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    A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

     

    With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

     

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

     

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1131
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    Simple must do audio rules

    There are many things that can be done to get your system set up correctly that often can facilitate noticeable performance improvements equal too or greater than any electronics! Best part, they cost little or nothing!

    SPEAKER PHASING: one of the most notorious mistakes that makes a huge noticeable difference and is super easy.
    Make sure your positive amp/receiver terminal is connected to the positive of the speaker, ON BOTH speakers!!
    So positive to positive, negative to negative etc. on both speakers.
    If one is wired opposite of the other, your speakers are out of phase which means their working against each other instead of with each other. Speakers move back and forth, or in and out. If one is wired out of phase that means one speaker is pushing air out while the other speaker is pulling back in, thus effecting bass coupling dramatically! So what you say? You will likely laugh or gasp at how much better your speakers sound (bass enhancement) when you hear them in phase after getting used to them being out!

    SPEAKER HEIGHT: the tweeter should always be placed at ear height. So if using stand speakers, measure so stand places the speakers tweeter exactly at listening position ear height. In conekids case he’s a little higher, which might effect his main position, but since he’s trying to cover 2 zones IR areas it’s a trade off. This is an example of how the situation may dictate slight tweaks, but you should at least start following these rules then tweek.

    SPEAKER PLACEMENT: optimally should form an equilateral triangle: same distance from listening position to each speaker, and same distance between speakers. This can be tweaked depending on several variables.
    Spread them out too far and you lose acoustic coupling and stereo imaging etc., too close together and your sound field collapses and you lose stereo effect etc. This is something you can play with and doesn’t cost anything.
    Obviously you should try to avoid placing objects in front of speakers…
    They should be placed along a wall, but out from the wall. Too close to the wall causes boundary issues that make bass bloated and unnaturally loud etc. Too far out from the wall and they can sound too thin (not enough bass).
    Again, depending on your speakers and other factors you can play with this until you get it right.
    Same with listening position: if you sit too close to any wall, but especially the back wall you’ll again suffer from boundary issues that unnaturally bloat/muddy bass.
    Really you should never put speakers or listening position next to a wall!

    RULE OF THIRDS: look it up. Though using the third dimension is usually not practical, the rule of fifths is and works perhaps better. What’s that you say? Divide your room into fifths. Place the speakers one fifth of the way in from the side walls, leaving three fifths between them. So a 20’ room would have the center of each speaker 4’ from the side walls with 12’ between speaker center points. Then, to form the equilateral triangle, measure 12’ from the center of each speaker to your ear position at your listening sweet spot! Depending on your speakers you may want to toe them in slightly versus having them point directly forward. Again, play around and tweek. Tweeting should be done vary slightly, sometimes an inch or two can make a big difference! Be slow and methodological.

    SUB WOOFERS: I’m not a fan of subs for 2 channel stereo, but they can be a necessity for small bookshelf speakers etc.
    Subs suffer even more from boundary issues described above! Corners are usually the worst place to put a sub woofer!
    Here’s a trick. Place your sub in your listening position and put on some bass active music you know well. Now crawl around on the floor and listen. When you find the place the bass sounds best, put your sub there. This is a cheap down and dirty way to deal with room modes, one of the biggest negative factors in music enjoyment. (Look them up).
    I have a fairly large above average system in a dedicated room, but my room is too narrow for my system so I often have horrible bass bloat issues because of these room modes etc. (funny but it’s mostly only a problem with old Dead when Phil was still playing Alembic lol). Usually I can just roll off a little of my 30 hertz eq nob on my C 40 pre amp. I have a DSP room unit that uses excellent Dirac SW, but haven’t gotten around to it (slacker).
    There are many solutions and sometimes DSP can help (but that won’t do pure analog folks much good) but often the best way to deal with many of these issues is to follow these fairly simple rules and play around with things.

