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    Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
    Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
    Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
    Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
    Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
    Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
    Artwork by Dave Van Patten
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

    “Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

    They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

    Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

    IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

    Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • Charlie3
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    Based on the math, Grateful Dead Box sets are a bargain, and some folks Europe are paying less per unit distance for shipping than some folks in the U.S.

    If this ships from Carlsbad, CA like the Dave's Picks seem to be, then I will be paying about 1.21 cents per mile of shipping distance, and someone in Amsterdam will pay about 1.25 cents per mile. Someone in Berlin will pay about 1.20 cents per mile of shipping distance while someone living in Las Vegas will be paying about 4.79 cents per mile of shipping distance. If my math is right. The folks living closer to Carlsbad, CA will be paying quite a higher price per unit distance and folks on the east coast of the U.S. will be getting a bargain on the per unit distance cost. Shipping costs have gone up recently, as has the cost of just about everything except releases from the Grateful Dead, but considering the distances and time frames involved, we are living in a golden age, and it appears that as a function of distance, international shipping costs are pretty much in line with domestic shipping costs as a function of distance. Which is not the same as saying it doesn't suck to have to pay an extra $70 to get the product.

    Looking forward to Slow Dog's updated calculations taking into account the impact of blank disc space on the box set costs, for a per minute or per second of music price valuation.

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    ahh but this one has my all time favorite of china doll-drums-space- st stephen….on the floor we just wend wild with delight

  • mcgrupp216
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    Funny, the there’s a Wharf Rat and Eyes in the September ‘79 MSG run.. but otherwise re: additional volumes for more MSG shows, that would be neat. Also, that’s a lot of volumes!

    Hah, that said,

    9/18/87 and 9/10/91 are in 30 trips
    9/16/90 is Dick’s 9
    9/18-9/20/90 are featured in Sept. 90 Road Trips
    2 songs from 10/14/94 are on Ready or Not
    and 1 song from 10/18/94 is on Long Strange Trip

    Still, I’ll take 6 more scattered from the other years, with pleasure!

  • boblopes
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    SDN - has it been that long since PNW was released?

    Seems like yesterday I was playing that Bird Song from PNW to my daughter telling her I had a new favorite of that beloved song...

    My spreadsheet tracks price per show as well as per disc ;)

    Happy Friday!

  • billy the kiddd
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    Great box set

    This is a great box set, what a great time to be following the Dead. They were playing so many great venues still, Greek, Frost, Warfield Theatre, Ventura, Oakland Auditorium. Fun times!

  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    No, not more math

    I dig some digging to back up my unsubstantiated claims:

    2018 - Pac NW - 19 cd / $190 = $10 per disc - 15,000 units
    2019 - Giants - 14 cd + 2 dvd/ $150 = $9.38 per disc - 10,000 units
    2020 - June 76 - 15 cd / $150 = $10 per disc - 12,000 units
    2021 - St Louis - 20 cd / $200 = $10 per disc - 13,000 units
    2022 - MSG - 17 cd / $180 = $10.59 per disc - 12,500 units

    So not really a drop in units compared to previous years, other than Stl.

    Pricing was consistent in previous years excluding the Giants box, which came with 2 dvds and had two different price points for Blu Ray vs std. But other than that we were at $10 per disc vs $10.59 this year, which is a 5.9% price increase. But of course this doesn't factor in empty space on any discs. Ok, i'll stop.

  • simonrob
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    The international shipping charge for the Dave's Picks 2022 subscription was $15.99. For that they ship 4 small packages.
    The international shipping charge for the Listen to the river box was also $15.99.
    The international shipping charge for this box is $70.00. That is 4.378x higher than either of the above mentioned items.
    The International shipping charge for the Lyceum 24 LP box was $98 for an item weighing 28lbs. I imagine this Garden box weighs considerably less than that yet shipping is 70.4% of the that $98 charge. Both the Lyceum and Garden boxes are currently pre-orders.
    All orders show standard international shipping.
    Draw your own conclusions.

