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    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • #302
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    There he is!

    Good to see ya!
    Been hitting em all since 3/24 Winterland. Also tge Boxilla show and the Capitol run, so missed about a dozen early on?
    But what a long strange trip it’s been lol.
    Just hitting 12/15/71 for the very first time, wow, what show: Dark Star, Cryptical, a big ole heaping portion of grease, AND it has a Cumberland! Only missing a PEGGY O lol.

    Looking forward to a 71 New Years celebration. Anyone know if there’s any video on Usetoob?

    EDIT: oooopps, no Cryptical, still a top 71 in my book.

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    Have listened to almost every 71 Grateful Dead concert direct on the half century mark. Was a day or so late on a couple of the anniversaries, otherwise will have made the full journey on the way come New Years Eve. Heavy dose. Maybe half of them first time listening. Thinking back to those effervescent days and creative peaks feels like a long view into the past. Saw them ten times that year, and here we are in the future, another winter coming down. Just finished hearing Dark Star from 12/15/71. Wow . Fresh - timeless. Big thanks to Doc 11. Big kudos to Dave in Canada. Thank you gentlemen.
    Good tidings to all, “keep the Mother 🌎 rolling”.

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    42 shall be 2/23/74 with 2/22 bonus disc

    Deep Thought provided a fantastic twin to Dave's Picks 1 and 2 with 41 and 42, which are 5/25/77, 7/31/74, 5/26/77, and 2/23/74, respectively. Sure 2/23 isn't a full Wall of Sound show, but gee whillikers, He's Gone> Truckin'> Drums> The Other One> Eyes of the World> One More Saturday Night sounds pretty fantastic to me, even if it is essentially an hour in E with a drum interlude, and the G#m part of Eyes, and Saturday Night. Very enthusiastic about this Pick, pretty stoked for 41. Since retreads over earlier near Picks are happening, maybe some more of the 1969/70 stuff from the Houseboat stash is left over. Still tantalized by Dave's mention of a Dark Star in there that had "extremely unusual activity from Phil". I don't think it was on the Thelma bonus disc, but was mentioned in those liner notes. If something like that was 43, then a 44 4 disc Greensboro 1991, that'd be a damn solid year of Dave's. Halfway there.

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    Itsburnsy
    Thanks for the heads up. I always receive the email after they sell out

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    Stars arrive on their own timetable…..

    50 years ago today…………….

    December 15, 1971
    Hill Auditorium, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan

    Set 1: Bertha-Me And Bobby McGee-Mr. Charlie-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Beat It On Down The Line-It Hurts Me Too-Cumberland Blues-Jack Straw-You Win Again-Run Rudolph Run-Playing In The Band-Brown-Eyed Women-Mexicali Blues-Big Railroad Blues-Brokedown Palace-El Paso-Casey Jones

    Set 2: Dark Star>Deal-Sugar Magnolia-Turn On Your Lovelight>King Bee>Mannish Boy> Turn On Your Lovelight-One More Saturday Night

    Encore: Uncle John’s Band

    This is dedicated to Todd Sherman………….

    High quality tapes of the massive, 18 song first set have circulated since the dawn of time and were a December 71 cornerstone in many collections. Highlights include the sweet China/Rider, fine Cumberland Blues, and a strong Hurts Me Too.

    The second set appeared years later. It was worth the wait………

    It kicks off nicely with the twelfth and final Dark Star of 1971, twenty minutes of jamming sonic sweetness that travels through many interesting musical spaces. The second set---and the last tour of the year---closes with mythic appropriateness with a rockin’, bluesy, rapping (hey, was Pigpen the first white rapper?) old school Lovelight.

    A wonderful companion piece to December 14. When resonant harmonies arise between this vast outer cosmos and the inner human cosmos, poetry is born……

    Sometimes at night I would sleep open-eyed underneath a sky dripping with stars. I was alive then.…

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    It is my hope that during my brief passage through this universe, that I may share with you the joy of hearing the music of the stars... knowing that the composer was from a distant place and the songs were written eons ago, which now fall gently on this place for all to hear…..

