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  • Vguy72
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    Doh!....

    ....so I bought Widespread Panic tix for March 4th. Flaming Lips just announced their tour. Guess what night they are playing here? March 4th. Love both bands and now I'm torn. Widespread is playing three night though. What to do? What to do.
    And no. I did not insure my WP ticket.

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    Thanks HF

    Hope your feeling better?

    Jimi LA and Woodstock Bluray are on Santa’s list!

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    OMG, Daverock...

    Dooood, I've been to England, long enough ago to maintain the fiction that Brits are well-behaved (I have the same fantasy about Canadians), while the soccer rioter and pre-drinking news etc. slowly seeps in. But the sort of behavior you describe would nix my attendance. I just wouldn't be able to stand it. To be fair, here in Colorado, it is not rare for people to talk constantly through a set, hold their effin' phones aloft (because if you don't have lots of worthless 90-second videos, the show never happened) and the usual rude pushing to the front after the early, easy-going arrivals are all in place.

    My personal etiquette is: never talk during songs or if one must, keep it low and discreet, as in "See ya in a moment, gotta hit the loo. Can I bring you a beer?" Also, I cannot hear conversation with loud music. Just chat between numbers. If someone taps me on the shoulder and asks nicely for me to sit down, apologize, smile and sit down. It's okay to let out an occasional yelp in appreciation of the music peaking, but don't be a tape-ruiner. And if you needed your phone to hook up with friends at the show, hook up and put the friggin' electronics away.

    Speaking of which, as much as I respect tapers, they can be the worst. Went to a Phil show in Denver years ago and got a nice spot with my peeps. Just before showtime, three pricks show up, push in front of us, set up 7-ft high mic stands, asked for more room and shushed us as the show began. We just shook our heads, but the 75-year-old ex-Marine with me wanted to crack some skulls. So, do we deliver justice and get thrown out or acquiesce and ensure it never happens again? We took option B. But those chumps thought they were divinity, as they were getting front-of-soundboard recordings, while the soundboard had its designated taper section all set up behind us.

    Rant over! (But still mumbling to myself...)

    Hey Oro! Que pasa? Hope you got the new Jimi live in LA April '69 show. If not, let me know...............

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    Inverse of that

    Saw my first JGB show on 11/1/81 in a very small gymnasium.
    the stage was only a foot or 2 high.
    For the first set we sat on the floor at Jerry’s feet so close I could have shook his mic stand.
    But folks behind us, basically the rest of the crowd, for some reason didn’t like that we were sitting?
    So after a set of BS from these folks, we stood up for the second set.
    So now the folks behind us that could previously see over us, now had to stare at the back of several six foot plus dudes heads.

    What Daverock just said= I’d often rather stay home and stream!

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    Correct etiquette at gigs

    Not standing on my hair when I'm lying down for one. Not that I do that now, of course, or have that amount of hair that could be stood on if I did.
    HF - I imagine you enhancing a gig rather than being a nuisance. What I don't like is very different to what you're talking about. At medium size gigs in England, you often get groups of lads spending hours in the bar drinking, before pushing their way to the front of the stage minutes before the main band comes on. Pint of beer in one hand, mobile phone in the other. Having secured a place at the front they then seem to go into an epileptic fit during the fast numbers and talk loudly over the quiet ones. I'm much happier buying a ticket for a seat in a theater or a club to see bands now. I haven't been to a festival-open air, since about the year 2000.

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    Yes, lying down = G

    "People whose priority is to enjoy themselves without caring about upsetting others in the process are a nuisance wherever they go."

    I take pride in being one person standing among 10,000 sitting and being nowwhere in 'that woman's' sight line. It was having fun that was wrong. Nothing wrong with sitting for a show if that's what you like, it's just that in a rockin' joint without seats, some will stand. Would I do that in a theater? No. Y'all got it right, which is, how does the environment work into the equation? Even at the Rocks I talk to the people behind me and accommodate as needed, because I'm tall. Also, read the crowd -- is it 'up' or 'down.' So, no 'correct' answer there, but 'yes' to consideration of the neighbors.

    Hats off to Daverock for "short-haired herberts" knocking about in neo-punk days. I had a whirling dervish behind me at a Dr. John show (guest: Henry Butler, post-Katrina) and this kid kept slamming into me. I had to give him a brief talking to. He seemed mystified -- wasn't I having a good time? (Not with him bashing into me, I explained carefully, using 'the look.')

