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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1131
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    Simple must do audio rules

    There are many things that can be done to get your system set up correctly that often can facilitate noticeable performance improvements equal too or greater than any electronics! Best part, they cost little or nothing!

    SPEAKER PHASING: one of the most notorious mistakes that makes a huge noticeable difference and is super easy.
    Make sure your positive amp/receiver terminal is connected to the positive of the speaker, ON BOTH speakers!!
    So positive to positive, negative to negative etc. on both speakers.
    If one is wired opposite of the other, your speakers are out of phase which means their working against each other instead of with each other. Speakers move back and forth, or in and out. If one is wired out of phase that means one speaker is pushing air out while the other speaker is pulling back in, thus effecting bass coupling dramatically! So what you say? You will likely laugh or gasp at how much better your speakers sound (bass enhancement) when you hear them in phase after getting used to them being out!

    SPEAKER HEIGHT: the tweeter should always be placed at ear height. So if using stand speakers, measure so stand places the speakers tweeter exactly at listening position ear height. In conekids case he’s a little higher, which might effect his main position, but since he’s trying to cover 2 zones IR areas it’s a trade off. This is an example of how the situation may dictate slight tweaks, but you should at least start following these rules then tweek.

    SPEAKER PLACEMENT: optimally should form an equilateral triangle: same distance from listening position to each speaker, and same distance between speakers. This can be tweaked depending on several variables.
    Spread them out too far and you lose acoustic coupling and stereo imaging etc., too close together and your sound field collapses and you lose stereo effect etc. This is something you can play with and doesn’t cost anything.
    Obviously you should try to avoid placing objects in front of speakers…
    They should be placed along a wall, but out from the wall. Too close to the wall causes boundary issues that make bass bloated and unnaturally loud etc. Too far out from the wall and they can sound too thin (not enough bass).
    Again, depending on your speakers and other factors you can play with this until you get it right.
    Same with listening position: if you sit too close to any wall, but especially the back wall you’ll again suffer from boundary issues that unnaturally bloat/muddy bass.
    Really you should never put speakers or listening position next to a wall!

    RULE OF THIRDS: look it up. Though using the third dimension is usually not practical, the rule of fifths is and works perhaps better. What’s that you say? Divide your room into fifths. Place the speakers one fifth of the way in from the side walls, leaving three fifths between them. So a 20’ room would have the center of each speaker 4’ from the side walls with 12’ between speaker center points. Then, to form the equilateral triangle, measure 12’ from the center of each speaker to your ear position at your listening sweet spot! Depending on your speakers you may want to toe them in slightly versus having them point directly forward. Again, play around and tweek. Tweeting should be done vary slightly, sometimes an inch or two can make a big difference! Be slow and methodological.

    SUB WOOFERS: I’m not a fan of subs for 2 channel stereo, but they can be a necessity for small bookshelf speakers etc.
    Subs suffer even more from boundary issues described above! Corners are usually the worst place to put a sub woofer!
    Here’s a trick. Place your sub in your listening position and put on some bass active music you know well. Now crawl around on the floor and listen. When you find the place the bass sounds best, put your sub there. This is a cheap down and dirty way to deal with room modes, one of the biggest negative factors in music enjoyment. (Look them up).
    I have a fairly large above average system in a dedicated room, but my room is too narrow for my system so I often have horrible bass bloat issues because of these room modes etc. (funny but it’s mostly only a problem with old Dead when Phil was still playing Alembic lol). Usually I can just roll off a little of my 30 hertz eq nob on my C 40 pre amp. I have a DSP room unit that uses excellent Dirac SW, but haven’t gotten around to it (slacker).
    There are many solutions and sometimes DSP can help (but that won’t do pure analog folks much good) but often the best way to deal with many of these issues is to follow these fairly simple rules and play around with things.

    Oh, lastly. You can help smooth out your room by dampening first reflection points. There’s diffusion and absorption and more. But to keep it simple. We’ll just look at some basics.
    Have someone with a mirror move along the side wall with the mirror. The place where you can see the speaker in the mirror while being seated in the listening position is the first reflection point. Put something (all kinds of things both diy and professional) in that spot along the wall (and ceiling if you want to go the extra distance) that will absorb the sound, so that your hearing the direct sound from the speaker without the phase issues and coloration of the reflected sound off the wall. This is another simple but big improvement.
    You can experiment with placing adsorption in other obvious places like directly back from the speakers on the opposite wall. If you have a big room, perhaps look at second reflection points.

