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    Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
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    Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
    Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
    Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
    Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
    Artwork by Dave Van Patten
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

    “Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

    They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

    Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

    IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

    Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • #361
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    I like Drums/Space

    84 and 85 were good years for D/S to my ears.
    Also like the modern midi versions since those were the years I was going and so I know, from a visual perspective, what the lights looked like while all the sounds were happening.

    I’m looking forward to this Box. I had a good sounding copy of 3-9-81 on cassette, and later upgraded to CD-R, but I expect that it will sound far superior in this Box.
    A lot of my early-80’s shows that I had on cassette often sounded sped up a bit, from a tape deck running at the wrong speed. Don’t know if that was from the master deck or later in the generations.
    These shows say speed corrected and Plangentized, so they should be cleaned up pretty nice.

  • #362
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    This is better than that

    Oro-that makes sense what you say about how some shows get to be regarded as classic, while others get passed by. Both 8/27/72 and 5/8/77 have suffered from reduced status in my ears since I have heard other shows from the same timespan. It surprises me looking back at the first Taping Compendium how some of the Europe 72 shows are dismissed - yet to me, every time I play any one of them, I love it. Maybe the people who wrote the book just didn't have very good tapes. Paradoxically, they go on for pages about how great 8/27/72 is.

    I like to think that the reason I now like some years a lot more than others is because I listened to so many tapes from all years between about 1987 and 2004, and gradually found I liked some a lot more than others. I didn't plan it that way. The official releases added to that a bit too. 1972 just seems to get better and better. Some years don't though! Just for me - that's not an objective view.

    As a rule of thumb, maybe......if someone disses a year or show-ignore them and find out for yourself. If they overload a show or year with praise - give it a listen-they may be right!

  • #363
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    Charlie3 that Space>Fire on the Mountain from that lp is in a class by itself. That also is the one that got me really interested in what the Dead were doing. I like Drums>Space alot too, reason why I went to a lot of shows, to see what they were doing during those segments, Infared Roses for sure.
    The Drums>Space in later years 93-94 were also very good, and long. I always look for "The Last Time" after Space in those later years, it's was like this could be the last time your ever hear such sounds. Space is the Place

  • #364
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    Good Analysis

    Good post Oro, I would pretty much agree with your analysis of the issues regarding recording quality vs. show quality. All else being equal, I prefer a high quality recording, but, having said that, I find that if a show is good the impact of the recording quality fades into the background pretty quickly as my ears adjust.

    As far as the early '80s stuff, there is a lot of great stuff there, I particularly dig some of the Scarlet Begonia's > Fire On The Mountain sequences from that era, for example on DP 6, the secret tracks on DP 13, and of course that Space>Fire On The Mountain transition from Dead Set, which was one of the things that hooked me on the Dead in the first place. I used to have a cassette of a JGB show from Music Mountain in NY in 1982 with a smokin' Don't Let Go, so there are plenty of times that Jerry was on fire in the early '80s, with the Dead and otherwise. And while not everyone digs the Drums > Space sequences, I do, a lot, and there are plenty of good ones in the early '80s. But, it doesn't affect my enjoyment at all if there are folks who don't like this, or other eras. I dig what I dig, and others are free to do the same, it's no skin off my back.

    Starting todays listening with Electriclarryland by the Butthole Surfers. Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies, you never know just how you look through other people's eyes...

  • #365
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    RE: Been Wondering

    First no offense to anyone as I’m sure my opinion will not be shared by many, but he did ask.

    I think the whole culture has been suffering from the over influence of taper bias all along. Dave is a prime example. How many times have we wondered if he picked the right city and street, but ended up going to the wrong house. Conjecture to be sure, but a plausible argument by some.)
    So What’s this taper bias that you say!
    Way back when, when there were very few tapes: taping was verboten so harder to do, the equipment to make tapes was mostly lousy, so it was harder to get a great recording.
    So BITD, with Sound board tapes, (though not accurate in any way), you could often get a much better, listenable recording, comparatively. So though they aren’t accurate (they don’t sound like what the actual sound of the instruments are in the room it’s performed in etc), they became the go to standard. Plus no one likes to listen to THAT guy yell in the most heavy NY city accent “Dddddaaaaaaaaakkkk Sssssssttttttaaaaaaaarrrrrrr Jjjjjjjjjj-rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee” every three minutes the whole night!
    Now add to the above, the increased frequency response provided by using reel to reel, and most importantly, having a somewhat dedicated individual utilizing a separate mix just for the recording versus using the afterthought house mix, and the mythical status of such tapes was enhanced.

