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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #281
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    I was concerned, glad to hear you are well. Southwest of you I'm concerned, I still have friends in central florida, my mother lives down there (93 yrs old) but also dodged the main bullet, waiting for others to contact me. Mini vay kay play dead

  • #282
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    thanks, Doc

    Good to hear you and yours safe and sound. Thoughts go out to FL friends (so far, all good) and all who were so near the path. Almost at 1972 here, streaming the early December 1971 run at mini-MSG Felt Forum. A gloriously bright sunny Vermont day, fall foliage coming on, first frost tonight. Will pull the last peppers, tomatoes and basil out now.

  • #283
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    Love it! The Ess Amt-4 is a two-way with the slightly smaller Heil Air Motion Transformer and a 10" woofer rated 20W to 250W. They are 4 ohm, 45hz-24Khz, with the x-over at 1000hz, and called the sleeper in their killer line up from BITD. The best thing they have going is that Amt which delivers clear beautiful highs and solid mids in all directions from an open top design. Easy placement that way too. Look up their big boys, ESS Amt-1s and their Towers (I forget the number), well respected and still fetch four figure prices as parts units which tells you a lot. The Amt itself is indestructible and lifetime warranted. Mine had a solid pure pulp cone on that 10" which I have had to replace with a set of Misco, made in Minneapolis, Oaktron 10" from their Heritage line made to replace the similar stuff in all the brands from BITD. Same pure pulp cone and big voice coils and magnets but in a stamped steel frame just like the originals. Spec at 16-4000hz and 92 db efficiency.
    Got the ESSs cheap when almost new in 1977 from a college roomy who couldn't manage to get them back home to Cincy without a car. But then when the cat put a hole in one of the woofers in the 90s I replaced the originals with what I thought would be an upgrade but I screwed up. Bought subs that were 8-ohms by Pyramid, Super Pro Super Blue, made by Eminence in US ( Kentucky?) famous for their instrument speakers for bass and guitar. Great deal from a car audio shop going out of business and they took my torn ones in trade as well. As you know, that 8-ohm mistake changed the x-over to 2000hz and I traded off some midrange for killer, punchy bottom end which I thought at the time was good. Found out about five years ago that I screwed up and got the Miscos for about what I sold the now valuable subs for. Fit like a glove which no one who tried that swap with the only available 10" direct from ESS could do as all they sold was the big boy 10" from other higher models with a cast aluminum frame that required sawing into your cabinets just to make it fit. Found that out on Audio Karma luckily from others trying to do the same replacement on their various ESS. A couple of those guys used Dayton woofers to good effect but I went with Misco as their specs were a perfect match to original, hence original sound. Was not going to try to mess with upgrading as I might have had to upgrade the x-over too and taking a saw to the cabinets was out of the question. SO, long story longer, I got my midrange back and Phil bombs sound better than ever! Not bad for a novice hack job since I have zero skills with electricity or carpentry. Not even interested in a sub really. Pretty small living room and I want to keep peace in the neighborhood. Anytime you upgrade there is a leap of faith that the money you're spending will get the result you're after so I got lucky in all this I'd say. Some with a little more dinero are switching stuff all the time but you don't know unless you go. I certainly was OK with all my 70s stuff but you get used to your sound and don't realize how much better it can be until you go there. Thanks Oro.
    Cheers

  • #284
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    I wish your last statement was true - but I suspect that the selfish behaviour of the powerful will have long lasting negative consequences for years to come.

  • #285
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    Most anyplace one lives is essentially dangerous......

    For all those who asked, or were concerned...............

    The Gillespie household is doing fine. So far, we've only lost power for about 45 minutes, but it's back on now. We've only caught the "tropical storm" part of Ian, but I have heard that potentially, this may be the deadliest hurricane to ever hit Florida. We now live in Green Cove Springs, about 30 miles southeast of Jax, safely away from the beach, the St John's River, and Black Creek. We're in a newish house, on high ground, have lots of food and water, and have an excellent generator. The St Augustine area is getting badly flooded........

    The strongest hurricane to ever hit Florida was the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, sustained winds of 180+ mph when it hit. There is a lovely--and moving----monument in the Keys to the hundreds who lost their lives in that storm. I've visited that site many many times while I lived down there. The deadliest? Probably the same hurricane, the exact toll is unknown, but probably in the hundreds.......

