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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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  • Vguy72
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    ....the OG "power band".
    "His reason was spent" - damn Oroboros. I never thought of that lyric that way.
    And 1stShow with the Men Without Hats nod. Love it.
    I tried a heart emoji there. Are those not permitted either?

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    Didn't I see a version of that on PBS? Broken up by the usual begging?
    The band was all legends.

    Do it Dave. It's just not Our House without two cats in the yard.
    Cheers

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    Dennis - it seems to be available in all sorts of configurations. The one I have is called The Black and White show and has "30" embossed on the cover. It's got a cd and a dvd, with a "secret" bonus post show selection of songs on the dvd and available for download - just 5 alternative versions of songs from the main show. The main show has 19 songs, with Pretty Woman played twice.
    I've just played it again to see if it's as good as I remember it. It's not...it's better!

    I'm beginning to wonder if I should get a pet, reading some of the posts on here. The last one died about 45 years ago.

  • 1stshow70878
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    A lot on the last few Tapers. Not one I would think of for a box though. Sometimes you just gotta poke around.
    Oro, thanks for sharing. Brought back hilarious scenes of my Japanese Bobtail who ruled the dogs. She was likely dumped in our trailer park and knew the whole place. Saw her a couple times by the dumpster and the wife tried to feed her. Eventually she figured out we had cats and did fence top traverses to get on our roof and look in the yard. The rotted overhanging rafter 2x4 broke under her weight and we found her lounging on the homemade cat condo. Decided we were OK I guess. This gorgeous beast had rear legs the size of a large rabbit and would harass the yippy little dogs a few houses away. You could tell she enjoyed it. She'd hear them yipping and jump over the 6 ft. wooden fence and then go and just sit in the middle on the drive right next to their house and stare at them until they went away. Total badass!
    Cheers

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    Hopefully something I dont reeeeeally want or need

    Anything after 85 meets my definition of that

  • Dennis
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    Ok Dave, you made me buy.

    I appear to have the original cd. I just bought the re-release of the original cd, which is supposed to be re-editted, re-mastered and redone in general. Has all the songs from the tv show, put back in the order in which the audience heard them.

    Hell, it was 14 bucks for a 2 cd set,,,, what the hell.

    It was Dave recommended!

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    Didn’t want to go here, but so many have shared such personal stories, and got me all choked up, which then makes me think of my dog Iko, which gets me more choked up! He was crazy as a youngin, but eventually turned into a really good, well trained dog.