    So when you had very few good tapes, shows that were good, versus great, started getting mythical status since there weren’t many other shows to compare too. To me, that’s how certain shows have become significantly overrated over the years. If a ridiculously good sounding tape of what is arguably only a “B” show, was the only reference and the tapes from “A” shows were not good, the B show, through tape traders WOM, like some ancient cultural tribe passing secrets and knowledge around the camp fires, was elevated to a status it may not relatively deserve.

    But today, via the archive and so many official releases, if one takes the time to listen to a variety of shows from all eras etc, you will notice that much of what has become thought of as common assumptions about certain shows/eras etc, (the music itself) are not fully accurate, thus perhaps robbing some of the pleasure and enjoyment of these dismissed out of hand shows, because of some of these bias’s that were planted long ago.
    Interestingly, as recording and other related technology has improved significantly, aud recordings often became better than SBs. But the bias that SBs were the only way to go had become so ingrained in the culture to the point that the majority of folks never check out Auds, unless it’s the only source available, or the SB is unlistenable. And yes, there are perhaps more lousy sounding Auds than great ones, but when done well, they can be spectacular and a much more accurate representation! Personally, nothing beats a properly done matrix!
    Ironically, while technology improved, the later era SB recordings were often diminished. But this is not because the band is “ragged” or the music is lessor, or not good! (Yes one can argue the mid eighties suffered some of that, but I feel there was a trade off there)
    No, once again, much of the stigma that came from the fact that many of the tapes were now produced as an afterthought, and for the mixer to use as a tool, a secondary concern, by Dan Healy who’s main concern was live sound reinforcement, not making a recording, combined with the lower fidelity of cassettes.
    That’s not to say that sometimes those SBs are still pretty damn fine for what they are: we have ample proof from several official releases! But no matter how excellent, they aren’t going to sound THE SAME, or as good as a recording by a dedicated mixer using reel to reel tape.

    So to me, the problem then isn’t so much the sound/music/band, it’s more personal, psychological, based on bias’, assumptions, and personal preferences, often stemming from recordings, not personal experience. And hey, I’m not trying to sway anyone from their pleasure zone etc. Just saying you might be surprised at how good other stuff can be, given the right ears and attitude.
    I just find personally, the quality of the show, the playing, the set list, and most of all, the effort and X factor are just as important or more so, than the recoding. I’ll take an ok recording of a ridiculously hot show over a pristine Betty reel of a so so show any day! In other words, I’m more interested in what goes in the container, versus what kind of container is used. But many people have become so biased that if it’s not a Betty board it’s not worth listening to, which is certainly their choice, it just seems so limiting and i feel bad that folks may be missing out on so much good stuff for what may not be an accurate reason?

    The other thing that allows me to be open to all eras, is not to compare apples to oranges etc. I only compare shows within a tour, or perhaps a year. The Dead was so fluid, and thus different, on many levels that to compare say, anything from 68 to 78, is futile. So by not getting hung up on those incomparable comparisons, it allows me to take each show as it is, on its own merits and failures, which every show has both, imho.

    Just to be clear, I am not trying to argue that one era is better than another, (everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions and preferences) only that perhaps SOME folks may be biased about such, due to taper bias, or cultural stereotypes, instead of first hand empirical knowledge.
    As one who has spent a fair amount of time the last several years trying to go furthur (check out Pick of the Day with discussion) adventuring into many of these “fly over tours” I have come to realize just how good and often consistent the band was more often, and during times, that many would never consider, out of hand, because of negatives biases passed down through the years etc. I’ve found very enjoyable GOGD from every year, it’s just some years/shows have higher batting averages. Just gotta poke around!
    So I’m sure the shows in the upcoming box will not sound the same as a pristine Betty, and via the constant evolution of the band/music, may sound different than your favorite year, but that doesn’t mean that it’s bad, or lessor, or not worthy, just different, so what?
    I think this box is going to rock because of the quality of the shows, and the impressive audio improvements provided via plangent and full Norman etc. comparatively, if you compare to the comparable.
    If your a big Deadhead, and there were no Betty’s, or multitrack masterpieces, and all you had to compare was similar material, I’d bet many would think much more highly of this release, and of this era!
    Obviously, not everyone’s going to like everything or in the same way.
    But I think most folks who give this a proper consideration will be pleasantly surprised.
    So yeah, I think recordings have had a big influence, but not in a good way.
    Anyway, hopefully that at least makes sense, and again, not trying to sway anyones preferences, just suggesting perhaps a different perspective?

