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  • proudfoot
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    One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

    Like 10 6 80.

    High energy with no political commentary filler.

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    With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

    I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!

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    There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
    What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

    And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
    I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
    So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
    The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!

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    and others.
    For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
    They were NEVER intended to be released!
    They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
    That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
    Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
    With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
    Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
    It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

    Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

    OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
    I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!

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    Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

    Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

    Thank you.

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    When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
    Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
    Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.

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    just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.

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    I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?

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    …call for desperate measures.
    Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…

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    From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

    Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

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39 years ago tonight, we really cut lose with the Good old Grateful Dead, what an absolute knockout of a good time. Tickets were very hard to get for these two shows, but somehow we got lucky. Cousins or Nite Cat, I bet you guys were there. Crazy fun times.

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No place else to put this, but I hope there is a 30 Days of Dead starting tomorrow. Now back to my regularly scheduled pipe.

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It was Gracias return to the stage after his coma. He had played 2 shows at the Stone in S.F. 2 weeks before. The show was Garcia's band and King fish with Weir. Garcia opened the show Kingfish closed. I was used to seeing Garcia at the tiny Keystone in Palo Alto, I thought his band was kinda swallowed up in the larger Oakland Auditorium. I hadn't seen Kingfish since they had David Torbert and Robby Haddinot in the band, I wasn't that knocked out by this version of the band. It was great to see Garcia back onstage, but this show would pale to when he played his first gig with the Dead on 12/15/86, you just had to be there, and lucky for me I was.

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I was there indeed; I was the one with the huge "10 Days since the Last Day Job" banner. Lo and behold, they played it; one of those magical GD moments.
I did run into Nitecat, if my memory serves me well. Marin Civic was a small place, very nice to catch them there. I saw a great Jerry band show there in early '78, part of it made it to the Pure Jerry 78 release a few years ago(I think Hunter's Comfort opened...)

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BCT in this week's Tapers.
And keep your hands off that candy. It's for the kids.
Remember that house that always gave out the full sized candy bars?
They busted us when we came back for seconds.
Cheers and happy Halloween

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Hey Vguy, actually, it's North Carolina, Asheville. He played last nite and the nite before too, the fellowship of the ring was night one, the two towers was last night and tonight will be the return of the king. He plays Asheville Halloween, last year it was the Wizard of Oz. Quite a trip, check out the write up on facebook, Billy as Frodo, Base player as Gandalf...tickets went faster than last year, there are a few for resale but they are 400. scadouchers or so. Went down to check it out and there was a very long line with everyone dressed up as Shire folk, it was quite the sight. Tonight should be really cool. Happy Halloween everyone.

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Cousins, I had an absolute blast at 10/30/83. All my friends were there and we really were out there. We ran into a guy dressed like Ben Franklin and that guy just had us busting our guts laughing. The next night I was the only one to get a ticket, so it wasn't nearly as fun. I was at that Garcia Acoustic show at the Marin Vets that they put out on the Pure Jerry series, it was very cool. I also saw a great Blues Festival in July of 1984 that was held outside the center, Lowel Fulson and Joe Liggins and the Honey Drippers were 2 of the performers.

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39 years ago tonight I was up at the Marin Veterans Auditorium, to hear the Good Old Grateful Dead pull St. Stephen out the hat one last time. I only saw the Dead do St Stephen one other time 7/13/76 at the Orpheum Theatre. It was cool to see them do the song but I had a lot more fun the night before when all my friends were at the show.

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UPS usually provide a few updates as the item leave Fontana, even if full tracking isn’t available. This time 10 days after the first suggestion that it was on its way UPS still say they are aware of the order but don’t say they have it.
Just to show that it isn’t just Rhino, my order through Amazon for the new Garcialive set has been cancelled by them saying it is unavailable! I could order directly but as I’m in the UK it nearly doubles the price just including postage and could also attract further charges in taxes. Since 1 - 18 are still available from Amazon I’ll wait and hope it eventually appears. It’s odd that they cancelled it only a few days after release since I’ve had some items pre-ordered for months before they get cancelled. Enough moaning, I’ll listen to some of the music I already have.

Colin - I had a similar problem with Garcia 19 and Amazon. I preordered it as soon as it was announced, but come release date, Amazon said they may not carry the item (they have since backtracked, but I won’t see it until the 2nd week in November). They have been doing this more and more lately, such as the latest Wolf Brothers release. I’d prefer to order directly from the Garcia family site, but like now ordering from Dead.net, the international shipping and sundry fees to where I am are a killer (not to mention slow, no-tracking delivery), so I don’t order from them directly anymore. It is why I did not renew my 2023 DaP subscription, which is a real piss off, but it is what it is.