    So, in honor of incoming 2023, when we got to the front of the stage Friday afternoon at Watkins Glen, we stretched out our sleeping bags, rested our heads on one-gallon jugs of cool water, and caught the The ABB, The Band, then a two-hour GD show, mostly lying down, looking up at the boys like we were on a couch in the living room. Absolutely by far the most 'laid' back GD experience ever. For me. Only time I caught a real show lying down. (By that time there were 100,000+ in the crowd and -- crickey! -- some were standing up. Ef 'em...

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    All i know is Deadbase. Wish I knew more.

    Entitlenent: if you watched Portlandia back in the day, there was a sketch about people at an outdoor movie screening. Great stuff that ties in with the theme if entitlement.

    Billy the Kidd is on the money yet again

    I say Hobbs and Big Boy Pete. Or just Biggie.

    Is Calvin too obvious?

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    Rosemary 12/7/68

    54 years ago today the Dead played Rosemary live for the first and only time. What a cool tune, one that I wish they would have brought back for the 1980 Warfield shows. 12/7/68, what a cool show, time to release it.

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    Sense of entitlement

    People whose priority is to enjoy themselves without caring about upsetting others in the process are a nuisance wherever they go.

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    Greetings All.

    I wonder if anyone here might be able to direct me to where my question might be best posted, or perhaps, to an answer. I would like to know if anyone has knowledge of where I might find an entire list of all the Grateful Dead show played that is available in an excel spreadsheet, or something like that.

    I am familiar with entire listings of shows and websites that contain all of the information I am looking for. What I am looking for is something that is already available in a table format or a spreadsheet. If not, then I guess I can work on one and then share it.

    Thank you for any help or suggestions.

    Thank you for all of your music commentary and general positivity.

    Have a beautiful day.

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holy crap Vguy, just read your previous post about being accosted by a lunatic in the grocery store with a concealed weapon because you had on........a dead shirt that had a really great message on it. Make Amerika Grateful Again. It's a good message, it's not really making fun, is it? I have seen this shirt and I think it is awesome. In the grocery store, concealed weapon, what the hell is happening to this country? It has all ready started, the republicans and the last person in the white house who shall not be named, are all ready talking about rigged elections. It may be too soon to say it, but is it over for this experiment that is a free republic? I voted, I made sure my 96 yr old mother in law voted (blue) and I have signed up to take people to the poles who can't get there on tuesday. That's all I can do. I won't go out and antagonize crazies who are poll watching or conceal carry to intimidate anyone, but I will do what ever I can to stop this madnesss that is trying to take over this country. You showed great restraint Vguy, when he grabbed you, how did you not remove his hand, did you grab his hand and ask him to let you go? How did you get him to let you go? was it the crowd? cowards Make America Grateful Again, political rant over and apologizes to any and all who I might have offended.
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Since you ask. Not here in UK yet. Mine is still in CA awaiting processing in Fontana. After 2 weeks I finally have an alternate tracking number, that ends FR so it is going to go to France once it starts moving. Should be here in the next couple of weeks but that’s normal.

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Barnum: well said

Vguy: you showed admirable restraint. If that had happened to me, cops may have been called.

Be well everyone, except... you know who.

\m/

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Drummer and Singer with Low. I’ve enjoyed their music for many years.

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....to answer the question, he let go of me on his own. I think he realized that people around were starting to take notice. Some phones were starting to come out. Like I said, he wasn't exactly whispering and I'm glad a video of the interaction didn't hit social media should that conversation had gone on longer. The entire event lasted maybe 30 seconds.
I'm not 100% against conceal carrying. I mean, I own a couple of firearms. Would I conceal carry though? No. But I do worry about the mental stability of those that do. Its a slippery slope of a topic. That dude had crazy eyes though and the last thing I was going to do was stoop to his level of anger and stupidity even though i did feel my blood pressure rising. Not worth my time.
It's the day and age we unfortunately live in and will not change overnight.
Time to tune into the Dolphins vs da Bears. Wearing my Marino jersey today. Muted with TTB on the big boy stereo.
And extra hour of sleep today was nice.
Here's a hot take. I think America was great before you know who ran on a campaign saying that it wasn't.
Now, it's not too great. Thanks jerk.
I will piggy back pt's comment of so many admitted election denyers running for political offices. Concerning to say the least.
Ain't no time to hate. Barely time to wait. Take care out there peeps, because you never know.
Thanks for bearing with me. Y'all are the best 💚

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Has anyone ever had to reach out to Dead.net about a botched delivery on a Dave's Picks? Mine was marked "delivered, in/at mailbox" on Thursday but was not there and has not popped up in subsequent days either.

If I reach out to Dead.net is there any chance they'll ship me a new copy?