    For Matthew, we evacuated. For Irma, we hunkered down and rode out the storm. For a hurricane, either get out early, or be prepared to ride it out. I reassured my wife, "No matter what comes, we'll ride it out together".

    Out of an abundance of caution, my office is closed today and tomorrow, and I don't work this weekend. A "mini-vacation" of sorts. Now that the power is back, I'm actually busy spreading 1972 Lyceum shows around. Some things never change, hurricane be damned!!

    Here we dodged a bullet, yet I pray for those in harm's way on the Gulf coast...............

    Stay safe, and rock on,

    Doc
    What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal......

  • #286
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    Well said 1stshow

    Don’t think I’ve heard of the ESS Amt 4s, looked them up, interesting, do you use a sub with them?
    And you refreshed my memory about adcom so I looked into that brand a little too.
    Interesting video comparing Adcom and NAD to contemporary Schiit audio.

    Almost bought a Schiit Yggdrasil DAC before I got my Meitner. For like 22-23 hundred bucks they sound as good as many DACs costing many thousands more! Schiit makes simple but value friendly great sounding products, or at least the ones I’ve heard.
    But yeah, NAD and Adcom, same idea, BITD budget friendly but great sounding gear. Sounds like a sweet little system!

    Hybrid stuff. I’ve heard some sweet sounding hybrid stuff at audio shows.
    Of course Jer Bear had a hybrid system utilizing a Fender Twin Tube amp for his pre and a SS MC2300 power amp and we all know how great that sounded and perhaps why he never changed his backend!
    I would say if your going to try hybrid go tube pre and SS power…
    My best recollection was with my buddy who started YFS and built my custom Ref 3 server: had an amazing sounding system one year at RMAF using YFS server, Meitner DAC, Custom made fully analog pre (tube?) biamped with one of the best sounding MC 275 tube amps on the highs, and a 200 per McIntosh solid state amp on the lows (don’t recall the model), powering some Von Schweikert audio stand speakers. I thought the sound and imaging of this system, even in the shitty little hotel room sounded as good or better than much bigger and expensive systems there that year.
    Just can’t describe what a big clean sound this relatively small system produced! Of course for the price of the system it should! Lol.

    I think it’s like everything else: trial and error and if it’s done right it can be a plus!
    I’ve never had tube stereo gear, but I’ve heard some great stuff, but that particular MC 275 that my buddies dad (some kind of engineer/scientist) restored and modified, is perhaps the best tube amp I’ve ever had the pleasure to hear. His dad is the one who built the custom line stage too. Ya know, let’s design and build a one of a kind killer audiophile unit just for something to do lol. They build their own bike frames too!
    So to me it’s like all this stuff, tube versus SS, analog versus digital etc, there’s not just one thing that’s best or better, if it’s done right, and you get the right synergy for your room etc, I’ve heard systems of all kinds that were amazing!

    Just a thought, yeah tube amps can be great for instruments for musical creation when you want that slightly overdriven sound (think Dead 72 before using Mac amps on the instruments), but for sound reproduction they can get tubby or muddy with perhaps too much distortion. Some people like that as it can give a richer, or warmer sound, I’m with you 1stshow, I prefer a more neutral sound, though some think that’s too dry etc?

    In the end, it just comes down to what’s best for you!

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    For a few years, I was deeply into audio: or as deeply as my meager budget would allow, anyway. It started when I realized I needed a tube amplifier. This was because I realized that I would never in a million years use a transistor amp for my guitar, so why would I use one for my home listening?

    But of course tube amps and preamps are pretty pricey, so I had to go the DIY route: I built a preamp from a kit (Bottlehead) and bought an old ST-70 power amp, and I spent a lot of time tweaking them with various upgrades. They sounded pretty good, eventually. And I needed some efficient speakers, so I paired them with some Klipsch Heresys that I got off craigslist (for $100!).

    What happened next is so typical of me it's embarrassing: the ST-70 worked great for about 10 years and then just cut out one day. By this time, I had forgotten all the various rewirings and component upgrades etc I had done, and lost all my paperwork. So I had no idea how to troubleshoot it! Couldn't even find my volt meter! I decided to just sell the ST-70 for a couple hundred, get myself a used Sansui Au-417 (since they're reputed to have a tube-like sound, also a great phono stage), put all new caps in there, and call it day. So after all that I'm back to transistors. Sounds pretty good, though.