I know we shouldn’t talk hockey here, as some members tend to clutch their pearls, but the Second Best Player from Arizona - Tage Thompson - put up six points last night for Buffalo! (For perspective, think Wilt Chamberlain’s 100 point game in the NBA in 1962). I told people to watch this Buffalo team - after years of mediocrity, they have built a very young, skilled team.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled DaP watch.

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Saw Phil last night for the Holloween show at the Capitol in Port Chester and it was very good!! Dwane Betts is a very good guitar player. Another Son of the original Allman Bros playing a GREAT GUITAR While playing "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" I felt like I was back at the Filmore east in early 1971 Saw the Allman Brothers at the Filmore East 3 times and the Last Weenend too. Also did Blue Sky

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I meant the last weekend when the Filmore East closed

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Jorma - Quah, almost autobiographical for him.
Jorma - Magic, live winter of 1984 and much like I saw him 1yr. later in Crested Butte.
Larry Coryell and the 11th House - Level One
Jan Hammer - The First Seven Days
Dap 33 - DeKalb! By recommendation here. Dang that's a good one. Sound is perfect Betty!
Cheers
DaP 44 due here Wed. Lovely!

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Day of the Dead, celebrate, celebrate, dance to the music.

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Quah is the bomb! Such a great album, one I think every serious collector should have in their collection. Jorma never got the props I think he deserved as a guitarist, acoustic or electric.

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Told this story before but saw him in a conference room solo, in '85 I think, in Crested Butte, CO. Very small crowd and we had to wait hours for his hands to quit vibrating from haven ridden from Denver on a Harley. Or so we were told.
Great show, he was pretty high I'd guess but fully functional. So quick you can't figure how he does it even when watching up close. Finger picker extraordinaire!
Cheers

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Very early in the morning of October 22nd I received a shipping confirmation mail meaning it must have been sent from America on the 21st. Later that day I clicked on the UPS tracking thingy. There it stated that the shipment was ready for UPS and that the order information had been received at 12:02 AM on October 22nd. Now, at 1:32 PM on November 1st nothing has changed. The shipment is still ready for UPS and the order information has been received. I know this is the year that everything has turned to shit, but really...
As for GarciaLive 19, I ordered it from a local shop here in the Netherlands for 26 Euros. I ordered it on release day and received it the following day. Amazon in Germany are selling it for 71 Euros. They cannot be serious.

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First Show - That’s an incredible Jorma story, likely the most unique reason I’ve ever heard for a reason for a delay in starting a show! Somehow, too, given his life long love of motorcycling, very believable. I guess Jorma used to teach/still teaches guitar from a ranch property he owns in Ohio. Just weeks ago, an archival release of “kitchen tapes” he and Janis Joplin used to make when she was Janis Nobody, from 1964, were released. You hear about the amazing longevity of players like Jorma, who are still bringing it, or Bob Dylan, or Dead & Co, and so forth. Contrast this to flakes like Justin Bieber, mid 20s, who needs to stop touring because he doesn’t feel fresh anymore, or whatever reason. Good grief. Meow.

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Yay! Made it to the theatre on time, was worried when I had to dodge some deer on the road, close!!! Anyway, '72 Dead here we go!!!!

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Um, no.
What's circulating is superior to this release.

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My 44 shipped last week, and if I’m lucky, I might receive it tomorrow. I have read on another board of a couple of people receiving their copy without receiving a shipping email. So, at this point, I’d be willing to bet you will just receive it without a shipping email.

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Boulder, circa 1981-82, Jorm arrives having driven a rental from the East Coast in more or less one go. Three nights with early and late shows. We caught most all of them, racing up and down I-36 in borrowed vehicles and in a state best addressed without the intoxicants we ingested. Jorma walks into the bathroom, pulls up at the urinal next to me, I'm splashing away and say, "Jorma, I named my cat after you." Barely an acknowledgement. He zips and goes. I'm still peeing when Jorma heads for the door, which slams open and in marches my friend. He grabs Jorma by the shoulder and says quite loudly: "Remember Bay Ridge!" (An excellent tape of an excellent Jorma show, but not exactly "Remember the Alamo!") and Jorma expertly twists out of his grip and escapes. I'm still peeing. My friend pulls up. "You missed it. I was just hanging with Jorma!" I looked at him the way Jorma looked at me. F***ing Boulder!

Yes, about to sip a Pilsner Urquell, dabble in a little bud and head down to the theater. Go PIGPEN!!!!

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3589 has arrived! Yay! Now I may stop listening to MSG 82 and check this out. I can't believe I have to choose between two great releases. Which shall I listen to? Oh the decisions I am faced with. : >

Landed at the remote rural PO box yesterday, too lazy to go get it until today at noon... Just finished the first disc, audio/recording quality is excellent so far. Became an instant Jorma fan the first time I heard Embryonic Journey spring of 1967, age 14, vinyl Surrealistic Pillow. Seen him play a bunch, with JA twice, HT quite a few and his memorably intense version of Sugaree at Dear Jerry Merriweather. My impression, listening to him talk about his music, does not look back, it's out, done, whats next, constant evolution, listening to what he is playing always, never dials it in. He's announced a solo tour, will be near this area in March, fingers crossed no blizzard that night. The nearest MUATM is a three hour round trip, must pass waaaaahhh. Vicarious please.