    Oh, lastly. You can help smooth out your room by dampening first reflection points. There’s diffusion and absorption and more. But to keep it simple. We’ll just look at some basics.
    Have someone with a mirror move along the side wall with the mirror. The place where you can see the speaker in the mirror while being seated in the listening position is the first reflection point. Put something (all kinds of things both diy and professional) in that spot along the wall (and ceiling if you want to go the extra distance) that will absorb the sound, so that your hearing the direct sound from the speaker without the phase issues and coloration of the reflected sound off the wall. This is another simple but big improvement.
    You can experiment with placing adsorption in other obvious places like directly back from the speakers on the opposite wall. If you have a big room, perhaps look at second reflection points.

    NOTE: this is not sound proofing! That is a whole other field above and behind this tutorial. Save your money! Putting egg crates, foam, or most of the items for sale on line DO NOT WORK! They will not stop bass from passing through walls and structure! Some of these products may help the sound in the room, but will do nothing for stopping it’s transmission out of the room!

    SPEAKER ISOLATORS: another thing you just have to try. Using the pointy spikes or not for speaker feet. Sometimes they help other times you may want to isolate your speakers from the floor to eliminate too much bass and our help with transference to another room or dwelling.
    Oh, use a heavy carpet on the floor at least between the speakers and listening position if not bigger. Put this is yet another situational thing that you may have to play with.

    Remember folks: the situation is the boss!
    Hope this helps!

    HDCD: if everything is set up and functioning properly you can hear a difference. How noticeable or if noticeable will depend on your equipment, set up and ears. If you have a nice system and actually play discs, you might find some improvements but for many you might not really hear a difference, certainly not a huge difference so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Following the above mentioned rules as much as possible will!

    Oh, ps, the above assumes best case practices. As no room is perfect, and some are just plain awful, and many of us need to live with our significant others, ahem, obviously not everyone will be able to follow all of these.

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    Cnkd - It never occurred to me at the time that I could have asked for a brand new replacement. The replacement from the shop floor is better - the first one used to skip tracks out - with this one it's just the delay in registering which track is playing by about a second that's a bit odd. It plays to perfection apart from that. And really sounds good.

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    Good talk.

    More important to system?

    Listening!!!

    When I bought my system the guy told me, you will not hear what this system does, while doing the dishes, while cleaning, while doing anything else. You have to sit and listen.

    It's true.

    Sound systems and people are a funny thing. I think MOST people listen to the radio and only own a handful of cd's/albums, usually the stuff they listen to in high school or college,,,, after that they stop buying. Kids today seem to live off spot-e-fied and own nothing. I have found the largest genre in people's collection is christmas albums (go figure!)

    I think this group of people are the exception to that.

    What'd ya think?

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    Since there's a CD player discussion going on...

    For people who are listening on HDCD players, what sort of improvement can you hear in the audio? I would think there is some discernable improvement.

    I think I've listened to these shows 10x each. Moved on to others in the time period. Doing Dick's Picks 4 at the moment. I was not hardcore into the Dead when it was released. I imagine people were reacting even more positively into it than even this Dave's Picks, due to the Fillmore legend of the Feb 13 & 14 shows when it came out. Was there a discussion board up at the time to spread the enthusiasm?

    Vguy - good to see the red dice and green felt has returned - it's positively you.

    Nitecat - also digging TC's contributions on these shows. When he was "on" and audible, he really filled out their sound nicely.

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    Wow, Daverock that’s a pricey player to be malfunctioning, and then be replaced by a floor model (which apparently has the same defect). They should have given you a new one from the factory.

    I thought that my new Cambridge Audio CD player was defective but then realized that my Vizio TV remote interferes with it. I had the TV on and was going through the menu adjusting settings but every time I hit a button on the TV remote the CD player would jump tracks or stop playing. Was relieved to find that the CD player was fine.

    Nick, go with what sounds best to you.

    Last night spun the Anthem of the Sun CD that I bought in 1989 (it’s the 1971 remix) and it sounded pretty dull.
    Then put in Steppin’ Out CD3 and started at Truckin’. Sounded better, but not that great.
    DaP43 sounds far superior to those older CD’s.

