Dave's Picks Vol. 40: Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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November 19, 2021 - 10:20am

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Gary Farseer

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Thanks Guys

Have a lot of new bands to check out. Although I am set in my ways I still venture out from time to time. I still listen to Floyd, but only 10-15 hours a year. And Yes, bout the same. Still some redneck music like bluegrass etc. More on this as we move forward.

I am sure most know what psychedelic means. From the Greek psyche means soul and delic (or delous if memory serves) means to reveal.

I was a huge prog head starting around 1976, but I also saw KISS twice that year. I even go back for nostalgia to listen to KISS (ooops sorry) maybe 5 hours a year. I am one who takes some notes on others writings/suggestions here. Can't take a lot of notes as this board moves to quickly.

I am trying to figure out how to construct a Title/Subject I posted on after DaP39, "The Rounder We Get, The Slower We Go." Part of the basis for this is music, sound quality, history, to reveal more of my soul without putting too much on line. As part of this thought experiment, I noticed that after 39 came people moaned about an 80's show. So I posted a couple of paragraphs from "This Is All a Dream", about the progression of the dead from ballrooms to stadiums. Then when "Listen to the River" came out there were others who came on and moaned about the quality of the recordings. Ironic, isn't it? I also know there are the daily posters , of which I am not. And I am not talking about them as we discuss quality of show or the recording thereof. I would say 95% of those who post are the hardcore heads, those satisfied with the immense history of the band and the product now brought forth, fully understanding the disclosure that Dick placed on his first publishing of vault material.

So, to keep a short subject long winded, I will quote Yes from "Going for the ONE." To be psychedelic, to reveal oneself to another (as much as we can here but still stay safe, but in our normal lives), requires as the lyrics say "to be an ever opening flower." This is hard to do, and even harder today than when the hippies in January thru May of 1967, when this really got rolling. Of course, all of that crashed down just a few months later with the collapse of Hashbury.

Ao anyway, as Jeff says, Onward, more later.

G
November 19, 2021 - 10:08am

#512

Oroborous

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Gary, and the pole guy

Ha, Iggy as pole guy, proper! LOL
At first I had an adverse reaction to the idea of Jonah hill as JG, though he did do a good job of his drug addled character in Wolf of Wall Street. Some of that footage when their binged out on Quaaludes is pretty funny, though seemed a bit of a rip off of Fear and Loathing in LV?
So who knows, guess it will be very dependent on the script. Unfortunately, I think HF is not wrong in his prediction. I guess like a bad car wreck we’ll have to rubberneck and find out?
Doubt I’ll actually pay to see this but if it eventually gets streamed for free, as Jim says, I am interested in the content?

GARY: that sounds like a lot of fire power (wattage/SPL)for such a small room? I believe you say you have subs? And floor standers or stand speakers? With big floor standers and subs in a room that small you must have some nasty room modes?
That’s my current issue. My rooms a little too narrow for my hardware/speakers. Eventually going to try some bass traps in the corners as well as additional adsorption at the first reflection points. Then after I’ve done all I can acoustically and using a spectrum analyzer, I’ll use my DSP processor to smooth out the rest. Digital DSP can be a yin/yang thing so like to use as little as necessary. Not considered very purist by strictly analog folks, but whatever actually works, IF, it improves, not diminishes. Like the way most folks misuse equalizers…
Do you use any analyzation or DSP to smooth that out?
It’s nice that someone understands that big power isn’t necessarily about being loud, it’s about tone and clean distortion free sound. Like driving an old school big V8 car: you might not need to go super fast, but when you step on the peddle it’s nice to have all that power!
I’ve found a really good system can get so loud you don’t even know it’s loud until you try to talk to the person sitting next to you!
November 19, 2021 - 9:48am

#513

JoshByTheBay

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Need A Little Help...

Hope everyone's Friday is swell :). Looking for help figuring out how long a copy of Dave's Picks might take to ship to Israel. I ordered a copy of DaP 40 for a friend there and the tracking info hasn't been updated in almost three weeks. Just want to make sure it's still on the way. If there are any Israeli deadheads who might be able to help me figure it out please let me know. Thank you!!
November 19, 2021 - 9:46am

#514

hendrixfreak

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You're killing me, Jim

Except, the Pole Guy IS Iggy Pop, did no one catch that before??

And that's the perfect frame for the movie. It opens with Jer soloing on Dark Star in that Oregon meadow, Pole Guy swaying in the breeze, and Jer begins thinking over his career -- how did it come to this? There were no Pole Guys in the Haight... Maybe the GD were ALWAYS an anachronism and the punksters were just patiently waiting to expose their abs.