    NOTE: this is not sound proofing! That is a whole other field above and behind this tutorial. Save your money! Putting egg crates, foam, or most of the items for sale on line DO NOT WORK! They will not stop bass from passing through walls and structure! Some of these products may help the sound in the room, but will do nothing for stopping it’s transmission out of the room!

    SPEAKER ISOLATORS: another thing you just have to try. Using the pointy spikes or not for speaker feet. Sometimes they help other times you may want to isolate your speakers from the floor to eliminate too much bass and our help with transference to another room or dwelling.
    Oh, use a heavy carpet on the floor at least between the speakers and listening position if not bigger. Put this is yet another situational thing that you may have to play with.

    Remember folks: the situation is the boss!
    Hope this helps!

    HDCD: if everything is set up and functioning properly you can hear a difference. How noticeable or if noticeable will depend on your equipment, set up and ears. If you have a nice system and actually play discs, you might find some improvements but for many you might not really hear a difference, certainly not a huge difference so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Following the above mentioned rules as much as possible will!

    Oh, ps, the above assumes best case practices. As no room is perfect, and some are just plain awful, and many of us need to live with our significant others, ahem, obviously not everyone will be able to follow all of these.

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    Cnkd - It never occurred to me at the time that I could have asked for a brand new replacement. The replacement from the shop floor is better - the first one used to skip tracks out - with this one it's just the delay in registering which track is playing by about a second that's a bit odd. It plays to perfection apart from that. And really sounds good.

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    Good talk.

    More important to system?

    Listening!!!

    When I bought my system the guy told me, you will not hear what this system does, while doing the dishes, while cleaning, while doing anything else. You have to sit and listen.

    It's true.

    Sound systems and people are a funny thing. I think MOST people listen to the radio and only own a handful of cd's/albums, usually the stuff they listen to in high school or college,,,, after that they stop buying. Kids today seem to live off spot-e-fied and own nothing. I have found the largest genre in people's collection is christmas albums (go figure!)

    I think this group of people are the exception to that.

    What'd ya think?

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    Since there's a CD player discussion going on...

    For people who are listening on HDCD players, what sort of improvement can you hear in the audio? I would think there is some discernable improvement.

    I think I've listened to these shows 10x each. Moved on to others in the time period. Doing Dick's Picks 4 at the moment. I was not hardcore into the Dead when it was released. I imagine people were reacting even more positively into it than even this Dave's Picks, due to the Fillmore legend of the Feb 13 & 14 shows when it came out. Was there a discussion board up at the time to spread the enthusiasm?

    Vguy - good to see the red dice and green felt has returned - it's positively you.

    Nitecat - also digging TC's contributions on these shows. When he was "on" and audible, he really filled out their sound nicely.

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    Wow, Daverock that’s a pricey player to be malfunctioning, and then be replaced by a floor model (which apparently has the same defect). They should have given you a new one from the factory.

    I thought that my new Cambridge Audio CD player was defective but then realized that my Vizio TV remote interferes with it. I had the TV on and was going through the menu adjusting settings but every time I hit a button on the TV remote the CD player would jump tracks or stop playing. Was relieved to find that the CD player was fine.

    Nick, go with what sounds best to you.

    Last night spun the Anthem of the Sun CD that I bought in 1989 (it’s the 1971 remix) and it sounded pretty dull.
    Then put in Steppin’ Out CD3 and started at Truckin’. Sounded better, but not that great.
    DaP43 sounds far superior to those older CD’s.

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    Magic Ingredient

    To me, the best sounding recordings I ever heard were the first ones I got, between 1971 and about 1978. They were records, and what made them great was the magic ingredient. It had nothing to do with what I played them on. If your system captures that-you've got it. For me you can no more improve on that than you can The Grand Canyon

    Nick1234 - having said that, I got a Rega Saturn-R cd player about 3 years ago. And it sounds great - but the first one I bought had to go back to the shop after about 9 months, as some cds wouldn't play-and others jumped to the 3rd or 4th track when I wanted to hear the 1st one. They eventually replaced it with a display model from the shop floor. That is great - although I have noticed that half way through a cd...when the music for track 4 starts, the display unit still shows track 3 for a few seconds - it is slightly behind the music. But the sound quality is top notch. As for the magic ingredient....