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    Magic Ingredient

    To me, the best sounding recordings I ever heard were the first ones I got, between 1971 and about 1978. They were records, and what made them great was the magic ingredient. It had nothing to do with what I played them on. If your system captures that-you've got it. For me you can no more improve on that than you can The Grand Canyon

    Nick1234 - having said that, I got a Rega Saturn-R cd player about 3 years ago. And it sounds great - but the first one I bought had to go back to the shop after about 9 months, as some cds wouldn't play-and others jumped to the 3rd or 4th track when I wanted to hear the 1st one. They eventually replaced it with a display model from the shop floor. That is great - although I have noticed that half way through a cd...when the music for track 4 starts, the display unit still shows track 3 for a few seconds - it is slightly behind the music. But the sound quality is top notch. As for the magic ingredient....

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    I joke, but my wife has put up with my idiosyncrasies and such for 30 years, 36 if you count the time we were together before getting married. She deserves a medal, 'cause I am aware that I can be a difficult person to live with sometimes.

    The speakers have a clear pretty clear path to spread the sound around the space and the actual speakers are at the upper two thirds of about a 43 inch high tower, so a bit above the ground, and built to tilt ever so slightly to direct the sound slightly upward and fill the space nicely, so I exaggerate about the impediments, or more accurate to say I just get a little obsessive about the impediments to the sound.

    For tonight's classic '70s movie I went with the Godfather, the first one. I've watched it several times before but it never disappoints, I love that movie every time. A near perfect movie, weirdly gratifying.

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    While we're on the subject can I ask for a bit of advice? I'm in the market for a new system and at the moment I'm thinking of a Naim Supernait 3 amp and B&W 702 S2 speakers. I can audition these at my local hifi dealer. What CD player to accompany these? I'm not going for a turntable at the moment. I have 5 weeks to audition anything at my local shop before I move to the Shetland Islands and there's no hifi dealer there that I'm aware of so it's now or never. I'd sort of like to support Rega as their factory is about a mile from my current house but at these prices I'll go for the best fit for my ears.

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    Also point out....

    ....that at concerts, they raise the stacks on cables for maximum efficiency.

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    Point out to your wife that at concerts they don’t put the speakers on the floor, that would block the sound.

    My kitchen and living room are connected end-to-end, about 12 feet wide, so not a huge area to fill with sound. The speakers in the air project the sound into the kitchen perfectly, with the sweet spot from the front of the couch back to the island in the kitchen. Can also see the TV on the wall from the kitchen.
    It’s just me and my dog, so I can turn the volume up as loud as I want.

    I’ve had this new CD player for 2 weeks and have also been playing non-GD CD’s to see how they sound. The Cambridge Audio dealer that I got it from said that it needed about 100 hours of use to get broken in so I’ve been spinning CD’s instead of using my iBasso music player.
    Once the CD player is broken in I might then run it into the DAC via stereo RCA cables which I did at first, and it boosts the signal by about 20 dB according to having to turn down the volume, but I wanted to break it in sending the signal to the receiver.

    Spinning Rush - Exit Stage Left currently.
    This morning was Floyd - More and then Piper.
    I’m thinking next the Anthem of the Sun CD I bought in 1989, want to see if that sounds good or if it’s a victim of crappy 80’s mastering.

    The iBasso music players come with a burn-in adapter which simulates the electrical resistance of being plugged into a stereo system. You plug that in and put a show on loop and just let it run for about 50 hours, and then it’s supposed to be broken in.

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A sealed, unlabeled box sat undisturbed for decades on a shelf in the Grateful Dead’s San Rafael tape vault on Front Street, its contents an enduring mystery, even to those few with access to the vault. All David Lemieux knew about that box when he became the Dead’s archivist was that it contained tapes belonging to Bear—Owsley Stanley, the Dead’s first soundman and architect of the Wall of Sound. Even in the Dead Heads’ Holy of Holies, the taped-up box was tantalizing. But this was Bear’s personal property, and so he didn’t touch the box out of an abiding respect for the elder luminary of sound. Bear’s archive of Sonic Journal recordings had been kept safe for him for years within the Grateful Dead’s vault—over 1,300 reels of tape stored in heavy-duty cartons like old banana boxes. At any time, David could have popped the tops and explored them to his archivist heart's content. But they were off-limits without the nod from Bear. - Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell, Owsley Stanley Foundation