  • Charlie3
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    Hmmm... $70 to ship something approximately 4960 miles (the rough distance from center of US to center of Europe). That appears to work out to about 1.4 cents per mile for shipping, or if you prefer to calculate it in dollars that is $0.014 per mile. Not sure if I would really consider that expensive, more like a testament to efficiency. And don't forget, for you concerned about the climate, generally speaking, the faster you ship something, the higher the carbon output. So there's that.

  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    I get more excited about this one each day. I think 12,500 is about right volume wise - down from some of the recent 70s era box sets i'm I'm remembering correctly. And alas, the ravages of inflation have sunk their callous claws into our corner of the world now too.

    If Tony Soprano was in charge Dave would be shooting videos from the back of a pasta joint in lower Manhattan. Same sunglasses, but the line cook would be banging saucepans around and Dave would be pointing at sepia colored portraits of roadies past and sitting in front of a big plate of steaming rigatoni.

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    International Shipping - Garden Box Set

    Maybe the US$70 charge is an intended ploy to limit international demand for this box set.

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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The Listening Party downloads on the product page are mp3. There's a linque to an ALAC download of Feel Like A Stranger on my order confirmation. I think Fulda is looking for the ALAC downloads of Althea 3/9/81, and Ramble On Rose 3/9/81 that are listed under "Bundle Includes" on the product page. If they're out there, I've missed 'em too. IceCream, is there a separate Download Page? No matter, all will be forgiven once the MSG Box appears.

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Cousins, I believe these are shipping out of California again. At least the Dave's Picks have been. Must be some cheese.

Has anyone told Rhino their front page of their website says this box is available now?

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...so it was September 23, then it was going to ship on or around September 27, and now the release date is listed as September 30. So, looks like we're all Charlie Brown and dead net is Lucy promising to hold the football for real this time. Looking forward to getting this, at least a couple of comments on the digital release have suggested that the sound quality is high. Maybe September 30th will be the real release date, but one can only hope.

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Breathe in breathe out breathe in breathe out breathe in breathe out………..still waiting……..all I hear right now is crickets……maybe this will ship tomorrow……breathe in breathe out

Edit: Just got a UPS notification that something is coming from Gnarleywood !!

Edit #2: just got a shipping notification from dead.net

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UPS not yet in possession of the package…..

Coming by mail innovations…..

UPS notified me an hour before Rhino notified me.

Hi, I received the following email on 16th September.

Hello Colin,
Thank you for your purchase of the IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN ’81, ’82, ’83 (DEAD.NET EXCLUSIVE)[17CD] set.
There was a slight delay in producing your box set. Your order will now ship out on or around 9/27/2022. (You will receive a confirmation email when you order ships.)
We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
Sincerely,
The Dead.net Team

I haven’t had any notification that the item is on its way to me yet, but I’m fairly sure it will turn up eventually.

You will get an email from Rhino when your shipping label is created
If you never get emails from Rhino then check your junk email box.

I have an account with UPS. Anytime that a shipping label is created for my address UPS notifies me that something is being shipped to me.
UPS notified me that something was coming from Gnarlywood and hour before Rhino notified me that a tracking number had been created.

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To UPS ground. As a result, mine hasn’t started moving yet……..Ugh I should’ve left well enough alone

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Yeah, nothing for me. I didn't get one for Dave's 43 either.
Man, I had no idea one could upgrade the shipping...I'm just all together lost over here.
Ha.

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...I always loved that commercial as a kid.

Carry On, please.
Sixtus

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Ups has no knowledge of this, dead.net doesn’t respond to inquiries. I’m at a loss
I think I’m done ordering from here, it’s just too stressful

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Hasn't this box just been released? I don't get why people are bothered about tracking or getting emails to tell them something is on the way. If something hasn't turned up a few weeks ( depending on where you live) after it's release date, that's a different matter. But otherwise it may just be best to forget about it and trust it will arrive when it arrives. And if it doesn't, take appropriate steps. I've never been let down yet in the long run.

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Yeah this production and shipping fiasco is the gift that keeps on giving. Received an email today that it will arrive October 6th!! Kind of pisses me off that music I paid good money for to get when released is being played on Sirius on Saturday while I wait for my order to get shipped. Bad show Dave.

