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  • topchinacat
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    I managed to get to all the Ventura shows, being only a couple hours north of LA .... always a fun time on the beach ... great setting, good music... even managed a couple of decent photos of Uncle Jerry & the Boys and Bill Graham (backstage). But by far and away, the 7/13/84 (Dark Star returns!) show is one of the stand out moments of all the 50+ shows I saw in the early/mid 80's. When Phil comes out to the mic after the show and says ".... something special, one time only" (not an exact quote), the place went ape-shot! AND it was a tight, at pace, driving 15 minutes or so that no one wanted to end. Friday 13th at the Greek... how could there ever be a better Dead experience!!!

  • proudfoot
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    Bound to cover just a little more ground

    4 20 69

    Wow. Interesting twist on the setlist.

  • billy the kiddd
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    Crazy Fingers returns. Ventura, fun times!

  • proudfoot
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    clarification

    7/18/82 happened before we met
    7/13/84 is in keeping with the GD theme

    Meeting her and then the birthing as a bundle of family related stuff

    I mean...7/18/82 and 7/13/84 were MINDBLOWING and LIFE CHANGING.

    I figured I would meet the right young maiden at some point.

    I'll be quiet now.

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  • Gratefulhan
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    Chop ups should be complete but fragments are neat…

    I'm definitely a complete show kind of head like many of you. And I think there are staples we could all agree upon that should be released in their entirety: Fillmore East February 1970, Fillmore East April 1971, and Winterland October 1974 are easy examples to come up with. Now with the Dicks Picks series, Mr. Latvala from what I have read was a little particular about shows. It's somewhat not surprising but reading through the often shared “Grateful Dead Miscellany” , Dick goes into his thoughts on many shows. This includes what he thinks may be released in the future. Some of his commentary does talk about shows that won't be necessarily released in their entirety based upon what he felt was the quality of the music (mostly) and available rels at that time. Here is a quote from him from that site about the 11/30/73, 12/1/73, 12/2/73 shows:

    “As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these 3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!”

    That gives a little insight into maybe why some shows, at least when Dick was in charge, only got released in part or in fragments. I do think it is important to note that Dave L still puts out shows that Dick L held in high regard too.

    For the current times, I think we have a much fuller vault to work with the returned Betty Reels. We have definitely seen the fruits of that return in the form of many shows being released in their entirety. However, I guess there are still some shows that are incomplete or, as the old Dick’s Picks caveat used to read, where the sound was affected by “the ravages of time”. For the 2023 DaP bonus disc, the situation is as per the email:

    “There are two shows in September 1972 for which there are not complete recordings, either because of missing reels, or because of technical issues. The 2023 subscribers' Bonus Disc features the best material that sounded great from these two shows”

    It is hard to know exactly what is and is not affected by technical issues. Then of course what material was not affected but left off the bonus disc. Knowing how great Dave L has treated us , he often finds a way to get this missing material out if he can. Maybe it will be filler on another release or it will come out in a future 30 Days of Dead (if it hasn't already).

    With all of that, I often wonder if we would ever get complete releases of those shows that were chopped-up from many years ago. That is assuming that everything is contained in the vault and of releasable sound quality. I would certainly welcome it but at the same time if we're just stuck with chopped-up shows or fragments I think I can be OK with that. For me, I know looking towards the future, I'm really hoping that the vault gets mined for the other high profile shows that haven't been given the official release. I'm not knowledgeable enough to speak on the time it takes to put all these together other than I know we get quarterly releases of the DaP series, often an anniversary edition re-release, an LP for record store day, and one big box set per year. So, I guess the question begs, is there enough time and resources for Dave L and the crew to return to some of these old shows and put them out in their entirety without sacrificing the regular schedule of releases?

  • 1stshow70878
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    Sprogs

    A term for babies, 1940s military slang term.
    From obsolete mediaeval or pre-mediaeval English word "sprag",
    for a "lively young man". I like to keep up with Daverock and also with the continentals. Makes me feel smarter to speak the King's english.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    Does your wife know she's 3rd on the list??
    I just had to chuckle, and yes, my wife knows she barely even MAKES the list!! Merry Christmas to All, and a Happy Hanukkah as well.

