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You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

"Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away."

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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February 18, 2022 - 4:20pm

#791

Mr. Ones

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Just what nobody wants(my 2 cents)

I love the discussion of live shows vis a vis, shows we attended vs. shows we love to listen to. I will always enjoy having a cd of a show that I attended, regardless of which band we’re talking about. It’s just the ultimate souvenir.
But when it comes to the Dead, my first show was 8/31/80, and while I would flip my lid if it was ever released, what I really want more than anything else, are shows from 1967-1974, with 67-70 being the real hot spot for me.
I realize that there are most likely not too many shows of that era in a releasable form. Do I like shows from all years. Yes. To a point. If it is a superbly played show, I’ll give it many listens. If it’s not, it’s probably a 2 and done for me.
While I’m perfectly ok with that, it’s human nature to want what I want(and right NOW).
ANY show is desirable for me between 67-70, regardless of how sloppy or how much repeat of set lists, because they were absolutely PRIMAL at this time!!
Of course, that just one idiots opinion. I gladly take whatever Dave gives me. I don’t feel the need to ‘threaten’ him by saying I’ll stop buying stuff. If I were to stop, there are certainly many punters ready to take my place. My music addiction does not seem about to subside anytime soon.
As far as box sets go, I don’t see me buying anything from after ‘74. Again, that’s just me, I know I’m in the minority.
I think I’ll let Dave worry about choices and sales figures, and I’ll just keep subscribing, and pick and choose which boxes to buy.

Anyway you look at it, my opinion only applies to me, and I welcome opinions from any and all who contribute to this site.

And keep the Last 5’s and other recommendations coming, because I sure as hell want to be on the receiving end of your much anticipated suggestions/favorites!!
February 18, 2022 - 3:21pm

#792

hendrixfreak

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Daverock, thinking, thinking....

So I saw the band 1972 to 1992, with a ton of shows in '73. I have found that magical '73 sound to be my favorite in many ways, probably because I tripped out back then as a very young man and the sounds made an indelible impression. Yet I'm a stone Pigpen fan and love the early band's energy. I bemoan the lost of ... "spirit" let's say in the later years that to me reflected Jer's decline due to H. That said, something some folks call "attendance bias" or something like that suggests that people do enjoy hearing the shows they attended. Therefore, if they released the two '92 shows I went to, I'd dig it. But I'd go apeshit for a release of my first show in Sept '72 because that would overlap with the band's best year(s).

I'm babbling but I guess it must be difficult to intuit what the GD fans will purchase. Some suggested that younger fans (those under, say, age 55!) might have snapped up the Giants Stadium box (I skipped it, always looking for opportunities to stop spending on GD music, though not really succeeding). Are older heads (I'm 65) really a monolithic force jonesing for '60s shows? I do not pretend to know.

I suppose they can always analyze the sales for any given release, but who's to say what the demographics behind the sales #s really are? We're currently fixated on chronology and specific years for the band, which seems natural, but does that really influence sales? It has to, but how much of a factor is it? Versus, say, longtime buzz about a certain show and its circulation on tape, etc. (Example: Barton Hall '78, said to be "the greatest of all time" show doesn't really impress me... As in, I have NO IDEA what the hype is all about. It's a fun show, that's all -- for me.)

The whole thing is a mystery to me. And for Dave, and Rhino, how much of their release decisions are based on data and how much on intuition and wishful thinking?

I'm going to solve this conundrum by immediately retreating to my music room with a whiskey and spleef and play around on slide in standard tuning on my 1964 Gretsch as the day's last light slants across the room... Hey, I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to kick stuff around and goof off on this forum. Thanks gang!
February 18, 2022 - 2:36pm

#793

daverock

Joined:
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Age related

HF - your comment that older heads might prefer 67-69 shows and younger heads 80's and 90's shows got me thinking. I only saw The Dead in 1981 and 1990, but my taste in listening to live recordings has always been 1967-1974. With different years within that timespan being my favourite at different times. It was 67-69 that originally got me interested in them.
Curiously perhaps, I don't really relate listening to their live recordings to my experience of actually seeing them. It doesn't feel nostalgic when I listen to them - a forever now band.
February 18, 2022 - 1:39pm