 

With a wink and a nod from Bear, we've peeled back those banana boxes to find some of the oldest and rarest of all recordings of the Dead including the double dose of shows that make up DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43. The two virtually complete performances from San Francisco 11/2/69, Live At Family Dog At The Great Highway, and from Dallas 12/26/69, McFarlin Auditorium, are complementary in their clarity and consistency thanks to Bear himself, and in their ability to foreshadow where the Dead were headed in the years to come. If the two killer 20-minute+ "Dark Stars" don't get ya, how about the Pigpen-centric sets featuring "Midnight Hour," "Next Time You See Me," "Big Boss Man," "Good Lovin'," and the once-lost-now-found complete rendition of "Dancing In The Streets," or the first full acoustic set ever performed? And we're certain you'll be fascinated to uncover the "Mystery Of Bear's Banana Boxes" as told by Starfinder Stanley, Hawk, and Pete Bell in the liners.

 

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 43 was recorded by Owlsey "Bear" Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

 

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 14:42

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Been saving my whole life for the perfect time for the morphine drip. I mean don't want to start too early...

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 16:18

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No offence intended. What I said doesn't apply in every case by any means.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 09/21/2022 - 16:28

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No offense taken. I post constantly about how hard it is to communicate without speaking and seeing another person. The fact that we communicate very well when you think about how hard it is to write words with context. I was just meaning we are all reaching that point in our lives where pains and issues develop and that have I always told friends and family that only real thing I want out of the medical community is to manage my pain as I get older. I have done plenty of opioids in my life, thai stick, pills, hospital drips, but fortunately I have never become addicted. But the day is coming, which I have prolonged almost as much as I can, that it becomes gimme gimme.

So no worries at all. I was kind of thinking the Eleven, this is the season of what, now...

I thought I wrote something innocent and honest...gimme

Had to edit 3 times, ooopps

the only thing worse then having no job is having one...this coming Saturday I had planned on going to The Vermillion Cliffs in No AZ to watch the Peregrine Fund do their annual release of captive bred California Condors but I have to work, the fact that I'll be driving close by the release area (Three miles) doesn't help...when this program started in the late 70's there were only 17 birds left, now there are a 117 birds flying free over No AZ & So Utah with many breeding couples and hatchlings in the wild...a little press handout

"The Peregrine Fund and Bureau of Land Management at Vermilion Cliffs National Monument are hosting a celebration on National Public Lands Day, Saturday, September 24, 2022 by releasing captive-bred California Condors at 1:00 p.m. MDT (noon MST, northern-Arizona Condor Time) to take their first flights in the wild. The event will be held in-person at Vermilion Cliffs National Monument for anyone interested in traveling to the area, and it will also be live streamed via The Peregrine Fund’s YouTube Channel."

I love this kinda stuff....

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Submitted by bluecrow on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 06:49

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I love that kind of stuff too and may try to check that out - drive is not quite as far as I thought. In the last few years condors occasionally wander over to our part of red rock country, and couple of folks I know had solid sightings maybe 7 or 8 years ago. Just now came across an article that references a prehistoric pictograph in Canyonlands that appears to be of a condor, which was news to me. Feel your pain as to work getting in the way of all the other stuff.

And yes, getting old can sort of be an ongoing "what now?" challenge. As my Dad's mentor told him when he turned 60 - "Welcome to the foothills." True that.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 08:04

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Thanks, Gary. Sounds as though you handle things better than I would in your position.
Regarding online communication, one of my friends told me recently that the meaning of what we post is defined by the ones who read it - not the one who wrote it. Probably blindingly obvious - but I had never thought of it quite like that before.
re Hendrix - HF is the man - but if memory of my old bootleg is anything to go by, this 4/26/69 L.A. Forum show that's due for official release soon should set our speakers on fire.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 08:56

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4/26/69 “due for official release soon” whhaaaa?
Do tell?
Isn’t that part of DP 26?
I know Dave has 4/23 on his “list” but haven’t heard of any new releases?

EDIT: oh, you guys are talking Jimi aren’t ya?

