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  • daverock
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    PT - thanks for you post. I know quite a few people with very strong opinions, though - I listened to someone ranting and raving about Boris Johnson only yesterday. Would that be a suitable thing to post about? God help us if it is ! The last demonstration I went on was only last month, too - but again - I don't see this as a platform for going on about it.

    Oro...well. Surely there is a difference between someone discussing non Dead related music on here as opposed to venting their political angst. I have discovered all sorts of bands and musicians on here that I would never otherwise have come across. John Coltrane's "Ascension" was the last one. But if you feel like puking, then that's okay with me. Hawkwind apparently used to provoke it in the unwary,with their use of lasers and lights around the time of "Silver Machine". So you would be in good company - hey...over there, though.

    Ist show - good man - cheers. Definitely more 1978! I gave the bonus disc of the From Egypt With Love shows a spin last night - great stuff.

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    I knew when I posted that last night....

    ....that there would be backlash. But everything I said was true. Is this primarily a music related forum? Yes. Do we also talk about a myriad of other topics. A resounding yes.
    If some of you were "offended" in some way, believe me. That was not my intent. Im just being honest. The last five years has put a definite strain on what is considered American democracy and the rift is growing wider in my opinion. Prior to then, I rarely payed attention to politics at all. But things have changed. I have lost friends and family over this shit. My workplace got toxic after 1/6. Some thought is was "funny" and approved of it. And all because some narcissistic egomaniac is a sore loser. It baffles my mind. Not everything is sunflowers and patchouli oil. Just my two cents. Take it for what you will. And my timing for going there is on point.
    And yes, Gainesville would be welcome.

  • Strang3stofplaces
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    Just cause I don't post often here doesn't give me any less of a right to complain. The internet is a seemingly endless place, and there are probably better places to get out the vote than on a forum for Dave's Picks 44. I didn't say you can't talk about it, and if you want to talk about anything go ahead with it. But jeez, I just come here to discuss Dave's 44, or the series as a whole, or whatever the topic is and that is just so damn rarely what's being discussed. If you want to promote the political right of voting, go out and do that, however you'd like. If this is the preferred place for it, sucks for me and all the people who'd like to confine it to the band and the music, don't it? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, but you don't go into a church talking about quantum physics or NASA talking about how God is the reason the space shuttle landed on the moon. All I'm saying there.

    That being said, late 72 would be great, as late as possible with that NYE show being particularly hot.

    And don't mistake my words as being aggressive, although they may be charged.

  • Oroborous
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    What aaaaabout Gainesville?

    It’s been 36 picks since the last 1980 show. 24 since 81, and 20 since he decided a 72 DaP.

    Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
    (First #) = Year:
    (2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
    (3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
    (4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

    80: 1 / 36 / #8
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    81: 1 / 24 / #20
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    72: 3 / 20 / #24
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    71: 3 / 18 / #26
    76: 3 / 16 / #28
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    70: 2 / 14 / #30
    79: 1 / 13 / #31
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    84: 1 / 9 / #35 (1+)
    87: 1(2) / 8 / #36 (2)
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    78: 4 / 7 / #37
    73: 5 / 6 / #38 (1+)
    83: 2 / 5 / #39
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    77: 6 / 3 / #41
    74: 6 / 2 / #42 (1+)
    69: 3 / 1 /#43 (2)
    90: 2(3) / - / #44
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    No Picks from:
    66-68, 75
    82, 85, 86,
    88, 89, 91-95

  • PT Barnum
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    I don't want to piss anyone off but

    for someone who doesn't comment much on these boards, you sure got a lot to say about what we can talk about here. NO censorship means just that, NO, so if you want to talk fishin' I guess that will be ok. I think Jerry stated that the political stuff is what was f**ked up about the 60's so now they might be a bit more political, I mean you never saw Jerry holding a blue or God forbid a red vote sign. The remaining members sans Phil have been a lot more vocal about voting and being political. All good, there are a lot of Deadheads and getting the word out about voting is ok in my book.
    As far as the next pick, some late 72 would be just fine Dave, thanks. Or some more 1980 Gainesville would be nice too.

  • Oroborous
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    Nuratlee, I will search…

    Stangestofplaces. Glad you understand,just trying to be informative.
    I can certainly understand if you don’t like it, just seems like often there are folks who don’t understand the limitations involved and thus feel the team derelict in some way. I think they usually do a great job with what they have to work with. I mean even with all the inherent idiosyncrasies, all things considered I think they sound pretty dern good!
    I just wish they’d release more multis!
    Smithers release the…

    EDIT: HF, dig the new shades!
    The kids are fine and hopefully will be on their way back home on Wednesday…

  • 1stshow70878
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    Check PMs. Thx
    Cheers

    For DaP 45: More '78 please, and thank you.