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    I joke, but my wife has put up with my idiosyncrasies and such for 30 years, 36 if you count the time we were together before getting married. She deserves a medal, 'cause I am aware that I can be a difficult person to live with sometimes.

    The speakers have a clear pretty clear path to spread the sound around the space and the actual speakers are at the upper two thirds of about a 43 inch high tower, so a bit above the ground, and built to tilt ever so slightly to direct the sound slightly upward and fill the space nicely, so I exaggerate about the impediments, or more accurate to say I just get a little obsessive about the impediments to the sound.

    For tonight's classic '70s movie I went with the Godfather, the first one. I've watched it several times before but it never disappoints, I love that movie every time. A near perfect movie, weirdly gratifying.

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    While we're on the subject can I ask for a bit of advice? I'm in the market for a new system and at the moment I'm thinking of a Naim Supernait 3 amp and B&W 702 S2 speakers. I can audition these at my local hifi dealer. What CD player to accompany these? I'm not going for a turntable at the moment. I have 5 weeks to audition anything at my local shop before I move to the Shetland Islands and there's no hifi dealer there that I'm aware of so it's now or never. I'd sort of like to support Rega as their factory is about a mile from my current house but at these prices I'll go for the best fit for my ears.

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    Also point out....

    ....that at concerts, they raise the stacks on cables for maximum efficiency.

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    Point out to your wife that at concerts they don’t put the speakers on the floor, that would block the sound.

    My kitchen and living room are connected end-to-end, about 12 feet wide, so not a huge area to fill with sound. The speakers in the air project the sound into the kitchen perfectly, with the sweet spot from the front of the couch back to the island in the kitchen. Can also see the TV on the wall from the kitchen.
    It’s just me and my dog, so I can turn the volume up as loud as I want.

    I’ve had this new CD player for 2 weeks and have also been playing non-GD CD’s to see how they sound. The Cambridge Audio dealer that I got it from said that it needed about 100 hours of use to get broken in so I’ve been spinning CD’s instead of using my iBasso music player.
    Once the CD player is broken in I might then run it into the DAC via stereo RCA cables which I did at first, and it boosts the signal by about 20 dB according to having to turn down the volume, but I wanted to break it in sending the signal to the receiver.

    Spinning Rush - Exit Stage Left currently.
    This morning was Floyd - More and then Piper.
    I’m thinking next the Anthem of the Sun CD I bought in 1989, want to see if that sounds good or if it’s a victim of crappy 80’s mastering.

    The iBasso music players come with a burn-in adapter which simulates the electrical resistance of being plugged into a stereo system. You plug that in and put a show on loop and just let it run for about 50 hours, and then it’s supposed to be broken in.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

....prez follows through on a campaign promise and the hate still flies with certain people. "What about my mortgage?!" "MIdterm excuse for votes!"
Fascinating indeed brother. The current conservative trends are alarming to say the least. Go out and vote like your lives depend on it! Because it does.
My political rant for the month.
Back to tunes. And it ain't Kid Rock or Nugent.

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Glad you had that memory come back so clearly. I recently had a similar experience that brought me back to college beer parties, and sneaking off to smoke with buddies and get a few tunes in. Memory is a funny thing.

What a first show, 6/16/74. I did not realize that one was a three set show. One of my favorite 1974 releases. A buddy sent me the remainder from 6/16 and 6/18, but I rarely listen. That's about to change - you've inspired me.
For whatever reason Jerry is extra up-front in the mix, which is especially cool with when he's hitting chords - it's a very crunchy Wolf.