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    Glad they still had it by the time I saw the email, been on the lookout for it ever since they hinted at it in a recent email. Glad it was 10/19/73 to add to the Kiel shows a week and a half into the tour. Love this Dark Star> Mind Left Body Jam> Dew. With this, DaP 1, and 3/1/69, should be some groovy vinyl times in next several months. Though I'm none too confident in my 3/1/69 purchase, since the record stores all seem to say the same generic thing about refunding if not actually available when it comes time to ship. Though some of the stores I looked at disappeared from the search results after a few days, so maybe they do have accurate numbers of what they'll get. So odd no announcement on it officially, and that they would seem to be following the terrible rollouts of 2/28/69 and 5/9/77 as record store only releases. 2/28 is still on sale after coming to dead.net for sale, being on target and walmart and amazon as well. 5/9/77, however was COVID RSD slow rollout in record stores, but not available in reality it seemed, and only ebay was a choice, and that's in the Boston area. The record store I got it from thru ebay was in Iowa, and they had sold 77 of them at that point. And I couldn't find a copy in Boston, and two record store owner friends couldn't track it down either. I don't know what retail would have been on that, but probably far less than $185. Luckily 3/1 appears to be 80 bucks because the 3 LP nature of this beast, just wanna make sure my 80 bucks will be spent and delivered upon. But I'm confirmed with Real Gone, and they're great at fulfillment and updating you.

    When shall we know the Meaning of the Universe, Life, and Everything Pick?

    ETA: the 10/17/72 Playing shot into the upper reaches of my top 5 on the first listen. Better than Veneta, only one I'm for sure is beter is 11/18/72 Hofheinz. Bless Dave and Mr. Norman for that wondrous double gift of Dave's 11 11/17/72 and RSD 2014 Hofheinz 11/18/72. And then 7 years later we get more from that tour and bonus '71 and '73 shows. :)

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    I agree with Doc, this show in Ann Arbor is top GD. Dave Picks 26 Disc3 is a touch stone between Skull & roses & Europe 72. I like all these 71'shows,Port Chester, Austin, Hollywood Bowl, Albuquerque, Felt forum, It looks like the first Gd I loved, Skull, live dead & Europe72.On 71-12-14, There's Kicking a.. uncle, Keith jumps on Run Rudolph, Pig pen shows he is back on Harmonica and it's rumbling until the closing time, when they storm the room for NFA- Goin Down-NFA, all you can expect in 71.

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    New DiP (19!!!) vinyl on sale this morning at Real Gone

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    I don't think I ever let this one steep long enough. It was a patch job of leftovers from the DaP 26 "main event", which itself was a white hot scorcher from the previous month. I just noticed this morning that I don't even have the songs in the correct set list order (half of them were on Disc 3; the other half were on the 2018 Bonus Disc, but out of sequence).

    This was also the 4th Autumn '71 show in a year, as we received back-to-back helpings of newly returned shows for the 2017 and 2018 Bonus Disc Dave's Picks editions. Looks like Ramble On Rose is the only missing track (archive.org has an incomplete version of it). I think I may have been slightly underwhelmed by this show when it came out, being #4 of 4 with very similar set lists.

    Listening this morning with fresh ears and Doc's enthusiasm, it's carving out its own identity finally. I'm just getting into the second set and yeah...they're tight and hitting all marks so far. Excellent recording too. Pigpen's Hammond during the Truckin' opener is loud and clear; the "big build-up" instrumental that concludes Tennessee Jed is as good as it gets; fantastic soloing by Jerry on Big Railroad Blues; perfect backing vocals on stuff like Jack Straw; and Pigpen's voice sounds strong to me on his tunes. It's by and large (so far) an outstanding performance. Will have to save The Other One and conclusion for later. Wasn't expecting this quality, but it just goes to show what Estimated Eyes reminded me of - when the beast was out, they could take a whole set full of the shorter structured tunes to great heights. There sure was a hungry raw enthusiasm that hovered over them in those days. Looking at this one with new eyes Doc.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 02:53

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50 years ago today……

November 11, 1971
Atlanta Municipal Auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Sugaree-Playing In The Band-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-Casey Jones-Me And Bobby McGee-Big Railroad Blues-Mexicali Blues-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away-Johnny B. Goode

This is deadicated to John McCook…………

With the right vibes and the right people, it's easy to create something magical…..

