Grateful Dead

One of the ultimate ironies about Rogan is that on Newsradio, his character was an idiot named Joe that was a conspiracy theorist. So maybe he's just a really good method actor... He went from there to hosting Fear Factor. And now he has hours to fill, and says anything stupid thing that comes to his head.

R.I.P. Norma Waterson, folk singer extraordinaire. Listen to her version of Black Muddy River, a classic rendition.

in Phoenix for music the shops to hit are any one of the four Zia stores...large collections of vinyl and used products...they have also started carrying books and have expanded their BluRay & DVD sections...for other used media, mainly books, I go to Bookman's of which there are two stores in Phoenix...and WilfredTjones thanks mucho for askinf...my knee is still a little tender but doing well...I ice it two or three times a day and wear a neoprene sleeve if I'm going out to do anything...just don't make me climb stairs! #'s 2675 & 2614 have arrived (I always order one a la carte to gift one of my friends) and will be ripping one in a bit to drop into my digital player for headphone use...

Thanks I looked at Google map before your answer and Phoenix sure does have a lot of cool record/cd shops! Someday, I'll get there.

Just got my copy, and…dayum, it sounds great. Kudos as always to Monsieur TheBest, Jeffrey Norman, and the rest of the GD/Rhino crew.

But one thing is sticking in my craw with this one- the placement/existence of the filler. Like every good Deadhead here, I’m always raring for the chance to gripe and explain how things could be better if I was running things…

All of us who purchase DaPs are obviously amenable to physical product. If DaP were only offered as a download, fine- I would purchase that. But it’s offered only in CD format…which I love, because standard operating procedure is loading up a full show in the 5 disc changer and blasting through the big speakers. I also rip them so that I can save to iTunes and play in my truck (which brutally lacks the CD player I love in my car).

The problem is this…the shift from 1977 to 1990 is just way too extreme. It totally destroys the opportunity to have a seamless show experience when you crank up the stereo, then the gears grind from a 77 Big River into a 90 US Blues (and they had to include the NFA chant as well? I went to shows from 86 to 94, but I really don’t need that. Taking a deep breath at this point).

As HF noted earlier, that one song could have been distributed via 30 Days Of Dead or an email download- without the jarring consequences we’re now sentenced to endure. (Filler on DaP 29- the Swing is brilliant. And I understand that it doesn’t always work out that way, given the limitations of the odd timing of a CD and the varying lengths of GD sets).

On second thought, disregard all of the above. Every single second of available filler space on future DaP’s should be devoted to releasing Normanized versions of tunes from 9.20.1970- just wedge them in every chance you get…who’s with me?

Wait...I can see it now… Dave’s Pick 43… Boreal Ridge Day Tripper seguing into Fillmore East Easy Wind!

I love it.. pitchforks and torches in hand. Matters not the issue, let's storm the vault.

(or in my enthusiasm did I miss the point?)

I bet they pay notice to the issue at hand. It is jarring to go from 77 to 90. We love filler. I move all my music into a digital universe and rarely play the source CDs these days, so it's easy for me to match the US Blues encore w/ the show it came from easy peasy.. but for the physical product folks out there that treasure playing CDs, I bet this is a big shock to the system.

They have done this several times over the decades. Dicks Picks 21 from 85 has some 1980 filler. VFTV's have several fillers from other years. There is another jarring one out there, but the title escapes me. When eating sushi, one has the opportunity to cleanse their palate with pickled ginger before delving into jarring variances in flavor and texture. Perhaps if they do this in the future they will revisit the method used in Dicks Picks 13, Nassau Coliseum 5/6/81 where they add a Scarlet Fire filler from '79 after a more than a minute of silence. It's not a big deal for me, more a chuckle, but I agree.

Are we still storming the vault to release all the 1968's? Who's with us?

Ready as always

Fillernofillermorefillerlessfiller
sameyeardifferentyear

2 3 79 y'all

.....could be worse. 95 2 67 shift. Careful what you don't wish for.
I just ordered a mortar and pestle to grind up my discontent.
Got a pitchfork. No torch.
My Dickus Pickus is due tomorrow. Can't wait for the auditory fallout.
Thank you nappy for the awesome reference.

That shakedown.