Just to see them in those early days. Thanks for the detailed account. It reminded me of some of my best concert experiences. I have no doubt I would have had a difficult time not following them outside of a hundred mile radius. The way I think of it, I was willing to see bands like Yes, Rush, and The Who 3 or 4 times a tour at multiple venues, and they all played basically the same set list from night to night. If that grabbed me, then getting a different set list every night would have had drawn me outside of the Philly / Jersey / New York market. That sounds like real freedom to me.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 04:41

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Has anyone checked out the home page Veneta application, where you can isolate tracks? Highly recommend isolating Keith on Playing in the Band. During the jam part he plays, I guess 10+ minutes of perfectly seamless improv piano that sounds like a concerto. As much as I knew what a talent he was, listening to his isolated piano there made me realize I didn't know the half of it. The app can be a little bit quirky, and I could not get Bertha to work, but be patient and use a PC if it doesn't work on your phone.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 04:57

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I cobbled together a complete 6/18 using the Full-Norman for the road trips and the best sounding board from the Archive. You two have inspired me to do the same for 6/16.. in fact for all the '74 chop job shows. Thankfully they started releasing full shows for the most part. .. at least to me, I know some prefer or are ok with partial shows, which is ok, but I do prefer complete shows being remastered unless in those rare occurrences there really was a train wreck mid show complete with explosions, body parts flailing and mortally wounded lying by the wreckage. ..but I digress, thanks for inspiring me, a nice little project when I get the time.

As for the Sunshine Daydream / Veneta app.. I looked but all I could find was that there is a Sunshine Daydream week strain. I think I am going to have to seek that one out.

Edit: I went to the local store and sure enough.. they had some Sunshine Daydream buds. The stuff is outstanding.. super trippy, yields a strong, transcendent buzz.. but beware of the side effects. I snapped out of a 5-hour stupor completely naked straddling the top of a telephone pole. This stuff should come with a warning label. I've got some nasty splinters in places that, well....

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 06:07

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far freaking out man. Unfortunately for me, I live in the south where you can still get busted for smoking an herb. It's 2022 for Christ's sake. When is this madness ever gonna end? For over 50 years I have been smoking weed and it has never hurt me, well, unless you want to count that time, we smoked all that black afghani hash and woke up with our faces in our shoes, it took hours for those shoe prints to wear off.
Top five bands for me:
#1 The God Damn Grateful Dead
#2 Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, Beatles, Vguy and I have similar likes, except fish, tried them, didn't take. Yes, number 5 is whatever I'm listening to right now.
Student loan forgiveness: Wow, thanks Prez Biden for that, and thanks to all you folks who think you got ripped off and didn't get anything ("what about...pay your bills...my, my me me mine) now we know who you are and remember that we vote in November again and that you will be remembered as the ones who complained about this. Stupid republicans shoot themselves in the foot again. Again, the words of Harry Truman ring true in my ears "if you want to live like a republican, you had better vote democrat." Political rant over, for now.

A large gap before we get to number two

2. Traffic
3. The Band
4. Pink Floyd

5. My most recent concert.

Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Beatles are all stepping stones to the other stuff.

Surprised nobody mentioned the Allmans.

Yea. Student loan forgiveness. How about grow up and pay your bills.

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Submitted by Nick1234 on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 11:50

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I tend to like a few albums by a lot of bands/artists without any staying at the top or near the top of the pile. All those already mentioned plus Spirit, Dylan, Love, Talk Talk, The Fall, Van Morrison and on and on. For the last couple of years I've hardly played any GD. My interest will return I'm sure but I don't know when.

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Submitted by frosted on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 12:05

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I can't resist, I'm a list guy.

The Grateful Dead would be the only rock band that cracks my top 5, the rest being Jazz groups.

But for this, I'll stick to rock, and bands with more than just an album or two in their portfolio. Surely there are changes over time, but here's what I'd say currently based on the amount I listen to now and have listened to over the years:

1. Grateful Dead

2. Brian Setzer Orchestra

3. The Band

4. Little Feat

5. The Byrds/Flying Burrito Brothers/and associated solo projects

Impossible for me too.

Besides the GD and the Garcia Band(s).. Floyd, ABB, Hot Tuna, Steely Dan, The Band, Van Morrison, Beatles, Airplane, Burritos, Old and in the Way, Lots of bluegrass/folk/blues, goodness, we could be here all day. But to my ears and mind nothing tops the good old GD / Garcia Band.. I like many of Phil's line-ups, a lot. But hey.. I have it a go.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 13:25

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Man, glad you guys are all so cool with paying my kids' student loans, pretty cool windfall for the two that are done with college already. And don't thank Biden, he's not paying for it, we all are, so thanks to us would be more appropriate. The loans didn't really disappear, they just don't have to be paid back by the borrower.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 14:23

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1) Grateful Dead and anything acoustic or electric that Jerry Garcia played. ,2) Muddy Waters blues band, with Little Water, Otis Spann, & Jimmy Rodgers. from the early 1950s, 3) Paul Butterfield Blues Band with Mike Bloomfield, Elvin Bishop, San Lay & Jerome Arnold. Favorite musicians, B.B.King, T Bone Walker, Elmore James, Charlie Musslewhite, Albert Collins, James Cotton, Merle Haggard, Buck Owens, and on & on & on .