  • #366
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    Hey Campaign,

    So, yes, definitely. I've thought about that a few times myself and I think the overall quality of the recordings is one reason why people don't go for the early 80s that much. It's amazing how with 15-20 years of technology and the soundboards got worse. Ha!

  • #367
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    Good tip Jim!

    I actually made a backup of the entire local iTunes library and did a clean fresh install of iTunes.

    The cloud then pulled down everything “as was, prior” - the version with the original screw ups whose correction led to the larger problem.

    I carefully went through and corrected those, and bizarrely noticed a lot of other duplicate tracks and errors in a load of earlier rips “corrected themselves”.

    I can only conclude that my pre-cloud and post-cloud libraries were clashing and iTunes Match couldn’t handle certain releases.

    For instance, Nightfall of Diamonds and Crimson, White and Indigo both had three copies of each track under one Album title, with each track being slightly differently named. Whatever I did cured that, making those playable again.

    I will go a redo the original Dick’s as a matter of course using newer encoding and better bitrates. Otherwise, touch wood, whatever I did to phuck it all up, I managed not to repeat. Note: do not rip Dave’s to iTunes when suffering confusion due to toxin build up in the brain! Lol. As I said, all sorted with that now, and it’s so much easier to handle the little details. A month ago, I couldn’t remember my age or phone number and was a bit of a babbling imbecile. I just didn’t notice at the time.

    I don’t know about y’all, but I like my shows to run in order, so if a Dave’s comes with another half show as filler over two discs, I’ll call that disc 3 and rehash the track info to get the playing order to my liking. That’s where I screwed up. I think.

    Anyway, all seems good now, and I see what you mean about the physical library and how iTunes orders / makes its media folders. Good tip!

    But above all, I now have a backup scheduled!

    Thanks again!

    S.

  • #368
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    Re: DOINGTHENEEDFUL

    Your Metadata for the most part should still be intact. I think your cleanest way put is to import your library folder by folder. The song names, album names, etc. should come through exactly like you had before.

    I think..

    Good luck. We've all had something like this happen at least once.

    Edit: It pays to clean up your metadata after you rip a show and put all the songs in the same folder, i.e. 1969-11-02 Family Dog. These CD sets often create a new folder(directory) for each CD using lord knows what name... the better it's organized the easier it is to recover.

  • #369
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    It’s all under one roof now!

    Guess who’s iTunes decided to interpret a change of album art for one GD track?

    Yup, you got it!

    Just turned my entire GD iTunes library into one massive album (Dave’s Picks 36)! Well done Apple! No undo button… no pre-process prompt. Just Bam!

    So, that’s everything GD Store from DP1 and GrayFolded to now, minus a medium hiatus owing to grumpiness on my part…Including a few cheeky Boots’ including 1/11/90, all of the Download series of which the original files are god knows where…

    So, do we make lemonade and use this an excuse to start again from scratch? Better bitrate lossless rips etc. reacquaint myself with some of the original Dick’s gold? Fix a few buggered files and odd names etc?

    Or do I try and fix the metadata and somehow manually rebuild the titles? I have the file created dates and the actual library has retained the folder structure at least, so physically, I have a skeleton to work from.

    One seems like a lot of effort but perhaps quicker, the other seems like a long long project, but maybe worth it it in the long run…

    Answers on a postcard? Bummer is that I can’t listen to Dave’s 43 until I commit one way or the other, because so far nothing has synced to the cloud version. As soon as I go online with that broken list, I just know the cloud version will also become “embuggered”. Serves me right for having the brain fade (literally, I had a mild brain cognitive function issue that led to the original screw up that I was trying to fix… I’m all good now though! :-) )

    I work in IT and never made backups. What a loser!