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....happened to me once. Said it was delivered, but didn't actually show up until three days later.
Dave's 40 I believe.
Pm Marye. She has our backs.

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Their Christmas EP is a tradition in our house Xmas day. I like that one a lot.

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....to all the movie heads out there, may I highly recommend All Quiet On The Western Front on Netflix.
Intense with grate cinematography.
War is hell.

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To answer my own question, the a capaella version of Brokedown Palace is by The Persuasions from a 2000 cd called Might As Well, The Persuasions sing the Grateful Dead

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....I will check them out. Parry doing the research. Thanks Frank!
It's a far gone lullaby
Sung many years ago
Mama, mama, many worlds I've come
Since I first left home.
Chills.
GG in Chicago. Moving on from TTB to King Gizzard's Ice, Death, Planets, Lungs, Mushrooms and Lava. Solid album from front to back. Psychedelia greatness. Found out they played here in Vegas in April. Right before I discovered them. Doh!!
I'll catch them eventually.

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Yes Frank! I'll be looking for that one.
Love The Persuasions.
Cheers

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V, I am also a handgun owner, and long time NRA member. If I'm out in public, I almost never carry. I live in a primarily crime free 10 mile area, and have no need to carry such a weapon, but my apartment is a different story. I feel sorry for the sap who breaks through the door at night uninvited. He better be armed to the teeth. Especially if my daughter is over. David Crosby got into some trouble over the years for gun ownership, but he is famous, and a little crazy. I have a lot of respect for guns, and I never used them for harm.......or did I? Dap 44 sure builds up in speed as it plays. Good show.

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'Love buzz'. I used to love Mariska veres back in the late 70s. It's a pretty defining song that was the 60s.

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YEP. I love all in the family. I think Lionel said it. What movie?

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Guns?

Statistics show you're more likely to shoot a loved one or have it used on you than you actually shooting "the intruder".

(great Gabriel song)

I was shocked to learn (recently) that half the handgun deaths are suicide!

Finally, I always think of the Harry Carey's line from Angel and the Badman.

The only man who needs a gun, is a man who carries a gun.

Hope I didn't start a huge argument like I mentioned politics,,,,,, or Andy Williams. I will never understand the Andy haters!

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.... did I read right?

Does Taylor Swift have all 10 slots of the top 10 taken up?

That's a wild thing!!! I don't think I'd could tell you one TS song!

And now Dennis the evil bastardo is ratcheting up the fear machine with threats of Andy Williams!
The Horror!

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While sorting thru an enormous amount of "stuff", came across "Art Jackson's Atrocity - Gout" album.

Anyone hear of it?

Was supposed to be a joke or mystery album?

Supposed to be psychedelic album,,,, a quick jab at a few cuts showed maybe,,, maybe a fusion album. But the web pages that came up intrigued me.

Knowledge and thoughts?

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Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!

Moon River deep enough to hide, I dump the bodies there you see.

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Anyone else remember the tv special ‘The H Andrew Williams Kaleidoscope Company’ where Andy went ‘hip’? My limited memory of it has a guest appearance by Simon and Garfunkel.

Dennis obviously has a Blank Space for TS but I’m sure he can Shake It Off otherwise ‘We are never, ever, getting back together.

All in the Family was based on the UK show ‘til death us do part. This is a show which is difficult to watch now with its casual racism and bigotry but did lead The Monkees (Mickey Dolenz) to write ‘Alternate Title’ which was originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after the name used by Alf Garnett in the show for his Liverpool born son in law.

I’d advise everyone to get out and vote to Make America Sensible Again but it’s not going to happen. This, of course, is coming from someone in a country being run by a group of expletive deleted.

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A one hour musical special that aired on April 28, 1968 on NBC. Guest stars included: Ray Charles and The Raylettes, Burt Bacharach, Simon and Garfunkel and Mama Cass Elliott. Quite interesting use of the kaleidoscope meaning with appropriate for the time psychedelic backgrounds and some excellent music.

Never saw this and I was a big andy fan. Watched his tv show every week. ah, the cookie eating bear and mr echo.

This might be up to watch,,,, I'm going back to check.

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Andy is just a bit milquetoast for me. But you like what you like.

If he had covered Waiting for the Man by VU, that would have scored him some points from me.

