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    One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

    First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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    First off, welcome back Dennis! I totally understand on the Charles Lloyd set. I did pick
    up the first “trio” CD (the one with Frisell), but haven’t had a chance to play it yet. Expectations are high. I don’t think the vinyl box set is limited issue (I don’t think), so no rush to get it yet. I didn’t realize until yesterday that Lloyd & Frisell played the Ottawa Jazz Festival this past weekend, which is only a 4 hour car hike from here, and would have been a great weekend trip for the wife and I. Like the Toronto Maple Leafs - next time(sorry for the hockey talk Dennis). PS - I have some albums by the “other” Bill Evans, the sax player (he has played with Hornsby) - he is a decent player. Tell me your impressions of the Miles album when you can.

    Sixtus/Oro - I was thinking another way to approach this “Which Artists” to listen to for piano jazz, since the lists everyone provided were really great, but perhaps overwhelming, is to approach it more organically, ie - the kneebone is connected to the shinbone etc. Start with a jazz artist you perhaps know, and see what side players he or she plays with. Who contributes to their sound? Or labels. Blue Note, a great jazz label for generations is a great one to start with. A great many recordings in the 50s & 60s on that label were produced by Rudy Van Gelder. Like all Producers, he had “go to” musicians he would call into the studio to back an artist. Tony Williams, drummer, is making a solo album, Van Gelder may call on a young Herbie Hancock, or Wayne Shorter, Joe Henderson etc. Next, Shorter is making an album, who backs him up? How about all the truly remarkable musicians Miles Davis worked with? Four of them became star keyboard players in their own right: Jarrett, Corea, Hancock, and Zawinul (who had a budding career with Cannonball Adderley).
    I always found in music in general, and jazz in particular, the kneebone is connected to the shinbone; you like “this”, you’ll definitely like “that”.

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    1st show and jingles

    I have an LP of Winston cigarette ads that were played on the radio. My father got this from somewhere, I was maybe 16. Still have.

  • Dennis
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    Don't forget Jeff Chimenti,,, who I think is better than Keith.

    Some mentioned Bill Evans piano player.

    I just got in my vinyl copy of Miles Davis Live - What it Is - Montreal 7/7/83. Reading the back cover and there is Bill Evans, only he's playing saxes and flutes. So I looked it up,,, it said this.....

    This double LP release features one of Miles Davis' final great bands: John Scofield on guitar, Bill “The Other Bill Evans” Evans on saxophones, flute and electric piano, Darryl Jones on bass, Al Foster on drums, and percussionist Mino Cinelu.

    So there are two Bills. I think one must have a goatee and be from the evil universe!

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    Can't talk piano players without mentioning Keith Godchaux, at one time one of the greatest piano players 9n Earth.

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    We have the same blessing/curse of remembering esoteric things like jingles. Every cigarette, beer, cereal, appliance, and car ad had a jingle. Now they just steal a song we all liked and now can't stand as they've ruined it for us. Really, "Everybody Damp Rid"? Or "All Right Now" for a drug I don't need? One of the favorite games my wife and I play is to jam together songs and jingles that have nothing to do with each other. You start with Red Red Robin and end up at the Woody Woodpecker theme then Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend or the Dick Van Dyke show. Likely because we can't remember the whole thing anyway. I think the advertisers in the 60's had evil intentions for our little spongy brains. I'm the youngest of three and the back seat of the car was where I might subject my sisters to hours long renditions of This Old Man. "Mom, make him stop!" Unfortunately an earworm can really screw up my day even now. So the cure is to just have music on all the time. Music is the best.
    Cheers

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    Only gone for 4 days I come back to 17 pages of "stuff"! (ok, once I stripped away hockey it was only a half page :-) )

    Too much to cover or comment on,,,,, but I try a little.

    That Mike - Chuck Lloyd, thanks for the heads up. Chuckie will be on back burner for now. 600 bucks for the 24 albums and a box set yet to come?!?! My wife's wallet does have limits!

