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  • #6671
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    Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
    I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

    Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
    Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

    Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?

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    6.28.85 Hershey Park....

    ....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
    Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.

  • #6673
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6675
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6679
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6680
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    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 10/04/2022 - 22:02

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Disc 3 with an extra splash of awesome sauce. great comes a time.

and almost forgot - hot 1/2 step > Dancing set I closer! nice combo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 11:40

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The Crazy Fingers>PITB>Terrapin>D>S>Standing on the Moon was nice. Holy cow what a great SOTM. I have seen to many Throwing Stones>NFA:USBootz to get too excited anymore.

Nice start to 1989.

I'm halfway through 5/12/77 too. Weird vocals on the Bertha opener. Sometimes I like the reverb on the vocals of '77, sometimes I'm just not in the mood. Great recording and hot show though, once they get warmed up it bakes into the performance nicely.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 10/05/2022 - 13:02

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Afternoon, rockers!!!

Picks Of The Day: Frost Amphitheater, April 27 and 28, 1985

This is for Wilfred T Jones, who challenged me to step outside my comfort zone. I accept the challenge!!!

I always though that the Dead went through a "mini-renaissance" from late 1983 through 1985. There are actually many fine, very enjoyable shows from that era. Back in the day, these were "new and contemporaneous" for us. We got the Frost boards pretty early on and really enjoyed them.

Both are strong shows, I prefer the first night a little more but you decide, execllent soundboards are commonly circulated and worth tracking down..............

We dance round in a ring and suppose, but the secret sits in the middle and knows..........

Rock on,

Doc
Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow........

Hey Jim, I agree this is a good show. I saw a few shows in April 89, and I think they were getting the ball rolling. Anyone out there go to any of the Rosemont shows? This Shakedown is really good and the recording is great. Nice Friend of the Devil. They are just getting some of the Built to Last songs going. Second set is good, love the Terrapin and a solid US Blues encore. I think they really started getting hot in July, I mean holy crap July 89 to quote Dave L, upper echelon stuff. And they keep getting even better in the fall Jim as you said.

Okay so Doc gives us two 85 shows. WTJ, we look forward to your reviews.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Thu, 10/06/2022 - 00:38

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I was at these 2 shows ; I had a blast. Along with 10/9 & 10/82, these 4 shows were the best shows I saw at the Frost and would make a great release . My brother met and had a great time hanging out with Bobby Peterson on 4/28/85.

A twofer at the Frost. Both new shows for me, so a bonus.

I agree with Doc on the new energy and burst going into their 20th anniversary. They brought in a bunch of new songs and recycled a few they hadn't played in years too.

A weekend at the Frost, what's not to love about that.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 03:25

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For the curated 80's pick. I am more familiar with 4-27, but these 2 will be on my to do list for when I can listen closely. Stay grateful all... :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/07/2022 - 09:28

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Step outside to sneak in a little Smokey smoke break, and next thing ya know I’m a half dozen behind!
Been trying to sneak in the new box but only half way through and not the full immersion I usually go for with virginal listens, and no work tunes, so I guess I wanted/needed a burnout break so by God I got one lol.
So hope to get the rest in properly this WE!
THEN, I’ll try to play ketchup…
Might get 10/2/72 in today at work, haven’t spent much time with those 77s so will try next week, and he’ll yeah, Doc approved 85 will definitely get some love! I know I have a tape of one of those but not sure I’ve heard the other so looking forward, never straight, to go there. Oh, definitely need to check out 4/11/89, the 6th I’ve heard/have. Can’t believe I didn’t finagle a way to make it to those Michigan shows. Ole BOO469 went so I had a ride, must of been the new job, Dooaahh.
Carry on mates, now, I gotta git down, to the miiiiiiinnnee!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 08:02

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I hope you all have the new box. I have the 82 shows up next. The 81 shows are fantastic, really impressed.

Should have the Dave's Picks #44 announcement next week.

Good stuff OB, enjoy it.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 10/08/2022 - 08:56

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Yep DV, trying to make my way through the box. I usually like to do one show a day, in order, first thing when I’m fresh, the coffees kicking in and the weed hasn’t taken over the conversation yet.
But the situation has not allowed that and figured either had to go gorilla style or wait until? Not sure when I’d get the right time, so been trying to sneak em in. Good session with 9/21/82 last night, going for 83 twofer today.
Hoping I can sneak some PTO in the next couple weeks at which time I will follow proper protocol.
But hey, a little bit o something is better than all of nothing. And, hey, Go VIKS!
Maybe mañana do the 85 duo.