"It's the most wonderful rush of the year
my skin it is itching
my eyes they are twitching
and now I'm strung ouuuuut"

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I replied to our old friend FourWinds comment on the Dave's 43 thread, but this is worth a repost here. Shoutout to our dear friend FourWinds

This one's for you HendrixFreak

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Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a David Gans radio broadcast with guest host Dick Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

Check it out. An interesting and pertinent chunk of history.
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In other news:
Americans told not to lick psychedelic toads

Hikers in the US have been warned to “refrain from licking” psychedelic toads. Officials said the Sonoran Desert Toad secretes a potent toxin that can make people sick if they touch the frog or get the poison in their mouths. The substance is sometimes crystalised and smoked as a psychedelic substance, said the New York Times. However, writing on Facebook, the National Park service described the potential risks as “toad-ally terrifying”.

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Andy Williams and guns? Can't think how we got here but it did remind me of Andy's love Claudine and a rhyme from a curious incident. "Along came a Spider and sat down beside her, and she blew the poor !@#$er away." Determined to be an accident under suspicious circumstances as I recall. Sabitch was a hell of a skier. Now back to Eugene for a second go.
Cheers
Oh, and there's a Philo Stomp in today's 30 Days 'o Dead.

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Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town

Profound words on The Doors title track to their second album. My company just laid off 25% of IT. My team is now down to two, same headcount when I joined the company almost 10 years ago and we've grown 500% since then from an infrastructure perspective. I thought I was done, but I architected the latest and most complex solutions we have, so might have bought some time.

Unbelievable VGuy - you have such a gregarious personality and being towering in height, not sure what was his major malfunction. Glad you didn't go Gunny Sgt Hartman on the loser: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"

Loving DaP44 - reminiscent of the great shows I got to see from '87 onward...

Still working my way thru the MSG box - Glad they have this era represented but kind of a tough slog for me. Not having Bobby's guitar in the mix was a bit of a shock for the one of the shows on the yearly major release. I'm sure I will enjoy the nuances of Jerry's guitar with more listens.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle website. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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I saw Elizabeth Cotton play at the Sweetwater, also saw Frank Wakefield and David Nelson play there. We would always stop at Village Music before we went to the Sweetwater. Great little place to see music.

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Sorry for the multiple posts. Problems with Captcha and website operation.

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I saw David Nelson there at the new venue also just before the pandemic IIRC. Also Eric Thompson, a good local bluegrass picker.

Village Music was definitely an institution, lots of the famous used to stop in there.

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Great guitar player, I saw him and David Nelson play over at the orIginal Freight & Salvage a couple of times, I taped both shows. We would always go to Everett & Jones Bbq after seeing shows in Berkeley

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You provide a tantalizing glimpse at what could be.... the discovery of the missing first reel to my first show, 9-19-72, which may still await us in Bear's mystery reels. I have alerted the OSF to look for that 1st reel setlist and get that entire show archived. Naturally, at the time -- a newly minted 15 year old with only GD records for reference -- I couldn't have told you that it was a hot show, only that it went on so freakin' long ("What are these people ON? Ohhh....") But we know with the benefit of hindsight that late August to early November '72 that band was on a streak.

Lettuce prey!

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Road Trips and Dick's Picks.
Once a year CD sale.
DiPs 2, 11, 14 are back again too.
Cheers

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1stshow beat me to it, but man there's some tasty stuff and I went for it like a fish for the hook.

Jesse Ed Davis solo CD
Willie Nelson earliest solo demos
Art Blakey (just becuz)
Bob Wills & Texas Playboys (just becuz)
DP 34 (inexplicably missing from the collection, which has lots of hot Nov '77)

I had to resist ordering duplicates of Feb '68, April '69 etc because ... why???

On to speculation for the 2nd Dave's for 2023, which is to be revealed prior to subscription shutdown in ???

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Anyone else had the following situation? I ordered a Dave's Picks subscription on day one of announcement and had my credit card charged but on payment screen received a message "order could not be placed". No email confirmation or order number received despite payment taken.
Dead.net support not replying to my emails. Very poor service as I have been an annual subscriber from DaP1.

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I am going with 10/24/72 with bonus from 10/23 or two shows from July '74.

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2 full shows from Owsleys boxes from 1968, 1969 or 1970. One full show will be the bonus disc.

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1st guess- 7/27&28/73
2nd- 6/10/73 with po 6/9
3rd- 5/26/73
Last 3, 4? Years, second pick has been 73 or 74. Last year was 74, so…?

WOTF bonus: 9/15 or 17/73. If you count WRS all as one song these are the only 2 shows with 6 songs off the album and their good shows!

Box: summer 73

I suggest placing another order using a different browser, and even a different credit card.

Then tell the first credit card company to cancel payment because the retailer does not have a record or your purchase.

Also, you don’t need to create an account to place an order, you can check out as guest.
Worked for me.

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