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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

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    Bound to cover just a little more ground

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    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

  • proudfoot
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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

    except: DEAD.NET: I RRRRRRR
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    LLLLLYYYYY HATE reCAPTCHA. There IS time to hate on that phenomenon.

  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

  • Chuck
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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

  • daverock
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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

  • hendrixfreak
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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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....I changed it again because I just found this and I couldn't resist.

That’s definitely what I thought on 3-27-94 when they were opening for Rush.
I came for Rush, Primus needed to get off the stage.
Yes, they played Jerry Was A Race Car Driver.
I wasn’t impressed.

That was a nice hoodie Dave was wearing.

Hah, ET embryo in Eugene.
Not only just after the solstice, but Dave said that the show ended around 5 pm.

Rhino should release the Little Feat opening sets as a companion release.

Dave said a Box next year and a studio album anniversary release. I didn’t hear him say that the Box would not be a 1973 anniversary as was stated in a previous post (don’t remember by who).

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Who ever wrote the description for DP 44? It’s obvious who ever did is a fool when they wrote that 6/23/90 was one of their longest performances. Such complete utter misinformed information. The second set is around 90 minutes. Whatever. Attending these 2 shows was well worth the drive.

....I think they meant for 1990. But that has to be by maybe a couple of minutes. And no. I'm not gonna research it.
Aaaand, conekid is an official fan club card carrier lol.
This day in Dead lore, Keith played his first show with the band. 51 years ago.
Digging out my Dave's 3. Disc 3 has a Dark Star 🌟
"Thank you sports fans!" What happened that day in sports history? 10.21.71.
I see the Pirates won the WS, but that was on the 17th. Must be a Chicago thing.
Liner notes by Blair Jackson doesn't mention it. Some help here....

Snafu - I'm not sure wearing a tee shirt with teddy bears on would have gone down too well back then, either. Not that there is anything wrong with wearing such a shirt, of course. Maybe not for every occasion.

I think I'm glad I've never heard of Primus.

I have created a new account on the store so that I should be able to make future orders. However, I can no longer look at my previous order history. I have tried the ‘Check without being registered’ but that requires order number, email and zip code. I enter these, using my post code since we don’t have a zip code, and an error message appears telling me that the combination of the three items isn’t recognised. Once again, for the third time, my order history has become inaccessible. Let’s hope the ordering process has been improved at least.

I have heard of Primus but have never heard anything by them so I’ll refrain from commenting on them.

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Colin-go on...put the boot in. It's a bit of a poor do if we can't be unreasonable at this stage of the game !

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I thought It said somewhere that you can't see your older order history, after the update.
Since creating a new store account, I ordered a sweatshirt 2 weeks ago, and nothing, no shipping notice, nothing in two weeks. I can not overstate how much i dislike this store.

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are subtle. He's smart enough not to give it away too early.
What I heard was what I wanted to hear, and am hoping for.
That there MAY be a box for both an anniversary and another.
More boxes please and maybe some I can afford like a mini.
Cheers

Edit: I'm trippin' again. To my ear 3-9-81 sounds a tiny bit fast. Played it on two different CD players. Is it possible Plangent didn't fix all of the speed issues associated with cassette decks? A great show nonetheless. That deep drum on the Drums is shaking my floor! Love it.

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Bobby's "Ace" just got the 50th Anniversary Treatment. What about Jerry's "Garcia"? It was released about 2 months after "ACE" in July 1972. However, except for Bill sitting in, "Garcia" is truly a solo effort, so does that disqualify it from getting a 50th remastered new mix?

(Crap-cha seems to have gotten more bitchy of late.)

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....just checked out their album Zonkey. Holy shit! This is the best thing ever! All incredible mash-up covers. I mean. An Electric Avenue/Highway To Hell mash-up?? Ace Of Spades/Its Going To Be
A Long Night by Ween? Genius.
That seals it. Just bought tix to see them in February.

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And I use that term loosely... with a nod to any women who may be lurking but are put off (to say the least) by our tendency to rave unconscionably (sp?)....

Hey, I met Oro -- the Colorado Oro -- yesterday! I was hammering west across Colorado (with good, if diverse intentions) and stopped in Eagle to deliver my Band of Gypsys box from my coveted collection to a complete stranger... But no! It was Oro, aka Pedro, who we all know and love from his shall we say voluminous correspondence. A man a bit difficult to pin down, as events unfolded, that sunny day (24 hrs ago).