#794

That Mike

Joined:
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Bobby (Bobby?) Weir & Wolf Bros

“Live In Colorado” just arrived!
New persona, Bob!? Asking for a friend.
February 18, 2022 - 1:03pm

#795

Jason Wilder

Joined:
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Prognosticating: Box + Last 2 Dave's

Well, we know that #42 is 2/23/74. Making this another year where Dave has selected at least 1 show from both the late Keith & Donna era (with Mickey post-hiatus) and the early K&D era (post Pig pre-hiatus). The only exception was 2018 with no early K&D. 2 late K&Ds + Brent + Pig/TC. Also got PNW Box that year, so plenty of early K&D.

On the chat Dave said a good year for variety. Pig, Brent, & Vince/Bruce are the other eras. Hope the Box + 2 DPs touch them all. Have not had a Pig Dave's since 2019. Have had 2 Brent's the last 2 years, the only times Dave has done that.

Last 5 boxes: STL 71/72/73, June 76, Giants 87/89/91, PNW 73/74, May 77 GSTL. I think we are gonna get early (Carousel '68?) or late (Brent 80s or MSG fall 90).
February 18, 2022 - 12:56pm

#796

Atron

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February 18, 2022 - 11:56am

#797

hendrixfreak

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OMG! I just had ANOTHER thought........

Perhaps this is too obvious, but the Listen to the River box is just so good in concept, execution and content, that
WHAT IF ... ole' Dave decided to couple up shows from
- fall '67
- spring '68
- fall '68
- spring '69

To show the early band's evolution. Fall '67 to spring '69 is quite the arc in their ability to deliver, from surging beast to well-oiled psychedelic band. That approach could be done in 5-6 discs. I think the barrier to my own "ideas" relates to Dave's story on how "Listen" came together. He went to Rhino, if I recall correctly, with the "Listen" concept but only a 10 or 12-disc product and they responded, "could you do a 20-CD box?" I guess we'd have to review the history -- shorter boxes have been issued -- to see what the pattern is. Or maybe 20-disc boxes are Rhino-favored going forward? For my money, it'll be tough to surpass the "Listen" box because '71-'72-'73 is prime material for me. Okay, maybe older heads want primal 67-69, younger heads might favor 80s-90s? My thrashing about here confirms that I don't belong in merchandising. Just purchasing...........
February 18, 2022 - 11:11am

#798

Oroborous

Joined:
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Primal box

Said it before, I’ll say it again: only have fragments of primal, no problemo, center the box around some primo 69, say April 69 Avalon/Ark, and tack a few discs of 67-68 on it, voilà!
Say frags of 67 on one or two discs depending on quantity/quality, three or four short 68 shows, and the majority of the Avalon and Ark shows…
February 18, 2022 - 10:57am

#799

Oroborous

Joined:
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Norman et el

I don’t really compare or pay that close attention, but it does seem overall like they’ve gotten better with time/experience. I try to judge each show singularly, on their own merits.
Later, I might compare to other shows within that tour, but any other than that it seems futile to me.
The only recent one I’ve thought was audibly subpar was the 73 from last year, and I think that was more to do with the recording. Most folks couldn’t even tell though, I think you need certain ears/equipment?

Think sonics the last couple years have been great except the above mentioned, and perhaps a smidge too much ambient mic on the 87? (But I really prefer a good matrix! SBs don’t sound natural to me)
Still blown away how well the 78 (37?) sounds. 41 too.
Really, all formats have marked improvement, If you compare apples to apples: meaning i.e., say 40 to other summer 90 DATs, and say, 41 to other May 77 Beatty reels etc, and Philly 83 to other cassettes, there seems to be an audible improvement over early releases of similar formats.
My only complaint Is that sometimes Dave picks a good city and street, but goes to the wrong house…
February 18, 2022 - 10:40am

