WHAT'S INSIDE:
Madison Square Garden 3/9/81
Madison Square Garden 3/10/81
Madison Square Garden 9/20/82
Madison Square Garden 9/21/82
Madison Square Garden 10/11/83
Madison Square Garden 10/12/83
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners by award-winning music journalist David Fricke
Artwork by Dave Van Patten
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition Of 12,500
“Welcome to the unique, enduring phenomenon of the Grateful Dead in New York City, a mutual devotion, forged in concert, that ran for nearly as long as the band itself—from June 1, 1967, a free show in Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East Side (ahead of the band’s official, local bow at the Cafe Au Go Go), to the Dead’s last Garden run, six nights in October 1994…the Dead’s affinity for New York City…was instant and arguably their most profound with any city aside from San Francisco.” - David Fricke
They got on the bus to the Port Authority, rode in on the Long Island Railroad and the New Jersey Transit line. They traveled North, South, and West on the 1, 2, and 3 subway lines, their numbers growing as they descended upon Penn Station. Some rolled up in those iconic New York yellows. Some walked excitedly through the bright lights of Broadway and Times Square, meeting up with old friends on the way and picking up a few new ones too as they ascended The Garden's stairs. Maybe you were among them - lightly buzzed on the way in, fully aglow on the way home. New York City was in its prime and damn if the Grateful Dead wasn't going to rise up to meet it! If you were there, we call on you to join us as we recapture that MSG magic and if you weren't, we invite you along on the epic journey that is IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN: MADISON SQUARE GARDEN '81 '82 '83.
Numbered and limited-edition to 12,500, this 17CD set celebrates the band’s rich history at “the world’s most famous arena,” introducing six previously unreleased shows recorded at MSG between 1981 and 1983. It offers a front-row seat to the Dead in the early 1980s, an overlooked and underestimated era of rebirth for the band. At the time of the recordings, the group featured Brent Mydland. Mydland’s vocal power and colorful keyboard palette energized the band, invigorating older material like “The Wheel,” “Truckin’” and “Eyes of The World.” He also gave the band more musical flexibility, which encouraged them to dust off rarely aired treasures like “Dupree’s Diamond Blues” and “Crazy Fingers.”
IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN touches on the three-year period after 1980’s GO TO HEAVEN was released, a time when the Dead were constantly on the road, playing more than 200 dates. While they were in no rush to return to the studio during this time, they continued to write new music. In 1982 and ’83, the band performed most of the songs that would appear on 1987’s IN THE DARK. The new collection includes performances of four songs from that album – “Touch Of Grey,” “Hell In A Bucket,” “Throwing Stones,” and “West L.A. Fadeaway” – plus the B-side, “My Brother Esau.”
Due September 23rd, IN AND OUT OF THE GARDEN comes in a custom box featuring new artwork by Dave Van Patten celebrating the band’s eclectic fanbase, with a cavalcade of illustrated Dead Heads. The collection also includes detailed liner notes by award-winning music journalist David Fricke, who explores the band’s connection to the Big Apple. It features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
MSG Cover Art
Finally caught up with my MSG box and had a chance to scan and work on Dave Van Patten’s cover art. It’s definitely a trip. Way more out there than the first image we kept seeing on the website showing a hand reaching down for shrooms. . . First, I combined the art from all four sides of the box (front, back, flap & spine) into a long horizontal panorama. Be careful – it’s a face-melter. It’s also a big file, so there’s a HI-res and MED-res version.
The official artwork for the six individual shows was derived from the box’s cover, but they simplified it. The full-tilt art on the box is so insane, I couldn’t resist making alternate covers for each show that include more of the crazy, complex context that was edited out (they’re listed in Dropbox as “BOX Art”). For any purists who may prefer the simpler, but official artwork that’s actually on the CD’s, they’re included too (“CD Art”). Check ‘em out and share ‘em around while listening to some well-recorded and potent Dead from the early 80s!
Try this: dropbox dot com/scl/fo/dxzr09qeqy5er7xlnoq64/h?dl=0&rlkey=5uz42d6yp5i7eby44rcg0ln9u
or PM me with an email address and I'll send you the linque.
AND glad to hear many of you are patiently facing down serious health issues with a healthy dose of humor. An inspiration to us all. Onward!