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 09:14

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Read an article about how Denver's KUVO jazz radio station has been taken over by new management that doesn't want songs longer than 6-8 minutes on certain show time slots. Might as well just say none of the giants of jazz allowed. They say they're being more inclusive but their loyal listeners have watched at least 4 of their favorite DJs fired or forced out. Complete BS! Welcome to Kenny G elevator music world. And so it goes.
Cheers

And RGM still has some DP33 vinyl in the early "discounted" batch.
They say the $175 price represents a $100 discount over regular.
That would take the per LP price from around $25 each to almost $40 with shipping + tax! Didn't check if shipping is free at that level but wow, even $37.50/LP is way up there. Get it while it's hot I guess.

Welcome to Fall. Happy Equinox!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 09:41

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That’s tragic and a major bummer as KUVO was perhaps one of the short list of great dedicated jazz stations left.
Unfortunately I haven’t listened in a couple years since they stopped broadcasting up here.
Used to be my default driving tunes : (
Progress…you can keep it!

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Submitted by That Mike on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 10:01

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1St Show - I read your piece on the Denver Jazz station regarding the 6-8 minute time limits, and that policy blows. I think you can expect that station to transition to easy listening or contemporary pop very soon. The station here in Toronto - JazzFM 91.1 - started as a college station, and has morphed into a non-profit powerhouse for great jazz, by really top notch knowledge people at the helm and the microphone. (Check them out on the Net). I support them, and aside from the very occasional PBS-like pledge drive, which are quite low key, they are a first rate station, and my go to for radio (very few commercials per federal law one of the bonuses). That sucketh about your station, and I hope there is audience blowback in Denver. A lot of arguments can be perhaps made about the true origins of rock, for example, but Jazz is quintessentially a true American art form, born and bred.

Last 5
Miles Davis - That’s What Happened (sublime)
Govt Mule/John Scofield - Sco-Mule (Allmans Meets Miles Davis)
Wilco - Whole Love (worth it for “One Sunday Morning” alone)
Jayhawks - Rainy Day Music (harmony)
Redman/Mehldau/McBride/Blade - Longgone (much better than their first release)

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 10:27

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That article was in Colo. Public Radio news feed and I skimmed it fast but if I read it right KUVO is now in CPRs family of stations. (Edit: Colorado Public Media, a part of Rocky Mountain PBS) There was already a public meeting with a mediator with lots of folks attending but it did not sound like anything was going back in the right direction. Maybe they'll listen but one of the forced out DJs had her hours dropped so low that she lost benefits and was given a time slot she could not fulfill as it conflicted with her time to care for her dying child's medical appointments. Unbelievable. Seems impossible that a public radio entity would allow such management but again, maybe I read it wrong. I mean listener supported radio seems to work around here and KUVO was always such. I'm doing my morning listening right now to their (CPR) classical station which has always been there for me and I do donate to it annually. Maybe you'll get a transmitter now (or computer server) for KUVO Oro, but we'll see if it's worth listening to. Thanks for "listening" guys.
Cheers

Edit: Got my shipping notice for 3CD MSG but no tracking yet.

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Submitted by That Mike on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 10:32

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See PM.
Thanks for the heads up on the Allman show. Sounds great, it’s in my “to do”!
Cheers!

1St Show - That is sad what appears to be happening with the station. If listeners (or likely advertisers) want watered down pop or whatever, ok, but how does great music like Jazz get heard if it doesn’t have a broadcasting outlet? I go to the gym, and they always have that Beyoncé-ish “music” rambling on, and that’s fine if it’s your thing, but no Jazz? It’s like no Dead. Yikes!

Good luck with it 1St Show.

Oro - WTF is with your hometown Bills??? Super Bowl favourites???

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 10:38

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It seems to me that in striving to make something more inclusive, the people doing so often water down the thing in question, so that it loses all the qualities that made it attractive in the first place. My local library is doing all sorts of things to get more people inside - and the more it adapts, the less like a library it becomes.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 10:39

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I've mentioned this station here before, but we're lucky here in the Twin Cities to have a member-supported Jazz station--you can stream them . . . They have had a show called Bluegrass Saturday Morning for umpteen million years, still run by the same host. Some nights you might hear the local high school jazz band, then the next night--Phish.