But you knew that already. Been waiting patiently, listening to all the nuggets in the rich mine of Ladies and Gentlemen April 1971 to get me through. Shipping notice came ten days ago, 41 arrived yesterday morning, down at my PO (a tiny alcove at the back of a country store). #24143, the highest number ever, will consult a numerologist, but having the number 41, between a 2 and a 4, why that's amazing. Seriously, such good sound, am hearing everyone nice and clear and they came to play... another triumph of technology and the people who know how to make this happen: thanks so much. Donna sounds great on Sunrise, and one of my pet peeves, hot mics? No sibilant crescendos crashing into white noise so far. Admittedly, am only 4 songs in... yes disc two looks meager, will flinch at the jarring jump to US Blues, my vote: meld age appropriate material henceforth. Speaking of age, back to the vault for our regularly scheduled excavation of 60s remainders... 41 is 1977, 42 is 1974 iirc, 43 should be 1971 (Doc said), and 44? must be 1968! Just start another series, Delilah's Picks, for the 80s et al.

Dave L-“I want to give you something by a band you LOVE, for FREE, but it may be a little inconvenient”
Dead lover-“Get that free S$1T out of my face”!!
How dare you force me to program my disc player, or worse yet, force me to haul my ass out of the recliner and have to physically push the >next track button!!” Off with his head, say I””

Music is the Best?? Only if it suits my convenience!!

You may now roast me viciously for the next 12 hours, I can take it!!

It's certainly a contender with shows: 2/14/68, 2/27/69, 2/28/69, 2/2/70, 2/13/70, 2/14/70, 2/17/79, and probably many other shows I didn't list.

It is funny, I have been avoiding the second CD because of that US Blues filler (and the general shortness of the CD). I agree with posters here-- they should have put it out there on 30 Days of Dead for anyone to download. Alas....

That said, CDs 1 and 3 are truly fantastic. That is a fine first set and the jam sequence of the second set is really, really good. Now that they have released much of the ballyhooed Spring 1977 tour, I must say that I am partial to the late May and June shows over the early May (including Buffalo and Barton Hall, two traditional favorites)-- probably from Tuscaloosa, through the Dick's Picks 29 shows to the Mosque and now Baltimore. I think a big factor is they figured out how to work Estimated Prophet into the second set jam and they created some brilliant, unique sequences as a result. Great stuff all around.

Kite on ice, since the first of February. Time for 2-27 or 3-1-69. Crank up those Cosmic Charlye's.

And damn it is good! Best sound quality of recent releases. It's a goldilocks, not too wild, not too mild. Just exactly perfect. They had rides in a Gulfstream by then? Doing well monetarily I would say.
Cheers

2 more great February shows I forgot to mention, 2/23 & 24/68 Lake Tahoe.

I am still getting humor out of this, so the chuckle continues.

Maybe not up to the standard of the ones mentioned, or even one of the years best, but I enjoyed 2/26/77 ( Daves 29) the other day. It seems to be the band still shaping things before they got "exactly perfect" as they liked to say. In fact, it reminds me of comedian Eric Morecambe's defense of his piano playing ( I'm playing all the right notes...but not necessarily in the right order) - this show has all the right songs, but not necessarily in the right order.

Man...what's the beef with US Blues? Always thought it's a great up tempo number; sure they've done it a LOT as encore, but I enjoy it much more than Good Lovin' or Around and Around or JBG. Plus it's fun guitar tune. Not "useless" in my book.

On the other hand, depending on Vault security, it could the rattlesnake scenario: first guy gets a pass, second guy gets bit... In which case, I'd be happy to join the proceedings over Zoom....

Hey NappyRags (love the name!), how were Los Lobos in Phoenix? Sold out? Masking, no masking (in the audience)? Hot show? Fun? I've got a ticket for March 22 at Boulder Theater. Haven't seen my boys for way too long. Am wondering if I'll go; that's ~50 days away.

Uh, someone credited me with bitching about filler material, although I have never commented on it. But NOW I will... Personally, I'm not a fan of filler, though I can live with it. I like a clean, full show and I don't feel that the CD format demands that it be filled up. An 80-minute format just provides flexibility for divving up the lengthy tracks in a long show. Did not like filler especially in the taping days, although there was more logic to it based on cost and taping connections. (Here's B&P: fill 'em!) Again, the media is there if you need it. Also, filler may encourage the chopping of shows. On the other hand, if only a partial show is available and hope has been exhausted that missing reels will turn up, I wouldn't object to killer filler. As most seem to be fans, I certainly wouldn't want to influence that decision either way. But on this forum, I'm free to blabber away with my precious opinion!