    Springsteen,,,, ok I'm from Jersey, past that, Bruce appeared in my life at the right time I guess. His songs always speak to me of hope and the struggles of the working stiff.

    Disco - I was big on the disco ball. Back in the late seventies with Frankie Crocker on WBLS,,,, stereo in black. I believe you'd find a lot of recording technics came out of the that disco vein.

    Couple of unmentioned disco headphone songs,,,, Peter Brown - Do You Want to Get Funky with Me. CJ & Co - The Devil's Gun, or Santa Esmeralda - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood. GREAT, GREAT album of day and GREAT GREAT headphone album,,,, Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band!!!!

    Zappa,,, I keep buying his "stuff", I like a chunk, a chunk can be tedious. Sometimes GREAT ability does not translate to enjoyable. If you're a musician maybe you can be awed by technical, but if you're an idiot like me you can't tell he just played an augmented Major G in a diminished F. Also the twice I caught Frank he seemed to think he was doing you a favor by playing and you should be thankful he did!

    Jazz piano,,,, you read the list people posted and you like, oh yeah, him. I like when some said don't forget tatum and liberace. On the Oscar front, my buddy is a huge fan. Caught him whenever he played. He had an album called something like "for my friends". He had this one cut where he was playing song "a". Right hand carried the melody and left belting out rhythm. All of sudden left hand started playing a different song , "B". So now he's playing two songs at the same time. Notes from song "A" start walking down to the bass end, while song "B" starts walking to high end. The two hands cross each other while jamming out and poof, back to one song "A". I was wowed to say the least! :-)

    Charlie 3 - Ipanema (great tune). I used to go to this restaurant/coffee house/bar. They would have bands, small venue 20-30 people listening to this group. They started playing Ipanema and out of this crowd comes this woman steps up to the mike and starts sing the lyrics in Portuguese and she sounds exactly like the origial! Song ended and she went back and sat down. Blew the room away and I think the band!

    Mr Ones,,,, I pretty sure I have the motown hippo stuff

    Finally an incredible flash-back moment. Sorting thru the latest treasure trove of music I've recently received I stumbled across Miriam Makeba,,, name meant nothing to me. Wiki said she was the voice of Africa (or something like that). Sorted and filed all. I always listened to pieces of what I add to my collection so I have some idea of what's what. So it looked like a cut "pata pata" was her big hit. I put it on and my head exploded. I knew the song, but had not thought about it since it came out. I mean I had not THOUGHT at all about it, which is odd for me since I have almost every tune I know running thought my head at all time. Even the childhood ones I learned in 1st grade!! I don't think a month goes by when I don't find myself singing the Erie Canal! Trust me I've never navigated on it, but sing about once a month. :-) Commerical jingles always run though me,,,,, remember this one,,,, My beer is Reingold the dry beer, think of Reingold whenever you buy beer. It's refreshing, not sweet, it's the extra dry drink. Would try extra dry Reingold beer?

    Like Monk,,, it's a blessing,,,,,,,, and a curse! (mostly for the people that have to listen to me sing them :-) )

    Sorry for the ramble, but you did leave me 17 pages to comment on! (but no hockey comments thankfully)

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    Amazing piano solo on David Bowie's "Alladdin Sane". Decades ago, a mate of mine wrote to Mike Garson, asking for a transcription of the solo. Incredibly he got a reply. Not a transcription, though. If I remember rightly, Garson said he couldn't transcribe it if he tried. Hats off to him for replying though.

    Practising 4 hours a day for 15 years on any instrument is cheating. As the man said, we could all be good if we did that.

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    I'll go with the old school: Albert Ammons, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Willie "the Lion" Smith, Fats Waller.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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for Oro. Maybe already mentioned under the solo smooth background category.
George Winston - my personal favorite is his Linus & Lucy, The Music of Vince Guaraldi (a S.F. guy) who we all probably know subconsciously as he wrote Charlie Brown TV specials music.
- also his Forest release.
- any duet with Gary Burton (vibes) and Chick Corea.
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I have been listening to this podcast from it's first season. Currently it is covering the Europe 72 tour, show by show, venue by venue, days off adventures, with marvelous interviews with those of the 42 person entourage who were literally 'on the bus'. Wonderful stories abound, including great backstories of the new songs that made it to the official Europe 72 LP. Today I heard a great breakdown of all the characters referred to in Ramble on Rose, and the history of Morning Dew.