Jim and Hendrix, be well!

Baller, laughing about your outsourcing question. :)

Be kind, rewind.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 12:40

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KUVO can be streamed, (or it used to be?) but I don’t have a way to do so in the car so mostly stopped listening.
I’ll have to try again on the job instead of so much Dead lol. CPR is decent, and as you say part of public radio so hopefully they won’t muck it up too much, but considering how their treating their awesome long tenured DJs, it doesn't sound like it…”nothing lasts”

DAVEROCK, funny you mention libraries. The Other One is a 20 year librarian and she is really having a hard time with what it’s becoming. Part of it is the current management regime (clueless) and part is the trends. Seems it’s just about numbers now: how many visits can we conjure etc. Programs that have nothing to do with literacy are a big trend.
Hardly anyone reads anymore, they mostly come for free daycare, internet and DVDs, which is fine, but they used to really promote literacy, especially for kids and underprivileged etc. There are staff people who actually wonder “why do we need all these books”, and their currently overpaying some “consultant” to see how they can reconfigure branch space/layouts to be used for more programs etc and remove books and reference materials for things like square dancing! I kid you not! Let’s get rid of books and have a social club 🤮
One of my favorite changes: they took out all the beautiful Stickley furniture and replaced with plastic crap! Now they want to remove beautiful stone fireplaces etc, idiots!

MIKE: sshhhhhh, don’t go jinxing things. T town ain’t the only place that’s cursed! Lol.
Oh, I listen to that Toronto station whenever I’m back in the tundra, good sheet Mon!
They used to have a great one in Bu faf BITD (Jazz 88) but not sure it’s there anymore?

DHB, nice to see ya!

Libraries are struggling. I used to spend so much time in the Library. Started when I was pre-teen but getting older. Let's say 7th grade, so age 13 or so. Used to go at that age and find all the old Rolling Stone Magazines, so read about Woodstock or the Beatles, or Jimi. Had not found the Dead yet. Loved it! Also would research stuff on micro-phish, ooops, and would go thru old local papers and stuff like the NY Times or San Fran. stuff.

Not sure if y'all saw that Archive.org is in a law suit for giving digital copies of scanned books. This back and forth has gone on for years. Now, a real law suit by copywriters/publishers. You can search something like internet archive may go out of business. So I am waiting for my cc account to close this month, then plan to donate to them. That would suck tremendously if something happened. May have to survive on donations and stop allowing free check out to people of stuff where authors et. al. don't get their fees. But that is (Bob) weird, because you can go to a library and check out books for free. Have to see where it goes.

Wonder, is their a hard drive large enough to grab the tons of data off of archive? Maybe get Amazon AWS to back up stuff.

Any input would be appreciated...

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 13:04

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Thems fightin words!
Bastardos!
Whose got the pitch forks, I’ll grad the gasoline!
This is too much!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Oro - Not trying to jinx it, I’m all on board, would love to see the Queen City get some love, but you know what that “Great Lakes Triangle” does to sports teams here…
(Seriously though - now that the NHL is due back, keep your eye on the Sabres. Not Cup contenders this year, but they have quietly built a magnificent young team that will be a Force in 3 years or less. I’m Mike, and I personally endorse this message)
Interesting talk on the libraries, agree how they used to be great in their promotion of literacy programs for everyone, but geared to many of the disadvantaged, but like the school boards here, they have been co-opted by what I can only call a Woke & Kooky agenda now, which is a shame.
Also, I kind of remember that Buffalo jazz station - not sure if they are still around, but I know the jazz station I mentioned has a huge listener base in Western New York.
I hope things are good for you!

I still say it’s the water ; )

Hey, what do the Sabres and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 14:12

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Dang funny joke!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 09/22/2022 - 21:24

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....VGK paid a lot for Jack Eichel from the Sabres. Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, a first-round pick in 2022, and a conditional second-round draft pick for 2023. Better pay off this upcoming season or I'm going to revolt and throw stuff. October is the BEST sports month. Baseball playoffs. Football is in full swing. Hockey and squeaky shoes is starting. Cool.
Steal Your Faceoff.