Ah, what might have been! Sometimes, radical politics and rock and roll don’t mix well. And sometimes, the vibe effects the music……

Based on first hand accounts, as well as the audible stage banter on the circulating soundboard tape, this may be one of the most “unpleasant” shows of 1971. This is a difficult show to evaluate. Unlike some shows like Chateau d’Heronville and Terminal Island, which at least have “venue novelty value”, here the vibe is cold, confrontational, even hostile. Did the negative vibes effect the music? Hard to judge nearly fifty years after the fact, but I think that somehow it did.

The first set is about as long as most from this period. The “continuity” or “flow” is severely disrupted after Bertha. As usual, there are “equipment problems”. The second set is markedly shorter than most second sets from the Fall tours (six songs), there is no big jam number, and there is no encore. All that being said, overall the playing is pretty decent, and the Truckin’ and the NFA are strong. Still, I think this show generally falls well below the level of the other November 1971 shows. In fact, I’ve always thought of it as a somewhat oddball show, but maybe it’s just me……………

Rock on!!

Doc
Beautiful things can happen when you act intuitively and instinctively in a moment of anxiety and do something radical…..

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Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 10:29

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Happy to report that the old Harding Theater is alive and kicking. It is now called Emporium SF, a vibrant arcade/sports/music venue that is very popular. Holds around 1500 people.

Rumor has it that yours truly has a connection to the place (??)

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 16:10

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Either he’s the Emperor of the Emporium,
or he holds an unbeatable high score on one of the video games.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 16:16

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Just saw your 11/7 post - you are a gracious man.

Thanks for all you do to help folks around here with their insatiable music addictions..

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 19:36

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Wow

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 11/12/2021 - 02:20

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50 years ago today……

November 12, 1971
San Antonio Civic Auditorium, San Antonio, Texas

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Brown Eyed Women-Mexicali Blues-Black Peter-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Me & My Uncle-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One> Cryptical Envelopment reprise>Big Railroad Blues-Sugar Magnolia-Casey Jones-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to claney, fadedin7, Chris Grand, rodrigodiaz, twoxdad, deadegad, Eric3000, Forward, Dennis, and dharwin, because of the persistence of memory….

After the pandemonium of Atlanta the Dead rebound quite nicely here in San Antonio. A longer show, with a looser feel, a minimum of technical difficulties, and nice Texas-via-Bakersfield flavors. The second set includes a massive, 21 minute Other One that ranges from soft and spacey to raucous and rockin’. What some might call “a nice little show”, definitely underrated and worth a listen!

We have deep depth…..

Rock on!!

Doc
It gets late early out there……

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 11/13/2021 - 08:21

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I've been checking out the unreleased 1971shows Doc's been posting reviews about.

So...11/12/71 is on archive.org - many versions of course. I usually give a quick few minutes listen to each one to find the best audio. The best is usually going to have Charlie Miller's name on it. What I found for 11/12/71 is that in addition to a full-show Charlie Miller board, there is also a lone Charlie Miller version of only the second set. This lone second set copy sounds way better than any of the full-show versions. The audio sounds ready for official release.

Do yourself a favor and download it. The Other One is one of the best '71s I've heard. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the audio is as good as the 7/2/71 Bonus Disc that came with the Skull & Roses 50th Anniversary release. Cryptical Part II WILL require you to pick your face up off of the floor.

I’m envisioning PF with the tooth picks holding his eyes open Ala Clockwork Orange lol with empty coffee cups and energy drinks all over. ; )
You go boy!