FYI, received shipping notice, tracking says arrival on Saturday.
I’ll believe it when it’s in my grubby little hands but at least it’s in motion…

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I got an UPS notification (I signed up a few years ago) to get ready for a package (from GNARLYWOOD). No notice from DEAD.NET but the day ain't over yet. Maybe they are sending a mass email later today. At least it looks like straight UPS and not UPS Mail Innovations.

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Yes!

I got it!

A shipping confirmation!

Unfortunately, it was a shipping confirmation for DaP 41 that failed to arrive at its destination earlier...

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Shipping Label created, which of course is not a shipping notification.
Product indicated UPS Surepost, which UPS describes as:

UPS SurePost® is an economy service for your non-urgent, business to consumer needs of low value. UPS makes the shipment pick-up, and the U.S. Postal Service® (USPS®) makes the final delivery, seven days a week. Sunday delivery is only in select areas.

Good to see they think the $200 plus I spent with shipping and tax is low value.
Surepost is the worst, takes at least a week.

Looking forward to it by next weekend.

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....I love it!
You're not serious I hope. 😆
BTW, for my friends here that have been paying attention to my family stories I tend to tell here, the granddaughter that I walked down the aisle is pregnant.
Guess a New Orleans honeymoon has some voodoo.
Grate-grandpa again! 🥳
If it's a boy, she said his middle name will be Vincent. But, girls run rampant on my wife's side. We shall see.

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Yesterday I got a shipping confirmation mail from the GD Store saying the box set was on its way. Using the tracking number I saw that UPS had created the label. Today I got an SMS from UPS saying that it will be delivered tomorrow. In the Netherlands. No alternative USPS tracking number from UPS either. Tracking showed that it is on its way. I would be truly amazed if it gets delivered tomorrow but I can only wait and see.

Looking at the tracking for mine I notice it is using UPS Worldwide Saver as a delivery method. This apparently guarantees (?) second day delivery to most places in the world, so since UPS has your item you may well see it tomorrow. This expedited delivery might explain the high postal charges. Of course, my order is at the ‘label created’ stage and has yet to reach UPS so it will take a little longer!

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I'm not sure what's worse -- ordering on the first day of availability and still getting a delayed shipment email. Or finding out my $15 shipping fee only pays for UPS Mail Innovations, quite possibly the worst shipping service on earth. Maybe I'll receive my box set before Christmas. But I can promise you my tracking number will still only say "Label created" on the day it arrives. If it arrives.

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is such a drag. Instead of stories from people who were there or discussion about a box set release from the early 80s!, or discussion about the new songs they're breaking out we get the longest ever version of Gripes about International Shipping Rates -> Space -> I Didn't get the E-Mail, with an encore of Waa I'm Getting it too Late-> U(P)S Blues.

Hey, did anybody get the new MMW box set? No - because they don't release anything. How about that killer '95 Phish run? Nope only digital. Here's to Dave and Company for continuing to release shows in analogue format.

Ok, better get back to the griping now.

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You mean you're not interested when each individual poster gets their box delivered?

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I just want to know if Cousins received his Cheese from Wisconsin?

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I hope it was cheese curds.
Cheese curds are amazing.
Especially Wisconsin cheese curds.

Be well People!
Sixtus

Unfortunately, I am not joking. I still have not received DaP 41. But apparently it's on its way! Again!

And actually I never got DaP 39. I had a friend buy it for me in the secondary market, from Italy. Set me back $65. Extremely frustrating when you have a subscription since DaP 1, I can tell you.

One tip: do not ever move!

I actually foresaw this when I moved from a village in the Netherlands to Bonaire (in the Caribbean), so I changed my adress IN the Nerherlands to my mothers' adress in The Hage, a rather major city in the Netherlands. Having everything sent to Bonaire would be asking too much.

And I changed the adress not during the subscription year, but starting with the new year 2020. 37, 38, 40, 42 and (apparently) 43 arrived without any trouble. 39 and 41 never arrived, and 41 is now sent again.

