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    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • KeithFan2112
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    I'm listening to this off the headphones for the first time. I don't have the HD CD player but the DVD player on playing this through is doing something really cool with 5.1 surround sound on. I often wonder what I'm missing without the HD CD player. The headphones experience of a show is so much different than a live room. Now I'm curious to hear how does PNC 1973 shows sound on the 5.1 system.

    Jimmy - great point dude, I never even thought of that. The Dead themselves could have worn parts of these tapes out from just reviewing their performances.

    Philontap - I have a feeling it was probably your post that I read on the Hoffman forum. I posted a short comment. Haven't been back there in a few days. Will check out He's Gone. I love those little nuances in their playing.

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    God, not only were you there, you were "there". When I saw The Stones at the Knebworth festival in 1976, I was so far away I could have been in the next county.

    Funny when we attend a gig/show/festival that subsequently gets perceived and represented as a historical event-when at the time it just seems like another night out. I have never been to anything that had the magnitude of Altamont. I can remember seeing the Sex Pistols around the time they became National threat in Britain - Decemer 1976. If there hadn't been such a fuss afterwards, I'm not sure I would have remembered it.

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    I was among those on the Hoffman forums touting the 10/17/72 Playin' jam as in my top 5 all time. This whole box is really a magnificent compilation of material. Second only to the E'72 trunk. I don't have the trunk itself but I have all the shows. Man, this band could cook.

    I have't been here in a while, but hello again and enjoy it all. Special mention of He's Gone from 10/19/72: at 9:59, Jerry and Bobby emerge from their typical exit jam and somehow simultaneously drop into this gorgeous melody over chord idea that they nail in unison. Bobby then chooses to move to a harmonic counterpoint, but he and Jer move in an out of unison as Phil ramps up the intensity to a clear Jerry blast out at 10:31. These moments are why I buy these releases. That 32-second sequence paid for the entire box. No other rock band could ever do that.

  • Vguy72
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    ....firing up 10.29.73 from this box. The band loved long shows that year. Ain't complaining. Spent a couple days revisiting '79 on the Pick Of The Day board. So much music. So little time
    And yes. This box rules Jimbo.
    Golden Knights and Philly Flyers tied up after two periods btw.
    Edit. We need more heads chiming in on that board. It's fun.

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    Yes I went to see the show at Altamont...I mean it was the Stones, GD, Santana etc supposedly....I was somewhat upfront and as the day word on being by myself I moved closer to the stage, about 60 ft. from it...Angels were out of control...there were a couple of busses parked close to the stage and through the day they were sitting on top for a better view...by late afternoon they were tossing urine filled wine bottles into the crowd...fun...pundits like to call this concert the end of the hippy dream etc but I think that a buncha hooey...all the bands did their best and there were some great momentsbut still...

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    This box rules.. if I have one complaint.. I think they listened to these masters a bit too before they put them in storage. You can tell the source tapes were dragged across heads a few times. ..but hey, that's testament that they were good shows. Pure speculation of course, but I just might be correct.

    A great box. Now.. about BCT a couple months earlier. That's next.

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    I wrestled sleep to feed this box set addiction. But screw it, TGIF. The Dark Star tease at the end of the 10/17 Bertha kills me every time. Rational thought reminds me that they wouldn't have played it the next night if they had gone into it on 10/17, but it gets me all the same. Kind of like the Wild Thing tease on DP 28 before GSET.

    So yeah, 10/17 - I was on the Dave Hoffman forum, and there was much talk about the PITB - so I thought I'd pass that on. It wasn't a "yeah it's a pretty good 72 version"; it was a flat out "the 10/17 PITB jumped to my top 3" sort of remark. I fell asleep before it ever came on, so today for sure. What I did uncover was Billy's drumming on El Paso - I can't say I've ever heard him whip this song up like he does here. Lots of great snare pops and giddy-ups between verses (I think he was doing couplets or double time or some such musical term - any drummers in the house?)