KF: yass, I’ve been riding the Doc train all year, well, hit the whole Capital run hard, then everything since Winterland in March, 3/24 maybe? Anyway, hit 11/12 last night and also really dug that whole Cryptical suite!
Didn’t check out the 2nd only version. But will have to after yer big statement!
Doah, like I don’t have enough Dead to catch up on.
The Road Trip shows up next!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 01:01

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AMAZING!!!

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 03:09

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50 years ago today……..

November 14, 1971
Daniel-Meyer Coliseum, Texas Christian University, Fort Worth, , Texas

Set 1: Bertha-Beat It On Down The Line-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-El Paso-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Big Railroad Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-Loser-Playing In The Band-Tennessee Jed-You Win Again-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Matt's_On_The_Way, boblopes, Hoopsie, lowspark75, muleskinner_blues, Gary Farseer, DaveStrang, Guss West, Ridin that Train, and Coconut Phil, because gratitude is when memory is stored in the heart and not in the mind….

This show was relatively unknown until it was partially released as part of the Road Trips series in February 2010, and now, eleven years later, one still hears very little about it.

The 16 song first set, one of the longest of the year, is very fine, with major Bakersfield flavors. Nice early first set China/Rider. Serious dose of country-western-Weir material. The first live version of Hank Williams’ You Win Again, a cover song I always enjoyed. I thought Garcia did it well………..

The second set is slightly shorter, with a more convoluted Other One than in San Antonio (with the somewhat typical Other One/MAMU/Other One sandwich leading into Wharf Rat).

Very solid show, underrated, definitely worth checking out!

Rock on!!

Doc!!
No matter how I struggle and strive, I'll never get out of this world alive…..

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Submitted by drpryan on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 08:43

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Has anyone else got this release? It's kind of a compilation (4 shows from Nov 1976) but it really rocks (Tore Up over you and After Midnight). Also, the Godchaux's really provide some great backing. Keith is on with the keyboards and Donna's harmony is great (no playin" screaming). Also it is a Betty Cantor-Jackson tape so there is that
Highly recommend for some good "Dead" music
Drp out

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Submitted by nitecat on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 13:37

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Glad to hear someone took over Harding Theater and refurbished it.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 01:41

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50 years ago today…..

November 15, 1971
Austin Municipal Auditorium, Austin, Texas

Set 1: Truckin'-Bertha-Playing In The Band-Deal-Jack Straw-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Dark Star>El Paso>Dark Star>Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Me And My Uncle-Ramble On Rose-Mexicali Blues-Brokedown Palace-Me And Bobby McGee-Cumberland Blues-Sugar Magnolia-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>China Cat Sunflower Jam>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to cedarview, GR8FL22, rhodymike, Mr. Jack Straw, Nanno-1974, lebowski99, glynnt54, stoltzfus, dancin dean, and Zomby D Wulf, as memory may be a paradise from which we cannot be driven, it may also be a hell from which we cannot escape……

Back in the day this was one of the first Fall 71 tapes I ever had, and it was an instant favorite. While yes San Antonio and Fort Worth are very fine, Austin may be the penultimate 1971 Texas Dead show. It oozes quirky gooey goodness, from the blazing opening Truckin’, through a first set Star AND a spontaneous jam, to a great NFA suite with even more jamming. And if you’re a fan of Cumberland Blues (like I am!), this is one smokin’ version! Extremely solid, great show, get it!

Rock on!!!

Doc
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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 03:24

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Sorry to be reviving this old warhorse, but it looks as though I will be getting a refund of £32.59 from them, which I have been told I can expect in 6-8 weeks.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 05:08

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Another foray into Doc's sonic '71 adventures. The 11/14 Bonus Disc never received it's fair listening time from me, simply because it's been overshadowed by the full show from the next night in Austin.

Won't be making that mistake again. The Other One is stunning, maybe even better than the newly discovered "pristine" version from the 2nd-set-only Charlie Miller download I was raving about on 11/12. Also on 11/14, and this is what makes 100 versions of the same song sooo worth it; Jerry plays some great staccato chord chops I've never heard him do before during "the sun will shine" verse on Rider. Great energetic exciting listening.