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Slow Dog Noodle

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You can listen to Grateful Dead records over and over again and never understand the attraction they have for certain people until you attend one of their concerts. Sometime during the Dead's usual five-hour set, it will all click: Jerry Garcia's Indian bead string of notes on the guitar, the ozone ooze of the vocal harmonies, the shifting, shuffling rhythm of bassist Phil Lesh and drummer Bill Kreutzmann, and the distant echo of the oldest of American folk music. - Columbia Flier

"Certain people" will know that we're coming in hot with one that's got all these things and more, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77. Yes, there's still plenty of spectacular May '77 to go around. Nearly chosen for Dave's Picks Vol. 1, 5/26/77 delivers three-fold. There's one count for the energy - all the precision of the Spring tour conjuring up the raw power of the Fall tour that was to come. There's another for the setlist which featured beloved songs from WORKINGMAN'S DEAD and soon-to-be favorites from the freshly recorded TERRAPIN STATION. And a third for its element of surprise (or shall we say surprises) from an astonishingly peak 15-minute "Sugaree" to new delights ("Sunrise," "Passenger," "Jack-A-Roe') to a rare first-set finale of "Bertha" to the second set's "Terrapin>Estimated>Eyes," traveling leaps and bounds towards the improvisational journey that is a nearly 17-minute "Not Fade Away."

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 41: BALTIMORE CIVIC CENTER, BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, 5/26/77 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

Re: Joe Rogan and Newsradio

One of the ultimate ironies about Rogan is that on Newsradio, his character was an idiot named Joe that was a conspiracy theorist. So maybe he's just a really good method actor... He went from there to hosting Fear Factor. And now he has hours to fill, and says anything stupid thing that comes to his head.

Norma Waterson

R.I.P. Norma Waterson, folk singer extraordinaire. Listen to her version of Black Muddy River, a classic rendition.

re Phoenix for Deadegad

in Phoenix for music the shops to hit are any one of the four Zia stores...large collections of vinyl and used products...they have also started carrying books and have expanded their BluRay & DVD sections...for other used media, mainly books, I go to Bookman's of which there are two stores in Phoenix...and WilfredTjones thanks mucho for askinf...my knee is still a little tender but doing well...I ice it two or three times a day and wear a neoprene sleeve if I'm going out to do anything...just don't make me climb stairs! #'s 2675 & 2614 have arrived (I always order one a la carte to gift one of my friends) and will be ripping one in a bit to drop into my digital player for headphone use...

@ nappyrags

Thanks I looked at Google map before your answer and Phoenix sure does have a lot of cool record/cd shops! Someday, I'll get there.

I Will Say My Piece And Get Out

Just got my copy, and…dayum, it sounds great. Kudos as always to Monsieur TheBest, Jeffrey Norman, and the rest of the GD/Rhino crew.

But one thing is sticking in my craw with this one- the placement/existence of the filler. Like every good Deadhead here, I’m always raring for the chance to gripe and explain how things could be better if I was running things…

All of us who purchase DaPs are obviously amenable to physical product. If DaP were only offered as a download, fine- I would purchase that. But it’s offered only in CD format…which I love, because standard operating procedure is loading up a full show in the 5 disc changer and blasting through the big speakers. I also rip them so that I can save to iTunes and play in my truck (which brutally lacks the CD player I love in my car).

The problem is this…the shift from 1977 to 1990 is just way too extreme. It totally destroys the opportunity to have a seamless show experience when you crank up the stereo, then the gears grind from a 77 Big River into a 90 US Blues (and they had to include the NFA chant as well? I went to shows from 86 to 94, but I really don’t need that. Taking a deep breath at this point).

As HF noted earlier, that one song could have been distributed via 30 Days Of Dead or an email download- without the jarring consequences we’re now sentenced to endure. (Filler on DaP 29- the Swing is brilliant. And I understand that it doesn’t always work out that way, given the limitations of the odd timing of a CD and the varying lengths of GD sets).