    Somewhat bemused to read the travails of my fellow heads who ordered the MSG set via Rhino and are now working through the delays and shipping mishaps. I didn't get the box set (early '80s are just not my era) but I went for the 3 CD breakout. Ordered it from Bezos and received on the day it was released. What a concept! I'm glad to have it, it's a good performance, but disappointed in the mix. It's all Jerry and Brent, Bob's guitar is completely (and I mean completely) inaudible, Phil and the drummers much too low. But you can hear Jerry great, and it's a high energy show so probably most people will really dig it. Still, I hope the rest of the box is better, for everybody's sake.

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    John Coltrane: Coltrane
    GOGD: Dick's Picks 36 (yow!!!)
    Joe Henderson: Mode for Joe
    Zappa: Hot Rats
    Sturgill Simpson: Cuttin Grass

  • #288
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    I went to separates during covid after doing some research and hearing from a collector of Heil Amt speakers that I wasn't hearing all my ESS Amt-4 floor standing speakers could do. Got an Adcom dual mono amp with 100W and 180 damping factor and was blown away like the Maxell guy. Got the other Adcom separates one at a time and noticed improvement each time. The pre-amp was better than using my old integrated amp as a pre and the digital tuner was way better than the old one. All are late 80s MOSFET stuff and fully restored they are still way cheaper than either vintage premier like Oro's McIntosh or 10x cheaper than modern audiophile. Just got to find a reliable restorer. They were the bargain audiophile brand BITD and made in USA. Very neutral coloring which some don't like but it's better to hear it exactly as it was made and play with the tone controls if you want different. Diminishing returns to go higher but I would have if the money was there. All in I spent maybe $700 and it sounds good to me. The bonus was I got a bedroom system from the old stuff, just have to add some speakers.

    Ten days to get my 3 CD MSG from CA to CO doesn't sound very innovative. Mail Innovations, aka the Louis Dejoy enrichment scheme, adds almost 500 more miles to the route that would have gotten to me two to three days earlier had UPS shortcut Mail Innovations and delivered it straight from the handoff point only 60 miles away. Bad for the customer and bad for the planet. Should be here tomorrow. Oh well, as Neil says, "don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning".
    Cheers

    Edit: I find it interesting that folks are going back to valves, or tubes, especially in the pre-amp. I was advised to go with a hybrid solid state/tube pre-amp but stick with a solid state amp to get the benefit of the "warm" tube sound without the big bucks of the tube amp. But the hybrids were beyond my budget even used/restored as they are a newer thing. Wish my family had kept my Dad's old home built Heathkit tube amp. Would love to have heard that again.

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    Thanks Oro, a wealth of helpful information. AJS, there with you, floor standing wise, found a pair of 1986 Klipsch Cornwall IIs, 3 foot tall, 2 foot wide, 16" deep. Horn loaded tweeters and mid range, 15" woofers. They sound incredible for 35 year olds. Was driving them with an Onkyo receiver, one of the high end spec models for a long time and was happy. Eventually hooked up a power amp/pre amp combo and was surprised how much improvement... like Oro said. The power supply on the amp is huge, output rated at 150 watts per channel so a very efficient speaker like Klipsch has no stress, there is so much headroom. The damping factor as well important, a measure of how effectively (tightly) the amp controls bass response. When damping factor number is large, bass is well defined with detail and timbre, not boomy muddy. Whatever sub anyone might be using, not much useful response below 18-20Hz, as it's exponentially demanding to get lower, subsonic. The octobass and piano lowest notes are A0, about 27hz, Pipe organ low note is C0, 16 Hz. Except there's this thing called a rotary woofer that can go down to single Hz numbers at hideous expense, IMAX theater only? I would love to see and buy a 1968 NW tour box. Meanwhile, hoping Forensic Doc will let us know how it goes, we know he's in the Jacksonville area.

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    Mr Ones - great band, Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets. I saw them just before covid, and was supposed to be going again in 2020-but... That dvd/blu ray disc of them live is worth getting, too.