I am about to move on to the immortal 11/15. Great reverb on Jerry's guitar on these two nights. Funny how levels and tones fluctuate in one three month period, but I've always found this Austin show to sound like Jerry plugged into his amp right in my living room. This one and '74 are probably my two favorite Road Trips. Both have a very loud Garcia guitar in there. Hmmm 🤔

I know someone who digs a good Cumberland Blues. I'll take a closer listen to that one today.

Drpryan - Indeed, a great release of Jerry in all his glories in 1976, fine voice, sweet guitar, and what a band!! From the opening chords of Sugaree, there is Keith’s loping barroom keys pushing the song forward. Most, if not all, Garcia Family and Pure Jerry releases have been complete shows, or at least from one venue, one date, so this is a departure, but a great release. A nod to the recently departed Ron Tutt, as well.
Between this, Listen To The River, and DaP 40, it has been quite a run of Grate Dead music for Fall 2021. Should 2022 be this good…

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 12:22

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6/9/73

there is place where Jerry teases Here Comes Sunshine.

listen closely and you will hear it

re this box set:

FANTASTIC and SPECTACULAR

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 11/17/2021 - 01:58

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50 years ago today…….

November 17, 1971
Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, Albuquerque, New Mexico

Set 1: Truckin'-Sugaree-Beat It On Down The Line-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Jack Straw-Deal-Playing In The Band-Cumberland Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-You Win Again-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Deadicated to Strider Brown, because memory is a net full of holes, the most beautiful prizes slip through it…..

And all around is the desert; a corner of the mournful kingdom of sand…….

A very fine show and another personal favorite. I’ve advocated for this show for decades, and always hoped a good FM or SBD copy would someday magically appear. Yes, until that day came, at least once a year I would break out my old, not-entirely-but-almost-unlistenable copy and revisit it. Strong playing, good songs, nice jams. Highly recommended, especially now that it’s available in impeccable sound quality!!!

You should not see the desert simply as some faraway place of little rain. There are many forms of thirst……

Rock on!!

Doc
The rules of survival never change, whether you're in a desert or in an arena…..

I can only imagine what hearing Rex's tape of the show sounded like after years of aural abuse. I love, love, love that Other One sandwich. The thematic jamming is just fantastic! And if that weren't enough, they follow up with one of my favorite versions of NFA> GDTRFB> NFA. I'm glad I got to hear it in the fantastic form from Messrs Jackson and Norman. 11/8/70 is a show I desperately wish existed on SBD. That is a truly exceptional show with a dream setlist. Okay, gonna wrap up now after a detour to listen to that Rosalie McFall a couple times. Epic Dew and Dark Star> Main Ten, and It's All Over Now, Baby Blue. But 11/17/71, is a show that would have been much higher in people's books had a clean SBD circulated like its release partner, 12/14/71 and the Felt Forum shows. Or even the new 12/10/71 release, which decent tapes seemed to circulate if not exist in entireity in the Vault.

That's good news!
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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 06:44

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I thought “everyone’s opinion” was important, now I’m an idiot because I have an opinion?

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Submitted by docmarty on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 06:52

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.....well you know what they say about opinions....a joke btw....albeit perhaps not my best......just trying to lighten things up a little......

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 07:14

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I could tell some jokes. Has anyone every heard the joke the allies created to counter the German's who invented the funniest joke in the world that was used as a weapon in WWII? A joke so deadly funny.. that anyone who heard it died of laugheter?

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 08:30

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yes that joke was a killer and when used in conjunction with the "killer rabbit" the war was quickly won!!

That Rabbit had big pointy, nasty, teeth!
It’s a good thing they had the holy hand grenade!

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 12:27

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If you think having the right to express your opinion gives you the right to insult other people, then you run the risk of being insulted yourself in return.
That's not aimed at you Oro, it's just one of the things I've realised. If you don't recognise this, not only will you hurt other people, you will also get hurt yourself.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 00:45

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Oh good one.