On second thought, disregard all of the above. Every single second of available filler space on future DaP’s should be devoted to releasing Normanized versions of tunes from 9.20.1970- just wedge them in every chance you get…who’s with me?

Wait...I can see it now… Dave’s Pick 43… Boreal Ridge Day Tripper seguing into Fillmore East Easy Wind!

Re: Who's With Me?

I love it.. pitchforks and torches in hand. Matters not the issue, let's storm the vault.

(or in my enthusiasm did I miss the point?)

I bet they pay notice to the issue at hand. It is jarring to go from 77 to 90. We love filler. I move all my music into a digital universe and rarely play the source CDs these days, so it's easy for me to match the US Blues encore w/ the show it came from easy peasy.. but for the physical product folks out there that treasure playing CDs, I bet this is a big shock to the system.

They have done this several times over the decades. Dicks Picks 21 from 85 has some 1980 filler. VFTV's have several fillers from other years. There is another jarring one out there, but the title escapes me. When eating sushi, one has the opportunity to cleanse their palate with pickled ginger before delving into jarring variances in flavor and texture. Perhaps if they do this in the future they will revisit the method used in Dicks Picks 13, Nassau Coliseum 5/6/81 where they add a Scarlet Fire filler from '79 after a more than a minute of silence. It's not a big deal for me, more a chuckle, but I agree.

Are we still storming the vault to release all the 1968's? Who's with us?

Pitchfork and torch ready, Capn Jiminmd

Ready as always

Fillernofillermorefillerlessfiller
sameyeardifferentyear

2 3 79 y'all

The 77 2 90 shift....

.....could be worse. 95 2 67 shift. Careful what you don't wish for.
I just ordered a mortar and pestle to grind up my discontent.
Got a pitchfork. No torch.
My Dickus Pickus is due tomorrow. Can't wait for the auditory fallout.
Thank you nappy for the awesome reference.

Dap39

That shakedown.

I am with you Jim

But you knew that already. Been waiting patiently, listening to all the nuggets in the rich mine of Ladies and Gentlemen April 1971 to get me through. Shipping notice came ten days ago, 41 arrived yesterday morning, down at my PO (a tiny alcove at the back of a country store). #24143, the highest number ever, will consult a numerologist, but having the number 41, between a 2 and a 4, why that's amazing. Seriously, such good sound, am hearing everyone nice and clear and they came to play... another triumph of technology and the people who know how to make this happen: thanks so much. Donna sounds great on Sunrise, and one of my pet peeves, hot mics? No sibilant crescendos crashing into white noise so far. Admittedly, am only 4 songs in... yes disc two looks meager, will flinch at the jarring jump to US Blues, my vote: meld age appropriate material henceforth. Speaking of age, back to the vault for our regularly scheduled excavation of 60s remainders... 41 is 1977, 42 is 1974 iirc, 43 should be 1971 (Doc said), and 44? must be 1968! Just start another series, Delilah's Picks, for the 80s et al.

Thank you sir, may I have none

Dave L-“I want to give you something by a band you LOVE, for FREE, but it may be a little inconvenient”
Dead lover-“Get that free S$1T out of my face”!!
How dare you force me to program my disc player, or worse yet, force me to haul my ass out of the recliner and have to physically push the >next track button!!” Off with his head, say I””

Music is the Best?? Only if it suits my convenience!!

You may now roast me viciously for the next 12 hours, I can take it!!

February, the greatest month for Dead shows

It's certainly a contender with shows: 2/14/68, 2/27/69, 2/28/69, 2/2/70, 2/13/70, 2/14/70, 2/17/79, and probably many other shows I didn't list.

New DaP

It is funny, I have been avoiding the second CD because of that US Blues filler (and the general shortness of the CD). I agree with posters here-- they should have put it out there on 30 Days of Dead for anyone to download. Alas....