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 14:27

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Maybe not...the band I have listened to most apart from The Dead is sadly The Stones. The band I have seen the most, between 40-50 times over 46 years is Hawkwind. So top 5 from 1972 to now might be
1. The Stones
2. Hawkwind
3. The Cramps
4. Gong
5. David Bowie - but only up to 1980.

But in the last 12 months, I have listened to more King Crimson, who I saw for the first time about 2017, and an assortment of 1950s rockers than any of the above - Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Duane Eddy to name 5. Many more though.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 14:58

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Garcia's playing made every song better. But I never really cared for Quinn the Eskimo, Samba in the Rain, Picasso Moon, Just a Little Light, Satisfaction, Victim or the Crime, there's a few others. It would have been so much cooler if they would have pulled out Pride of Coucamonga, Mtns of the Moon, Sitting on top of the World, Attics of My Life( they did it, but not very often) and many others.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 15:33

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Almost my exact same list of least favs.
Can't do a top 5 bands either, just too many but if I look ay my collection...
GD by a huge number
Allman Bros.
Eric Clapton
If I limit it to performers I've seen live, same list but I'd add
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Albert "The Ice Pick" Collins
Return To Forever
Weather Report
Eagles (first line-up)
But I digress, cheers

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 16:32

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>98% of my music listening is GD.
I collected tapes in the 90’s, then digitized the tapes, then downloaded all the SBD’s from archive before that was blocked (think that I got about 125 GB of shn), then got shn files on DVD-R from the snail mail vines, then starting doing torrents.
I probably have 3 TB of GD torrents that I haven’t even listened to yet.
And I buy the official releases.

Of the other ~2%, JG takes up about half, then Hendrix, Floyd, Who, ABB, Led Zep, Stones, Rush, Hard Working Americans, Ziggy Stardust (my preferred Bowie era) and others. Generally live recordings, very little studio albums, although I did listen to Quadrophenia earlier this week, and will listen to Hendrix and Floyd studio albums.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 17:11

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....don't remind me. Even Vince's songs were better. Childhoods End? Trash. If The Shoe Fits? Trash.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 18:19

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VGUY72!!!!

Wave to the Wind still horrifies me to think about. Other Phil songs are acceptable.

Vince's songs were overplayed, but they are alright to me.

The others anything after 1985 gets little play from me. I do have the occasional visit to that stretch, but _occasional_.

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Double edit. Larkin Poe is playing here tonight as part of the Big Blues Bender four day festival. So is Little Feat and Buddy Guy. Unfortunately, they don't offer individual day tix. It's a $500 wristband or nothing. Hard pass. Bummer in the summer.
I'll see you eventually ladies!! Until then, keep doing what you're doing because you kick ass!

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Submitted by deadmike on Thu, 08/25/2022 - 23:10

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for info on the latest DP-volume. I have registered the tracking info in my Swedish Postal Service app but nothing so far. The wait is absolutely worst when a record has music from the late 60's or up to about 1974, because that's my main focus when it comes to listening to the band.

The past 25 years there is only ONE release I have listened to muliple times, or ONE track since I don't have the vinyl LP. That's Playing in the Band from 5-21-74, which I have in the box set Pacific Northwest '73–'74: The Complete Recordings. Okey, maybe I have listened a couple of times to the Complete 1969 Fillmore West as well. ;-)

About lists, I love lists but nowadays I usually only make lists of ten favorite artists or bands. In my dead.net profile I list my favorite bands as follows:

1. GRATEFUL DEAD
2. YELLO
3. CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL
4. QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE
5. FRANK MARINO & MAHOGANY RUSH
6. ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND
7. JERRY GARCIA BAND(S)
8. REDBONE
9. LED ZEPPELIN
10. HAWKWIND

I listen to a lot more jazz though than any of the above bands, maybe excluding the Dead.