This brings us back to '68. Probably a fair number of show fragments exist, as well as a few full shows. But in those days a "show" might be in a multi-band line-up and the GD might "only" play, say, 80-90 minutes. So I wouldn't be averse to a few discs of partial '68 shows. They must be thinking about how to release more '68, but that conversation comes with "Will it sell?" But if DL is going to be the "legacy manager," let's get with some legacy already! I keep clamoring for the full 21 Aug 68 show that they chopped for a one-disc vinyl release to gin up sales for the "graphic novel. Time for an RSD of the whole show on CD (no filler..).

To a Dave Matthews Band fan, receiving the #41 means something very special. If your not familiar with his catalog, it’s the name of one of his more popular songs.

Dave's 41 just arrived at my house yesterday. Haven't had a chance to listen much yet, but looking forward to it.

I agree with others on the greatness of Feb shows, particularly in some prime GD years. Feb is my birthday month also.

A few others that come to mind
- Feb 1973 - starts 2/9 in Stanford and is consistently sweet after that.
- Feb 22, 23, and 24 1974 in Winterland - more to come soon with Dave's 42, can't wait
- Dick's picks 18 from 1978 - some of my favorite 78 music.
- Chicago 1981 pretty good shows also

I also love the Fillmore West 69 shows. I missed that original box but have nice digital copies. I picked up 2/28 on vinyl and thinking I want to pick up 3/1 too.

So much good music and just not enough time. Even in February. Cheers ya'll

...if we can get Frau Blücher to lead the way...

NEEEIIGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

always makes me smile

as does US Blues. I like it too, Cousins.

I loves me some filler, personally.

....we all know covid can take away the senses of smell and taste. Imagine if it took away the sense of hearing? Could be worse I guess.
Anyway, 41 out for delivery.
Edit. November gives February a definite run for its money.

Whoa, that filler really shows the difference between the eras, reminds of why I like 70's best. Out of place for sure, and there was also like 45 minutes of "dead air" left on the cd, boooo. There has to be a partial reel/show that will never be released in its entirety. I've always liked filler, but then again, I liked the Road Trips series so what the hell do I know. Hey Proudfoot, it's out of control: "seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-state-lawmakers-considering-bills-to-crack-down-on-theft-of-catalytic-converters/"

....worth the subscription.
Yup. Baltimore arrived. And I still need more '77. Nice pick.
Yet, I see a 1990 encore on the horizon that will test me. I've got my chain mail and sword at the ready. Bring it!

You know, these pitchforks and torches are nice.. but in hindsight I think they are going to regret selling us all those Workingman's Dead Hatchets.

Still, when was the last 68 release not a part of 30 trips? Can you imagine something as incendiary as Kings Beach Bowl or Big Rock Pow Wow or Avalon 2/14/68 getting released as a Dave's Picks? Or as a special release of some sort. I really do suspect there are more 8-track Winter of 68 to be released at some point.. but that's an unsubstantiated guess. (perhaps a hope or a dream)

The Norman was considered as Dick's Picks Vol 1
Should have included this as filler. Better yet,
give us the whole show as a special release.

There must be a balancing act or handshake agreement between Rhino and GD Merch on how many releases vs. their (I think) ten year contracting period.. but instead of mega box sets how about moderate boxes and a couple more one-offs? Or even if they give us a five or six show box, how about a super special, well-fitting single show one-off just because? #More68orStormtheVault

Dave's 41 reached these parts yesterday. Sounds awesome, another excellent release, glad to start this new season of Dave's.

Many years ago I tacked on some unusual filler on one of the tapes I sent off to a hometown Deadhead friend. Tape could have been 10/4/70, or maybe 8/6/71 Set II, that sort of early show. For some odd reason (as in I liked the song) I threw on the Stones' cover of "Going to a Go Go" from a tape I'd made off the radio broadcast of the 1981 Hampton Coliseum show. A while later my friend calls me up - "I was playing this dead tape at a party the other night and at the end out of nowhere there's this freaking Stones' cover and I'm like who the hell would do that?? and then I realized it was (Bluecrow)!!"