That said, CDs 1 and 3 are truly fantastic. That is a fine first set and the jam sequence of the second set is really, really good. Now that they have released much of the ballyhooed Spring 1977 tour, I must say that I am partial to the late May and June shows over the early May (including Buffalo and Barton Hall, two traditional favorites)-- probably from Tuscaloosa, through the Dick's Picks 29 shows to the Mosque and now Baltimore. I think a big factor is they figured out how to work Estimated Prophet into the second set jam and they created some brilliant, unique sequences as a result. Great stuff all around.

hung up waiting for a windy day

Kite on ice, since the first of February. Time for 2-27 or 3-1-69. Crank up those Cosmic Charlye's.

Got It

And damn it is good! Best sound quality of recent releases. It's a goldilocks, not too wild, not too mild. Just exactly perfect. They had rides in a Gulfstream by then? Doing well monetarily I would say.
Cheers

February shows

2 more great February shows I forgot to mention, 2/23 & 24/68 Lake Tahoe.

Re: Mr. Ones

I am still getting humor out of this, so the chuckle continues.

February shows

Maybe not up to the standard of the ones mentioned, or even one of the years best, but I enjoyed 2/26/77 ( Daves 29) the other day. It seems to be the band still shaping things before they got "exactly perfect" as they liked to say. In fact, it reminds me of comedian Eric Morecambe's defense of his piano playing ( I'm playing all the right notes...but not necessarily in the right order) - this show has all the right songs, but not necessarily in the right order.

US Blues

Man...what's the beef with US Blues? Always thought it's a great up tempo number; sure they've done it a LOT as encore, but I enjoy it much more than Good Lovin' or Around and Around or JBG. Plus it's fun guitar tune. Not "useless" in my book.

Got my pitchfork and I'm, um, right behind you....

On the other hand, depending on Vault security, it could the rattlesnake scenario: first guy gets a pass, second guy gets bit... In which case, I'd be happy to join the proceedings over Zoom....

Hey NappyRags (love the name!), how were Los Lobos in Phoenix? Sold out? Masking, no masking (in the audience)? Hot show? Fun? I've got a ticket for March 22 at Boulder Theater. Haven't seen my boys for way too long. Am wondering if I'll go; that's ~50 days away.

Uh, someone credited me with bitching about filler material, although I have never commented on it. But NOW I will... Personally, I'm not a fan of filler, though I can live with it. I like a clean, full show and I don't feel that the CD format demands that it be filled up. An 80-minute format just provides flexibility for divving up the lengthy tracks in a long show. Did not like filler especially in the taping days, although there was more logic to it based on cost and taping connections. (Here's B&P: fill 'em!) Again, the media is there if you need it. Also, filler may encourage the chopping of shows. On the other hand, if only a partial show is available and hope has been exhausted that missing reels will turn up, I wouldn't object to killer filler. As most seem to be fans, I certainly wouldn't want to influence that decision either way. But on this forum, I'm free to blabber away with my precious opinion!

This brings us back to '68. Probably a fair number of show fragments exist, as well as a few full shows. But in those days a "show" might be in a multi-band line-up and the GD might "only" play, say, 80-90 minutes. So I wouldn't be averse to a few discs of partial '68 shows. They must be thinking about how to release more '68, but that conversation comes with "Will it sell?" But if DL is going to be the "legacy manager," let's get with some legacy already! I keep clamoring for the full 21 Aug 68 show that they chopped for a one-disc vinyl release to gin up sales for the "graphic novel. Time for an RSD of the whole show on CD (no filler..).

#41 Dave Matthews Band

To a Dave Matthews Band fan, receiving the #41 means something very special. If your not familiar with his catalog, it’s the name of one of his more popular songs.

February Shows

Dave's 41 just arrived at my house yesterday. Haven't had a chance to listen much yet, but looking forward to it.

I agree with others on the greatness of Feb shows, particularly in some prime GD years. Feb is my birthday month also.

A few others that come to mind
- Feb 1973 - starts 2/9 in Stanford and is consistently sweet after that.
- Feb 22, 23, and 24 1974 in Winterland - more to come soon with Dave's 42, can't wait
- Dick's picks 18 from 1978 - some of my favorite 78 music.
- Chicago 1981 pretty good shows also

I also love the Fillmore West 69 shows. I missed that original box but have nice digital copies. I picked up 2/28 on vinyl and thinking I want to pick up 3/1 too.