    12/10 is on the agenda for today. Doc I think you made a good call on the Good Lovin' jam section. I think it may be better than any of the E72 versions - looking forward to paying close attention to that one on its anniversary. In fact I have 50 minutes before work - I'm going to turn off Bird Song and turn on that 2nd set from12/10.

    Daverock, yeah I did react emotionally. I tend to stay on the sidelines, but there are a few people here I keep in touch with well enough to call friends.

    On second thought I'm going to let this Bird Song play through. Jerry brought the stuff.

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    50 years ago today…..

    December 10, 1971
    Fox Theater, St Louis, Missouri

    Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Mr. Charlie-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Next Time You See Me-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Big Railroad Blues-Casey Jones

    Set 2: Good Lovin'-Brokedown Palace-Playing In The Band-Run Rudolph Run-Deal-Sugar Magnolia-Comes A Time-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Sitting On Top Of The World>The Other One-Not Fade Away>China Cat Sunflower jam>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

    Encore: One More Saturday Night

    This is deadicated to Kevin Kelly……………

    The solid but somewhat unremarkable first set gives no clue of the upcoming super nova second set. Highlights include the great Good Lovin’ to open and the massive jam that closes the set. Another monster December 1971 show, and one that actually does get widespread love and respect. I am eternally grateful to TPTB for its official release. Savor it!

    Ladies and gentlemen we have a loose frap………..

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    The universe is built on a plan the profound symmetry of which is somehow present in the inner structure of our intellect…..

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    Thanks for that-no hard feelings on my behalf either. It seems wherever you get people together you get disputes (whenever I've involved, anyway) - what matters is if and how you resolve them.

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    12/9 - if nothing else it has the GOAT Run Rudolph Run.

    Sometimes I sit back and marvel that we have all of these shows to listen to. I count roughly 25 officially released 1971 shows (partial releases and compilations). I don't have 25 Rush, Who, and Yes shows combined from their entire touring careers. I wonder what that cost them from night to night - and then take into consideration that they weren't exactly a wealthy band pre-hiatus. I know they used these tapes to analyze their performances, but where do they even find the time to do that...

    I hadn't heard 12/9 until the box came out. I've listened to it a bunch if times now, and yeah, it's shorter, and doesn't pack the heat of a long 2nd set jam.....but hinking back to when the archive releases first got off the ground in the early 90s, and there we're long droughts between releases, would we have been as excited about a12/9 show? It's kind of a rhetorical question for me, because I wasn't into them at the time, but I imagine anything live would have been a treat. It takes a lot of listens for me to really absorb a show, but I think they played as well as 12/10, right?

    No hard feelings Daverock.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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The dreaded double post

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Would of made sense. That’s the problem with only one box a year though.
I think they’d have no problem if the did a big un and a mini every year, but hey I’m a full on addict now ; )
One BIG box, one mini, 5 Dave’s, and another, low budget “cassette master” series, with the occasional stand alone.

There’s still at least hundreds of good shows, what are they waiting for, their market to be Dead…and I don’t mean gratefully ; )

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Just read on uncut that Pink Floyd has released 10 or so live shows from 1970 to 72. Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Obscured by Clouds covered. Awesome

I just went to the site and it didn’t mention the live shows.
But the most recent update, from yesterday, says that Pulse is coming out on BluRay 2-18-22.
Awesome, I have the DVD but have been wishing for a BluRay rerelease.
I saw the same show as on Pulse at the Pontiac Silverdome.

Edit:
Googled it and the live shows are currently only on streaming services.

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Yo! Rockers!!

Before anybody starts losing their mind over this....................

The Floyd shows just "released" on streaming sites are all widely circulated and have been for years. I should know, I have them all.............

These "new" releases are all audience recordings. Repeat---audience recordings, NOT soundboards.Not so bad for what they are, but if anybody was expecting better, sorry, no. And it's not clear that they used the best source material either. Best/worst example---the Montreux shows.