    Got him in fall 82 when he was 6 weeks and just barely old enough to be taken from his mother. I picked him out of the big liter because even at like 3 weeks old, while the others wouldn’t leave momma, he was already wandering off and getting into trouble, hence the name.
    Beautiful black lab/husky with white collar, white tips on tail and feet, with cute white nose.
    Used to take him everywhere when he was little. Had a nap sack I wore backwards inside my jacket so I could shove him inside when I needed to go into stores etc since I didn’t have a car. On top of all his other wonderful qualities, he was a total chick magnet!
    Mom wouldn’t let him in the house, or even look at him because she didn’t want to go through getting attached and then having to endure losing him etc. Eventually she couldn’t help herself, he was allowed in, and they became inseparable!
    Anyway, I was constantly moving in and out and increasingly just plain gone a lot. When I moved out west years later he was so used to being there with the folks to give him regular care etc, that we decided it was best for him to stay there. It was hard for me, but best for him.
    The sad part was as he approached the end. He had been going downhill fast when I came home for Xmass in 97.
    My father said it was like he knew and was waiting for me. The vet had said he wouldn’t make it that long. After I got home, we took him to the vet again and they said that due to various reasons his temperature was so high he was burning up inside, his brain was boiling and his reason was spent.
    Said the humane thing to do was put him down, so we made an appointment and did the difficult but right thing.
    If only we could show such mercy on our peeps, but I digress.
    It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do, but so glad he waited for me to come home and to be with him.
    The thing that made me realize it was time, was that he barely touched his dog biscuit/bone. He lived for those milk bone treats, but the last one I gave him he barely touched so I took that as a sign. I still have that milk bone 25+ years later. Sits in my special cabinet with my box sets and other most personal items, including a picture of him and the beer I saluted him with after his passing.
    Before, as we waited in the car, I held him and told him what a good boy he was and how much we all loved him, and how sorry I was that I had to leave him when I moved. When it was time, I held him and looked in his eyes while they gave the injection etc. Agonizingly hard, but so glad I was able to be there with/for him, especially since I didn’t get the chance to say goodbye to my childhood dog. Pops took that guy while I was away because he thought it’d be easier. I was so pissed and wasn’t going to let that happen again.
    Ok, I’m crying now at a construction site getting funny looks, so what. Perhaps the deepest connection with anyone I’ve ever had!
    Like the David Bromberg version of Mr Bojangles, after all these years I still grieve. I try not to think about it too much because for whatever reason it still just crushes me, more than all the other peeps and pets I’ve lost?
    There was just something about him. But since you all brought me back to all that, figured I’d share.
    Sorry for the Debbie downer.
    So on a funnier note: lived with a cat at a friends house, actually several over the year’s. He had one black cat named Sable that was generally not a very nice cat. She used to go around the neighborhood and routinely kick the crap outta all the small dogs, forget about cats!
    She and I got along ok because I left her alone, we had an understanding lol. She used to like to hang in my room so she could be left alone. If I went in there, she’d usually just get all hissy and leave, but she never attached me like some folks. People would come over to watch football or whatever, and of course try the usual “hey kitty kitty” and try and pet her etc. She’d have none of that, especially from interlopers, her housemates she tolerated because she had to lol. So after she’d spit and hiss, and tell ‘em to fuck off and leave her be, many folks would shit talk her and call her names etc. well she didn’t appreciate that and was so smart, and vengeful, she’d sit and wait and stew until the offender was probably half in the bag and long since forgotten the cat. So just at the right time, as the clueless offenders hand was dangling beside the chair, she’d strike and boy she could do some damage if you had really pissed her off! We used to warn people, “don’t try to pet, and don’t shit talk the cat” but they usually didn’t listen. After the retribution, we’d have to say, sorry, but we tried to warn ya!
    Her favorite thing in life was racing cars. She’d wait on the side of the sorta busy street we were on, and try to run in front of cars at the last second. Pretty crazy but she loved it and was very good until Halloween night one year when she just wasn’t quick enough. Poor guy brought her to the house half dead and all upset. We told him not to worry as hardly anyone would miss her, but it was still sad, even a mean cat is still part of the family, and I never thought she was mean, just wanted to be left alone so we got along fine. In fact I liked her because she was so different!
    Ok, sorry, back to your Drumz/space!

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    Lands in the maritimes in record time, on a day off to boot. Bonus disc lead to an enjoyable time (as possible) cleaning the fridge. Digging so far.

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    Yes, Roy Orbison. There's a great live cd/dvd of him in concert in 1987, called The Black&WhiteNight. 19 incredible songs sung to perfection - and with a stellar band. Not least of which is James Burton on guitar. Highly recommended to music lovers everywhere.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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Hung over, barely conscious, slumped in the lazy boy, bit of drool on the chin? Watching highlights.
Get a grip man, it’s only game one so far!!
When the going gets weird…
It was a tale of two cities: the AVs came down on the Preds like their namesake on a small Swiss village, but ESPN had to ruin it, at least for moi. Because of the never ending Rangers/Pens game (Boo!) they sent the AVs game to another channel. Well if your recording the game like I’m guessing a significant population ahem, you probably were unaware of this situation until it was too late, Dooaahh!
So only caught part of the first and the third periods. Hopefully the AVs are THAT good, and this wasn’t a fluke?
Tonight we’re turning Canadian again (actually I’m part Canadian already) and heading back to the TO where hopefully the Leafs will show us there for real this year and not the Leaves again!
GO LEAFS!!

I know it is one game, but I told you the Avs were good. And still the team to beat.

Look at it this way, at least you recoded the rangers/pens game and not a Hallmark movie. What a game. The rangers looked like they were going to blow them out after period 1. Chalk it up to inexperience.

Good luck to the Leafs tonight. I was very surprised by how flat Tampa was in game 1. Expecting a much better effort tonight.

Edmonton - WTF? Way to give away game 1.

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Hockey:

It's hard to watch with the constant camera motion. I get motion sickness.

Also, never been a big hockey fan.

I have made my "I leave sports alone to avoid disappointment" comments previously, too.

And, don't you have to pay to watch the playoffs on the telly?