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Submitted by drpryan on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 03:03

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The CD came out yesterday. Mixed by Jeff Norman at Bob Weirs TRI studio from the original 16 track analog master reel to reel recording. store Portmerch NRPS (email) this AM also announced the the LP will be out in the spring

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Submitted by That Mike on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 06:01

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A rule of thumb in contact sports like football and hockey is to avoid trading for players who have suffered significant injuries to the spinal column, ie - Jack Eichel. Unfortunately, Vegas may learn this the hard way. He is an extremely skilled player, the will is there, and he underwent an evidently novel surgical procedure, but as rule of thumb, the player is never the same. Vegas WAY overpaid for Eichel IMHO, and he is a big chunk of the payroll.
I hope he proves me wrong, I always liked him as a player, but when does someone ever get “better” from any injury to the spine or neck?

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 06:50

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new release from 1997 live at the Fillmore. 2 CD, 4 CD, 3 LP, 6LP. So many choices. Released 11-25. Went to Petty's web site, culled from 20 shows. Looks killer

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 08:12

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Ordered my copy of the 10.9.81 show from Bezos and not only was it six bucks cheaper, with free shipping, but it appears that it will appear on my doorstep today, on the release date, and not, you know, next month or whenever everybody who ordered via Rhino will get theirs. Meanwhile, the t-shirt I ordered from deadnet three weeks ago for my wife's birthday (last week) is also set to arrive today. This is why I believe there are no coincidences.

I love libraries. Don't know what I would've done without 'em. The local library played a BIG role in my musical education, because the periodicals sections carried mags like Rolling Stone and NME, not to mention listening stations where I could hear Monk and Miles for the first time.

I think the difference with these digital archives is that they have a theoretically infinite copies of things. It's one thing, from the copyright holder's point of view, for a library to have one copy of a book, which they purchased, and to loan it out to one person, in one town, at a time. It's another thing to make hundreds or thousands or even millions of copies available to everyone everywhere all at once. I'm not surprised that's a Thing. People who write and publish books (or write and record music) do deserve to get paid, is my opinion, and we're going to have to work how that's going to happen in the digital world if we want to have books and music and whatnot. That lawsuit is growing pains.

Sucks to hear that another jazz station is circling the drain. We've still got KCSM , "the Bay Area's jazz station," and I would highly recommend putting their app on your phone. I listen to 'em all the time, driving around, and there's some great programming to be heard.

OK, last five:

ABB: Fillmore
Tom Petty: You're Gonna Get It
TTB: The Fall
Sturgill Simpson: Metamodern Sounds
GOGD: 1.30.73 from the StL box

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Submitted by That Mike on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 08:46

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Sports talk and the Dead are not mutually exclusive. Love talking football/hockey/baseball (Go Jays!), love talking the Dead. In fact, quite the contrary. They are a perfect pairing. Going a step further, I find the Dead - like vintage wine - quite complimentary with most things. Camping & the Dead. Get togethers & the Dead. Long drives & the Dead. On and on.
It’s all a matter of finding that “right” vintage. Many on this site enjoy selections from the early Dead growing season, such as 1969; others prefer the 1971 selections (a Gold Standard for vintage). The “less aged” 90s are not as sought after, but with the right pairing, perfect.

Finally, like all wines, the Dead skew to the “Acid”-ic side. Tart, but never overpowering.

Eichel trade - one of the worst NHL trades in recent memory.

I said that last year when it was announced. Read what Mike said about players with injuries. And then go look up Eric Lindros. Yeah, I know most were concussions, but he was injury prone.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 09:51

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Nice analogy Mike!
That’s how I feel, a Dead season for every occasion lol.
Dead for labor, Dead for chilling out, Dead for FAC, hell there’s some kind Dead for everything, but like a connoisseur, you have to know your vintage!
Go Jays!

Eichel: yep, nice kid, great skills, unfortunately toast at an early age. But hey, it’s a Buffalo thing: Star player always hurt and/or under producing, goes somewhere else and becomes superstar. So who knows?