I did squeeze in a good listen of the first Frost show. Classic '85. Unique setlist, a good Jerry show. Hot first set with a non-disco Danicing in the Streets into a high energy Bertha. An Appalachian favorite, Brown Eyed Women sets the pace for a strong first set. "We Want Phil" (Garcia I think replies, we all want Phil. We're hanging onto him for a while, he's ours) gives us mellow third of 58 times played Tom Thumb Blues.

Great three Jerry songs in row opens the second set with a Scarlet > Eyes > GDTRFB. A nice little show, an oddity perhaps.

Just got the box so I'll likely blend the 28th with some early 80's MSG shows.

Beautiful fall foiliage this year. It's starting out quite spectacular.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 10/09/2022 - 01:37

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Good day, rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Winterland October 9 1972

To be happy at home is the ultimate result of all ambition, the end to which every enterprise and labor tends, and of which every desire prompts the prosecution……

Back on their home court, the Dead in fine form! They sound comfortable and happy…….

Nothing stupendous stands out here, but sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. The usual suspects, new and old, rock and roll, good old Grateful Dead. Plus about three minutes of good friend Gracie getting down and weird…………..

Good copies circulate, perhaps like Springfield a candidate for official release some day? Until then, enjoy!

Home is the place we love best and grumble the most……

Rock on,

Doc
One never reaches home, but wherever friendly paths intersect the whole world looks like home for a time…….

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 10/10/2022 - 04:51

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I wanted to give these shows a closer headphone listen especially considering Doc’s rare 80’s (90’s next?) recommendation. It’s going to be mixed around a little bit (like me), but here’s my review for DeadVikes. The new clugston/miller transfers/uploads don't disappoint. Especially in the drumz segments, but also in random spots of songs like Throwing Stones. Once it’s dialed in the main sources are clear and satisfying throughout.

Be prepared Jerry's voice is fried in places on both nights, think 4-7-85 type fried (but not quite). 1/2 step and high notes in China Doll on 4-28 are especially ragged. His voice seems to benefit from the rest during the Set II drums break 4-28 though, he sings sweetly Wharf Rat. Set I from 4-27 is a definite keeper with Tom Thumb's standing out particularly (first one?). The grate trio of Tom Thumb>CR&S>Music Never Stopped is tight. Other standouts from a good set I are the high energy fun Dancin' opener, and the BE Women which Jerry sings with welcome gusto. The Audience is a factor both nights.

The second set from 4-28 is definitely more my style with Playing in the Band woven through the proceedings. They give something interesting a try the night before by trying something novel out of Scarlet, but the transition to eyes is too abrupt. Jerry could have led a slower tempo, but unfortunately chooses not to. I like Scarlet, Eyes and GDTRFB, but this night none rise above pedestrian level. Not much stands out from the rest of set II on 4-27, but I liked the wheel out of space and the Truckin’>Other One combo was good choice. I’m surprised the lyrics maybe completely correct on Day Job of all songs.

So in the end, definitely an enjoyable listen and one of those 2 show runs where I like the 1st set from one night and 2nd from the other. 4-28 E2: She Belongs to Me
Stay Grateful All! :-)

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/10/2022 - 07:52

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Nice work WTJ. Yes, Jerry was on and off during this period. You know the story.

or Marsha, Marsha, Marsha…
I didn’t think they were that bad?
But, unless he’s got a cold and is having troubles the whole show, it doesn’t really bother me, in fact, often he try’s to make up for it by singing his heart out. Ragged but right!
And yaasssss, the playing is ripping and the energy is almost too high!
If you didn’t know better you might think it a east coast show.
I had never heard the 27, the 28th I’ve had for years.

The 27th does have a fine first set with fun set lists, Agree WTJ the transition from Scarlet to Eyes looks better on paper than in person, but after some many decades I like unusual set lists.
Perhaps not the best of 85, but a fine WE non the less!
Nice to see Doc venture out of his niche, hope he does it some more!

4/11/89: the Shakedown plods a little at first but picks up nicely. Nice little BTL mini set in there.
Overall status quo spring 89, good, but not…quite…there…yet?
I snuck in the first set of 4/9 which I still can’t believe I didn’t go to. So I don’t think I’ve eve4 heard it?

Ok off to the mine, probably will try to finish 10/2/72 that I started last week…

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 01:27

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Hey rockers!!