    There is another option, the nuclear option. I’m sure I installed iTunes from scratch and then it populated from the cloud version last time I got a new laptop. Maybe that’s a way forward? But where’s the fun in that?

    Love you all! And thanks again to Dr Rhino for going above and way beyond to help with a busted disc issue recently... Means the world to me, and I can’t say thank you too many times.

  • #370
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    Folks! Been wondering about…

    Folks! Been wondering about something in advance of the MSG 81-83 box and wanted to solicit some crowd thoughts.

    Obviously there are some Heads who are first-half-80s super fans. I haven't been one of them, nor are my Dead friends. I think part of that has been assumptions about how ragged the band was in the first half of the decade.

    And I'm wondering if assumptions about those years are in part down to just not having as good tapes of that era.

    That is, while the era was objectively rougher, fewer people know about how many highs and gems there were simply because the years are lesser heard, and they're lesser heard because non-aud tapes -- soundboards from cassettes -- aren't as good.

    Any truth to that idea in your humble opinions?

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500

“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke

They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.

Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”

IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”

Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Fri, 09/30/2022 - 18:12

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I don't know when I'll get to these shows. Getting too far behind with too much music. Just finishing the Waiting for Columbus and Zappa Erie boxes. This box gets in the queue behind New Riders at the Lyceum and Creedence Live at the Royal Albert Hall. Off to see a Zep tribute band tonight called Get the Led Out. Got the earplugs.
GratefulHan: I have been diving deeply into Rush reissues for the live content. Will discuss tomorrow. Peace out

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 09/30/2022 - 18:43

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....going with 9.20.82 first because it has a Shakedown and a Throwing Stones -> Day Job and a Spanish Jam -> Truckin'. That's why!
Plangent does it again. Sounds grate!
One thing I noticed right off the bat is the CD sleeves have a 3D effect to them. The magentas and greens are strong with this one.
The book is really cool. The lengthwise size serves well regarding pics and it comes with postcards and stickers and a black and white page of the artwork you can color yourself if you want!!!
The art has "look at me while tripping" all over it. I get IT. And I reserved the perfect spot to place it in my humble abode.
Oh. And happy 58th birthday Trey! Love you man. If I didn't have to work today, I would've trucked on down to Riverside to see you tonight.
Gratefulhan and Sixtus need to meet up. Star Wars and Legos and the Dead. A recipe for awesomeness 👌

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Submitted by Spudlink on Fri, 09/30/2022 - 19:41

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I’m a little light on funds but don’t want to miss this set. Hoping I can wait a month or two.

Get the R40 6-Blu-ray Box.
You’ll thank yourself for doing it.

Note that there are other R40 releases, you want the Box that has 6 Blu-ray Discs in it.

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 10/01/2022 - 04:15

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Grafefulhan - that Cream box set that came out a few years ago of three shows from the last tour of America in Fall 1968, plus The Royal Albert Hall show, is incredible. Hopefully there will be more.
The other power trio I've had on the go in the last week is the box of Grand Funk albums-"Trunk of Funk Vol 1." The first 4 - "On Time", "Grand Funk", "Closer To Home" and "Live Album" are a blast.

Good to read the new box is living up to expectations.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 10/01/2022 - 08:22

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Good to see ya!
Keithfan2112 is the guy your looking for!
I did have the pleasure to see them on I believe the Hemispheres tour in 79 and loved it.

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Sat, 10/01/2022 - 10:48

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I concur with Conekid on the R40 6 Blu-ray set.
Other recent acquisitions:

Moving Pictures 40th on CD has a March 1981 offering from Maple Leaf Garden

Fairwell to Kings box on LP has a Feb. 1978 show from the Hammersmith Odeon

Permanent Waves box on LP offers world tour selections from 1980

Time Machine reissue on LP has good cuts from Cleveland 2011

Those LPs ain't cheap!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 10/01/2022 - 11:41