EDIT: Mike, check your PM

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 10:09

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Frantic search for 10-9-81 for some stealth Euro show.
Guess you meant 3-9-81 MSG.
I don't shop much so I was amazed how many "vendors" are selling this on the Bezos site. And at varying good prices.
Some even listed as used. Wait, what? It's not even at anyone's door yet.
Like a pre-order for used? Mine isn't even tracking yet. Ship notice was on 9-21.
So how does the S.A. River get delivery before us? Just sayin'.
Also wonder how many get to buy at wholesale to resell as these are below retail.
Cheers

I got your message, and know there is a knighthood waiting for you. A sincere thank you!

As for Eichel, I have to agree with Jack - one of the worst trades in recent history. Look up “Nathan Horton” to see a guy whose career got derailed by a bad back, right after Columbus signed him for $37million - he played 36 games only. It’s bad enough your Grandpa blows his back out - but an athlete??? Yikes!

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Fri, 09/23/2022 - 13:00

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Announce a year ahead?
A slow departure so you can wean off.
Slow, like their time signatures.
Cheers

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 05:45

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A wonderful writer, who sadly died last Thursday.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 07:01

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I read "Wolf Hall" when it first came out and was blown away by it...the second book in the trilogy "Bring Up The Bodies" wasn't as enjoyable to me...I've yet to read the third one "The Mirror & The Light", I have it but it's in that 35 or so pile of books I have that I have yet to read...my last book I read was one on Hank Aaron's pursuit of the home run record. right now I'm reading a bio on Hank Williams so I gots my Hillbilly on...

Real Gone Music emailed me to tell me that my DP33 vinyl, which was scheduled to arrive Wednesday, is out for delivery today.
Now that’s customer service. They actually tracked my package for me.

I enjoyed "Wolf Hall" more than the other books in that trilogy, although they are all good. Another great book by Hilary Mantel is the collection of short stories that goes under the name of "The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher". I believe it was written before the trilogy had been completed, to give her some relief from the intensity of writing the three novels.

Concerning books on musicians, I am half way through the Blind Willie McTell biography written by Michael Gray, called "Hand Me My Travelin' Shoes". It serves as a voyage of discovery, as Gray goes on the trail of McTell, to discover more about who he was, and what kind of life he led. It seems very good on historical detail, going back to the mid 19th century and the circumstances and consequences of the Civil War.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 10:05

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DP33 vinyl has arrived, 4 days earlier than expected.
I’ll be spinning it tonight.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 11:14

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(see avatar) has passed.
Think I'll do a Birdsong in her honor.
And a toast: Cheers all!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 12:49

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I am pouring the first half of my evening beverage to the curb in her honor.

So sorry to hear this.

Will play To Lay Me Down later tonight to seal the deal. Sending good wishes your way. It's never fun nor easy to lose a furry family member.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 13:14

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Saying goodbye to a pet is really hard

(getting verklempt just thinking about it...)

Roxie the cat and Sunny the dog say "paws up for Ms. Phoebe!"

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Submitted by That Mike on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 15:36

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Condolences on losing Ms Phoebe, 1stShow. Our pets keep us grounded, and are an integral part of our family.
Better days, ahead.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 15:49

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Can always count on the Dead clan!
Now on with the party.
Phoebe was a party girl.
Cheers

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Submitted by FiveBranch on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 15:56

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I said goodbye to my calico last November. When I put her in the carrier for the last time, my tabby immediately ran up to her and after staring at each other for a bit through the grate, they bumped noses to say goodbye. Cats are smart that way. Now its just me and the tabby. When I settle in for a serious GD listening, he often sits in the middle of the floor and I can watch his ears flutter back and forth towards the speakers. I've trained him well!

Sorry to hear about Ms. Phoebe. I'm glad you got that little bit of extra time with her since we last spoke.

Didn't make it to the condor release in person but did live stream it and it was very cool. Need to see some of those big ol' carrion eatin' birds in person.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 09/24/2022 - 18:30

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The cats bumping noses...

Wow. Great description.

Again, verklempt

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