This podcast is making me consider going through the trunk again, this time just enjoying all the long jams.

PS Really enjoy all the discussion of Jazz masters. McCoy Tyner is one of my faves-seen him several times at Yoshies in Oakland. He used to play two week stands there right around my birthday. I would have a small birthday gathering of friends there, eating sushi, then we'd all go see the show. One time my friend passed him a note, and McCoy announced my name and it was my birthday! Sweet memories!

Someone on this forum mentioned Charles Mingus at Carnegie Hall a few months ago. I picked it up, nice mellow jazz, with a great pianist, Don Pullen. I really enjoy this and now I'm considering some of the other recommendations from you jazzy folk! Thanks for the great conversation.

Try The Giovanni Guidi Trio for some fine Italian piano based jazz. The City of Broken Dreams and This is the Day are well worth listening to...enjoying all the jazz talk!

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....be right back. Gotta listen to more of this guy. Has he been mentioned here before? If not, that's a damn shame.
Piano players you say? That Page McConnell guy from that band from Vermont is pretty good. ✌️

It occurred to me last night just how many new songs they played on this tour - and how few off "American Beauty", which was their last studio album at the time. Strange in a way, considering how good it is. Only "Truckin" and "Sugar Magnolia" were regulars-with just the one performance of "Brokedown Palace" as an encore for one show ( I think). Just goes to show how prolific they were at that time, I guess.

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Hey VGUY72. I heard them on JamOn on Sirius and downloaded a couple of shows off Nugs. They are an awesome band. Jam band for sure. My favorite so far is 4-9-21. Take a listen. I've wanted to see them but I really curtailed my concert going since covid.

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Goose was just brought to my attention 2 days ago, although I haven’t actually listened yet. Was going to check for video on utoob.

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Another band you guys need to check out is Umphrey's Mcgee. They are a little heavier than Goose but in my opinion the best band there is today. I've seen them about 25 times before covid, mostly on the rail, and for sure the best times I've had since seeing the Dead in the late 70's early 80's. You really need to check them out live to get the full effect but download a show or two. 10-20-17 from the Capitol in Port Chester is one I would recommend. I saw a private show in Garcia's bar next door right before this show. They played right under a picture of Jerry. A great night!!!

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11 28 80 and 11 30 80 have been released. Would 11 29 80 be released? Too close to the others? Not in the vault? No decent-enough copy?

Dave....let me take you out for a drink or 40 so I can take advantage of you....r knowledge of what's in the vault.

I'm sure Marye has a Deadphone connection straight to Dave; please tell him about my offer, Marye.

TIME IS EVAPORATING HERE, PEOPLE. LET'S GO!!!!

So we're maybe 17, possibly 18, and we head into NYC to catch The Thad Jones-Mel Lewis Big Band at the Vanguard, which is barely big enough for the band and triangle-shaped room of the classic tiny bar tables. T-shirts, jeans, long hair, natch. Maybe three or four of us. My buddy's dad had drummed for the Newark-based Savoy label and turned us on to real music beyond rock 'n roll. So we were on a mission.

We catch the first set and blow our money on several drinks apiece. Second set starts, waiter stops by, 'What'll you have?' 'Oh, nothing, we're good.' (We're now broke except train fare home.) 'I'm sorry boys, there's a one-drink minimum required.' 'We bought several in the first set, doesn't that count?' 'No. No it doesn't.' Maitre de comes over. 'Gentlemen, you'll have to buy a drink or leave.' A light goes on in my head.