    Irrespective of the extent to which climate change is affecting the hurricanes in America, there can be little doubt that the countries who are suffering most are the poorest ones. And the ones who are contributing to it most are the richest.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

....how was that Phish show at Blossom? Looks like it was a rager. Getting awesome reviews. Free is one of my favorite songs and phans are saying it was one of the best ever. Missed it last night on the free youtoob offering. Will check it out tonight.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 11:54

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this one hit my mailbox totally unexpectedly, as it did with others. Very psyched.
I am realizing now that indeed I know the Dark Star from 11/2, I had sought his one out about 5 years ago on a random reference and I recall being totally blown away not only with the exploration but also the quality of the sound. Bear was a true Master.
I've not heard the other offerings; they are ripe.

Off to BDA tomorrow for a looong weekend to celebrate my younger bro's 15th wedding anniversary.
It'll be hot, but I'll take a kid-free mini-vaca with all of our friends any day.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 12:00

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I'll wait to listen after a spliff.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 13:43

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In the very worst case scenario, I have an extra copy. So you're covered either way.

My personal interest, apart from wanting everyone to get their release, is that you'll get to fire up that bomber of Indica I passed to ya at TTB and explore the "new" music.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 14:24

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....btw. scam alert. Just got a text from USPS about "unable to deliver package due to incorrect address." Thought that was weird, especially getting a text from the post office. So I clicked the linq. Was asked to fill in all my contact information, which I did, then was told there was a $3 redelivery fee and was asked for my credit card info. I may be dumb sometimes, but I ain't stupid. I looked up the tracking # and it was bogus.
Beware out there!!

Did I make you mad? My numbers keep getting greater and greater. Almost have a number so high, it is almost beyond 25,000. Oh well glad i got a few low numbers.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 15:00

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Just wanted to clean up a few recent discussions with you guys.

OB: you had said 42 bonus disk would be a tub thumper and you were correct. Sounds Great!

BTK and Dave Rock. In discussing "funky joints", BTK you wrote about them finding a body when renovationg Oakland Auditorium. I did include that article when I wrote a PhD dissertation on OA. Had many articles and lots of pictures of the now shuddered wonderful facility. (I had a bunch of lynx, but when it was time to post, no more lynx.) You also mentioned Lake Merritt. I really loved the lake and the entrance. It made me feel as close to what a Winterland show was like. Maybe 200-300 campers. Very nice, fun, but small shakedown. Made everything feel like home and so relaxed. We had 2 of the 4 tickets for our run. We got a travel package that included round trip airlines, supposed to be 4 tickets instead of 2, and two nights hotel at the Hotel San Francisco or San Franciscan Hotel. All for $800. Was a GD travel group out of Philly. The first night we had two walk away about a mile to a pay phone at Oak St. and 14th St. where we would call a holiday inn a few miles east where Kurland tours was staying. They answered and said, yeah I have 2 tickets for tonight if you can come get them. We hauled ass back to OA got in the car and took off to the holiday inn. Grabbed the tix and got back to drop and get in just as the Neville Brothers were playing. Glad you saw them and liked their playing as well. That was New Orleans in Oakland.

Dave Rock, speaking of funky joints, the very first funky joint I was ever in was the Marquee at 90 Wardour St. Was there twice, March 1982 and March 1983. 1982 was just going inside during the day. The club was preparing for the night, it was around 1 or 2 that afternoon. Just amazed at the long hall with all the pictures of artists on the wall. Reminds me of the Whisky a go go in Los Angeles. In 1983, my friend and I went to see a band called "The The." Never had any USA success but I understand that were relatively successful in Europe. Of course, you can be relatively successful and still make a very good living. Great presence, as a funky joint, although not sure you could ever smoke or get real funky in there. Let me know if I am confused.

Any way, not sure y'all will remember this from about a month back.

Can't wait to crank 43, will begin Friday afternoon. Sure it will get a couple of listens this weekend.

Again, want to say Thanks to Owsley Foundation, Dave, Jeffrey, and all the others that help keep this bus moving forward and with with great new music (to me)!

Also, thanks to the regulars. I wish I had as much to write about. Bet TTB and Los Lobos was killer. Hard to believe no smoke at Red Rocks, bet that is a non executable regulation.