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....not bad. Not bad at all!
Onto the 21st!
Ooooh. That's the show where they open with Playin' into Crazy Fingers. I remember this one! One of the first tapes I ever got I believe. Been a long time. Time to turn it to 11. Got the house to myself. Sorry doggies.
The color palette is trippy AF. Very cool. Smacks your eyeballs in person. Pics don't do it justice. Good job dead.net. 👏👏
Edit. 9.21.82 drumz for the win!
Warning. Rough cut during Loser on this one. Patches anyone? Another one going into NFA. 10 seconds of AUD. But that one is cool cause you can hear the crowd going "yeah!" Gotta keep the train chugging along. Badass show right there.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Sat, 10/01/2022 - 20:16

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VGuy, Daverock, Oro, Conekid, Bigbrownie (I apologize if I missed anyone):
Thanks for all of your input/advice- this is where I go for knowledge and wisdom on such things. I will be on the hunt for R40 box set.
Bigbrownie- I actually picked up 3 out the 4 CDs you mentioned. The only difference is Instead of the Time Machine reissue, I got the Hemispheres 40th Anniversary reissue. The combined bonus material constitutes 3 complete live shows (1978, 1979, 1981) and selections from the 1980 world tour.

Daverrock- that Cream box set has been on my list to get for a while now. I have it sitting on my Amazon cart.

Regarding the GD MSG Box, I saw that there may be some glitches with the downloads which, along with the technological demons that haunt me regularly, is always my fear. I am working on my space issues in my chill room and I imagine that my decision will be to get the CDs instead of the download.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 00:01

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So a few of us are wending our way from Saint Paul, Minnesota to Madison to see Furthur in 2006(?). They're still my favorite post-Jerry GD band . . . but I digress . . . we're almost to Madison when we stop for gas and a pee break. Checking out with pop and chips the clerk says, "You HAVE to buy these curds! They JUST brought them IN!" We say, "Curds, yah, no". She says, "NO!! These were made about twenty minutes ago!" So I say, "Okay. We'll get some and eat them after the show tonight, thanks." She says, "NO!! You don't get it!! You're never going to eat curds like THIS!" So we purchase some and promise to eat them right now, and as soon as we're on the road we start eating them . . . and WOW! she was sooooo right! They squeaked and tweaked and made our day! In Sconie (WI) they're called Squeakers, and we found out why--because they squeak when you bite them if they're FRESH!

We had paid (at the time) ridiculous fees ($125) for sitting sixth-row center for Furthur, but they KILLED IT, and I've not seen anything like it since.

Never heard of it before, but bizarrely, it was referenced in the book I was reading last night - "Clandestine" by James Ellroy. Maybe it makes an appearance in most books, and I just haven't noticed until now.

Gratefulhan - that Cream box is probably my favourite recording of theirs. Or of Eric Clapton, come to that. This"Nothing But The Blues" live set looks worth checking out though.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 02:09

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....but he puts on a great concert.
Even mentioned it being the 5th anniversary of Oct 1.
We were approached by a staff member while in line for drinks and was asked if we wanted upgraded seats.
Now, I don't know how he knew his seats were better than ours, but he was correct.
Was in a very cool section and many minds were blown.
Powerful stuff.
Made a couple new friends on the way as well!

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Submitted by duncanlambe@gm… on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 07:15

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These are an awesome set of concerts and I’m enjoying them hugely. But there are some issues with the downloads. Sometimes there’s a little gap in the middle of songs. 2 seconds or so, which really breaks the flow. Is it worth downloading again? Advice welcome.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 09:03

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…about Furthur, I have no idea about cheese curds ; )

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 13:38

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caught their Roll the Bones tour in 94, it was awesome, those bouncing giant rabbits on either side of the stage were trippy. Or were they really there? They ran thru some of the cuts off that lp and then did some deep cuts and some hits, quite remarkable for a three man band.
Man, sorry to hear about the cd's not having any info on them, hopefully that's not the norm. If not, you can get replacements, never let me down yet on replacement product.
Another box I did not order, hopefully maybe later but not now. How's the mix? Jerry up and audible? Can you hear Bobby's guitar? sometimes he was washed out of the mix back in those days. Any reviews are appreciated and welcome.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 10/02/2022 - 15:21

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It’s not the new MSG box - I won’t revisit shipping fees again, that’s done and dusted - but Santa Jeff brought me the new Wilco Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (Super Deluxe Edition) 8 CD box today. Much grander packaging than expected, so I’ll be getting into that beauty this week. Incredible that there are still 80+ unreleased tracks from that great album on this set, considering they also had released the 4 disc set of rarities from these sessions a few years back. Regardless, this Wilco box is not a bad consolation prize, but I’m reading the Dead MSG box is terrific.