I'm happy to report -- and no doubt he'll spread some greasy rumors about me... -- that our local Colorado "Oro" is a fine gentleman and -- instead of "dyed in the wool" can we advance to something more like "soaked in a vat of whatever we all been soaking in for the last 50 years" Deadhead? I mean, his hour-long narrative of GD shows experienced had me dizzy... (but I digress).

Tryin' to say through the Indica and Jameson that Colorado Oro is a righteous brother and I HOPE HE MAILS ME BACK BY BoG BOX!!!! I mean, I met the cat in the parking lot of Eagle, Colo.'s largest liquor store, which was our fallback position, and he never took his shades off.......... But he did say that he wants to go to Las Vegas to meet some of you, including the now infamous Vguy and anyone else who wants to say goodbye to a settled life. (Basically, we're talking a regional conference of people who can no longer take their shades off for physiological reasons.)

But I'd say this: there are actual people behind the avatars displayed here. And some of them seem to be pretty fine citizens.

Reporting in, HF

Got home tonight and found mail from experience vinyl. They are offering a redo of "Garcia". A 2 lp set with second lp being out takes. I believe the vinyl will be gold. I read nothing about a remastering.

But odd you should just ask,,,, and there it was!

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44 years ago tonight I was at Winterland for a knockout show with the Good Old Grateful Dead. What a blast; I hope they release this whole run as a box set . Fun times!

....you are blessed 🙌 to have seen so many awesome bay area shows. Jealous.
Golden Knights won 5-2. Scored two or more goals in the 1st period. That means two free Taco Bell tacos all day tomorrow if you show your ticket. 🌮

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DaveRock - Dylan is currently touring Europe and the UK, and I wondered if yourself or any friends may have caught a recent show, or are his shows being covered in the press at all?

I’m just curious how he is sounding this tour? He always brings a great band, so I’m expecting that is still the case.

I always try and make a point to see him if he plays nearby. One of the best songwriters Garcia ever sourced.

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Good to hear you are out moving around Hendrixfreak. What was in your Gypsy box?

Looking forward to #44.
We should know #45 within the next couple of weeks. Maybe Dave will open the year with Kezar or Maples Pavilion?

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Amazon has it for pre order 44 bucks. Says "limited", but not how many. Gold vinyl.

I bit. But I'm worth it! If not me, who? If not now, when?

Money in the bank, right?

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Thanks Dennis. Forgot how pristine and tight "Garcia" is. With the rest of the Dead sitting this one out except for Bill on drums, and Jerry playing/singing everything, it's almost like an "unplugged" performance. His pedal steel on the Wheel is ethereal. Also looking forward to the Alternate Takes on the second LP. Onward.

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Oro - If you are perusing the boards today, please check your PM.

Dennis - Since you have the wallet out, Vinyl Me, Please is offering Miles Davis’ “Star People” on vinyl. IMHO, this was one of MD’s better late career releases, and features John Scofield and Mike Stern on guitars. See the MD website for a L-I-N-K to Vinyl Me, Please.

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Thatmike - no sadly, I missed out. A few months ago, when the tickets went on sale, I spent ages looking at the prices, trying to decide where to sit, which night to go on, who to buy the ticket off...and it literally sold out before my eyes while I was mucking about! I don't know where my head was at that morning.
I'll keep a lookout at the the music papers and see how the shows are reviewed. I have only actually seen Dylan once - 2017, I think. Chances of me seeing him again aren't looking too good !

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Can't find a track list online; I'm wondering if the outtakes are the same ones that were included a few years ago in the Jerry box set, 8 outtakes altogether.

They appear to be the same tracks as that jerry box set (beyond description),,,, but they're on cd, not limited edition GOLD vinyl!!!

Come on now,,,,, GOLD VINYL!

Can't spell gold without god

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Thanks Dave. I was just curious how his 80+ something croaky voice is holding up. I think his tour poster on his site states 2021-2024, so I’m guessing he is trying to get to every place he can at least once before he hangs it up. The guy is 81. I don’t think either one of my grandfathers even saw age 80.
Thanks again, Amigo!

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Ordered the vinyl AND joined the vinyl of the month club (cancel any time)

Ordered the cd, used for 12 bucks from amazon.

Was surprised I didn't have this in stock. Interesting reviews seem to concur with you about John Scofield and Mike Stern being the star of the show.

It's coming,,, thanks for heads up. I've said it before and will repeat. One of the great things about this site is people pointing out "things" that have come out. You can't watch it all, nice to have extra eyes.

