps fire up that KILLER DP 11, one of my favorite disc threes! Come on, a DS, Cumberland, and Attics! Fo git a bout it!

Rut, roh, Ist show is going after Vguys dead.net comedy chair!

Re:

Happy SpaceDay, BirthBrother.

Each new situation requires a new architecture…..

50 years ago today………..

September 1971 is the only month of the year in which there were no live Dead shows. However, the Dead did hold rehearsals with Keith Godchaux in late September and early October 1971, supposedly at the Santa Venetia Armory in San Rafael, California.

For an excellent discussion of the Dead’s rehearsal spaces/places, see the following:
lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2013/01/grateful-dead-rehearsal-spaces-1965-1995

For an excellent discussion of the circumstances of Keith joining the band, please see:
deadessays.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-keith-joined

The rehearsals themselves appear to have been held on September 28-30 and October 1, 1971. Variable quality recordings from these dates have circulated for quite some time, and predominantly consist of run throughs of short songs, including new material (such as Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, One More Saturday Night, Mexicali Blues) and some material that subsequently was not played later in 1971 (Deep Elem Blues, Attics Of My Life, Ripple). While there are some short jams, no longer, free form jams appear on the commonly circulating recordings.

If the only new thing we have to offer is an improved version of the past, then today can only be inferior to yesterday. Hypnotized by images of the past, we risk losing all capacity for creative change……

Rock on!!

Doc
Face your fears and doubts, and new worlds will open to you…..

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