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Took a brief hiatus, I got too angry and PT Barnum, wanna apologize for the way I spoke to you. Had to take a step back, reflect, and listen to some good ol grateful dead. Found the lyrics of UJB ringing out pretty loud, and realized truly that there ain't no time to hate. With all the division being sewn throughout the world, fellowship over this fine band is a mighty important thing.

That being said, should finally get Dave's 44 in the mail tomorrow and enjoyed searching for the Passenger in 30 days of dead today. Always a challenge, sometimes it's easier than others. Although I haven't even heard 44, I can't wait for 45. Also, gave GarciaLive 19 a listen and the Broadway 87 shows a few listens this weekend, always good music for the soul. Hope everyone is enjoying the start of November.

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Love your story about Bob letting Ramblin' Jack down easy and dignified. Over 90 is a rather suspect time to be punk in drublic, not that I am anyone to judge.

There was no world series game last night, Shirley you must be joking? Phils are going to win it all.

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I don't do the 30 Days. But fun to read others posts.
I have the Hot Tuna In A Can can. #0121 out of 5k. Any of you have it?
It's a box. In can form. Cue the can-can dancers.
I know where 83% of my physical music is. Found the can and America's Choice is up.
Part of my last five.

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Just received DaP44 in the mail today, been hearing about and listening to the Eugene '90 shows since my friend got back from the shows on June 25th of that year. Heard some great aud tapes and the UltraMatrix but this one is by far the best. Those two Eugene shows are, to me, the best shows of the year. I find it a shame that the show from the 24th has been separated from its sibling; the coolest way to handle it would be to have the 24th be DaP45! But...since that's not going to happen, how about a separate release or a download release? These two shows need to be heard together. You can tell what type of weekend it was going to be just six minutes into 'Feel Like A Stranger'. From that point, they were ON.

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It's amazing how fast these things travel when they need to, mine arrived on 10/31 here in New York. I like it, but I like most releases.

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Caught the "movie" last night. The local movie house struggled to get it going for half-hour, then the boys appeared. The first live shot is of the band from maybe mid-hall and it was grainy, so I feared that would be it for the evening. Wrong. The Danish camera operators really got some amazing footage of all the band members at their tasks and zeroed in on soloists pretty well, including Jer's hands, Bobby's insane rhythm playing and Phil's singing and playing. The clarity of the close-ups was amazing. Pigpen does Hurts Me Too, Next Time You See Me, plays great organ on Truckin' and harp on his own tunes. Someone painstakingly calibrated the audio to the video, it seemed flawless. Add in the fact that the music was executed nearly flawlessly (naturally, Bobby flubs a line in Truckin' by omitting it, but seamlessly returns to the fray). The harmonizing is really good, no overdubs needed. Highlights includes China > Rider and the first-ever He's Gone, in an uptempo version. Jer looks like the cat who ate the canary on this debut. The only downside is that the theater did not serve alcoholic beverages, so it was a good thing I brought a shooter of Jame-o and a pen. I'd buy this film on DVD in a heartbeat. Well worth seeing for anyone sitting on the fence. If you live within reasonable distance, go this Saturday.

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For the review. A+ but I grade on a curve, LOL.
I hope it is released as a DVD. I'll bite.
Cheers

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Hoping around, got Wheel on now.

I think it's a very nice recording.

While I'm here,,, I mention, again.

It's a shame they never took The Wheel to the heights it was capable of. I always wanted that 15, 20 minutes huge jam into huge vocals,,,, small wheel turn by the fire and rod....

One can dream.

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Go see the Tivoli show on Saturday. Interesting on so many levels (especially for those of us who never saw Pigpen), and there is just plain no substitute for Jerry, and as noted the camera crew did an astounding job. We saw it in Berkeley, but see it wherever you are!
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Got #1598 here in New Jersey, lowest number I've ever received since ordering from 30 on. Subscribed since 33. Not really a surprise but the sound quality is absolutely superior to the listening party mp3. Cheers to all who saw it, don't think I'll be able to make the drive to see 4/17/72 on Saturday, bit of a drive from where I'm at, but totally agree that if they release it, I'll snap it up in a second.

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There were several posts here recently with love for Jorma Kaukonen. So wanted to let folks know he'll be on a week long music cruise in the Caribbean Feb 10 - 17th. Since we can't post lynx, just search "Cayamo". Since it's a made up word, you should readily get to it.