But hey, it's the music that counts:)

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I saw Rammstein at the LA Coliseum last Friday. What a trip... I don't ever listen to them but some friends are big fans and gave me a ticket. Helped that there was a black Chevy Camaro with 12k miles on it in the queue at Hertz when I grabbed a car.

Turns out Camaros are great for the driver and not so much for anyone who has older friends trying to get in and out.

Had a great, drunken dinner at the Rainbow Bar n' Grill and many fantastic moments of Southern California yet again. Had not been out there rocking and rolling for 8 years! Since seeing Motley Crue on their first "farewell" tour at the Hollywood Bowl.

This box set will arrive when it arrives, in a few days I guess. When it does I'll feel a little bit guilty for the indulgence (not sure why), immediately burn it into iTunes and put the whole thing on shuffle.

Be well everyone. We who are not in Florida, Russia or Ukraine are blessed.

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....jealous.
Ledded shaking the dust off.
There's this band called The Warning that has gotten my attention.
Three sisters from Mexico.
Talented. Especially the drummer.
Playing here 10.7. Tix $36 after fees.

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Estimated delivery: 10/6 by 7:00 PM. If that happens, it'll be a great night. First period on Thursday will be rough, though.

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...but Head Cheese; regardless it didn't arrive, it was my wife's new hat in that package. Arrived in great shape, with a low serial number. Thanks for the support!

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and it's as big as a safe deposit box. Shelf rearranging will be necessary.

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I received a shipping notice with tracking on September 27th (my 55th b-day incidentally) and said estimated arrival is Sunday October 2nd. So far the tracking hasn't changed from "label created" status as of yet 3 days later. Sunday is 2 days away. I have doubts it'll arrive by then. It still has to get stuck in Illinois for another 3 days, so maybe by Sunday Oct 9th realistically.

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Cover artwork - if anyone can scan or extract each individual show artwork and post them here. That would be awesome and much appreciated!

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I ordered this gem last night and received a notice stating that I should have it on Oct. 5, 2022!

YES!

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I just received this box set. Can't wait to start playing it. But for the life of me, I can't find the number of the box set. Does anybody know the location of the individual box number? I'd appreciate anyone with better eyes than mine telling me where it's at. Thanks.

The box set number is printed on the right-side outer edge of the packaging, just under the magnetic flap. Box #06897 just landed in Irvine, CA :)

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Thank you so very much. I found it. Of course that was the only place I didn't look. I searched everywhere on the box, on the cds and in the book multiple times ... but not there. Thanks again.

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I have been going back and forth on purchasing this box set. It is not a question of getting it but more so regrading if I want the Cds or download. I am seriously running out of space. In my humble abode , our smallest bedroom is my chill out space. It is multi-purpose as it houses my computer, all of my CDS, and my Star Wars, Lego and Gi Joe collections. I think this release will be great, but I think I may go with the download because I am bursting at the seems. However I am particular about owning the CDs that I am not sure if I will be able to convince myself to go with the download. Regardless I am looking forward to everyone's reviews of these shows while I am making my decision.

On a different topic, I recently had weird awakening where I became, for a lack of a better word, obsessed with power trios. Cream is up there for me, but I also revisited Rush. I am familiar with their music, but I never really "listened" to it until recently. I have quickly become amazed by Rush's playing and I am taking a deep dive into their surprisingly large live catalogue. I would love to hear opinions from the Jedi Council who frequent these comments on this band. Also I would live to know if anyone caught one their live shows and what that was like.

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....I only saw Rush once during their Moving Pictures tour, but that cat has seen them multiple times (I think).
Oh. And they were incredible 🍻

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9/30/22, Just received my In and Out of the Garden purchase. I always check all the discs on my computer, and this is what I found: Discs 4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 all are missing CD info as follows, Artist, Album, Genre, Track #, and disc#. You insert disc expecting to have the info show up, and there’s nothing. Disappointed now that I have this set, that I have to ask for a return, hoping the replacement isn’t messed up too.

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