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44 years ago today - the windup at the end of The Other One and the Stella Blue are forever etched in my brain.
I assume Billy and Nitecat were there as well. Magical Mistery Tour(if my memory serves me well...) and east coast vs west coast volleyball game prior to the show(or was it Dead crew vs. Bill Graham's crew??)
The band was LOUD, with Jerry louder than everybody else, just the way it should be!

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RTs Volume 1 #4 a most appropriate show to listen to on its anniversary. This whole run needs to be Normanized.

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Who you calling a fine citizen and a gentleman!
Why I outta!

So yaaasssss, after a ridiculous chaotic fluid morning, I was fortunately able to rendezvous for a fine enjoyable meeting with the multi talented senior Freak, (much too brief but his patience was appreciated considering his agenda etc) after, all was well, until…? Until I say that dark and stormy night
(“ Stooooorrrmmmmyyyy”), ahem wrong rabbit hole.
Until about an hour later, which is around the last I remember, for approximately 48 hours—though I have weird reoccurring flashbacks of running with the pack, and scratching my ear with my foot—until I woke up naked and alone and an unbelievable urge to howl? Strange occurrences in the mountains indeed!
But long short, Senior is even much more than shines through from his posts.
Oh, and generous beyond comprehensive. I did him one small act of kindness without expectation of any return, and well, his gifts, ahem shocked me!
Oh, love the HF album: The Sagebrush Bohemians Let’s Smooth It. Check it out!
Modern Dylan like influences, with often fun songs, good arrangements, and great sound!
A writer, field nut, science freak, connoisseur of much, singer/songwriter, AND an all around GOGD brastafarian!
Mucho Garcia’s!

Oh, don’t worry, your children are fine and will be returned home shortly once we’re done having are way with them lol.
More on this and others whom require individual correspondence just as soon as they get these elephants off the stage…
Now if I could just stop scratching my ear with my foot?

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....don't get me wrong, but HF mentioned a Vegas road trip.
Don't think for a minute I didn't catch that little nugget of potential intel.
There is no autumn here. Going from 85 degrees today to 68 on Sunday. Major cold front heading our way. 60 mph wind gusts tomorrow.
Buckle up buttercup. (That's to myself. Thin blood and stuff).
And before y'all laugh at me in "Dude, really?", keep in mind, I was born and raised here. 🍻 When it gets under sixty degrees, I bundle up big time and make hot toddies.

Relax, it’s only gibberish, but…but I say, I say, if and when we ever make it back to the great city of Lost Wages, it would be our honor and pleasure to buy you and your lovely other a beer if not dinner!
It’s just really nice to actually meet someone from our kind little universe here!
And like the real world certain diamonds shine brighter!

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My order is on the way! UPS are aware of the packages existence.
Mail Innovations this time so I’m not expecting to see it too soon, but it’s nice to know the process has been initiated. Now back to your regular ‘Meet up at the casinos’ programme:))

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44 years ago tonight, I was at Winterland ( along with Cousins and alot of other great folks who post on this forum) for a knockout show with the Good Old Grateful Dead. Hopefully, this whole run will be released as a box set one day. They could combine it with the March 77 shows and have one hell of a box set. Fun times for sure.

It would be great if this run was released as a box.
I was thinking this morning if there would be any value in releasing runs of shows without all the paraphernalia. The boxes do look good, and I enjoy reading the articles in the books...but if they cut down on all that, maybe they would be able to release more shows in box sets. Less extravagant ones. They are only released on deadnet - not general release, so I am sure we all know the background to shows already - or can look them up in Deadbase or online. For example-I would think we all know the background to the October 78 Winterland run - they could just release the shows on cd/download - or vinyl, without the extras - and it would still sell like hotcakes. Just a thought.

Dave Rock
They don’t get nominated for a Grammy if they don’t make the box look pretty:))
Yes, I’d be happy with simpler formats and more music.

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Colin - looking at what you have just posted on the 17cd section - maybe the international postage charges wouldn't be be so much if the boxes were a bit smaller.

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According to Music Direct, the tracks are:
1. Sugaree ( Alternative Take)
2. Loser ( Alternative Take)
3. Late For Supper/ Spidergawd/ Eep Hour ( Alternative Take)
4. The Wheel ( Alternative Take 1)
5. The Wheel ( Alternative Take 2)
6. Study for "Eep Hour"
7. Dealing From the Bottom (Studio Jam)
8.Study for "The Wheel"

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I would be on the MSG Box thread, but it looks like it's kaput.
I know the MSG '81 shows, and I think disc 1 from 3/10 is fast.
Tempted to bust out my cassettes from storage...will have to fire up the old TEAC W-6000R.
Firing up disc 2 from 9/20/82 in 3...2...1...

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