@JEFFSMITH
GRATE job on the box art scans! Twill be fun for staring at :-) Jeff
Thanks Jeff
That artwork is screaming to be made into a black light poster.
Rhino store 2022 stocking stuffer, 6-foot wide black light poster.
3-foot version also available.
Hi Res covers
Can someone please help me on how to access these covers?
Rock on
High Res, etc.
Thanks Jeff,
I was sort of meh on the cover art from what I initially saw in the early dead.net reveals. I didn't give it much thought.. but it did little for me.
When I opened it I immediately got it and I think it's great. The colors, context, the swirling carnival atmosphere.. add in a touch of benevolent weirdos and what have here is what it feels and looks like when you are walking through the crowd dosed out of your mind.
I immediately saw and liked it for what it is.
HBob, all I did was turn what Jeff wrote into a lin k (sorry, they won't even let you write that word here). Remove the spaces, etc. and paste it into your browswer. It worked for me..
Pano cover and Jeff
Thanks for that scan Jeff. I had a moment I thought about doing it,,,, but now it's done!!!
Need to get it printed in the full length.
Will work on that later.
Good morning all - Box Number?
Good morning all, I am trying to find the number of my box. I can't seem to find it anywhere. I searched the box many times. Can someone point me in the right place? Is it hidden? Thanks in advance.
3-10-81
On my second listen:
Really liked the Lazy Lightning, Fire (towards the end when Jerry is really going for it I wonder if his head was up, smile on his face, swaying a bit, or if his head is down and he’s in a trance), now he’s tearing it up at the end of Saint…..
Good stuff!
Source change in Franklin's?
I think you should have told us, Dave.
Loving this set
Love me some dirty 80s. Box is beautiful and I don't mind the size. Bummed to have a little damage on the box flap(rips) where the number is printed. Had to have been from shipping even though it was well packed. I'm sure the mail handlers down the line threw it around some. On the fourth show of the set, and so far no damage to the discs which is a sigh of relief.
Where's Weir?
Not much action on this string, considering its a new box.
I started with 3/10/81 because it had rave reviews, and almost finished with the second set. Loved the Miss 1/2step > Franklin's opener, LLR, and Saint of circumstance.
I can't hear Weir's guitar. I really like his distinctive guitar playing- adds a lot to the sound. For those of you who have made their way through all six shows, is this the case with all six?
Problems with the store login
Anyone else having trouble with the store?
I was going to look at my old orders but the login for the store now has to be an email address whereas my login wasn’t. Using my email address means that the password is wrong. I’ve tried to use the non-logged in route that needs order number, email and zipcode. Previously I’ve used my post code since we don’t use zip codes over here but at least one of these three items is said to be incorrect. I am still connected to deaddotnet as I can post this but I cannot check my previous orders. So much for an improved website experience. I have tried to reset my password but clicking the ‘forgotten password’ option does nothing. I don’t get an email to allow me to reset the password.
Nitecat
I listened to 9-21-82 last night and I could hear Weir on my stereo system, turned up sort of loud, but he was faint.
I’ve listened to the whole Box but can’t actually tell you how Weir sounds on each show.
I believe that you can attribute Weir being low in the mix to Healy.
The artwork on this is SO cool!
I just sat and gave a serious listen to Disc 2 while thoroughly enjoying the artwork in front of me. So far, so good, even if things almost derail here and there. Jerry tried all kinds of new and unique licks in the early 80s, to my ears, licks that he never played with again.
And yes, as mentioned, Healy and Bobby had some kind of tiff going on in the 80s, so Healy reportedly would drop Bobby's guitar levels to almost nothing on the board mixes. I'm assuming that Bobby could be heard in the P.A. in person?
Is anyone going to USE the postcards? I can imagine the joy in some friends' hearts if they received one, but the perfectionist in me is horrified to even consider punching those out of the book! :) I'm very tempted to color the "coloring book" page . . .
Store Log In
So I finally figured out that you have to make a new separate account for the store. That's what I did anyway, because my Dead.net info and email were not recognized.
find the box no
you can find the box no on the booklet paper as well
For An Enhanced Experience. . .
On another thread Ice Cream and DMCVT suggested trying UV on the MSG box: It does indeed go crazy(ier) under blacklight!