Dennis - I knew this Wilco one would be in your wheelhouse.
Cheers.

Killer, man. It is only you and I and a few other, proud crazies of our ilk who would get the Dead and then be able to bang head to the greats of classic metal.

Saw Schenker from literally two feet way on a small stage in Denver and then again... He works hard for the money (maybe even as hard as Donna Summer).

Your posts help keep this site alive! With real love and feeling. Get out there and kill it brother.

\m/

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 10/03/2022 - 03:35

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Sounds like you chose wisely. The live music that came with the 40th anniversary editions of Farewell To Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures is all fantastic.

For me personally, the Moving Pictures live material has been a teaser in the making for 10 years, that almost didn't appear was going to happen. Back in 2012 they released a 5.1 Surround release of 2112, which was their 1976 studio record. It included 3 live bonus songs of tracks from the record: 2112 Overture, The Temples Of Syrinx, and A Passage To Bangkok.
The problem with these bonus tracks, is that the Overature and The Temples Of Syrynx were taken from The Moving Pictures Tour, which, along with Permanent Waves was the absolute apex in their live sound; it was also the peak in their guitar-driven studio prowess. Back in 1981 they released Exit...Stage Left, their second live album, a double LP consisting of three sides Moving Pictures Tour / one side Permanent Waves Tour (side 2). It's a kick-ass album, but was in effect missing roughly half the Moving Pictures set list (the woes of the limited vinyl format). As they didn't want to repeat any tracks from their first live album, the 2112 Overture and Temples was excluded, along with some great stuff from Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and....Moving Pictures.

So I'm sitting there with my 5.1 Surround Sound version of 2112, with two of the best live recordings Rush ever released as bonus tracks from the Moving Pictures Tour. They sounded fantastic, were mixed better than Exit... Stage Left, and would leave any Rush fan wanting for an entire Moving Pictures release; it was about time. Or not.

The live reserves were reserved for 40th Anniversary Box Sets, and they all came out in the 40th year. Except Moving Pictures. There was not a word of any plans for a 40th Anniversary release throughout all of 2021. Wtf right? Well, who knows why the delay just the year (and a year late) the Moving Pictures 40th came along with a full show remixed from the multitracks by original producer Terry Brown and is everything I hoped it would be, from the 2112 opening to the Hemispheres Prelude, to Natural Science, Camera Eye, and many others that missed the Exit...Stage Left release. 10 years later than the teaser bonus tracks I received on my 2012 release of 2112, but again, Rush's live sound was never better. It sounds like you have this, so enjoy!

P.S. - coincidentally enough Vguy and Ledded, I've also seen Michael Schenker - opening for Rush. "MSG"

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Mon, 10/03/2022 - 04:50

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Apologies for taking up your precious time but I thought I’d mention that #01765 has just been delivered here in North West England. No demand for any extra cash either which was nice. It is certainly physically larger than I expected but I’m sure it will fit somewhere. Now to find the time to actually listen to it.

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Submitted by Daysbetween on Mon, 10/03/2022 - 05:45

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Box number 04757 has arrived in Scotland. Escaped customs without fees so I guess they are short staffed. Well pleased with the box and delivery time and of course the tunes will be fantastic. Six shows to savour and I will limit them to one per day so that I can fully appreciate their uniqueness and beauty.

USPS delivered my Box yesterday.
3-9-81 sounds a lot better than the copy I had.
Looking forward to working my way through these shows. I think that 3-9-81 is the only show that I’ve previously listened to.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 10/03/2022 - 12:44

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....went and saw him at a small club called Vamp'd. Common knowledge that heavy metal was my first love. Dude put on a clinic! Impressive. 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 out of 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘!
Tix were thirty bucks. There's no brainers, then there's that.
A very petty lady with flowers in her hair offered to buy me a drink and asked what I was doing later.
"I'm flattered sweetie, but I'm married and I'm actually going to bed after."
She just smiled...."I don't care if you're married."
I do.
Good to know I still got it though lol!