G

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Edit2 - BTK found where they found the body early this year but it seems when I wrote the piece there had been a body found on much earlier renovation. I am going to search and find that write-up and see if I am correct. Hope all well ur way!

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Submitted by AliceD on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 15:56

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I can't find the words to accurately describe # 43. But listening to it last night I smiled, laughed, stared at my stereo in awe and even got a little teary a couple of times. A lot of different emotions over four hours. Personally, I feel its Dave's best pick yet (and that's saying a lot).

Thanks Dave, Jeffery, Bear and everyone else involved in this release.

I received the same text. When I tried to reload it so I could track the package off of the real USPS site, the language changed to French, then Arabic. I wonder if dead.net was unknowingly hacked. Seems highly unlikely that both you and I would get the same text message otherwise.

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Submitted by frosted on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 16:01

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Yeah, Soulful Strut, if that's what it's called, is the jam in those Dark Stars that I was referencing in my comments a few days ago. I did think I recognized it from the 1970 30 Trips Dancin in the Streets too, as it always caught my attention there as well. Sort of reminds me of the majestic interlude jam between Alligator and Going down the Road on the 1971 Ladies and Gentlemen...not the melody or tune itself, but the way it has that joyful, otherworldly quality.

Those jams both put me in the best of moods and get my endorphins peaking, especially when I'm spinning them on a road trip somewhere along a mountain road in the California Sierra. Which I was again during my first listen to 43.

This 43 disc got me fired up to go back and start checking out some more 1969s and 1970s that I hadn't heard on youtube yet. Some really good new ones since I last checked.

I also stumbled onto the full Woodstock set which I realized I had never heard, though I always heard that the Dead didn't like it and wouldn't approve release. It's not really so bad, I actually enjoyed it mostly. Though with the technical glitches and some guy (concert promoter approved?) sharing the stage and blabbing nonsense into the mike at the first part of Lovelight, I could see why they'd not want it released. There was a different and interesting jam by Jerry about 2/3 of the way through the very long Lovelight that I don't recall ever hearing before, must have been one of his improvs, and a very nice one too.

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Submitted by frosted on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 16:07

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I've had those too. When I laugh out loud at something a musician does, it usually means I'm so stunned by the magnificence of the moment that I can't figure out what else to do.

Now that the existence of the banana boxes has been revealed a reinvigorated effort to infiltrate the vault has begun.

Vguy and AJS,
This site was hacked last week according to (I think) Wilfred who witnessed it being another site. Then other people pointed out how stuff that was gone from the store reappeared, although not available to order.
At the Rhino store the Waiting For Columbus Box is no longer available to order (it just came out).
This may also explain why no tracking number emails, and then multiple emails after DaP43 has arrived.

Something’s afoot in the hackerverse……

But yes, DaP43 is awesome!
All hail to Bear and his banana boxes.

(Ha, a Phil Bomb on 11/2 Dark Star just woke up my dog)

If you don’t have it already, hope you get it soon.

....still out for delivery. Is the mailman playing Pokemon Go or what? And Hendrixfreak's indica joint is just begging to be lit.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 19:37

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will get virgin listen Monday during road trip.

Been listening to 6 24 85 here and there

Summer 85 deserves a box set

6 24 (30 Trips)
6 25
6 27
6 28
6 30
7 1

Also heard some of DixPix August 74

Hot stuff

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 19:44

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....I know it may considered heresy amongst some here, but I never found Seinfeld very funny....(runs away with fingers in ears).
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Ok. I'm back. Going with Dave's 40 Deer Creek disc 4 on the big boy with the TV on the CMA Fest muted while I bide my time. Cool stage and lights actually.
HEY! Deer Creek '90 sounds pretty good too!
We are some spoiled MF'ers and we're here for it. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy because music is indeed, the best!

He had a wooden leg, an eye patch and a hook for a hand. The bartender was curious. "How did you get that wooden leg?" he asked.

The pirate took a swig of ale. "'Twas a terrible sea battle. I stood bravely, directly facing 12 cannons.All they managed to hit was my leg."

The bartender said "What about your hook?"

The pirate took another long swig. "Arrrr, twas the day the British navy caught me. They tied me to the mast, I escaped by gnawing my own hand off."