  • Strang3stofplaces
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    Grateful Dead being a political band

    Just to clarify my thoughts on this, they definitely were political, certainly not to the tune of endorsing a political party or another, but think about 5/6/70, free concert held at MIT after Kent State or the whole save the rainforest campaign in the late 80s. Being political does not solely confine itself to the nature of voting. Regardless, this forum is literally for discussing the music and not to serve the purpose of being a digital stump speech. So please, start another website or forum somewhere else if that's what you want to get your rocks off on. I very rarely have posted here but often check em out to see what might be being discussed, i.e. the music, and it is increasingly rare that that is the topic at the moment. To transition to that, how about this? What are some the hopes for the next Dave's? Due to be announced with the almanac in the next week or so. Personally, I'm hoping 46 will be 6/10/73 (arguably the best setlist ever) with a bonus disc of 6/9/73.

    And orobouros, thanks for the clarification on the mix levels being due to the 2 track source, and I definitely get the whole first song not usually being reflective of the levels of the whole show.

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    It would be great isn't it?? I don't know if this means everything can be a "multi-track" recording now?

    There are several interviews about this floating out there. Try searching for "Peter Jackson Beatles Get Back Interview" and "Giles Martin Beatles Revolver interview". They should talk about this technology in those interviews. Enjoy!

  • Oroborous
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    Fascinating!
    Never heard of this, do you know offhand where we could learn more?
    Sounds like prime geek feast!
    That certainly could be a game changer.

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holy crap Vguy, just read your previous post about being accosted by a lunatic in the grocery store with a concealed weapon because you had on........a dead shirt that had a really great message on it. Make Amerika Grateful Again. It's a good message, it's not really making fun, is it? I have seen this shirt and I think it is awesome. In the grocery store, concealed weapon, what the hell is happening to this country? It has all ready started, the republicans and the last person in the white house who shall not be named, are all ready talking about rigged elections. It may be too soon to say it, but is it over for this experiment that is a free republic? I voted, I made sure my 96 yr old mother in law voted (blue) and I have signed up to take people to the poles who can't get there on tuesday. That's all I can do. I won't go out and antagonize crazies who are poll watching or conceal carry to intimidate anyone, but I will do what ever I can to stop this madnesss that is trying to take over this country. You showed great restraint Vguy, when he grabbed you, how did you not remove his hand, did you grab his hand and ask him to let you go? How did you get him to let you go? was it the crowd? cowards Make America Grateful Again, political rant over and apologizes to any and all who I might have offended.
Highest # ever for me with a Dave's 24657 but it's here and will check it out in all its glory today. Peace and vote

Since you ask. Not here in UK yet. Mine is still in CA awaiting processing in Fontana. After 2 weeks I finally have an alternate tracking number, that ends FR so it is going to go to France once it starts moving. Should be here in the next couple of weeks but that’s normal.

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Barnum: well said

Vguy: you showed admirable restraint. If that had happened to me, cops may have been called.

Be well everyone, except... you know who.

\m/

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Drummer and Singer with Low. I’ve enjoyed their music for many years.

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....to answer the question, he let go of me on his own. I think he realized that people around were starting to take notice. Some phones were starting to come out. Like I said, he wasn't exactly whispering and I'm glad a video of the interaction didn't hit social media should that conversation had gone on longer. The entire event lasted maybe 30 seconds.
I'm not 100% against conceal carrying. I mean, I own a couple of firearms. Would I conceal carry though? No. But I do worry about the mental stability of those that do. Its a slippery slope of a topic. That dude had crazy eyes though and the last thing I was going to do was stoop to his level of anger and stupidity even though i did feel my blood pressure rising. Not worth my time.
It's the day and age we unfortunately live in and will not change overnight.
Time to tune into the Dolphins vs da Bears. Wearing my Marino jersey today. Muted with TTB on the big boy stereo.
And extra hour of sleep today was nice.
Here's a hot take. I think America was great before you know who ran on a campaign saying that it wasn't.
Now, it's not too great. Thanks jerk.
I will piggy back pt's comment of so many admitted election denyers running for political offices. Concerning to say the least.
Ain't no time to hate. Barely time to wait. Take care out there peeps, because you never know.
Thanks for bearing with me. Y'all are the best 💚

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Has anyone ever had to reach out to Dead.net about a botched delivery on a Dave's Picks? Mine was marked "delivered, in/at mailbox" on Thursday but was not there and has not popped up in subsequent days either.