Okay, I'll play. Jeff Goldberg will play Bill Graham. Meatloaf will play Pigpen. Fabio will play Bob Weir. Ichabod Crane will play Phil Lesh. Bill Murray will play Bill Kreutzmann. Fu-Manchu will play Mickey Hart.........
November 19, 2021 - 9:34am

#515

Gary Farseer

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Haha

Pole Guy, I try so hard (wink) not to bring him up. I did watch to Daydream on its date.
November 19, 2021 - 8:46am

#516

JimInMD

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The Movie

On the up side, I hear Iggy Pop has agreed to play Pole Guy and Jonah Hill will be in character - high on acid - through at least the first half of the movie.

Edit: Which begs the question.. has Jonah Hill actually dosed?
November 19, 2021 - 8:28am

#517

Dennis

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Nappy the Man

check your PM's
November 19, 2021 - 8:07am

#518

Vguy72

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Caught the Black Crowes last night....

....at the House Of Blues. New line up is solid and they can still bring the heat. Was stoked when they laid down a smoking version of Thorn In My Pride.. Excellent show. Bravo guys.
November 19, 2021 - 7:53am

#519

hendrixfreak

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Biopics suck

How can anyone credibly attempt a biopic of Jer when the movie will undoubtedly run far less time than practically any Jer or GD show ever lasted? IMHO, biopics are morbid exercises. So, let me guess: the movie begins on-location in the Haight, so plenty of tie-dye, beads, bell-bottoms and pot smoke -- all probably well ahead of when they actually caught on, but why not milk a cliche? Then the early shows when the band dressed even worse. Then, whaaat? Jer smoking persian in a airplane bathroom? And then Jer in a coma. Got it.

While I'm at it, I thought the "Long Strange Trip" doc really missed an opportunity. In fact, it revealed that you can be a good technician or editor and still not know how to tell a story. None of the main characters were introduced as such, they just pop up without any attention given to how disparate personalities made up a band. Then the film is just a mish-mash of roughly chronological material. Obviously, the vault did not provide material that may see commercial release -- i.e., shows, possibly including footage that didn't make Festival Express.

I swear I got up on the right side of the bed this morning, it's just that a biopic of Jer needs swift and complete condemnation. And Scorcese's name means nothing anymore; he's an ossified relic who makes excellent mobster movies. A biopic of Jer is a floating turd. Not that I have any strong feelings on the matter.....
November 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#520

simonrob

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I'm curious, Gary...

Once you have determined what sound pressure is required to cause a spontaneous bowel evacuation, then let us know. I shall then ensure that I keep my dBs under that limit or I shall wear a diaper. Heath and safety rules.

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Ah Stoltzie

4/24/72 RTR - the release that turned me into a casual Dead listener. Sugar Magnolia came on in the smoky basement of a home poker game shortly after it came out. I looked at the guy whose house we were at and said in a British accent "what's this mate?" And the rest was history. Still think it's the best version, but you know, you never forget your first Sugar Magnolia.

I'm with you on the 8/1/73, 6/10/73, and 11/19/72. I would add Chicago 7/25/74 to that list. Really want that last '74 Dark Star with the early Slipknot! after it.

Would still very much like the Boston Tea Party shows from the end of 1969 into New Year's. It's unreal how long a Dave's Pick 1969 drought it's been. Back to back Bonus Disc releases with 6 & 10, and then crickets for 8 years.

A few thoughts

7 25 74 yes KF agreed

Glad to have 2 23 74 coming our way

69 shows YES weeee neeeed moooore, Dave

Yesterday of all days

I drive home from Oregon in glorious GD goodness

Pick up son and his GF from airport on the way

Get to my house

Stove/oven and an electrical outlet not functioning

WTF

yin yang

For those with short memories

Trump was the one throwing millions at the drug companies in the2020with the instructions to get a vaccine now! What were the Dems doing? Saying it will never work, it will take 5 years blah blah. Harris claimed she would mess it up. Wtf he wasn’t developing it By the way I’m not anything close to a Trump supporter, as a matter of fact I resigned from the Republican Party in June 16 of 2016 when they nominated him. How many here left the Dems when they nominated a self entitled criminal in ‘16 or a clearly deficient old man in 2020. No just interested in historical accuracy

Best to all

Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

Snafu got into the brown acid

FDT

Meanwhile...

The gorillas at the zoo are cool

Canned heat

Try 1971 'whiskey and wimmen' with john lee hooker on harp and vocals. Happy holidays guys.

Alan Wilson…

On harp. JLH didn’t play harp and you can hear him in amazement as to how the Blind Owl can keep up

Snafu

I meant harmonica.

Christmas is the day that holds all time together.........

Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

Hooker 'N' Heat

That's an amazing album. Not very seasonal - but that version of "Burning Hell" is corrosive. John Lee talks about Pigpen inbetween songs, too-dissing his cooking. I presume that's the same Pigpen.

its Christmas

and I'm sure no one here wants to hear the ravings of a trumpian, so let's all be thankful that the orange loser is not in power anymore and be done with it.
The best xmas present ever, trump in jail.

Daverock

You are correct, sir. Canned/Hooker combination is sweet as honey. Hooker adds that voice that you can't find anymore. Legendary. It is going to be a long, long road to 74' winterland, and Baltimore. If you signed up for the early pigeon subscription, it is even that much better.

Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

Ok, everyone gave me enough amazon gift cards I was able to buy a copy of DP36 in vinyl. (missed it by this much when it came out!!) Just for argument sake it was 350 (new/unopened)

My question is how many of the dicks have been put out in vinyl? I have 8, 26, 19 and now 36. Am I missing any?

Hope everyone had a super Christmas and Santa left you everything you ever wanted!

Dennis: Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

I believe DP 1 though 5 have been reissued on vinyl.

Dicks Picks on vinyl

Dennis - I think 24 came out too-3/23/74. I am not 100% sure - I didn't get it. There was one from 1974 that I dithered about...and while I was trying to make my mind up, it disappeared off Amazon. Whichever 1974 show it was - the last time I saw it was on Discogs...for hundreds of pounds

Two cool shows ten years apart.

12/26/69 and 12/26/79

12-26-70...we were

At the El Monte Legion Stadium (of Frank Zappa fame) for the start of a three day run...one of those night's had an "Easy Wind" that was so good and powerful I thought the back wall of the arena was going to blow out...

12-26-79 DP 5

With the "Uncle John's" 2nd set sandwich is another fine listen for today...

El Monte December 1970

Now therez a box opportunity

Real Gone Dicks

DiP 19 recently came out on on vinyl Real Gone, and I grabbed me one. I think I kind of panicked.

Last year Real Gone put DiP 36, which is one of my 3-4 most favorite of the whole series, but money was tight, and I hesitated and it sold out and then I regretted it. So when they announced they were doing 19 I ordered it immediately, even though to me it's only a very good and maybe not great show. But I'm still glad to have it. Not sure how many others they've done on vinyl but they've done quite a number DiPs and Road Trips on seedy. It's worth it to subscribe to their email newsletter if you're looking for that stuff.

Just btw, I received a vinyl copy of the Goat Head Soup reissue for Xmas, and I'm enjoying it more than expected. I really only wanted it to get the 'Brussels Affair' live set, which is some of very best live Stones on record IMO, but the studio album is better than I remember. Lots of songs I'd forgotten all about (Winter, Silver Train, Hide Your Love) are actually really good. Also never noticed what a major contributor Bill Wyman was on that record: very melodic, tasty bass lines throughout. I'll say it again: to me, the Stones haven't sounded like the Stones since he retired. And of course the Brussel stuff is amazing.

Speaking of Real Gone Dicks: One thing thing that I'm pretty sure was just exactly as bad as I remember is 2020. I refuse to rise to the bait and try to list all the ways that **** failed to address the public health crisis that was killing thousands of Americans per day for months at a time. (Who has the time?) I'll just say this: if you're going say in the middle of a crisis "I take no responsibility," then you don't get to come back later and say "I want to take credit."

Giving 9 8 73 another try

No complaints

But

"Official release" worthy? Dick was keen on 9 8 73?

Ooooodd

Luckily we got the St. Louis box

12/26,27,28/70 Legion Stadium

Nappy, cool show, I've never heard these before. P.F., yeah these would make a great box set.

Crow

Thanks for finding the words. In it for a penny, in it for a pound.

Goats Head Soup

Check the liner notes on Goats Head. There ain't a Stones album from the Bill
Wyman era where he contributes less. Keith & Mick Taylor played bass on many
of the tracks. Apparently Wyman either wasn't invited those particular days or was
out sailing on his yacht ... An underrated effort by the Rolling Stones - last good
lp from the MIck Taylor era. Brussels is the live gold standard for the that line-up!

It’s Christmas

Not interested in the raving of haters on either side Trump or Biden/ Clinton

well said Crow

I love how you x'ed out its name lol.

Anniversary shows 12/27/79, 80, 81, 82,83

Big fun at the Oakland Auditorium and the S.F. Civic.

The Stones vs Mighty Baby

It;s a great album, Goats Head Soup - maybe not as funky as Exile, but the actual songs may be better in some respects. And The Brussels Affair is my favourite live album of theirs.