The bartender was growing sceptical. "And how did you get that eyepatch?"

The pirate took another swig. "Twas a mutiny. Me own crew left me marrooned on a desert island. But I had no fear. I lay down on the sand to wait to be rescued. As i looked up, a seagull flew over and pooped in me eye."

The bartender said "That's ridiculous, no one loses an eye from bird muck."

The pirate finished his ale in one gulp, and grimaced. "Twas the first day with the hook."

Lol

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Submitted by carlo13 on Wed, 08/03/2022 - 22:09

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That's blasphemy. Seinfeld is very funny.....or is it.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 02:48

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I, too, remember the notion of a hack being raised. But, alas, twas not I.

Hey now SF/PF, give a shot to 6-22-85 Alpine. Another satisfying Summer '85...

P.S. Seinfeld is indeed funny. Getting dated now, but still elicits the chuckles.

P.S.S. Starfinder's assertion that Dave is inclined to fill out discs when they are sparse with tracks makes me guffaw some too...

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 03:13

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I keep rotating these two concerts over and over. I am so happy for these shows from this period. It's exactly what I was hoping for and felt might be possible, given the amount of time it had been since a Dave's Pick came out for 1969 (although DaP 30 was close, it's a different experience). When I first really got into the Dead hardcore, my buddy had two releases, and one of them was Dick's Picks 16 from 11/8/69. The "Bear" sound was ingrained early on.

Billy the Kid - those shows on your 1969 box set are probably going to be short - better add the Boston Tea Party run from NYE.

Frosted - there is a great essay on archive that lists every song that has that Soulful Strut jam (aka "Tighten Up"). archive.org/post/1055387/guide-to-the-tighten-up-jam

Aliced - I know how you feel man. I think there's a lot to be said for the audience interaction they had in those days. And you can feel how much fun they're having. Good times, always positive vibes. Just don't flash cameras in their eyes or shoot off fireworks. And for f***'s sakes don't climb on the fence idiot!

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 03:46

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Gary - I'm not sure I'm best placed to comment on the confusion of others, but what you say sounds spot on to me! I never went to The Marquee - looking online it's hey day was between 1964 and 1988, when it was on Wardour Street. Apparently it relocated after that - but it must have lost something in the travelling. It sounds like my sort of club, though. Maybe a bit like the 100 Club on Oxford Street in London. They have great photographs on the wall of people who have played there too - a great range of artists-I can remember ones of Son House and Keith Richards - many jazz artists from the early 60s too. I saw some great bands there - off the top of my head James Burton and band, The Pretty Things, Pink Fairies, Jefferson Starship, The Fuzztones - never a dull moment! I remember the name The The...but nothing more.

Charlie3 great post on the Dark Stars in Daves 43-looking forward to getting this one I must say.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 04:37

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Seinfeld?

I am disappointed in you. Please don’t tell me you like “Friends.”

Seinfeld sits atop the following classics:

All in the Family
M*A*S*H - the first three seasons only, with Henry and Trapper
Scrubs
The Office - before Michael left

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Submitted by adedhed68 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 05:08

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Was great for all 11 seasons. Sure it got preachy and somewhat corny, but show me better writing and better television now.

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Submitted by dmcvt on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 05:12

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Not to mention the April run at The Ark. Or did I already. The only NYE show outside the bay area... further candidates for a '69 (68-70) box, nominations? My guess: a 12K edition could easily sell out more quickly than the current MSG box. Even considering the 6 MSG shows represent roughly 120K seats (less repeats). FW69 CD box fetches $500+ on the secondary and as yet, incomplete on vinyl. So when does the final night of FW69 run appear on vinyl ? Eight months to RSD2023... As of this morning, archive is showing the TTB Red Rocks 7/30 show.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 06:01

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10-25-69 Dark Star
8-23-69 more Dark Star from a Farm in Oregon
8-30-69 More Dark Star from the Dog
That's just a sampling of some of the great Dark Stars from 69 there are more just got to poke around
That would be so cool, a box full of Dark Stars, they could call it tattered tales or round about the reason or (insert cool dark star name)

Vguy (and now Dennis):

"No soup for you!"

Shows others love that don't quite appeal to me: I will confess I never liked Big Bang Theory. And I found the Simpsons tiresome after a couple seasons. Friends worked at the time, but not since.