I was last on a Cayamo cruise about 14 years ago (where 2023 will be the 15th edition). What I really like about it is all the spontaneous jamming with artists jumping in with others to do a few songs or a full set. Last cruise I was on folks were calling it "The Buddy Boat" because it seemed like Buddy Miller played with just about everyone. Given there are 30+ acts, I suspect we'll see more of this in the next installment.

When I signed up a couple weeks back, there were still a number of rooms left. Just wanted to make sure folks here were aware of the opportunity!

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Just had an email. from Dead.net telling me my copy of Dave's Picks Vol. 48 has been placed on backorder.
Anybody else got the same email ?

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I too received the same weird email, MaryE, got any idea what is going on? should I cancel and reorder? was about to pay the credit card bill but now I will wait, but I would like to know if I have a subscription or if it is on backorder? how could it be on backorder? why are rhino/warner music/deadnet trying to freak me out? I was good during Halloween, I didn't trick anybody, and I gave out chocolate, no po po candy here. Please advise powers that be.

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either, what's up with that? I log in, go to that page and it say's I'm not logged in, glitches instead of witches, I thought Halloween was over. Spooky

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The Dave's 44 CD came today. I admit I don't listen to the 90s. I do listen to 60s and 70s so I know this band's song list extensively. It sounds strange. Cumberland Blues and Me And My Uncle sound tired. Up to They Love Each Other now. It all seems lackluster and energyless. There is some cool Hammond on TLEO. I don't think I'll ever get used to Vince's voice. Some cool mellow jamming at the end of Cassidy but the song part feels uneven. I'm gonna go the whole way on this one. Is it considered a "great show"? I thought everything from 89/90 was considered the great resurgence and shows were all 5 star. Tennessee Jed sloooow. Someone please pick up the tempo!

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My DaP 44 just arrived. Memories! I had started touring this year - Dominguez Hills, a weird spot to get on the bus - but I missed these Eugene shows because I didn't even know they were happening. I just wasn't connected enough yet. Friends got back from Eugene in late June with stories of how great the shows were. This was after I'd also skipped Cal Expo (but not Shoreline) because I was in college at the time and I was already on academic probation, and I didn't want to fail finals and fail all the way out of college. So instead, listening to all the stories and good vibes from Eugene, I thought "Ok, Fall Tour it is!" I didn't fail out of college, but Fall Tour wasn't to be...

I can remember walking on campus about a month later and learning that Brent was dead, and nothing was ever quite the same again. My friends and I got shut out of the early December shows at Oakland. Managed to score a ticket to the night before NYE later that month, but that would be my one and only NYE run. The following December I was down in SoCal, and I remember listening to (and taping) the FM broadcast and thinking it was underwhelming compared to the Halloween '91 show I'd been lucky enough to attend two months earlier. Little did I know that would be it for NYE runs.

Just goes to show that timing is everything. For now, I plan to spend this time transporting myself back 32 years to Summer 1990, when the band was still humming along and Brent was still with us. For those looking forward to this Eugene show, I hope it lands promptly in your mailboxes if it's not there already.

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Three quarters the way through and HOLY MOLY Jer plays and sings such a great setlist and with truly stunning and touching guitar work and that band and that female chorus are from Heaven via Harlem. Oh man. Every single song is outstanding. But check out Ain't No Bread in the Breadbox, cuz Jer gets funky with his riffs and tone in a long jam section where everyone is playing off each other. Trust me on this one. And for October 1992, just wow.

I'll say something potentially unpopular. I checked out of the scene in 1987 after a few years of Jer's decline. My bad, cuz I missed the resurgence of 1989-90. (Did catch the Hornsby GD in Chicago in June 91 and two more in June 92, as well as Jer bands, 1975 to 1991.) But I have to conclude, based on the recorded evidence, that perhaps Jer would have been happier and less morose if he had put the GD to rest and just gone off into the sunset with his own band. You all know I'm a dyed in the wool Deadhead, but Jer's playing in '90s with both bands draws a contrast for me that favors the JGB. At least that's how I feel today after getting my ass kicked by GL 19!

Another contrast: I'm a huge fan of Garcia-Saunders and that early bar band jam thing-y. BUT the latter day JGB with Melvin Seals and the gospel singers just plain rings my bell.

Don't miss the Tivoli film if you can make it.

Over and out, peoples!

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Agree with HF and Marye, this is a film to see. Excellent mix, you can hear all instruments clearly. It's insightful to see Jerry or Bob's fingers play the notes as you hear them. China Rider, the very first He's Gone performance (without the bridge), Truckin', and Saturday Night. There were occasional shots of the audience, many in front were dancing. Also bittersweet to see Pigpen in one of his final performances. He looked very thin. He didn't feel well for most of the tour, but stepped up to every last performance. I also enjoyed seeing Bob and Jerry singing duets on some songs, like Me & Bobby McGee. Hair on the back kinda stuff.

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