Stolzfus did you listen to 11/19/72 on its name date? I still have that great updated copy you gave me.

Anyone listen to the single disc release of 11-18-72? Man, Phil comes in loud on that one. Now there's a situation where I believe JEFFREY NORMAN could, if the money was invested, bring Phil down in the mix. I know I know, it's a two-track source; but I'll bet he could lower the level of that entire right track and fill the space in with more of the left track. It would not be a "stereo" recording at that point, but Phil would still come mostly out of the right, and Jerry would be much more audible - which is important, because he really shreds it up with the boys on Playing in the Band. I believe this Houston rendition of PITB is widely considered 2nd only to Veneta. In my mind Berkeley 8/25 is right up there too (but the Heady Version crowd disagrees - last I checked 8/25 is far down the list).

I am trying to figure out where these 1972 St. Louis shows stand in the scheme of things. Are any on them better than any of these released shows '72 shows? Released. Shows. Back key not working.

DP 11
DP 23
DP 36

DaP 24
30 Trips '72

So I'm listening to 10/19/72 here, and they're trying to figure out what to play next. Jerry samples the intro to Dire Wolf, and says "wanna do it?", Bobby says "sure let's do it" - and they're off and running. And I'm thinking jeesh I can't recall them doing this one recently. Sure enough, my trusty FM set list guide indicates they hadn't played it since Europe. Five months it had been, and they just up and pull off a near perfect rendition. Who ARE these people?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 01:59

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50 years ago today…..

November 20, 1971
Pauley Pavilion, University of California @ Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Sugaree-Beat It On Down The Line-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-Brown Eyed Women-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Jack Straw-Cumberland Blues-Playing In The Band-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Deadicated to sepp the promoter, mikegordon, mickyfun, desertgirl, maisenberg, double-zero sol, jamesegal, uptownww, tubeguitaramps, dickelliott, csteitz, ortise, blue planetary storm, rlbilsky, progguy, stevehcohen, martyweinberg, andychatfield, drummingclown420, and jackstrawfrommaine because memory narrativises itself……..

Who am I? Where am I? What am I doing here and what does it all mean? And he may look at you and say something weird but y’know it’s all in the game of life and there’s nothin’ you can do about it………….

Some where between Albuquerque and Los Angeles, Truckin’ went straight to the top of the charts in Turlock, California………

Sure wish the commonly circulating soundboards of this show were better quality. Perhaps some day it will be cleaned up and officially released, so that it can get the respect it deserves. Solid, well played, underrated and underappreciated…………….

Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less………

Rock on!!

Doc
We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us……

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Submitted by laf848 on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 06:45

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Started listening to the Boxset for the 2nd time. Wow, I just Love this Boxset ! Think I will be listening to this set for awhile, Thanks Dave !

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 12:30

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no I didn't get an opportunity to listen to 11/19/72. eventually...

Oh, for a full Norman of that show...

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 02:07

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Proudfoot = Stoltzfus??? I'll need to think about that one awhile...

Agree, if ever a show required the Full Norman....it should get shown the light eventually. I would love to hear the Bertha opener cleaned up.

11/19/72
Set 1: Bertha, Me and My Uncle, Sugaree, Beat It On Down the Line, Bird Song, Black-Throated Wind, Don't Ease Me In, Mexicali Blues, Box of Rain, Tomorrow Is Forever, Big River, China Cat Sunflower, I Know You Rider, Playing in the Band, Casey Jones

Set 2: The Promised Land, Ramble On Rose, El Paso, Stella Blue, Jack Straw, Dark Star, Weather Report Suite Prelude, Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo, Around and Around, Big Railroad Blues, Sugar Magnolia, Going Down the Road Feelin' Bad

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 08:43

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stoltz = proud
fus = fuss = foot

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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 13:21

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Stoltzfus!
Is that name of Pennsylvania "Dutch" ancestry?
Origins of those people are in the modern-day German states of Palatinate, Baden-Wurttemberg, Hesse, and Rhineland with Swiss & the French Region of Alsace-Lorraine mixed in for good measure.