True fact...my wife and I were part of a test audience for Big Bang Theory in Las Vegas back...whenever. We were "meh". But the show became a hit.

And then they made Young Sheldon...oy.

Vguy and Dennis...if the situation ever arises, I won't have a square to spare for either of you. Hmph.

Y'all be cool anyway :)))

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 07:35

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If you missed,,,, vol 2 of weir and wolf is being released,,,, third man records,,,, limited color vinyl,,, regular vinyl and cd.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 07:45

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The acoustic song selection is choice.

69 box baby. FULL of Dark Stars.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 08:53

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I only dipped into the acoustic set across the first two discs, then the electric on disc one.

Sometimes, with relatively uinspired shows, I push my listening ears into the music to catch what I can. On this performance, one only needs to lay back and let the music fill your ears -- the groove is that good. Even some of the loosey-goosey acoustic, like the intro to Black Peter, becomes like an unstoppable wave.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 08:53

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I think I'll go for a round of frolf today.
Just because.

Currently doing Northern Exposure.
Not so much funny as quirky.
Doing the Doc Martin series after that.

Cheers

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 09:33

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Northern Exposure, used to really dig that show, made my wife and I think, hey, let's move somewhere like that, somewhere rural and a little remote, but with a normal light cycle throughout the year as weeks of straight darkness or weeks of unending light would push me right over the edge. Wound up here in MT from NY, probably one of my better choices, certainly can't think of anywhere I'd rather be over the last few years. Other factors involved as well, but that show was a bit of a catalyst.

Seinfeld is funny to me, dug that show, but when I checked out Larry David's Curb Your Enthusiasm I kind of got the idea that Larry is way funnier than Jerry, and an understanding that George Costanza was Larry's alter ego. Larry David was a head writer and co-producer on Seinfeld, and I suspect he was responsible for some of the best parts of that show. Curb Your Enthusiasm is funnier than Seinfeld in my book, especially the seasons with J.B. Smoove as Leon Black. J.B. Smoove and Larry David are hilarious together. Even if you don't really dig Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm is well worth checking out.

Soulful Strut is one of my favorite instrumental soul tunes, so if it's there I hear it. The only tune that I know by Young-Holt Unlimited, but what a great tune.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 09:47

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Found this,,,, musician will understand better than me

Why the ‘Tighten Up Jam’ Should Henceforth be Known as the ‘Soulful Strut Jam’
(Special thanks to member Paperback Writer at the Steve Hoffman forums).

The jam commonly referred to as the Tighten Up jam is so referred to based on the chords to (and its overall resemblance to) the 1968 track of the same name from Archie Bell & the Drells.
The problem herein lies in the chord structure of the jam. The original composition of Tighten Up is based on a simple chord change of F#Maj7 – BMaj7 (or, if you prefer to make your life more difficult, GbMaj7 – CbMaj7). In any case, these two sets of chord changes represent I IV in a Major key. But the GoGD jam in question is not I IV in a Major key; rather, it is I ii in a Major key. See 5/2/70, DP 8, Dancin’ in the Street from 6:52-10:15 (all times taken from the official releases noted herein) and 10/31/71, DP 2, Dark Star from 13:29-17:52; for officially-released and well-known versions. But often, things are not so cut and dried with the GoGD. The 1/2/70, DaP 30, Dark Star complicates things by including an unnamed jam starting at 19:41–> Feelin’ Groovy (starting at 21:42 and then meandering away)–> Soulful Strut (transposed; starting at 23:40).
Keep in mind that any transposition our boys might have done is irrelevant here. Transcribing a set of chord changes to another key does not affect their harmonic function.
However, the Grateful Dead play the Soulful Strut jam in A Major, using A and Bmin as the two chords. This represents both a transposition from F#/Gb Major and a reharmonization of I IV in a Major key to I ii in a Major key. But if we look at Soulful Strut, a 1968 composition by Young-Holt Unlimited, the main set of changes is BbMa7 – Cmin7: I ii in the Major key of Bb Major.
Don’t get hung up on the key/tonal center; focus on the functionality of the chords. If we transpose the two chords from Soulful Strut down a half step, we get A Bmin. Thus, what has long been known as the Tighten Up jam is, by its very harmonic construction, much more close to Soulful Strut than it is to Tighten Up.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 09:54

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....no offense to Seinfeld fans. And no, I'm not a Friends fan either. Agree on M*A*S*H front to back and All In The Family. Love South Park. Love That 70's Show. Have always had a sweet spot for Three's Company and Spongebob Squarepants (the first 4 seasons) and Parks & Recreation.
Checking out that TTB 7/30 show on the Archive now. I absolutely adore Susan's voice. Powerful stuff girl!!