Pick Of The Day: Augusta, Maine October 12 1984

This is for Wilfred T Jones. And everybody else, especially those of us who were there……

This was our best, favorite, most fun show of the 80s. Dead center, about 30 feet back, didn’t get crushed, excellent 25, a night to remember!! We had seen some good shows in the Spring 83-Summer 84 period, but frankly, this concert restored our faith in Good Old Grateful Dead.

I’ve said it before, and will say it again, for the rest of our touring careers, after this show we were chasing Augusta. We never got back to that space in time, but it wasn’t for lack of trying………..

Give it a listen, there’s a reason it was on 30 Trips………….

Rock on!

Doc
But the soul of Maine is more apparent in the winter…………….

Greetings Doc! Much enjoying your 80s suggestions after your deep and comprehensive 1971. Left Maine in 1980 after living there for ten years, moved to Vermont to an area you know from living here as well. That made the 1980 Lewiston show my last direct encounter with our band. Promise the soul is there year round. Have explored and hiked much of it, would suggest that those interested in the soul of Maine read Henry David Thoreau's book Ktaadn. Thoreau found his trancendental approach challenged by the formidable hike he took there in 1846 and the hike has not changed, very rugged and totally amazing to cross the peaks on the Knife Edge trail a few feet wide with a thousand foot drop to either side. The northern terminus of the Appalachian Trail, it's not the Rockies, but about as good as mountains get on the east coast. Or go out to one of the more remote islands, like Monhegan a little off season.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 06:21

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Shoot my vertigo was just triggered. 10-12-84 anniversary listen? Sure, I'll tune in... :-) :-) :-)

and the Coffee is not strong enough.. I reach for Augusta. Great workout music, great on the river.. high energy GD. Yes, it's mid 80's, ragged at times, the recording, although decent for the era, is inconsistent, I think there's a few well-made audience patches throughout.

It's rough around the edges, but listen to Jerry's work throughout the PITB tease, UJB>...>PITB>UJB>Morning Dew.
He's a man on a mission. The effort more than makes up for the shaggy presentation.

I'm in.

DMCVT, your neck of the woods is on my short list.. maybe next year.

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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 15:32

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Is it me, my browser, or the dead.net. Just all discussions get wiped out every few months, and I have to poke around to find the fine people of this board...

OB - still owe a response from last month on stereo, I haven't forgotten...I'll get to it, hopefully in next day or two.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 15:49

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You need to bookmark the sites to easily return to them.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 15:53

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Started it in the car this morning, but since my drive is about 25 min each way, I’ll probably finish set 2 Friday evening which will be just exactly perfect.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 10/12/2022 - 16:52

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Gary, when I go to this site's opening page, I scroll down to the bottom and there you will find the four most recent posts from all threads.

If that doesn't work for you, click on the three lines on the top right on the site, click community, click Dead Heads for this thread or product for the latest Dave's Picks or Box set release.

Speaking of latest Dave's Picks, we should be getting that 91 announcement tomorrow.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/13/2022 - 14:27

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So, I didn't see that coming, closing out another year with a 1990 pick, but I like it. 6/23/90.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/13/2022 - 14:35

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I think it's an ultra matrix. We will see what it sounds like.

Been busy with the Box and Augusta, but I truckin' along. If I poke my head outside, I can see the weekend coming...

Beautiful colors this year in the mid-Atlantic mountains. Super pretty.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 07:00

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Enjoy those colors out there Jim. I am sure it is beautiful. I woke up to snow here in MN,👎. Way too early for that here.

I have been digging the box as well Jim. My only complaint, they didn't include the 79 shows. I mean, interesting choice don't you think. I think the sound quality is really good and better than some of the two track boxes of the past. There are a few short patches but nothing significant. There are definitely no four to five song stretches of no vocals etc. I compared the sound quality to a couple of the 30 Trips shows from the same era and the MSG shows sound better, the sound is fuller. Of course just my opinion.

Will I listen again, absolutely!
You need to be in the mood for the 82-83 shows of course.

Might have to come back with a pick.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Fri, 10/14/2022 - 19:09

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Deadvikes, you asked how much the ticket prices were to the 1980 Warfield shows, $12.50 for floor seats , $10.50 for balcony seats. The Warfield only holds 2,300 people, it has a great upstairs bar, and there is not a bad seat in the house. What a bargain 3 sets of music from the Grateful Dead for $12.50 in a tiny theatre. I actually posted this information 2 days ago on the #43 site, you probably didn't see it . Bob Weir is playing the Warfield the next 3 nights, some of the tickets are up at $400.00 a pop, maybe it's for a benefit, I dont know .

Wow, what a bargain hey Billy. Three sets, a small theater and a good bar, what else could you ask for. Thanks for sharing.
Would be fun to have some of those out.