Was with that same friend and some of his Cali buddies at the Red Rocks shows August '87. In the stands night 3 and one of them says "Back when Jerry was in a coma I would have gladly listened to a full show of Jerry playing nothing but US Blues over and over and over." Then he gets this sort of crazy look and a big smile and adds "But not anymore!! You hear that Jerry?!" Those were the days. It was all good. Personally I really like the tune - just quintessential Hunter/Garcia. Some of those early versions in '73 and '74, particularly coming out of some crazyspace jam, are just killer. And of course you don't have to go any further than the GD Movie to see just how fun it could be.

yep right there with that sentiment! fun reading that show review. Thanks Dave, Jeffrey, Matt Adams, and all the folks who make this happen. And once again, thank you Betty for another super sweet recording!!

I have to go to Southboro to pick up my Dap 41. I like u.s. blues also. I like filler too. I figure it as a bonus since it came from a show that may not be released.

It's all down to personal choice, of course, but I have never been keen on fillers. I agree with HF - I didn't like them in the taping days and I don't like them now. I really don't feel the need to have every second of every cd/record filled with music. Adding music from another show seems to be done with the idea that the more quantity there is, the more value for money there is. But it's not, in my view-it's quality that counts.

Some of the best books ever written have been quite small-I have a copy of "The Outsider" here by Albert Camus. 120 pages long - and that's it. One of the best novels of the 20th C. They haven't added another 100 pages from one of his other books at the end to pad it out.

Same with records - the 4th side of "Blonde On Blonde" - the one with "Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands" on, is just a shade over 11 minutes long. What a travesty it would have been if they had added some more tracks on at the end to bring it up to 20 minutes. Irrespective of how good those tracks may have been in themselves.

Having said that - the vinyl Dicks Picks 36 has no less than 6 L.P.s worth of 9/21/72 on it. And then there is a 7th L.P. with some of 9/3/72 on it. I think that's alright! Maybe because it is a seperate disc, and not tagged on at the end of one with music from the main show.

Talk of U.S. Blues - I like the 1974 versions - and generally speaking I like up tempo songs, however slight they might appear.
And 1968 - bring it on! It is the 54th anniversary after all.

How about an april '69 box. There at least 14 shows to choose from and ... The Ark!

Dave's 41 was my 1st. show, stoked! Liner notes are for real Dead on.

Avalon Ballroom & Ark, I second that.

to quote Bill Graham from 4/29/71

"mawr mawr mawr"!

and now disco..."more more more, how do you like it, how do you like it, more more more"

zum Beispiel:
that Scarlet Fire on the Dickus Pickus 5/6/81 (11/1/79)
9/2/80 chunk
etc.

watched a documentary on Gordon Lightfoot the other night

GD got a mention as a band that covered Early Morning Rain (on the 11/3/65 Autumn sessions)

Gordon then took up residence in my head for about two days after the documentary

"sundown you better take care..."

Dolly Parton???
Lionel Richie???
Dionne Warwick???
Duran Duran?????????????????

MC5 ok
Judas Priest well at least they are rocknroll

where's MOTORHEAD?????????????

I was sorry to read that the MC5 are in the rock n'roll hall of fame. One of the greatest rock bands of all time, and surely beyond the world of middle of the road rock awards. You will be telling us The Cramps are in there next.
About three years ago, Wayne Kramer played in London - still inspirational, playing every note as though his life depended on it.
Incidentally, there is a dvd of what was left of the MC5 in 2003 playing live in London featuring guest vocalists-one of whom happens to be Lemmy on the 5's "Sister Anne".

Has become a total joke!
Cardboard Jerry had it right.
Little Jann is even more a sell out than his old man.

AND, on another sour note:
Are you people ever satisfied with anything? FFS!

satisfaction

MC5 nominated

Dolly Parton...Lionel Richie...

they are NOT rocknroll

Jerry in the Chefs' hall of fame?
Bob Weir in the Knitters' hall of fame?
Lemmy in the Country hall of fame?