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Submitted by That Mike on Mon, 10/03/2022 - 15:05

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Good on you, VGuy, good father, good hubby. Respect, seriously.
Your reward: I thought you’d like to know Billy Strings has a new album due mid-November, playing with his Dad, and strangely names the album “Me/And/Dad”.

I watched the first video he released for a song from the album called “Long Journey Home” - the fingers on he and his band members run those fretboards so quick on their instruments, it’s almost a blur. Bluegrass is sometimes just THE right sound.
I’ll be pre-ordering this one.

....but I will admit. The temptation was there for about 3 seconds. She was beautiful and smelled nice. I'm only human.
New Strings is always welcome to my ears. Bring it!!

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 07:54

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Hey Joey, Looks like Dead-dot-net is redoing the Store. So far, each product page has tabs to "Product Details"; "Listening Parties & Seaside Chats"; and "Track Listing", but no tab to "Comments". Hopefully they'll get this straightened out. In the meantime, if you haven't previously bookmarked the "Comments" pages, I don't see how you can get to them from the Store like we were used to.

Tracking seems to be working! and it looks like maybe the dubiously named UPS/USPS "SurePost" just might be planning to deliver my MSG box today! I think it's very cool that some folks overseas have been among the first to get theirs for a change. Onward.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 10:33

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That's awesome.. you got yours before I got mine. Certainly lessens the home court guilt of yesteryear. It sometimes took an extra month, maybe more.

Now if they could just find a way to bring down shipping costs in line so us mere mortals wouldn't have to sell blood to afford the next box set....

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 11:11

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....looks like dead.net/rhino finally got the shipping right on this release.

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Submitted by nitecat on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 12:03

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I had a grate weekend. Took a train Friday from Lake Tahoe to Berkeley where my friend Larry met me and took me to Frost Amphitheater to see Billy Springs for the first time. Very interesting show with some jammy stuff that got kinda hypnotic/psychedelic. Saturday and Sunday we attended the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass Festival in Golden Gate Park. This was like the 20th festival, I've been to every one since I used to live 5 minutes from the park. Highlights were Elvis Costello on the Tower of Gold stage, performing six Hunter Garcia songs and on the Swan Stage, Adrian Belew and Jerry Harrison with a twelve person band playing all of "Remain in LIght" - amazing show which is on tour I highly recommend checking it out. Emmy Lou Harris closed out the festival, as she has every year since the beginning, on the Banjo Stage. She had a hot band, and it was a sweet end for the fest. Emmy talked to the audience about how "Music soothes the soul". How true. Back in Tahoe for one more week.

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Submitted by nitecat on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 14:15

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So my box arrived, but I'm out of town, so I will have to wait until I return to savor the sweet sounds.

My copy of the box is due tomorrow. Unlike some others here, I had to stump up £44.51 (not sure, around $40) for customs to UPS.
Someone mentioned Creedence Clearwater Revival at the Royal Albert Hall in 1970. This was one of the first concerts I went to. A slightly older friend from school took me on the back of his scooter to see it. I enjoyed it a lot at the time as it was all so new to me.

Yes, the Comments button is missing from the MSG Box page.
The September Bulletin said ‘pardon out dust’ at the bottom, store front ‘shopping experience upgrade’.
I bookmark the active pages, but they are also accessible when logged in under ‘recent posts’.

I made it through 3-9-81 and it sounded a lot better than the copy I had. Glad that Plangent works on cassettes too.
Going for an 82 show tonight.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 15:44

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Did she sing to you “If you be my Dixie Chicken, I’ll be your TN lamb”?

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Submitted by frunobulax on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 16:51

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I'm glad our overseas friends are getting their box sets, but now people who ordered only last week are already receiving theirs? I ordered within an hour of the announcement in July, and still no shipping notice for me. The only thing you can count on with dead.net is that every order will be a crapshoot.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 17:56

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Hey thanks brother! I had a feeling I did right on my choices. Once I started to poke around, I discovered all of those 40th anniversary reissues. As soon as I saw that each of those was paired with a live show/tracks, it was an easy decision. Unfortunately, I haven't had time to listen to them because my job has been killing me. On a side note, I owe it to Jerry as to why I was able to finally "listen" to Rush. it is good story and I will share with everyone one day.