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 10:08

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Dude, thanks, I knew that someone with more musical knowledge than me must be able to explain the musical structure to confirm what my ears were telling me, that the jams were based on Soulful Strut. I took piano lessons for a few years around 5th to 8th grade, and learned a little bit how to read music, but that is all hazy memory at this point, and explaining chord structure progression is way beyond me. I dig Tighten Up by Archie Bell and the Drells as well, another cool tune, I just could never quite make it fit some of those Dark Star and Dancing in the Street interludes. I'll have to check out the Oh Girl instrumental now.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 11:33

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43 years ago today, I was up at the Oakland Auditorium ( along with a lot of other great people who post on this forum) for another great evening with the Good Ole Grateful Dead. It was a great first show at the Oakland Auditorium, this building to take the place of Winterland. The Dead would play here up until 1989. I would see a lot of great shows here in Oakland and have alot of fun times.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 11:45

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In the picture in the liner notes. First guess was a mid-60s Mercedes which had little fins like that but there's some badging on the side of the fin a Mercedes didn't have. Guessing something like a Peugeot or Citroen? I think remember seeing Jerry pictured driving a Volvo later. Just curious.
And hey the music ain't bad either. First listen.
Cheers

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Submitted by boblopes on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 12:19

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Here's more from thread that KF posted:

11/2/69
Dark Star
17:30-22:20 (Feelin' Groovy)
22:20-25:00 (Tighten Up)
Another one of the times the Tighten Up and Feelin' Groovy were played back to back. This is a beautiful example of each of these themes. See 1/2/70 for this Dark Star's big brother. Thekind78 said about this Dark Star, "I gotta say of all the available Feelin' Groovy and Tighten Up jams the one from 11/02/69 at the Family Dog has Jerry playing ever so sweet. Just so soulful. I don't know if any other date has that kind of depth to the playing." I couldn't agree more.

12/26/69
Dark Star
16:30-17:30 (Feelin' Groovy)
17:30-20:00 (Tighten Up)
As I am listening to these Dark Stars again I am being reminded how often Feelin' Groovy and Tighten Up were juxtaposed. The jams really seem to develop simultaneously. In my other post about the Feelin' Groovy I describe this whole Dark Star jam as such. However, it is pretty clear that the second half is a Tighten Up.

second set is smokin' hot, at least on cassette and CD

I bet the OA became the mothership during Playin'

I envy your attendance

show envy?

:)))

8/4/79

Looks tasty

Have never heard but will soon.

Saturday in Oakland, right on.

What grabs me is the Shakedown being in the 2nd set, 4 spot, before playing. Bet that is going to be a lot of fun to hear! I love 2nd set shakedowns...

Havent read just yet, but makes we wonder if he was micro-doses. Guessing he was going thru counseling of a licensed therapist, or maybe a Shaman. My first introduction to micro-dosing came from John Fishman of Phish. He says that during his senior year of high school, he would wake up every morning at 5:00 and drop 50 mics, go back to sleep and wake up another couple of hours later and be ready for school. Been wanting to post that forever, now I have the reason. Of course, with the depth of this group/board I am sure it has been discussed before. I have pondered trying this. Maybe my Warlock powers would be Limitless. Can u feel me now?

G

edit: wow, ayahuasca (dmt)probably a shaman or even a licensed shaman. Dang where do I go again? haha j/k.

The fellas did some dmt early on...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Thu, 08/04/2022 - 15:39

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Was there, balcony slightly to the left. Great show indeed, they premiered Althea and Lost Sailor; next night was even better in my opinion, with Hamza El Din showing up mid-second set, and a great Scarlet/Fire.
I like Seinfeld, can't stand Friends and love Sanford & Son. I think I'll pour myself a glass of Champipple now.

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