So much good music and just not enough time. Even in February. Cheers ya'll

I'm in...

...if we can get Frau Blücher to lead the way...

BLUECHER!

NEEEIIGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

always makes me smile

as does US Blues. I like it too, Cousins.

I loves me some filler, personally.

I just had a shower thought....

....we all know covid can take away the senses of smell and taste. Imagine if it took away the sense of hearing? Could be worse I guess.
Anyway, 41 out for delivery.
Edit. November gives February a definite run for its money.

Filler fo' Sure

Whoa, that filler really shows the difference between the eras, reminds of why I like 70's best. Out of place for sure, and there was also like 45 minutes of "dead air" left on the cd, boooo. There has to be a partial reel/show that will never be released in its entirety. I've always liked filler, but then again, I liked the Road Trips series so what the hell do I know. Hey Proudfoot, it's out of control: "seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-state-lawmakers-considering-bills-to-crack-down-on-theft-of-catalytic-converters/"

Weir's banter between Mama Tried and Sunrise....

....worth the subscription.
Yup. Baltimore arrived. And I still need more '77. Nice pick.
Yet, I see a 1990 encore on the horizon that will test me. I've got my chain mail and sword at the ready. Bring it!

Re:'68 or Bust..

You know, these pitchforks and torches are nice.. but in hindsight I think they are going to regret selling us all those Workingman's Dead Hatchets.

Still, when was the last 68 release not a part of 30 trips? Can you imagine something as incendiary as Kings Beach Bowl or Big Rock Pow Wow or Avalon 2/14/68 getting released as a Dave's Picks? Or as a special release of some sort. I really do suspect there are more 8-track Winter of 68 to be released at some point.. but that's an unsubstantiated guess. (perhaps a hope or a dream)

Show Filler Norman OK 10/11/1977

The Norman was considered as Dick's Picks Vol 1
Should have included this as filler. Better yet,
give us the whole show as a special release.

They Need More Special Releases

There must be a balancing act or handshake agreement between Rhino and GD Merch on how many releases vs. their (I think) ten year contracting period.. but instead of mega box sets how about moderate boxes and a couple more one-offs? Or even if they give us a five or six show box, how about a super special, well-fitting single show one-off just because? #More68orStormtheVault

#2759, filler, U.S. Blues

Dave's 41 reached these parts yesterday. Sounds awesome, another excellent release, glad to start this new season of Dave's.

Many years ago I tacked on some unusual filler on one of the tapes I sent off to a hometown Deadhead friend. Tape could have been 10/4/70, or maybe 8/6/71 Set II, that sort of early show. For some odd reason (as in I liked the song) I threw on the Stones' cover of "Going to a Go Go" from a tape I'd made off the radio broadcast of the 1981 Hampton Coliseum show. A while later my friend calls me up - "I was playing this dead tape at a party the other night and at the end out of nowhere there's this freaking Stones' cover and I'm like who the hell would do that?? and then I realized it was (Bluecrow)!!"

Was with that same friend and some of his Cali buddies at the Red Rocks shows August '87. In the stands night 3 and one of them says "Back when Jerry was in a coma I would have gladly listened to a full show of Jerry playing nothing but US Blues over and over and over." Then he gets this sort of crazy look and a big smile and adds "But not anymore!! You hear that Jerry?!" Those were the days. It was all good. Personally I really like the tune - just quintessential Hunter/Garcia. Some of those early versions in '73 and '74, particularly coming out of some crazyspace jam, are just killer. And of course you don't have to go any further than the GD Movie to see just how fun it could be.

I love it! I love it! I love it!

yep right there with that sentiment! fun reading that show review. Thanks Dave, Jeffrey, Matt Adams, and all the folks who make this happen. And once again, thank you Betty for another super sweet recording!!