Guess they figured that if King Crimson can do it, so can we!!!

Have followed the Floyd taping/trading scene for decades. Soundboards are exceptionally rare, very little was actually recorded by the band. Alas, their best work, especially in the pre-DSOTM era, was never recorded professionally. I do have these "new" releases if anybody wants, but caveat emptor......

I say this as somebody who was very deep into Pink Floyd years before I got on the Dead bus....................

Rock on!!!

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Breaking the darkness waking the grapevine
One inch of love is one inch of shadow
Love is the shadow that ripens the wine
Set the controls for the heart of the sun

A lot was released as part of the Box a few years ago. Maybe that was most of what they had?
I was able to get all the small Boxes that make up the big Box, except for the bonus material that came with the big Box. But, all the small Boxes were only about half the price, and I didn’t really need all the bonus schwag.
I recently watched all the video from those Boxes and there is some good stuff, but a lot of the 67,68 videos are them lip syncing to the studio recordings.

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Working my way slowly through the box, and finally just now hit disc two of the first '72 show. Whoa. The rippin' Cumberland, then the brain-melting Playin'! Then they open set two with a hot Greatest, then dial it UP a notch with a smokin' Don't Ease!

On top of this I've been listening for the first time to the shows I attended. My third, fourth, and fifth shows were 9/4-6/91, and I'll be DAMNED if they aren't REALLY HOT!

Have a Jerry Christmas, and a Happy New Weir!

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I still dip into this box-I played the first cd from 1970 only last night, which starts with the band playing Atom Heart Mother without the orchestra at Montreux and ends with the same piece live at the Beeb with the full monty.

The cds are much more satisfactory than the blu ray discs for me in this box, apart form the clips from 1966-1967 with the mighty Syd. The ones from 1968, with other band members lip synching to pre recorded playbacks of Syd Barretts songs are a bit ridiculous, unfortunately. They look embarrassed while they are doing it. As indeed they should.

I wonder if these new live Pink Floyd releases are radio broadcasts. We are inundated with them in Britain.

The blu ray of Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets looks tempting. Even if they are a cover band.

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thanks doc for the info, interesting that they would re release released live shows that are audience recordings. I also read that there was a change in the copy write laws in England and Europe and if you don't use it within 50 years, you lose it. Dylan released a bunch of stuff before the 50 year threshold was reached so I guess they just don't want their recordings going to public domain.
I have a couple of Pink Floyd shows that were released back in the 90's "Rhapsody in Pink" comes to mind. They don't sound so good. I stopped buying any of their live stuff due to the recording on that cd alone, pretty shitty.

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Yo! Floydians!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong........

If memory serves me well, those shows were never offically released in the USA. They are not true "line recording broadcast over the airwaves". Can't speak to the UK details......

Pretty much all of the high quality live stuff was released on the early box set. I think there's some tiny fragments of different stuff floating around, but otherwise that's about it for now........

Back in the day, almost no bands routinely recorded live shows unless they were preparing for live album releases. So what was preserved by the Dead was a major, major gift to history---and to us also.

Rock on rockets!

Doc
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Weary strangers' faces show their sympathy
They've seen that hope before.............

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And good morning to you too Captcha. That was like 20 pictures for no apparent reason. Forgot what I was going to say.

I recently got the DSOTM remaster which has a 2nd CD with a live DSOTM from Nov. 1974 Wembly.
Sounds really good compared to the AUD recordings I have.

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Yo! Pinkies!!!

That Wembley "Dark Side show"---which had an Echoes encore----is from November 16, 1974, and was broadcast on the BBC. Echoes was later included as bonus material on the Early Years box set. Great stuff..........

Psychedelic rock on!!

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Children's laughter in my ears,
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Psychedelic rock on indeed! If you are in any doubt - it's Keith Richards 78th birthday today.

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Not Just Keef's birthday but the late great Bobby Keys Birthday Anniversary too...crazy that these two share a birth date...