Barbed Wire Whipping Party's words of wisdom (or something like this):

The other day I went to Mars and talked to God
And he told me to tell you to hang tight and don't worry
The solution to everything is death

so satisfaction is unattainable

“ which is nice” lol.

Actually, if you remember those tasty treats JG whipped up during intermission on that (87?) NYE show…lol

Another irrelevant self-congratulatory club that has absolutely no basis in reality. I'm surprised that people on here are so knowledgeable about it. Is it a big deal over there in the US?

I was a little worried when my buddy in the Seattle area got his two days ago, was mine lost? He got a shipping notice last week, I've seen nothing. Good news, my copy arrived yesterday, sans any notice. YAY!
Grate mix by Betty, like others have noted, you can hear all the instruments really clearly. Listening to first set, I must say Donna sounds great on Passenger and Looks like Rain. I also like the early slower version of Jack-a-roe, it has more of a loping feeling, not so rushed like later versions.

Thanks DAVEROCK, for another well thought out and erudite opinion on bonus material. I disagree, but your argument was so strong, I almost bought in!! That's the beauty of sharing opinions. We don't have to agree, but it's surely ok to listen to a differing point of view. It won't hurt!!
Returned to work(finally!!) after the better part of 3 weeks sick. Thanks again for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Have not received 41 yet, but I know it will get here. I'm very excited to play it multiple times.
Regarding R&R Hall of Fame, again, this is just one asshole's opinion, but I think it was great for about 6 years or so, but at this point it's like the Grammys became to me about 1980, irrelevant and quite meaningless. A popularity contest basically.
Anyway, we here at deadnet are creating our own Mt. Rushmore's!!
That is all(for now!!).

Music Is The Best!!

Dap #41 has arrived, thenk ye gods, and it happened on a day when I could just plunk it in the player and listen to the whole thing. So I did. Can’t add much to what’s already been said: it’s pretty typical spring ’77, which is to say typically great, with typically good Betty board sound, typically good energy good voices good playing all around, a very “together” version of the GOGD.

And typical of the DaPs, it’s an untypical set list for the era, with no wide open jamming. For me, it was kind of nice to hear after residing in ’69 for a couple weeks. I thought the “Sugaree” and “High Time” were about as good as they ever get, and disc 3 is so good, from beginning to end, I’m sure I’ll be playing it a lot.

I do agree that the inclusion of the 1990 “US Blues” is jarring. It’s pretty weird to suddenly hear a Brent solo come barging in when you’re in a ‘70s set mindset. If the TPTB are listening, I would like to add my voice to those who prefer that any filler be pulled from the same tour.

The RnR HoF? I have no idea why it exists. There really isn’t much need to further honor the true hall of famers like the Beatles, Stones, Who, Zep, Dead. I suppose there’s some value in putting influential but lesser known artists, like say the Velvet Underground, alongside the acknowledged giants, because maybe it prompts some people to go check ‘em out. And it’s good that lesser known founding fathers (and mothers) like Howlin Wolf and Ma Rainey get some recognition. But the Hall has left out so many influential-but-relatively unknown artists (Gram Parson, Captain Beefheart, to name just two) and founding fathers (no Charlie Parker? are you shitting me?). And it seems to induct every top-selling but artistically bankrupt superstar act (too many to mention). And not a few leisure-suited music industry weasels whose sole contribution was ripping off the artists and accepting payola. It can’t be taken seriously.

1. I see the topic in the news source I frequent (Seattle Times), and so my puppydog attention is fetched.
2. I see nominees that have NOTHING to do with rocknroll. That's why my silk panties get knotted up.

"Pizza nominated for pencil hall of fame."

Mr. Natural sez: "The whole universe is completely insane!"

Yep.

I got #41 but it is still shrink wrapped.

"Soon...it would be soon"
- Waldo Jeffers

....are you kidding me?
Had to look up Fela Kuti. "He is regarded as the pioneer of Afrobeat, an African music genre that combines traditional Yoruba percussion and vocal styles with American funk and jazz."
Funk. And. Jazz. Ok.
At least they got Benatar, Priest, RATM and New York Dolls right.
DEVO and Eminem are questionable. Good to see The Eurythmics on the list. I assumed Judas Priest were already in. Sad. Doubly sad if they aren't like automatic.
And still no Iron Maiden, Phish or Smashing Pumpkins. Effin stupid.