Not sure why the tickets prices are so high now, definitely not what the Dead were about back in the day. I think the most I ever paid was $20 and we had second row seats in April 89 at the old Met.

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 08:10

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According to the US Inflation Calculator $12.50 in 1980 translates to $45.03 today. Still, not bad, but that was before Ticketfuckers and all the rest got fully entrenched. I remember driving to Little Rock to see all the heavy bands in the late 60s-early 70s, and never paying over five bucks for a ticket – a little less than the going rate for a lid of pot ($5 in 1968 equals $42.64 in 2022). All the great bands of the day that is except for the Grateful Dead, who never came to Arkansas. (Can't imagine why, and, No, my grandfather wan't named Snuffy.)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 10/15/2022 - 16:39

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They used to tour to promote an album, now they make an album to get people to come see them in concert.

...and then albums quit selling.

Got to give the GD credit for figuring out live music was where the action is.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 04:21

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Rise and shine, rockers!!

Pick Of The Day: Milk Weg, Amsterdam October 16, 1981

This is for Wilfred T Jones. And for all those who like to indulge in hash that perspires……

Don’t know how highly you rate weirdness value, but this rates as about an 11 on my 1-10 weirdness scale. The second of two Oops concerts at this small club. Borrowed instruments. Bob Weir’s birthday. A pretty nice acoustic set. Electric set that goes straight into deep weirdness, with Hully Gully, Gloria, a resurrected Lovelight. Weird with a capital W………….

Was this this last truly spontaneous thing the Dead did? Not sure about that, but if TPTB have a sense of cosmic adventure and fun, maybe it’ll officially see the light of day at some future date…….

We talk about quantum weirdness and things being in two places at once, but it all involves atoms and molecules, stuff we don't normally interact with……

Rock on!!!

Doc
I think 'weird' is an interesting way to say 'unique.' It has a strange connotation, but weird is good. If you embrace your weirdness, you'll be on the way to becoming who you are…..

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Sun, 10/16/2022 - 06:43

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my coda then and now. Thanks Doc, love those 81 European shows, especially Barcelona.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 07:33

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anybody looking for a POTD maybe try 12/16/78 Nashville (don't think we've done this) - no SBD but a really clean and sweet sounding Joani Walker/Paul Scotton audience/Charlie Miller transfer. Jerry is really on it, and interestingly he is playing a Travis Bean 1000 rather than Wolf. This is one of series of 4(?) shows in 12/78 where that was case. Sort of a melding of 2 eras, in terms of sound and playing. Great Jerry songs throughout, wowza opening Sugaree, awesome Tennessee Jed, a jammed out Scarlet>Fire, and the outro chorus on He's Gone is one of "those" wild ones. Would love for a SBD to surface for release. Someone pinged this show and source over on Steve Hoffman site.

That second night at the Melkweg is indeed something else. Everyone (except maybe Phil) with borrowed instruments. I mean, an acoustic set, Playing>Hully Gully??!!>Wheel>Samson>Gloria>Lovelight - good golly. A show that truly has that it'sapartybirthdayvibe to it.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 11:36

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Interesting show. I have never heard this one. Love the acoustic set. Really good Birdsong, Cassidy, Oh Babe it ain't no Lie, Ripple. Sound quality on the acoustic set seemed a little better than the electric set. Fun show and worth a listen. Thanks Doc and another shout out to WTJ.

12/16/78, okay Bluecrow, I will check it out, thanks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 10/17/2022 - 20:10

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I couldn't do 10/16 (or 12/16 for that matter today), but man is that is a one-off, special show. I wouldn't say great or next for release, the recording has a few issues, many of the songs they played were not polished and rehearsed. Which makes it classic Grateful Dead.

I will make it a point to to chatch both shows in the next week or so. We do what can when we can.. right?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 10/19/2022 - 01:28

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Hey rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Northrop Auditorium, Minneapolis October 19 1971

I’ve been trying to stay away from 1971s, but maybe this is worthy? Historic, with a capital H……..

First live show with Keith Godchaux. Love him or hate him, this was the first……….

Debut of six new songs---Tennessee Jed, Jack Straw, Mexicali Blues, Comes A Time, One More Saturday Night, Ramble On Rose.

The first of the 1971 Fall/Winter FM broadcasts.

Is it smooth as silk? No, as you might expect. Is it just exactly perfect? Well, no, but it’ll do quite nicely. Especially the scorcher of a second set.