I do enjoy watching y'alls comments on the playoffs.

last 5
Boris - Feedbacker
13th Floor Elevators - Live (amazing cover art, horrific production...studio tracks with canned audience applause and cheers and stuff)
Gov't Mule - Dub Side of the Mule (didn't make it to the end)
Nashville Pussy - High as Hell
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon

GD: 5/25/77 (disc three awaits)

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True to form, my DaP is likely sitting in some Customs house, where it will remain for days waiting for clearance. It’s amazing how I can order CDs from Germany, Switzerland, and the UK, and it is generally ten calendar days door to door, but DaP will be minimum 14, 15+ days.

As for the playoffs, I have great faith that Colorado is going to be in the final. They are a team built for the body burn that is the playoffs; they crushed a decent Nashville team last night like they were a college practice squad. Tonight, let thy might Leafs take another step up the rung with another win. Everyone says Tampa played so poorly. Hey. props to them as a good team, but maybe, just maybe, the Leafs are that good.

Oro - Before taking out citizenship here, let me tell you we have a useless waste of space for a “leader”. And don’t get me going on the taxes to pay for this moron’s brainstorms…

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BETTER than 05-08-77
YES I SAID IT!!!!!!!

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Excellent choice of shows. Great Here Comes Sunshine and one of the best locomotive Big Rivers and effervescent Eyes Of The World that exist. Sound is wonderful. Having said all that, how about printing all enclosed reading material (speaking of Wasserman's column specifically) large enough to read. Please. Even with readers I had to get a magnifying glass and I can't be the only one. Thank you.

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!!!

I WAS GOING TO SCAN IT IN JUST SO I COULD BLOW UP ENOUGH!!!

The other thing is when text color and background color and font all clash into something you can't read.

Yellow letters on a black background, may sound good, but damn that can be a hard one!

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@wissinoming
I've never heard the first set but the second set is superb. IMHO, the best Comes A Time ever. I've skipped back and played it 4 or 5x in a row. I wish this was in the May 77 box instead of 5-5.

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As already pointed out, the sound on this one is top shelf. Oro that was for you compliments of RJ.

As also mentioned, the boys had difficulty with the vocals for the first few songs. Suboptimal, yes, but it doesn’t really take away from the rest of the music. HCS is unbelievable. The vocals on that song are large the irrelevant anyway. To me that has always been unbelievably jammed out first set song. Love hearing it during this era.

I can’t read the liner notes either. However, a non-music highlight for me is the quote from the chick from Hayward on the inside cover.

When I was growing up we lived near a concrete spillway. On it was spray painted Uriah Heep. Next to it scrawled in smaller letters was the saying “ The Grateful Dead is for your head.” I never understood what it meant growing up. Now I do.

Go Leafs.

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You're absolutely correct it's that Playin>Comes A Time>Playin sequence that makes it. And I agree this show more than ever beckons a full Norman. As far as the first set IMO the L.L. Rain is the BEST ever played and the set closing Dancin is BETTER than the gem played 05/08. It's also one the best SB's I ever heard. Yeah MAY the 4th BE WITH YOU!!!!

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I didn’t lick it, saving that for the weekend.

Small print and using similar colors for text and background, definitely a major fail.
I stopped trying to read the booklets years ago.

I really like this Playing in the Band so far…

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Just arrived. Will give it a spin tonight.

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Greetings All.

A question for your collective, valued knowledge and recollection. Does anyone know or recall if "Dave" had produced a video to announce the release of the Europe '72 Box set back in, was it 2011? Or was the official release only posted on Dead.net in a written announcement? I have tried various searches, but I cannot seem to locate any information on a video announcement for the release.

Any help with this question would be appreciated.

Hope everyone has a nice day.

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Spacebrother,

Please check your PM.

No way school authorities in East LA would've put sharp skates and hardwood sticks in the hands of a bunch of rowdy Chicano kids...

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....that song holds a special place in my ❤️. It was the first GD song I listened to after Jerry passed. Had a tape in my truck stereo.
Got off work and headed to my friend's house. We just listened to the Dead all night and barely said a word. Smoked a lot. Nothing had to be said.
Still miss you big guy.
"And it's strange how no one comes around anymore".
We had just mail ordered for MSG. Would have been our first east coast shows. Money orders were returned.
Some heads actually got physical tix back. I'm actually grateful we didn't. Is that weird?
Edit. Slipknot! tease in the Playin' y'all!! I wonder if that was random and Jerry wrote down that riff for future use or if they were already working on it.
Interesting.
Double edit for spoilers. Apologies. But it's cool AF. Gonna rewind. I'll be right back.