If I reach out to Dead.net is there any chance they'll ship me a new copy?

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....happened to me once. Said it was delivered, but didn't actually show up until three days later.
Dave's 40 I believe.
Pm Marye. She has our backs.

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Their Christmas EP is a tradition in our house Xmas day. I like that one a lot.

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....to all the movie heads out there, may I highly recommend All Quiet On The Western Front on Netflix.
Intense with grate cinematography.
War is hell.

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To answer my own question, the a capaella version of Brokedown Palace is by The Persuasions from a 2000 cd called Might As Well, The Persuasions sing the Grateful Dead

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....I will check them out. Parry doing the research. Thanks Frank!
It's a far gone lullaby
Sung many years ago
Mama, mama, many worlds I've come
Since I first left home.
Chills.
GG in Chicago. Moving on from TTB to King Gizzard's Ice, Death, Planets, Lungs, Mushrooms and Lava. Solid album from front to back. Psychedelia greatness. Found out they played here in Vegas in April. Right before I discovered them. Doh!!
I'll catch them eventually.

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Yes Frank! I'll be looking for that one.
Love The Persuasions.
Cheers

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V, I am also a handgun owner, and long time NRA member. If I'm out in public, I almost never carry. I live in a primarily crime free 10 mile area, and have no need to carry such a weapon, but my apartment is a different story. I feel sorry for the sap who breaks through the door at night uninvited. He better be armed to the teeth. Especially if my daughter is over. David Crosby got into some trouble over the years for gun ownership, but he is famous, and a little crazy. I have a lot of respect for guns, and I never used them for harm.......or did I? Dap 44 sure builds up in speed as it plays. Good show.

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'Love buzz'. I used to love Mariska veres back in the late 70s. It's a pretty defining song that was the 60s.

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YEP. I love all in the family. I think Lionel said it. What movie?

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Guns?

Statistics show you're more likely to shoot a loved one or have it used on you than you actually shooting "the intruder".

(great Gabriel song)

I was shocked to learn (recently) that half the handgun deaths are suicide!

Finally, I always think of the Harry Carey's line from Angel and the Badman.

The only man who needs a gun, is a man who carries a gun.

Hope I didn't start a huge argument like I mentioned politics,,,,,, or Andy Williams. I will never understand the Andy haters!

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.... did I read right?

Does Taylor Swift have all 10 slots of the top 10 taken up?

That's a wild thing!!! I don't think I'd could tell you one TS song!

And now Dennis the evil bastardo is ratcheting up the fear machine with threats of Andy Williams!
The Horror!

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While sorting thru an enormous amount of "stuff", came across "Art Jackson's Atrocity - Gout" album.

Anyone hear of it?

Was supposed to be a joke or mystery album?

Supposed to be psychedelic album,,,, a quick jab at a few cuts showed maybe,,, maybe a fusion album. But the web pages that came up intrigued me.

Knowledge and thoughts?

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Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!

Moon River deep enough to hide, I dump the bodies there you see.

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Anyone else remember the tv special ‘The H Andrew Williams Kaleidoscope Company’ where Andy went ‘hip’? My limited memory of it has a guest appearance by Simon and Garfunkel.

Dennis obviously has a Blank Space for TS but I’m sure he can Shake It Off otherwise ‘We are never, ever, getting back together.

All in the Family was based on the UK show ‘til death us do part. This is a show which is difficult to watch now with its casual racism and bigotry but did lead The Monkees (Mickey Dolenz) to write ‘Alternate Title’ which was originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after the name used by Alf Garnett in the show for his Liverpool born son in law.

I’d advise everyone to get out and vote to Make America Sensible Again but it’s not going to happen. This, of course, is coming from someone in a country being run by a group of expletive deleted.

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A one hour musical special that aired on April 28, 1968 on NBC. Guest stars included: Ray Charles and The Raylettes, Burt Bacharach, Simon and Garfunkel and Mama Cass Elliott. Quite interesting use of the kaleidoscope meaning with appropriate for the time psychedelic backgrounds and some excellent music.

Never saw this and I was a big andy fan. Watched his tv show every week. ah, the cookie eating bear and mr echo.

This might be up to watch,,,, I'm going back to check.

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Andy is just a bit milquetoast for me. But you like what you like.

If he had covered Waiting for the Man by VU, that would have scored him some points from me.