'May we have a word in the kitchen?' I say... 'Sure,' says the maitre de, uncertain of my motives. So we go into the tiny kitchen, a cook is looking on, and I said, 'We'd like to stay for the second set, would this help?' And I pull out a fat bindle of blow and dump some on the steel steam table. (The maitre de's eyes are getting wider...) Then I pull out a bag of killer Columbian and place a few buds on the table. The maitre de smiles. 'Feel free to order whatever you like, it's on the house,' my new best friend says. Ah, New York City in 1975! Where there's a will there's a way... even for veritable kids on the loose.

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Hot Damn!

You people.

The outpouring of feedback and offerings of various artists in the pie-aner jazz genre is outstanding!
I have two pages of notes I've taken down to document the various artists/groups/albums to sift through. I've already been jumping in. Downright amazing.

We've said it before - I'll shout it once more - nothing tops this group in terms of on-the-spot musical offerings.
The swath of knowledge touches all corners and shades and it is so incredibly appreciated.

Enlightened,
Sixtus

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Heard through the grapevine that during Deadco webcast the President of rhino said new box will be a multi year box and announced in mid July. Also meet up at movies returning. I’m guessing Foxboro 87, 89 & 90. Any thoughts?

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Mid-July. Hmm... right before we realize how much we spent on the end of July deliveries and before we have them in hand so we'll be jonesing. Brilliant! As to a multi year guess, uh OK, I truly have no clue. But does multi year imply one venue as we have seen before?
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Trying not to get carried away, catching up. HF: fine stories from back in the day. In central Maine through mid 70s, our code name was CKR, for Columbian Killer Reefer, a huge step up from Mexican weed and standard grade Columbo. My how things have changed, local farmers gearing up, October 1st, retail sales begin in Vermont. Maine is way ahead of any other NE state in terms of retail, quality and value.

Forgot to mention Roosevelt Sykes for blues/barrelhouse piano. Saw Gary Burton and band play at a college chapel around 1971, outstanding. My second fave vibe after Hutcherson.

JJ Cale, indeed. A while back here, tagged a nicely done cover of Cale's "Same Old Blues Again" by the Terrapin Family Band with Neal Casal on location at TS, with that sweet Tulsa chug. Video can be found on the tube. Story goes, Cale was "discovered" after Clapton picked off "After Midnight" some fifty years ago. JJ's original remains the best, imho. He released several albums in the 70s that are well worth checking out.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, the 60s box must be about to be announced, fingers crossed there's several versions of Viola Lee Blues therein.

Ha.. too funny. I'll have to try that the next time I'm in NYC.

Word on the street is Sixtus is selling off his GD Box sets so he can pay for all the Blue Note box sets he just ordered. P.S. goes without saying, but don't breath a word of this to Mrs. Sixtus.

One of the next two Dave's Picks has got to be from 68 or 69. Just sayin'. Dave, hockey season is over, get cracking..

I also have it on good authority that a flock of Russian man-eating starlings has escaped, they are heading South and are expected to make it as far as Vancouver by the weekend. Much like fish are attracted to flash lures, these mutant starlings are attracted to jittery, tall, distracted people with a remote controls. I suggest filming the next reveal before the weekend.

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then my wallet will stay in my pocket

Unless it's Eugene...

Just sayin
No hate

Just that I personally have very little ongoing active interest in that era of GD

I have tried.

Mid July, huh?

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Cal Expo '89 - '90: The Complete Recordings

August 4-6, 1989
June 8-10, 1990

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I don't think the MUATM will be foxboro 89, they used that show already for a MUATM. And a great show by the way.

Alright, multi year box, cue Alpine Valley 87-89

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Chances are (nice song) if it is multi year, it’s going to cover different eras. That way they can have a mix of reels and cassettes/dats etc. I’m not sure they’d go full cassette/dat for a box yet as they still have many reels and then there’s the whole ABCD situation?
But if I’m correct about the above, there are just too many venues etc to try and guess, though my Great Dane Bix would fit the bill!
2/15/73
10/25/73
2/4/79
12/3/81
6/24/83

All good shows, just depends on tapes?