Great stuff all around but I think it is now time to get back to the task at hand - reviews of the current GD box set. I need to make decision on my purchase, and I am feeling about 90% sure it will be the CDs over the download.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 01:34

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I wonder if, because of extra charges, you can get your money back from deadnet if you don't pick up a set and let it get returned to them? I wouldn't want to pay £44.00 for this set, let alone pay that as extra on top of the actual cost of the thing.
I also wonder why it's so random - why some people get charged extra and some don't? It detracts from the objet d'art itself.

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Submitted by JJ Fehmarn on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 06:35

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Got my copy today, surprised of the low number.
Had to pay additional EUR 49,40 for taxes and service fees.
CDs looks fine except discs 14 which has some scratches.
But the disc runs fine, the sound is only a bit thumb.
I'm not a big fan of 82-85 and if I remember well the sound
wasn't just perfect during this period.
Still listening to Mule's Europe Tour this summer so it will
take some days before starting the MSG Box.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 06:43

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Vguy, aren't you glad that the little head's voice isn't as loud as it was when you were younger? I had the same type of thing happen to me at a Mickey Hart Band show about 10 years ago or so. A beautiful lady approached me and asked me if I wanted a drink and to hang out. The flood of thoughts, what if, when, why would I do it, she is beautiful though and little head started to try and convince me that it was ok. I had just had a picture taken of my lovely wife and I at the bar and I immediately retreated back to her loving arms. That was touch and go for a nano second, then I went back home.
Just last year I was approached by a co worker who wanted to smoke some pot and hang out too, she was a golden haired beauty who tried to hide her loveliness but to no avail, she was always getting hit on and hated it, but she asked me. What a boost of my ego but again, the little head was ready but cooler emotions prevailed and back home I went.
When I was of dating age, where were all those Tennessee Lambs then? I always loved it when the lady instigated the actions, so nice.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 12:47

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Got the box this morning. First impressions: it's $%^^#@ HUGE!!! As in ridiculously big for only 6 shows. You will need to sit at a table to read the book; yet, I would still rather have the box than the digital downloads.
The sleeves are definitely sturdier than the Europe 72 and TTATS boxes, I managed to extract(carefully) all the discs without any damage to the sleeves. All discs look perfect, no scratches, glue or blemishes. Nice.
Did a spot check of the sound; it is stellar on the 81 and 83 shows, and slightly less stellar on the 82 shows, with a little less separation.
Now this is hardly a gripe, but they did screw up(like every other release), as far as correctly separating Help on the Way and Slipknot: the Slipknot lick was never part of Help on the Way, check out Blues for Allah LP for the correct transition.
What else...oh yeah 3-9-81 is hot, I listened through China/Rider, Jerry's on fire throughout and his voice still sounds good.
Overall impression so far, to quote Gene Vincent: Git it!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 13:05

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The artwork is so trippy, I'm having trouble locating the number... any help?

Diving in now. Think I'll go backwards, as that's how I'm feeling.

Peace

Edit: Stickers!!!

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Submitted by snafu on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 16:41

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I agree with Cousins a nice package but a bit big for only six shows. So the obvious answer is to recall all of them and double the number of shows lol. Right on about the quality also. ‘82 a smidgeon less but still very enjoyable. Thanks Dave for putting out 4 more shows I’ve been to. The really cool thing about 80’s shows is that is when I peaked ( 81-89 250 shows) and I got to know some top tapers. This way I get to contrast various taping techniques. Eg Dick’s 10-14-83 show while I’m glad they did it, it’s a bit flat. My friend used a d5 ( am I remembering that correctly) and liked to saturate. The results are as you imagine quite different. I would be hard pressed to say one is better I just like haveing both. I now have that option with ‘82 & ‘83. Keep them coming Dave✌️👍

That was the idea when I moved to the Bay Area in ‘78. Music music and more music and it hasn’t let me down so far. Although nowadays I rely on kind people such as the youngster who came up to me and said I have a ticket and I’m driving no excuses Deadco Shoreline tonight. Thank you very much

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