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I like the china cat loafing on a speaker on the back of the bonus disk sleeve.

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Jerry sounds really into it on the vocals on sugaree. He really stresses out the words like he popped a quaalude or two, which is a good thing.

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It’s been in “USPS currently awaiting package” purgatory for five days now. Beginning to suspect in a couple of weeks I’ll have to drop customer service a line and hope there’s a replacement copy available. Went through this with one of last year’s releases. Most aggravating.

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aka: Cinco de Mayo.
The victory over the French oppressors.
Viva Mexico!
Salud!
I'm really just at the party for the food.

It only serves to aggravate.

Get refreshed and reaquaint yourself with your GD collection for a few days. Daves 42 will show up quick.

It's like the phrase "a watched pot never boils"

Maybe that's a family thing...

But anyway, rejoice! Daves 42 will get to you!!!

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There were no video announcements of Dead products back then. I DO recall getting updates as to how many discs it would take to finish the set. Either they were still getting tapes, or they hadn't quite worked out how to best present these complete shows on discs.
I cannot recall exactly when the video announcements came, though I am confidant that one of our brother "Heads" will come up with the answer to this riddle.
I'm still waiting for my Dave's 42, but still listening to other great stuff:

Phish-8/11/21 Hershey Park
Elton John-Capt. Fantastic & The Brown Dirt Cowboy
Al DiMeola-Casino
Paul Bley-Fragments
Bruce Springsteen-Letter To You

Music is the BEST!!

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makes me reach out to those who are enduring that ish for real.

May Peace Prevail on Earth.

Joseph Campbell said, "The Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb." (that might be a paraphrase, but I read it somewhere)

GRATEFUL DEAD FOR EVERYONE!!!

"there's a party in my mind
and I hope it never stops"
-TH

What to wear? What to listen to on the drive? Packing and heading out the door in a bit...Vegas for A Cinco with Mariachi Vargas and then tomorrow night Lobos at Boulder Station (which is where I'm staying...always good to take an elevator to a show)...Now where's those French tourists I can slap around to celebrate???

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Missing not being in Vegas, drinking tequila with vguy this year! But I'll have a remote shot or three!

Listening to 1st Olympia night from RSD Vinyl today and sounds sweet. Have not had a chance to taste latest DaP. Entering the convergence where E'72 and May77 collide.

Trying to stay focused... My DaP1 vinyl is arriving on Mother's Day - woops...

Stay safe and have a fun 5/5!

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...number 1152 has landed, yesterday! A day earlier than predicted by UPS!

So far the Dire Wolf, Here Comes Sunshine, and that awesome jam after Let it Grow stand out for me. Someone commented that Jerry is really stretching out the lyrics in his singing Sugaree, that's for sure.

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I appreciate your time in replying to my post. I have found videos announcements going back to Dave's Picks #1. I do remember the 'unboxing' of Spring 90 video, but nothing before that.

Those videos have been made available for some time now, on the GD videos channel on Youtube.

Thank you again for your time.

Hope you have a nice day and your DaP 42 arrives today.

Regards.

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A drawing had various song lyrics intertwined into drawing

One set of lyrics said

Trouble ahead
Ttouble behind

I found that to be cool

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"Taking an elevator to a show" sounds like an implicit invitation to overdo the tah-kill-ya... Don't do anything I wouldn't do, Nappyrags!

Finally arrived at the last disc of St Louis box, said to be the killer in the box. That's tonight. Then I turn to DP 42.

Still pondering the imponderable: what kind of box has TPTB been cooking up?

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After learning that my order was “returned to sender” due to a “bad address,” I reached out to Rhino. A person named Dr. Rhino immediately responded and offered to send a replacement. 48 hours later, the USPS recognized their mistake and delivered the package. I wrote Dr. Rhino and told him to cancel the replacement. I share this post to say that Rhino didn’t mess up, but they were willing to fix the problem. I know that saying positive things about Rhino isn’t popular, but here we are.

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....one of the best aspects of this site, is connecting with like minded music loving folks.
Meeting up with Nappy tomorrow at the Los Lobos gig.
Looking very much forward to it.

Should be great, have fun.

One word of advice. if Nappy comes alone, you should be fine, however.. if he comes with his cat it's a set up and all bets are off. Were pretty sure that cat is responsible for some shady and unexplained occurances.