These are the different artists/bands I have most records (LP's, CD's, 45's, prerecorded tapes, etc), DVD's and (prerecorded) VHS's with:

Grateful Dead, 224 units +
Yello, 86 units
Jerry Wallace, 60 units (only 45's)
Bob Dylan, 58 units
David Bowie, 54 units
Hawkwind, 47 units
Miles Davis, 41 units
Allman Brothers Band, 40 units
Santana (not counting Carlos Santana solo stuff), 36 units
John Coltrane, 32 units +
(Jerry Garcia solo and bands, 32 units)
(Charles Mingus, 30 units)
(CCR, 27 units)
(Led Zeppelin, 26 units)
(Marshall Tucker Band, 26 units)

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Micke Östlund,
Växjö, Sweden

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 02:29

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Frosted - of all the bands I haven't seen, the Brain Setzer Orchestra is the one I think I would most like to witness. Incredible live dvd of them playing live in Japan about 20 years ago. It was seeing The Stray Cats and The Cramps back in 1981 that first turned me on to rock n' roll. Jumping jehosophat!

Me too Dennis, probably my favorite Brentski tune.
Always liked Hey Pockey Way and Let the Good Times Roll, though I guess they all sang on that…

Perhaps the best thing about these “other” tunes was Garcia!
Picasso, Victim, Brent Tunes, Saint etc: try listening to just what JG is doing.
The guy is just so damn versatile. As good as he is “leading”, he’s perhaps even better accompanying or augmenting others!
The Maestro!

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 08:03

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For whatever reason I have always considered Dylan and Van Morrison to be solo artists rather than bands.

If I look at it that way, they displace most bands and are definitely in the top 6 (I need to make room). I would add Neil Young to that grouping as well.

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 08:04

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Nothing lasts. Including top 5 lists. On 8/26/22, at 8:15 am, my top 5 (not counting jazz) was:

GOGD
ABB
Zeppelin
Van Morrison
TTB

But then at 8:20, I realized, no way can I leave out the Beatles. They're the fucking Beatles! Oh yeah, and the Stones. So what if they haven't made a decent new record since the '70s, and I really can't bear to watch them on stage without Chollie, ya still gotta reckon with how impossibly awesome they were from '68-'72. And I spent the whole late '70s early '80s listening to punk, so there's got to be some of that in there somewhere. So at 8:10 am it changed to:

GOGD
Beatles
Stones
ABB
Clash

But then I was like, what about Dylan? Or Neil Young? I've definitely listened to them my whole damn life, a lot longer than I was into punk. Come to think of it, Los Lobos have been constant favorites since the punk rock days. And what about Hendrix, for fuck's sake?

So at 8:25 am, I just gave up.

Interesting, to me anyway, to consider why some artists fascinated me for a year or two or three, and others have stayed with me for decades. Some of it is just getting older. I'm not nearly as pissed off as I was as an 18 year old, so I don't listen to as much Black Flag or Fugazi. Some of it is just trends that come and go: I''ve had periods where I listened to prog a lot, others where all that stuff seemed horribly pretentious. I've had times when I couldn't listen to country, times when it was all I wanted to hear.

One constant has been the GOGD. They're like an ocean. There's a lot of it. It's always changing. You can float along the surface or dive deep down. There's always more to explore, and always something new to notice when I return to things I've heard over and over. I never get tired of 'em.

Love the Animal house like time stamps (like in the move when they all sync watches but all have different times; )

AND
That last paragraph has got to be one of the best descriptions of the GOGD I’ve ever read!
Sheer poetry, right up there with Ralph’s essay in the Christmas story! Teasing of course, but totally serious about your great description!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 09:38

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....The Black Crowes! They're up there on my list too.
Which reminds me.....time to dust them off. BRB.
That's actually how I discovered TTB. Saw the Crowes live a year or so ago. Went home and started watching you toob Crowe videos. One was of Chris Robinson with TTB in a dressing room jamming. I had heard of the TTB, but never checked them out. That video blew my mind, and away I went down the rabbit hole. Thanks Mr. Robinson!

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Submitted by That Mike on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 09:57

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Dennis - As an avid collector, please see Miles Davis website (store) for an offer on a new premium pressing of Kind Of Blue. You may have to tell the wife the charge was for “Miles Motors & Repair” for some nebulous “car repairs”, but I think this pressing will interest you greatly.