Happy Customer
This has exceeded my expectations. Sound wise, I was familiar with all but two of the shows and generally I would go for the audience or matrix recordings on account of the all too common imbalance between the vocal and the instrumentation in 80's recordings. But these cleaned up beautifully. The '82 shows could use a little more high end, but when summoned with some upward volume, the sound comes through warm and with surprisingly good stage separation.
For the playing, if 60's GD is considered Primal Dead, I would say this period is Raw Dead. And I mean that every way positive. Like when they first started, it's loose, kinetic, spontaneous and, most importantly, just dang fun. They regained the primitive immediacy that seemed to have gotten lost in the various changes and phases the band explored in the 70s.
And there's quite a bit in the playing that's an improvement on 70's GD-- vocals harmonize better, the rhythm is tighter and bouncier, Jerry's tone is scarier, his solos are back to being downright spasmodic at times, the sets have a more arcing continuity rather than a hodgepodge of disconnected moods and styles. But most importantly, if you remove the comparison, its another facet of the band that can be enjoyed when the mood strikes. 'American reggae' or something along those lines Bobby called it. All there in a syncopated rhythm smoothed into a singular groovy flow of sonic shapes and textures.
Last five:
-Julian Lage, View with a Room
-Nels Cline, Lovers
-Elvis Costello, King of America
-Hendrix, Valleys of Neptune
-Sonic Youth, Daydream Nation
Well said Fivebranch!
I’ve been struggling with words for this one.
EDIT: mostly I’ve just been burned out and too busy lol.
I’ve only very superficially made it through twice: generally I likey, yass there’s imperfections, yaasss Bobs low on the 81s, etc, yaddy, yaddy, yadda, but all things considered, there are those GD moments fleeting and other that always have, and always will, make the cost benefit ratio of proper GOGD a bargain in my existential book!
Oh, lol, I think (so far) I like the 83s best. That first set from the last night is ripping!
And it’s got a Cumberland 😀
I spoke too soon
When I mentioned the box being delivered (3rd October) I said that I had no extra demand for payment. Today I have received an invoice from UPS for £44.51. I wonder why they delivered it before getting the cash? Even more unusually, there appears to be no way to pay it on-line. I’ve dusted off my cheque book and written my first cheque in a couple of years. The music is worth it though.
If Healy really did that to BW's sound
then that earns Healy the title of "asshole"
There's some show I heard where Weir disses Healy from the stage
The drama behind the scenes in the GD must have been hair raising.
Cover art scans
Big thanks to Jeff Smith for those fantastic cover art scans. They are even better than looking at the box
I've been laid up with covid for the last month so have not had any interest in any serious listening to these 6 shows yet but that's about to change as I'm feeling up to the task starting today. I did have a very quick scan of some tracks to check the quality when it arrived, and it was an improvement on the files I had so I'm looking forward to the full immersion experience. I don't particularly like the size/shape of the box but do love the cover art so that's a big plus. However, it's always the music that matters and the box art might help the band get nominated in the Grammy's and keep the name out there.
Import charges
Colin, I got my letter yesterday also. I don't mind paying the fee but wish it was easier to do so - will trying phoning tomorrow as I don't even know where my chequebook is.
listened to some of the box
yesterday, 9-21 82, ok so far, liked the He's Gone, Jerry doing it just fine. 83 show, not so much. I'm on the fence on this box. Love the early 80's hope they pick better shows for the next early 80's box. Not a fan of the "venue" theme, but I never saw a show at MSG. I guess you had to be there? In the future, past, the drums/space segments get much better. Check out Infared Roses for top notch drums/space.
Silver Apples of The Moon
PT - the above title on Infrared Roses was from the 11/1/90 show at Wembley that I went to. It was mind blowing on the night - loud, quadraphonic sound. Maybe the highlight of the whole show.
11-1-90
wow, what a show to see Daverock. I mean come on, Playin>Dark Star>Drums>Silver Apples of the Moon>space>Dark Star Reprise>Playin Reprise>STOM tease into Wharf Rat>Throwing Stones>NFA. That would put anyone's Apples on the Moon. Wasn't this an added show? Suppose to be only the 30th>31st? Always wondered why they didn't release this one in the 30 trips box instead of the Paris show. They put a lot of other great shows in that box. That Standing on the Moon tease that morphs into Wharf Rat is quite unique and must have been a trip to hear live.
I like Drums/Space
It got longer and longer as the years went on.