It's a pity Stones box sets always cost so much ( Black Sabbath's are even worse) When you compare the cost of a Stones box to the cost of, say, the 6 cd Mighty Baby retrospective, the latter works out about three times cheaper. And if you were to ask me which I played the most, the answer would be....The Mighty Baby.

Great Dead shows at Oakland December 1979. 12/26 and 12/28 are anyway. The 26th features maybe my favourite jam of theirs with Brent at the wheel.

The Stones Vs Mighty Baby

No contest. In my house Mighty Baby wins hands down. That's like Max Bygraves Vs Tom Jones.

Every so often...

I listen to So Many Roads release from...a while ago

I really like it

I would love another one like it

There must be a bunch of great music in shows that can't be released as full shows for whatever reasons

I'd buy it

Got a joke for ya

I AM AT AN AIRPORT!

Punch line....

....dealing with the airports these days.

So. Many. People.

Sooooo many.....people

And

OUR FLIGHT GOT CANCELLED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Punch an airline in the nose today, kids!

Anniversary show 12/28/79

42 years ago today , I was at the Oakland Auditorium for a killer show with the good ole Grateful Dead, what a blast!

Major jeally btk

I have good memories of that show on cassette.

Been a Long Time

Listened to 12/29/77 DP 10 all the way through for the first time in ages . That is some quality Wolf era '77. Terrapin Station really rocks on this one.

The Brussels Affair is great. Ladies and Gentlemen...The Rolling Stones is also an outstanding must have from the Exile Tour the previous year (best of 4 shows) released as a movie. There are a few different songs and a few better performances (check out Happy, Tumbling Dice, Bitch, Love in Vain, Sweet Virginia, and Dead Flowers on L&G). The Blu-ray sounds much better than the CD because it 's in 5.1 Surround Sound. I think Keith's vocals are bit better on L&G as well. The Brussels Affair on the other hand has a Midnight Rambler and Can't Always What You Want that may be the live GOATs; then there's Dancin' with Mr. D and Heartbreaker live, which I find more raw and exciting than the studio versions. I'm going back to back on these now....

Re: Major Jello

Agree.. what a run. I have fond memories of this show on CD.

Jug of Love

I went back to that Mighty Baby box set, and it really is superb. I can't think of any other British band that could jam as freely as this, without reverting to blues rock. If, having already got the signature albums, you passed this by, Simon, I highly recommend it. Great to hear so much of that Glastonbury set from 1971 that was featured on one side of that album all those years ago. Its not Daves Pick standard sound wise, but its infintley better than that side on the Glastonbury L.P.
I never saw them live - but I did see guitarist Martin Stone during his brief time with the Pink Fairies. It was 1976. I was 19. I don't remember a darned thing about it.

Dead of the day -3/17/68 from 30 Trips. Grrreat. Lovelight, when it still sounded fresh, kicks things off in fine style. I've only played the first two songs, so the best is yet to come.

Anniversary show 12/28/83 S.F. Civic

38 years ago today, I was at the S.F Civic for a knockout show with the Dead. I put this show on my top 10 list of Grateful Dead shows I've attended. December, what a great month for Grateful Dead shows, I think they could put out a box set of December Grateful Dead year end shows : 12/68, 12/69,12/70, 12/71, 12/72, 12/77, and on and on.

McDonald and Giles

ring any bells?

"sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion"

BTK should be a vault release consultant

gotta check out that 12/28/83 sometime

R.I.P. John Madden

A Bay Area Legend, I was a huge fan of the Oakland Raiders back in the 1960s.

Last 4, all today

8-23-68 153116.8trackmix.gems (playing now, on Caution)
12-28-91 UM.144626.dm.miller
9-9-87 UM.106823.cm.miller
12-28-69 8999.cotsman

A grease sandwich with 2 anniversaries.

A raise of the glass to...

John Madden

A legend is a legend

sun bells rain down...

Looks like one of Peter Sinfield's pearls of wisdom - though I'm not sure he was on board that early on.
I do like the lyrics of some of the psych/prog rock bands from the late 60's early 70's. I was listening to the Tyrannosaurus Rex album "Prophets Seers and Sages The Angels of the Ages" yesterday - a sample of the words?-
"A cobra seer with the puntured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan Sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us."

Genius. They don't write 'em like that anymore.

Dave the Rock and lyrics

Reminded me a little the The Bewlay Brothers by Bowie.

Now there be some great lyrics they don't write anymore! :-)

Dennis - Bewley Brothers

That's a truly great song - one of Bowie's best. Both that, and the album that preceded it, "Man Who Sold The World" are full of strange and wonderful songs. I do like records that somehow manage to be both profound and absurd at the same time.

Phish had to cancel their NYE shows at MSG due to covid....

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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