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Yes, well said - a major omission - Bobby Keyes birthday too.

I can't think of anybody else who embodies the joys of cocking a snook better than Keith Richards.

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“It’s time for young people to start thinking about the world they’ll leave for me and Keith Richards," sez Willie.

Keef reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns gets a physical and doctor tells him he has "everything": he has so many different diseases that they're all somehow in perfect balance. "So, what you're saying is, I'm invincible?" Burns replies.

Good ol' Keef. I loved him like a father, I loved him like a friend, I knew his time would shortly come, but I did not know just when.

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lol

Lions beat Cardinals
Wtf
Thats incredible

My son and I have an inside joke for lameness that has an inflection that must heard not written

but anyway

"Liiunz"

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Sweeney Todd had Shepherd's pie peppered with actual shepherd on top:-)

If I miss it,,,

Merry Christmas one and all.

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I just got around to listening to this all---I hope KeithFan is happy---Keith is all over this, both in his relative prominence compared to other recordings, and in the number of times he is given 'lead' while Garcia lays back or disappears. Much, much Keith, and in great form.

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Have a safe and enjoyable holidaze,
and a Festivus for the rest of us!

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with the "weeds of strength" "processed" through a metal pole

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Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

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Hope everyone here has a fine holiday whatever it is you do......now if you'll excuse me, It's just started snowing and I need to give my short ribs some love outside...

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But I'm cooking up spaghetti, and tri tips on the bbq. With lots of 1969/70 Dead & great blues music. Also lots of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout. Merry Christmas to all the great people here on the forum.

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Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

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To MaryE, for always being there.

To all the others, who make this such an entertaining place.

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...Happy Boxing Day!
Whenever 12/26 comes rolling around, I'm really missing the end of year runs. 12/26 & 12/27 1980 on today's schedule.

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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50 years ago today.....

December 31, 1971
Winterland, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Dancin' In The Streets-Mr. Charlie-Brown-Eyed Women-Beat It On Down The Line-You Win Again-Jack Straw-Sugaree-El Paso-Chinatown Shuffle-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Playing In The Band-Loser-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One-jam>Black Peter-Big River-The Same Thing-Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Casey Jones

This is deadicated to Scott Wiseman………

Ah, shut the f*ck up for a minute. What happened to the FCC…………..?

For years the Lanum FM was the only commonly circulating copy of this show, until Charlie Miller released his fine FM and SBD remasters in 2018. Both are recommended. And while this may not be a “classic show”, it is, like many Dead New Year’s shows, a “fun show”, and it does have its moments, especially the Dancin’ opener and the fine second set. A great way to end a great year of Grateful Dead music. But was it really the end of 1971………………?

The world in which we were called to exist was an absurd world, and there was no other in which we could take refuge…….

Rock on!!

Doc
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Proudfoot, ein neuer Tag. Beautiful!
Jeder Tag ist gleich lang, aber unterschiedlich breit.
G.

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I learned that song in 1972 or 73 while we were living in West Deutschland for 18 months while my Dad worked at Max Plank institute in Heidelberg. I attended a Grundschule

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Doc, Thank you very much for your deadication to 1971. Many years ago, my collection of live Dead consisted of "Live/Dead" 2WS-1830, the 2 LP set; "self-titled" or "Skullfuck" 2WS-1835, the 2 LP set; and "Europe '72" 3WX-2668, the 3 LP set. Skullfuck seemed to be the best ticket for my entry into my understanding of the Grateful Dead and it still does. 1971 holds a special place in my heart and mind in so many different ways.
It is now the dawning hours of 2022 and "playing" the 50th-anniversary "game", 1972 comes into play and we will have many great Grateful Dead shows and that "Europe '72" 50th-anniversary thingy to commemorate. In 2011 the "Europe '72: The Complete Recordings" was issued.

Again, thanks for re-jogging my interest in '71 Dead!

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