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Maybe the Lyceum vinyl box, momentous as it is, has cast a bit of a shadow over the next one of the year. For better or worse. Whatever is released next has that as company - and it may influence which year(s)are chosen. Or it may not.

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So I just dug through YouTube and Mark Pinkus guests on the Live Set II Preview from Wrigley Field 6/25/2022. Box will be announced mid-July and will be a multi year box. Same info I caught.

MUAM is a show they previously didn’t know existed.

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I'm so happy to hear that news is imminent on the box set front(and Dave's 43 also!!) Getting ready for fantastic discussions to come.

This is only relevant to anyone who had to wait a long time to receive a package(surely that's NEVER happened to anyone here) :)

Had a package shipped from TN, which is only 3 states away. It has travelled thus far, with 22 scans:

SE Tenn->NE Tenn->Central MD(where I live)->NE NJ->Wash D.C.->......

All of this has already taken the better part of 2 weeks. WHY??????

It's a good thing that Music is the Best!! Patience and understanding is the hardest part.

so far have tried first two discs of 3/20/92

meh

literally dozed off during Dark Star

92 aint their best year, true...

A while later...

I turned off 3/20/92 during Standing OTM. I guess you had to be there.

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7/29/88 is on Dave’s “list” of possibles that he’s been hitting hard and steady since he become the guy.
The China-Fingers-Rider is cool, but I think I recall the transitions weren’t spectacular, BUT, BUT, that PITB was pretty effin cool, sort old school psychedelic!

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Want 68, 69,70. Probably get 89, 90 ,91

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I don't text. What is MUATM or MUAM?
"previously didn't know existed" is intriguing.
The complete Cal Expo '89-'90 sounds good Nolan.
Can I afford 18 discs? No but WTF ( I know that one).
Cheers

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Meet up at the movies

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yes
on disc three
3/20/92 is all a distant memory now...there, there Proudfoot...

movie/film only recently discovered?

something from the 60s...please...or 11/8/70

I'll put $5 on it being 5/24/70

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MUAM = Meet Up At Movies
MAMU= Me And My Uncle
MUATM=Meet Up At The Movies
BIODTL=Beat It On Down The Line

I’m assuming Mark Pinkus meant a show they didn’t realize they had on video.

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meet up with me and my uncle at the movies

Listening to 11/2/85
Some 85 (Summer 85 box!!!)
I loves me some GD85

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11/24/78
Box Set '22, 5 shows from the Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pa.

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Warfield October 1980.

The video was mixed in with audio reels of the Fall 80 tour that they thought had been recorded over but actually weren’t.

Don’t get too excited, I made that up.

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Excellent video on Paul Motian in NYC, at the end of his career, with undertone of valiant struggle with cancer that would take him out. One of the great contemporary jazz drummers, unique in many ways. Insights into a performing artist, great clips with brief appearances by Chick Corea, Bill Frisell and many others, locations include Village Vanguard and Birdland. It can be streamed by some services. Opening the door for further explorations with favorite jazz drummers, such as Jack DeJohnette, Antonio Sanchez, Bill Bruford, Brian Blade, Jeff Watts

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Hmm. Maybe youz prankin'.

Upon further research, Wissinoming appears to be part of greater Philadelphia.

11 24 78...that would be cool.

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Shakedown goat?
(watch, this will bring HF outta the woodwork ; )

....there is a very good copy of video from a tasty portion of this show on yootooob; it's black and white if I recall (Nay! it's in color, I just checked) but crispy picture and sound. Pretty sure it includes the entire second set and the heavy Estimated > Shakedown from this show, which was a highlight for me despite Jer having a bit of laryngitis.

I will check out the aforementioned Bakedown GOAT from today in '85.

Be Well People.
Sixtus

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Saw a photo posted of the Cup in it's shipping case at the wrong house.
Hmm.. That Mike and Oro in a brilliant plan to seize it?
Mike finished the engraving then surreptitiously FedEx to Oro's.
But seriously, why would it go to the house next door to one of the player's house
and not straight to safekeeping for the parade today?
Helluva punch bowl for the party though.
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