Official release material? Maybe. Especially as part of the upcoming 1971 Fall/Winter box set, due for release in 2026, which will finally replace the bogus bootleg box sets that have been around for years……….

I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes….

Rock on!

Doc
Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate…...

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 10/20/2022 - 01:12

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Hey hey hey rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Carrier Dome, Syracuse October 20, 1984

This is for Wilfred T Jones. And Angry Jack Straw. Because, well, Jack Straw…………

We saw seven shows on the Fall 1984 East coast tour, including this one, and had a blast. Deadhead Fred supplied the liquid 25, Syracuse supplied the cavernous Carrier Dome, Good Old Grateful Dead capped off our Fall festivities with some great music!

We were all the way back on the floor. We avoided the crush down front, but the music crushed us back there. Maybe it was the ‘cid, maybe it was the dome, but on this night we didn’t perceive any Dead weaknesses and just had a trippin’ grand time!! Especially Bird Song, the angry Jack Straw, Shakedown, Wheel, Other One, and Lovelight. Take a step back, indeed……….

The talented Mr Miller did a real nice remaster, check it out. Worthy of release one of these decades. That is, when they do the 1984 box set……………

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move…………..

Rock on!!

Doc
Be not angry that you cannot make others as you wish them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be…..

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 10/20/2022 - 03:25

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I am connected to this show through mind expansion also, albeit more recent. 5-19-74 is connected to the same batch and a similar experience for me. Good trips.

Stay Grateful All and Have a Grateful Day :-')

The Northrup Auditorium at the University of Minnesota. I have seen a couple of non dead shows (last one was Steely Dan) here. A nice smaller venue. This show broadcast on our still active 92 KORS. Fun show. Good recording and great fall 71 performance.

So far behind now and another anniversary selection from 84. I will have to put it on the list.

Are you taking some time off OB?

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 10/21/2022 - 01:47

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Mornin’, rockers!!!

Pick Of The Day: Worcester Centrum, October 21 1983

This is for Wilfred T Jones. And for Ken Kirk and Joe Lydon, my two best touring buddies. Gentlemen, I salute you!!!

We saw every Dead Centrum show and always had fun. Although it wasn’t the Music Hall, it wasn’t such a bad place. The 84 shows may have been the best, but 83 was also very good. The October 21st show was officially released as part of 30 Trips back in October 2015 and is worth a listen. It’s not exactly perfect, but it was exactly what we needed at the time……

I believe things cannot make themselves impossible……

Rock on!!!

Doc
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else……..
P.S. See you on Halloween!

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 10/21/2022 - 04:35

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WTJ,

Your 90s shows are in the 90s. My time machine is in the shop for a tune up, so it's much harder for me to revisit the past.

I suppose I'll hafta get to that decade eventually. Every time I do, I break out in a rash. Damn, you're so cruel.................

The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion........

Rock on!!

Doc
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.......
P.S. LOL I don't do Brent tributes.........

70's are ok picks too for the late era impaired. I sincerely appreciate the riff though and the poignant pics. Most enjoyable, even though they might be a bit out of your (the) wheel box, quite good selections actually.

As you were folks, just be yourselves.

4/2/73 anyone? In a distant fog, I recall this one having great sound and some high marks. '73 was a mini creative high point for Jerry. From the GD and the new material from Wake to Old and In the Way, to what he was doing with Saunders and the early solo stuff, he was still playing Pedal Steel. He was unstoppable, practically every night and by my guess sleeping very little. 73 was the perfect prelude to 74 and a great leap into the unknown from a great 1972.

Suggesting selfishly because it's been so long since I listened to this that it's slipping from memory. Just don't expect me to suddenly like Wave That Flag.

Edit: I'm sorry for picking a released show
Edit2, in my best Pee Wee Herman "III'mmm Nnnot Sorrrrry"

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 10/23/2022 - 05:30

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Nice Pick, Jim. HS Sunshine and Jam seem to be my initial recollections. We'll see what another relisten jogs in my memory. I have a good morning to get that in and potentially some other music, too. We'll see what the day brings. I know I will be in the water. Eau Claire river to be exact. It's shallow and sandy where I'll be dipping my toe in. Stay grateful all. :-')

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/23/2022 - 07:42

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Great idea Jim. Probably the most played Dave's in my house and I haven't listened to this one in a while, so it is due for another. Thanks.

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Submitted by PT Barnum on Mon, 10/24/2022 - 08:16

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hey now, how about this one, seems the first set has been found with a good Bird Song etc... I've heard the second set and who doesn't love a 72 He's Gone?