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Submitted by That Mike on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 10:42

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VGuy - I’ve personally just been spending the week going down the Jayhawks rabbit hole, a band always on my periphery, but I never gave full attention to. I’ve been buying their back catalogue, including solo work. One cd I had delivered was a duo effort by the two principal songwriters, Mark Olson and Gary Louris, called “Ready For The Flood”.

The producer? Why none other than Black Crowe, Chris Robinson, hisself!

The knee bone is connected to the shin bone. The shin bone is connected…

Ah, the mails in Thing! (Creak). Why the brand new TTB album “I Am The Moon”!! Fire up the CD player, Lurch, and let’s play all 4 parts of this symphony in order, to get the overall story!

Not sure why, I’ve never really checked out her music, but perhaps like a as not yet “knowing” youngster might say, “ she gives me a funny feeling” lol
She’s what known as a Hot Mess!

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Submitted by frosted on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 11:37

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Yeah, the Brian Setzer Orchestra is great, especially if you like a little jazz and swing twist to your rocknroll. They play plenty of Stray Cats tunes too, so I'd really include both of those groups in my favorites. I've seen the Orchestra once, and it was a great show, with lots of horn players and really tight musicians. I have that live disc you mentioned, listen to it a lot, along with many others by them.

Setzer is vastly underappreciated IMO. An outstanding guitarist, and he knows his jazz chords and licks better than most rock guitarists. He sometimes gets pigeonholed with the rockabilly label. That's music I like, but some people treat it as an outdated fad. He has an excellent voice too. He sometimes rants and raves when doing rockabilly, but has a very good range, and a really nice voice on the old jazz standards and doo-wop type ballads.

I first saw the Stray Cats in the early 80s too. Hadn't heard much of them, and went in thinking I wouldn't like them much, because I didn't like the punk and new wave scene that I thought they were coming out of - seemed like too much anti-Dead to me. Boy was I wrong, it was the most fun show I ever saw. In a small gymnasium at my university, I was right near the stage. Setzer had blue streaks in his hair and his shirt off on a hot night - a skinny guy with too many tattoos, but what a musician and stage force he was. They rocked the whole time - had the energy of 5 bands, nonstop, just enjoying every minute and not at all nihilistic and cynical like the punks of that era.

To catch the Cats in their prime, I watch their live show on youtube at Montreaux from 1981 or so. They were really young and rebellious looking. The stand up drumming and double bass just look cool on stage while they're constantly on the move - and those 3 instruments put out a hell of a sound for a small combo. The song My One Desire in that show sort of epitomizes a great pure rock tune for me. When I want to get fired up with adrenaline, I'll occasionally go back to that show.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 08/26/2022 - 12:32

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this one is rubbing me right....

those mentioning Jayhawks, check out Golden Smog if you get a chance or haven't already.
I'm super familiar with their first two albums (some all timers on those).
I fell into them via Jayhawks/Wilco/Uncle Tupelo/Son Volt years ago as a peripheral rabbit hole and have been in wonderland ever since.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

Sixtus - I too am a huge fan of Wilco/Tweedy/Tupelo/Farrar/Son Volt, but aside from “Hollywood Town Hall”, I didn’t know the Jayhawks, but these guys are terrific. I’m just learning about this supergroup thing Golden Smog with Tweedy and Louris and others, gonna dig deeper, thanks for the heads up.

....shipped from Austin, TX weds. Arrives two days later. I'm looking 👀 at you rhino/dead.net. See? It's not that hard to get the people what they bought in a timely fashion.
Edit. Seems I should listen to these Jayhawks. I've never heard of them.
Edited again. CD carousel is loaded up with I Am The Moon. Slightly disappointed that they didn't come in a cardboard sleeve to hold all four volumes together, but first world problems. Time to pack a bowl.

Checked around,,, if it's the UHQR version it seems to be sold out EVERYWHERE!

Will keep eye out,,, thanks for the heads up.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 08:15

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First: I had no idea ST played guitar
2nd: I had no idea ST and DT were married (my wife said they were)
3rd: first few numbers were good
Then Derek started playing with Susan off the stage.
Pretty good. Pretty, pretty good. (A curb your enthusiasm/Larry David reference)

Bottom line: thumbs up. Well worth attending. The entire band was supreme. Good vibes.