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"Still pondering the imponderable: what kind of box has TPTB been cooking up?"

Hello.

It's been a couple years I have been pondering what a birthday box would look like...

What birthday show of each member of the band would you like too see included in the box?

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I'll Bite

Phil
03/15/69
Hilton Hotel - San Francisco, CA

Bobby
10/16/81
Club Melk Weg - Amsterdam, Netherlands

Billy
05/07/89
Frost Amphitheater, Stanford University - Palo Alto, CA

Pigpen
With 9/8/73 being recently released... this was a tough one
09/08/91
Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY

Mickey
09/11/83
Santa Fe Downs - Santa Fe, NM

Jerry
08/01/73
Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ

Keith
07/19/89
Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI

Donna
08/22/68
Fillmore West - San Francisco, CA

Tom - going with 3/19/77 knowing this show really should be released with the Winterland Spring 1977 Box Set.
03/19/77
Winterland Arena - San Francisco, CA
(honorable mention - 03/19/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY)

Bruce
11/23/73
County Coliseum - El Paso, TX

Vince
02/21/69
Dream Bowl - Vallejo, CA

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no email, no tracking, nothing, nada, but it arrived anyway. Just heard that usps will be upping the cost to mail letters and packages, what else is new.
Quaaludes, I remember reading or hearing about a show that someone gave Jerry some ludes, it did not go well.

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I'll only use shows that they played on. : Phil. 3/15/69. Black & White Ball S.F. PIG. Pen9/8/67. Eagles Auditorium WA. Bob. 10/16/74. Winterland, Bill. 5/7/70. MIT. Jerry. 8/1/73. N.J. Mickey. 9/11/81. Greek Theatre ( I was there, it was a killer show. They sang Mickey happy birthday before the show. Now that is a killer box set.

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This is addressed to ALL on this site. You guys and gals are the Best!! Somedays, my only laughs come from you. Keep it up, we all need to smile.
Hoping for a Da's 42 delivery this weekend!!

Music is the Best(Too)!!

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For Jerry's 31st birthday on 08/01/73 at Roosevelt Stadium - Jersey City, NJ. I clearly recall a woman sitting on a man's shoulders at the lip of the stage handing a bday cake to a roadie while the band was on stage. I could see Jer smiling from 100 feet away. And that's pretty much my ONLY memory of that two-nighter with The Band, as it occurred mere days after the two-dayer at Watkins Glen. I was all of 15, but getting wiser by the day. Man, were we crisp.

Back to JimInMD on the upcoming box, with a nod to Vguy and Nappy gettin' crazy with Los Lobos. Wish I was there.

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You got that right!!! Folk here are the best ...

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Missed it by this much. Once it got rolling, 42 looked like it might get here ahead of schedule, then it sat for four days in GJ, was “supposed” to be here yesterday, PO has it now, so went, but hasn’t processed it. Anticipation, it’s making me wait!

FOURWINDS: nice to see you, fun box idea, I’ll bite:
VINCE: 73 or 91 whoops, sorry Vince!
PHIL: 73
TOM: 73, whooops, missed the 73 first time
BILLY: 89, or 78
KEITH: 89
JERRY: 73! Dark Star!
DONNA: 72
PIG: 91 Good Show
MICKEY: 73 Dark Star!
BOBBY: 74 or 81
BRENT: 73
BRUCE: 73

NAPPPY and VGUY: I smell trouble! Yes, I’m jealous!

JOSHOGORMAN: great news! Doc to the rescue again!

Glad most are enjoying the new tunes!

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just sayin

and thank you, Mr Ones

this is a place for my psyche to express itself and to hear from other crazies

y'all be cool

I like the way you think.. except some of these shows either were not recorded or the tapes do not exist (thinking 9/8/67, etc.). Don't give Rhino any ideas suggesting we might pay for a rare yet empty box set, they might go for it.

Proudfoot.. oh crap, I forgot Vince. So sorry, adding it now.

Mr. Ones, thank you, and right back at you.

PT Barnum, could it have been Valium instead? I recall reading a show where someone was giving them out backstage and Jerry jumped at the opportunity, downed a few and as it turns out he might have been allergic to Valium. 2/7/79?? Words of Wisdom from Jeff Spicoli, "People on ludes should not drive" (or play guitar and sing at the same time)

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