Proudfoot!
Mighty proud you are. I'm cool with that fact.

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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 13:31

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A hopefully near-future release, either Dave's Picks (43? 45? 46? etc.) or part of a box set.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 15:44

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I heard somewhere along the way it isnt in the vault

If it is one of the returned Bettys...

:)))

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 20:59

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I have it on good authority that Stoltzfus was abducted by a manic tribe of Sasquatch and is living peacefully on a remote peak high in the Cascade mountains. We are not sure if this was by choice or by force.. on the bright side, his catalytic converter theft paranoia issues no longer plague him.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 21:32

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Mennonite and Amish

The Sasquatches got some gooooood green

I live with them by choice :)))

They did catch a CC thief and barbecued his ass...

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 05:45

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Slight correction - Stoltzfus himself actually escaped the Sasquatches (plural), as documented in the upcoming semi-biography titled "The Duck of Death". It's a "semi" biography because the ending was changed to give it a happier, more Americanized ending.

As documented in The Duck of Death, Stoltzfus was abroad with a traveling companion seeking riches in the Cascade Mountains, when the Sasquatches attacked shortly before dawn. Stoltzfus returned to camp from a supply-gathering excursion to find his traveling companion under attack by the tribe of Sasquatches. Stoltzfus stood witness a moment to develop a strategy, as his friend coyly evaded repeated attacks from the Sasquatches by simply ducking out of the way of the beasts' onslaught. It appears the only way Sasquatches know how to fight is by drunk boxing, which, as all of you know, employs a slow forceful punch, preceded by a slow wind-up, designed to knock-out an adversary with one powerful blow. This is usually a reliable technique for the Sasquatches, which is how they've managed to thwart extinction all these years.

As chronicled in The Duck of Death, Sasquatches live on over-ripe fruit when they can't find meat, so it ferments and they often wander the wilderness drunk and happy (but dangerous still, in my mind).

Unbeknownst to the tribe of Sasquatches, however, Stoltzfus' traveling companion invented the game Whac-A-Mole in the early 70s, and so, he was quite adept with the principal of ducking quickly to avoid attack, and popping right back up to frustrate and stymie opponents, until they eventually tire out and give up.

The book was titled The Duck Of Death, because, in the fictionalized ending, Stoltzfus and his traveling companion fended off the entire tribe of Sasquatches in this manner, and they rode off into the sunset, leaving a clearing full of passed out, dead-looking Sasquatches.

In reality, however, the ending was not so glorious, as they're so often not.
In truth, the Sasquatches won the day, as Whac-A-Mole was intended to be a one player game, and his adversaries were many. But this very attack style of the Sasquatches is what gave Stoltzfus his chance to escape; he was able to maneuver to higher ground when the melee started, and began throwing rocks at the drunken Sasquatches. This was as ferocious and effective as an Ewok attack, perhaps more so, and things were looking up for the two of them....but alas, as they were down to the final two Sasquatches, his traveling companion met the down-side of luck and expired. As his buddy successfully ducked out of the way of one slow haymaker, he popped back up into the randomly timed swing of another drunk-boxing punch from the second of the pair of Sasquatches, and...well, that's why the fictionalized ending was concocted over many bottles of wine, which Jim has already described.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 07:16

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Cool! We are everywhere. I have ancestry in two of those German regions, Baden-Wurttemberg and Alsace-Lorraine. The French side I think but they are famous for their adaptability.
Prost!

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Submitted by dreading on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 11:49

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JimInMD and KeithFan2112, you two (and otjers) consistently make me laugh on these message boards. I picture you as the "class clowns" of your day. Close to the mark?

KeithFan2112, I was curious since I thought JimInMD was correct. You may want to know:

Sas·quatch
/ˌsasˈkwaCH,ˈsaskwäːCH/
noun
plural noun: Sasquatch

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