Los Lobos was good, too. My wife and I saw them 2x before: in Fall 85 in Tacoma (when we were merely dating) and in 96 at further festival at Gorge (when she was pregs with our twins)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 10:07

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I worked that show (half the tour actually), wonder if we met lol
The Gorge is sweet!

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Submitted by That Mike on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 10:12

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Hey Dennis - I double checked the email I received yesterday. It CAME from the Miles Davis site, but to purchase the UHQR Vinyl of Kind of Blue, it directs you to the following linq:
store(dot)acousticsounds (dot) com

My apologies for directing you to the Miles store.
I hope this helps! Bonne chance!

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 10:59

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Frosted - I was inspired by your post to watch The Stray Cays live in Cologne 7/16/81 show on dvd earlier today. A wild show - what a great guitar sound and style he has. Jazz inspired rock n'roll, as you say. I saw them with my brother when I went to visit him in March 81. I had little idea what to expect, and no real expectations. But they blew me away.

At that time, in England, rock n' roll had quite a cute image - although it was followed by murderous Teddy Boys who were a bit older than yer average rock fan. They took umbrage with punks and used to stage battles with them like the mods and rockers supposedly did in the 60s. I was still in full freak mode at the time - but I enjoyed fast hard rock in the 70s, so punk quite appealed to me at first. The gigs in 1976 - 1977 were a blast, but then it became a bit cliched so I stopped going. But The Stray Cats blew every punk band I had seen out of the water. They hung out with The Clash, and had a lot more bite than any rock n'roll band I had ever come across up to that point. I should say that I hadn't heard any of the great recordings of the 1950s at this point - but like The Stones and The Dead, listening to The Stray Cats opened a door into the past without being locked into it.

I can remember reading an interview with Brian Setzer, in which he said it would be too expensive to bring the full orchestra over to England. A real shame.
I don't see any contradiction in liking The Stray Cats and The Dead at all, incidentally. The week after I saw them, I saw The Dead for the first time. No need to choose between them at all. To me, the whole thing of listening to The Dead is to be open minded, and explore different styles of music. If it rocks.....it rocks!

....saw Phish there in '97 and '98. Beautiful venue and cool camping.
If you've been there, you know where the best spot is. In between the floor and the lawn is a strip of flat grass that circles the floor. At the '98 shows, I went with my wife (then girlfriend) and a buddy of mine and his girlfriend. I wanted to get in line early to snag a spot there. Wife/girlfriend wondered what the big deal was and didn't want to get in line so early. I said, "trust me. Its worth it." Mike Gordon drove by the line in a golf cart and said hello to everyone, which was very cool. Gates opened. My buddy and I scooby-doo'ed down the hill to get there. Ran so fast I lost a Birkenstock. Girlfriends behind picked it up and eventually found us on that flat strip. After we were all there, I asked my girlfriend/wife, "worth the wait?" She rubbed her toes in the grass, saw the view, caved and said, "You were correct Vinnie." We all proceeded to pop some caps and stems and Phish obliged by playing one of the most highly rated shows of that year. (And '98 is widely considered a banner year).
Wife doesn't indulge anymore, but I'm an old dog who likes his old tricks.
Shit. That was 24 years ago??
I need to get back there someday.
Footnote. We then drove south to catch them at Shoreline and Ventura. Pulled into a rest stop in No. Cal to sleep in our cars. I woke up to my girlfriend/wife laughing her ass off. Apparently, some fans that were driving the same route slept on the rest stop lawn and picnic tables in their sleeping bags and the sprinklers went off.
"Vinnie! It's so funny! They all jumped up in their bags and hopped around like Mexican jumping beans!" We sat there and watched the show, then went looking for a breakfast spot.
Good times.
Stray Cats are legit.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 11:30

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Can’t believe you anniversary types haven’t mentioned the big one today: 50 years for Veneta!
SSDD on the big screen tonight!

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Submitted by Nick1234 on Sat, 08/27/2022 - 12:04

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How often do you play those classic records that you were sick to death of back in the day? Harvest, Led Zep IV, DSOM, Sticky Fingers etc. I've really been enjoying them lately. I've completely fallen in love again with early 70s Neil Young, I'm 15 again and very happy about it.

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