Dap 41

I have to go to Southboro to pick up my Dap 41. I like u.s. blues also. I like filler too. I figure it as a bonus since it came from a show that may not be released.

Less is more

It's all down to personal choice, of course, but I have never been keen on fillers. I agree with HF - I didn't like them in the taping days and I don't like them now. I really don't feel the need to have every second of every cd/record filled with music. Adding music from another show seems to be done with the idea that the more quantity there is, the more value for money there is. But it's not, in my view-it's quality that counts.

Some of the best books ever written have been quite small-I have a copy of "The Outsider" here by Albert Camus. 120 pages long - and that's it. One of the best novels of the 20th C. They haven't added another 100 pages from one of his other books at the end to pad it out.

Same with records - the 4th side of "Blonde On Blonde" - the one with "Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands" on, is just a shade over 11 minutes long. What a travesty it would have been if they had added some more tracks on at the end to bring it up to 20 minutes. Irrespective of how good those tracks may have been in themselves.

Having said that - the vinyl Dicks Picks 36 has no less than 6 L.P.s worth of 9/21/72 on it. And then there is a 7th L.P. with some of 9/3/72 on it. I think that's alright! Maybe because it is a seperate disc, and not tagged on at the end of one with music from the main show.

Talk of U.S. Blues - I like the 1974 versions - and generally speaking I like up tempo songs, however slight they might appear.
And 1968 - bring it on! It is the 54th anniversary after all.

More special releases

How about an april '69 box. There at least 14 shows to choose from and ... The Ark!

Dave's 41 was my 1st. show,…

Dave's 41 was my 1st. show, stoked! Liner notes are for real Dead on.

April 1969 box

Avalon Ballroom & Ark, I second that.

me and filler

to quote Bill Graham from 4/29/71

"mawr mawr mawr"!

and now disco..."more more more, how do you like it, how do you like it, more more more"

zum Beispiel:
that Scarlet Fire on the Dickus Pickus 5/6/81 (11/1/79)
9/2/80 chunk
etc.

a little something

watched a documentary on Gordon Lightfoot the other night

GD got a mention as a band that covered Early Morning Rain (on the 11/3/65 Autumn sessions)

Gordon then took up residence in my head for about two days after the documentary

"sundown you better take care..."

time to bash the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" again

Dolly Parton???
Lionel Richie???
Dionne Warwick???
Duran Duran?????????????????

MC5 ok
Judas Priest well at least they are rocknroll

where's MOTORHEAD?????????????

MC5 weren't messing

I was sorry to read that the MC5 are in the rock n'roll hall of fame. One of the greatest rock bands of all time, and surely beyond the world of middle of the road rock awards. You will be telling us The Cramps are in there next.
About three years ago, Wayne Kramer played in London - still inspirational, playing every note as though his life depended on it.
Incidentally, there is a dvd of what was left of the MC5 in 2003 playing live in London featuring guest vocalists-one of whom happens to be Lemmy on the 5's "Sister Anne".

Rock & Roll HOF

Has become a total joke!
Cardboard Jerry had it right.
Little Jann is even more a sell out than his old man.

AND, on another sour note:
Are you people ever satisfied with anything? FFS!

I can't get no

satisfaction

MC5 nominated

Dolly Parton...Lionel Richie...

they are NOT rocknroll

Jerry in the Chefs' hall of fame?
Bob Weir in the Knitters' hall of fame?
Lemmy in the Country hall of fame?

Barbed Wire Whipping Party's words of wisdom (or something like this):

The other day I went to Mars and talked to God
And he told me to tell you to hang tight and don't worry
The solution to everything is death

so satisfaction is unattainable

RE:PF “so a, at least we got that going for us”

“ which is nice” lol.

Actually, if you remember those tasty treats JG whipped up during intermission on that (87?) NYE show…lol

R&R Hall of Fame

Another irrelevant self-congratulatory club that has absolutely no basis in reality. I'm surprised that people on here are so knowledgeable about it. Is it a big deal over there in the US?