I think 30-40 minutes by 94 and 95.
11/1/90
PT - yes, I believe you are right about this date being added on. As to the Standing tease being a trip - it was all a trip to me. I took some mushrooms before leaving the hotel, safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't come on until I had arrived at Wembley. Unfortunately, my tube station was closed for repairs, so I had to wander about looking for another one. And so it was....half way to Wembley, sitting on a very packed train, things began to get very strange indeed. The things you do for love. Nowadays we are invited to tell a guard if we see anything strange, or that doesn't look right while we are travelling on the train. I don't think that applies to trippers, though.
But all three nights were great, to me, in their different ways. Are they better than that Paris show in 30 Trips? They obviously mean more to me - but that Paris show is pretty good to, form what I can remember.
Good Listening
I’m enjoying my first forays into MSG. Several mentions of low Weir. And I wouldn’t have tuned into this so deeply if I hadn’t got a new DAC and nice headphones for the purpose of listening to the band members. If they were gonna dropWeir how about that crazy Stanley ‘72 on China intro. Too crazy. I still flinch. I pulled out DP 32 and the China there was low for intro. Somebody! educate me on listening to late Dead Weir. I have hung out in the early 70s and grabbed this box to learn more about Brent and just the over scene. Suggestions?
Do you ever just spread your…
Do you ever just spread your discs on the floor and rearrange? For me it was from all my DPs and most official vault releases and a bunch of Road Trips and DaPs. 75 now in chronological order. And 11 boxes all about. Where was the break out room for “yes honey I do need more Dead” ?
I’ll be dead first before they all get a listen.
But it is my balm.
I am loving this box.
I am loving this box. Was skeptical but home alone and listening over and over. One question. On the 3/10/81 disc 4 the Mississippi has a bad drop out in it. Does anyone else have this or is it a defect?
The Balm
You put the balm on?
Who told you to put the balm on?
I didn't tell you to put the balm on.
Why'd you put the balm on?
You haven't even been to see the doctor.
If you’re gonna put a balm on,
let a doctor put a balm on.
— Jackie Chiles, Seinfeld, Season 7: The Maestro; al la Sixtus
Sixtus
But hey that coffee was a little hot!
Now if only Kramer hadn’t got burnt by Calvin Kline on the Beach thing, he’d of still had plenty of money!
CC3659: if your referring to the loud crash near the beginning, that’s on the original tape, if it’s something else…?
Perhaps give us more intel, like time it happens?
The more I get to know
The better I like!
Taken all together it’s a bit of a mish mash, but individually, slowly, one at a time I’m becoming one with the force
MSG 9/20/82 disc 9
I'm really liking 9/20/82. I listened to Shakedown twice, and I love the humorous guitar sound for Dupree's ( since it is a funny song and Hunter said he wrote it while drunk). I need to check out the Scarlet Fire again, but what sticks with me is the third disc, number 9. The space>Spanish jam>Truckin>Other One>Stella Blue is awesome, I just finished my third listen to just that segment.
Jerry sounds so soulful in Stella. Hairs on the back of my neck soulful.
The crash in half step...
is some blown speakers. Very audible on audience cassette
They recover nicely
Good ol' Grateful Dead
The crash
I respectfully, but highly disagree.
Speakers don’t make any noise when they fry. Trust me, I know : (
They can start on fire though…
Sounds like a good zen joke: what is the sound of speakers frying….(silence) lol
I think it sounds like an old spring reverb pan got bummed hard or knocked over?
Love how they play through it. R&R 101: no matter what happens, just keep playing!
Great box, but is there a burn error on cd 15?
Anyone finding a problem with "Looks like Rain" on CD 15? I notice a nagging almost tape lag like sound that comes across like a skip with about 1:33 remaining in the song as Bobby sings. Loving the box, but this is gnawing at me. Got a replacement in the mail, same issue, same spot. Doesn't matter which of my cd players I load it into, same skip in same location each player. Stikes me as a batch run error. Or is the disc capturing an error from the master tape?
Alien Abduction?
Hey DS BGE: Nice catch. Yup, at about 7:02 on the 10/12/83 Looks Like Rain there's some weirdness. For about a second and a half it sounds like a failed attempt at an alien abduction (or maybe it didn't fail). Guess it's the flaw in the "leather" that confirms its authenticity.