"It's the most wonderful rush of the year
my skin it is itching
my eyes they are twitching
and now I'm strung ouuuuut"

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I replied to our old friend FourWinds comment on the Dave's 43 thread, but this is worth a repost here. Shoutout to our dear friend FourWinds

This one's for you HendrixFreak

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Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a David Gans radio broadcast with guest host Dick Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

Check it out. An interesting and pertinent chunk of history.
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In other news:
Americans told not to lick psychedelic toads

Hikers in the US have been warned to “refrain from licking” psychedelic toads. Officials said the Sonoran Desert Toad secretes a potent toxin that can make people sick if they touch the frog or get the poison in their mouths. The substance is sometimes crystalised and smoked as a psychedelic substance, said the New York Times. However, writing on Facebook, the National Park service described the potential risks as “toad-ally terrifying”.

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Andy Williams and guns? Can't think how we got here but it did remind me of Andy's love Claudine and a rhyme from a curious incident. "Along came a Spider and sat down beside her, and she blew the poor !@#$er away." Determined to be an accident under suspicious circumstances as I recall. Sabitch was a hell of a skier. Now back to Eugene for a second go.
Cheers
Oh, and there's a Philo Stomp in today's 30 Days 'o Dead.

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Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town

Profound words on The Doors title track to their second album. My company just laid off 25% of IT. My team is now down to two, same headcount when I joined the company almost 10 years ago and we've grown 500% since then from an infrastructure perspective. I thought I was done, but I architected the latest and most complex solutions we have, so might have bought some time.

Unbelievable VGuy - you have such a gregarious personality and being towering in height, not sure what was his major malfunction. Glad you didn't go Gunny Sgt Hartman on the loser: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"

Loving DaP44 - reminiscent of the great shows I got to see from '87 onward...

Still working my way thru the MSG box - Glad they have this era represented but kind of a tough slog for me. Not having Bobby's guitar in the mix was a bit of a shock for the one of the shows on the yearly major release. I'm sure I will enjoy the nuances of Jerry's guitar with more listens.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle website. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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I saw Elizabeth Cotton play at the Sweetwater, also saw Frank Wakefield and David Nelson play there. We would always stop at Village Music before we went to the Sweetwater. Great little place to see music.

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I saw David Nelson there at the new venue also just before the pandemic IIRC. Also Eric Thompson, a good local bluegrass picker.

Village Music was definitely an institution, lots of the famous used to stop in there.

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Great guitar player, I saw him and David Nelson play over at the orIginal Freight & Salvage a couple of times, I taped both shows. We would always go to Everett & Jones Bbq after seeing shows in Berkeley

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You provide a tantalizing glimpse at what could be.... the discovery of the missing first reel to my first show, 9-19-72, which may still await us in Bear's mystery reels. I have alerted the OSF to look for that 1st reel setlist and get that entire show archived. Naturally, at the time -- a newly minted 15 year old with only GD records for reference -- I couldn't have told you that it was a hot show, only that it went on so freakin' long ("What are these people ON? Ohhh....") But we know with the benefit of hindsight that late August to early November '72 that band was on a streak.

Lettuce prey!

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Road Trips and Dick's Picks.
Once a year CD sale.
DiPs 2, 11, 14 are back again too.
Cheers

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1stshow beat me to it, but man there's some tasty stuff and I went for it like a fish for the hook.

Jesse Ed Davis solo CD
Willie Nelson earliest solo demos
Art Blakey (just becuz)
Bob Wills & Texas Playboys (just becuz)
DP 34 (inexplicably missing from the collection, which has lots of hot Nov '77)

I had to resist ordering duplicates of Feb '68, April '69 etc because ... why???

On to speculation for the 2nd Dave's for 2023, which is to be revealed prior to subscription shutdown in ???

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Anyone else had the following situation? I ordered a Dave's Picks subscription on day one of announcement and had my credit card charged but on payment screen received a message "order could not be placed". No email confirmation or order number received despite payment taken.
Dead.net support not replying to my emails. Very poor service as I have been an annual subscriber from DaP1.

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I am going with 10/24/72 with bonus from 10/23 or two shows from July '74.

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2 full shows from Owsleys boxes from 1968, 1969 or 1970. One full show will be the bonus disc.

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1st guess- 7/27&28/73
2nd- 6/10/73 with po 6/9
3rd- 5/26/73
Last 3, 4? Years, second pick has been 73 or 74. Last year was 74, so…?

WOTF bonus: 9/15 or 17/73. If you count WRS all as one song these are the only 2 shows with 6 songs off the album and their good shows!

Box: summer 73

I suggest placing another order using a different browser, and even a different credit card.

Then tell the first credit card company to cancel payment because the retailer does not have a record or your purchase.

Also, you don’t need to create an account to place an order, you can check out as guest.
Worked for me.

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