Got it

I was a little worried when my buddy in the Seattle area got his two days ago, was mine lost? He got a shipping notice last week, I've seen nothing. Good news, my copy arrived yesterday, sans any notice. YAY!
Grate mix by Betty, like others have noted, you can hear all the instruments really clearly. Listening to first set, I must say Donna sounds great on Passenger and Looks like Rain. I also like the early slower version of Jack-a-roe, it has more of a loping feeling, not so rushed like later versions.

Oleo

Thanks DAVEROCK, for another well thought out and erudite opinion on bonus material. I disagree, but your argument was so strong, I almost bought in!! That's the beauty of sharing opinions. We don't have to agree, but it's surely ok to listen to a differing point of view. It won't hurt!!
Returned to work(finally!!) after the better part of 3 weeks sick. Thanks again for the well wishes. Much appreciated. Have not received 41 yet, but I know it will get here. I'm very excited to play it multiple times.
Regarding R&R Hall of Fame, again, this is just one asshole's opinion, but I think it was great for about 6 years or so, but at this point it's like the Grammys became to me about 1980, irrelevant and quite meaningless. A popularity contest basically.
Anyway, we here at deadnet are creating our own Mt. Rushmore's!!
That is all(for now!!).

Music Is The Best!!

It's He-ere!!!

Dap #41 has arrived, thenk ye gods, and it happened on a day when I could just plunk it in the player and listen to the whole thing. So I did. Can’t add much to what’s already been said: it’s pretty typical spring ’77, which is to say typically great, with typically good Betty board sound, typically good energy good voices good playing all around, a very “together” version of the GOGD.

And typical of the DaPs, it’s an untypical set list for the era, with no wide open jamming. For me, it was kind of nice to hear after residing in ’69 for a couple weeks. I thought the “Sugaree” and “High Time” were about as good as they ever get, and disc 3 is so good, from beginning to end, I’m sure I’ll be playing it a lot.

I do agree that the inclusion of the 1990 “US Blues” is jarring. It’s pretty weird to suddenly hear a Brent solo come barging in when you’re in a ‘70s set mindset. If the TPTB are listening, I would like to add my voice to those who prefer that any filler be pulled from the same tour.

The RnR HoF? I have no idea why it exists. There really isn’t much need to further honor the true hall of famers like the Beatles, Stones, Who, Zep, Dead. I suppose there’s some value in putting influential but lesser known artists, like say the Velvet Underground, alongside the acknowledged giants, because maybe it prompts some people to go check ‘em out. And it’s good that lesser known founding fathers (and mothers) like Howlin Wolf and Ma Rainey get some recognition. But the Hall has left out so many influential-but-relatively unknown artists (Gram Parson, Captain Beefheart, to name just two) and founding fathers (no Charlie Parker? are you shitting me?). And it seems to induct every top-selling but artistically bankrupt superstar act (too many to mention). And not a few leisure-suited music industry weasels whose sole contribution was ripping off the artists and accepting payola. It can’t be taken seriously.

one more re RnRHoF

1. I see the topic in the news source I frequent (Seattle Times), and so my puppydog attention is fetched.
2. I see nominees that have NOTHING to do with rocknroll. That's why my silk panties get knotted up.

"Pizza nominated for pencil hall of fame."

Mr. Natural sez: "The whole universe is completely insane!"

Yep.

I got #41 but it is still shrink wrapped.

"Soon...it would be soon"
- Waldo Jeffers

R&R Hall of Fame Nominees....

....are you kidding me?
Had to look up Fela Kuti. "He is regarded as the pioneer of Afrobeat, an African music genre that combines traditional Yoruba percussion and vocal styles with American funk and jazz."
Funk. And. Jazz. Ok.
At least they got Benatar, Priest, RATM and New York Dolls right.
DEVO and Eminem are questionable. Good to see The Eurythmics on the list. I assumed Judas Priest were already in. Sad. Doubly sad if they aren't like automatic.
And still no Iron Maiden, Phish or Smashing Pumpkins. Effin stupid.

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