  • Chuck
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    Hendrixfreak yes you are right about Bobby saying is there a doctor in the house at Englishtown. At Watkins Glen there was a young girl to our left about 25 feet and was ready to pop. It was raining and we saw her friends helping her to get up and leave...later we heard she gave birth. not sure if it was on the ground or in an Ambulance. and Savoy Brown I remember seeing them at the Filmore East right before Christmas with I think Poco, If I rememer Paul Cotton just replaced Jim Messina in Poco. At Penn State Poco was a big hit in all the Dorms with their music blasting out the windows. All these memories are making me feel old but Happy

  • daverock
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    No sprogs born at Watkins Glen ?

    You would have thought there would have been, in a crowd that size in 1973.

    Chalk me up for fragments too. You only have to look at the ones that have already come out - especially the incomplete shows in Dicks Picks and Road Trips - to see how well they can work.

  • hendrixfreak
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    No worries

    Here's a confession: I can't keep this forum straight! I've got 1st show and proudfoot mixed up and, hey, where did I put that pipe?

    Kim Simmonds, yeah! Flying V, A Hard Way to Go, A Step Further -- man, got into Savoy Brown in about 1970 and a couple years ago I bought a couple of their early albums on 2 LPs on one CD production. Good to have just plain hard rockin'!

    Hey Chuck, didn't Weir announce from the stage that they needed to get her out of the crowd and "is there a doctor in the house?" At the Glen I didn't hear anything about babies appearing, but I do recall the sky diver, who made a long descent, then I believe triggered a flare that burned him to death as he descended just outside the bounds of the crowd. Horrible! But 50 years on, is there a joke in there somewhere? I guess he was burning to see the Dead... I mean, that guy was smokin'....(sorry!!)

    Well, April 2023 should be pretty tasty: spring (of sorts here) and 4-5 hrs of fall '72 GD and the upside is, some tracks from my first show. Make that glass half-full, now that I'm done with the one-man pity party!

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Just picked up:
Oscar Peterson
Louis Armstrong
Puss n Boots
Joss Stone sp?
Lindsey Sterlings latest

Maybe the Monkeys wouldn’t be so bad lol

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Your collection probably needs the Fleetwood Mac ‘Worlwide Live’ unofficial Box.
10 CD’s for $40.
8 Fleetwood Mac CD’s ranging from 1968 at the Carousel to 1990, along with a Stevie solo and a Lindsey solo.
Sounds pretty good. The only show that I already had was the 75 show. FM/pre-FM sources.
I figured that for $4/CD I should check it out.

Saturday Day Tripper says Vguy…..

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...is playing (the whole show) on Sirius today.

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....yup. Caught that nitecat. Sounds really good.
It's only a matter of time before the Ark happens.
Coming around.
"And when the day it ended"
Sitting in my driveway.

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Who's There

Ark

Ark Who

Ark Box

And so it is written

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Yes, not if but when will these gems get released. I hope when it happens David Duryeau writes the liner notes. As cool a cat as ever posted here once upon a time. He certainly loved his primal GD.

Speaking of 69.. Banana box? Holy Cow 43 was good, 44 is up on deck. We live in the valley of riches, but of all the releases the last few years the 69 was the big surprise. I'll take a double dose of that any day.

As you were.. one more Saturday Night.

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I never really got into punk but I quite liked PiL. RIP Keith Levene.

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New Bill Frisell will be on the doorstep shortly. I’m warming up the wireless/hi-fi already, in anticipation.

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....yup.
Went to the store again today.
Guess what?
Everyone was chill. The cashier was tall and thin like me. She acknowledged my Dolphins cap.
She had cool star 🌟 tats on her wrist.
One week at a time dear.
Current listening. 9.29.99. Phish. Pyramid.
Freeeeee

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I popped in the giants stadium 7/12, and it gets me every time. The whole first set like HIAB, loser, and TOS. the band was firing on all cylinders, especially Jerry and Brent with that tinkling keyboard is so sweet. Being there for most of the shows makes me bias. Just had to mention it. Back to dap 44. Great show.

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If I could pick only one Grateful Dead show to see out of all the shows they played, it would be one of the acoustic/ electric shows from 1970.

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guess who is testing positive for Covid 19?

MMMMEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

after all this time and 16 boosters.

being a teacher and being around kids = heapin' helpings of germ soup.

Fehk!

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Another one. Yikes! It's everywhere now.
And not a mask in sight.
Take it easy PF.
My local friend took a week. His wife like 10 days.
And they were just ready to get their bi-valent (Omicron+Corona).
I went and found the bi-valent (still scarce here) right after that.
Full effect around third week after booster, so about now for me.
But we are still doing masks in crowded stores since we have some COPD.
Best wishes and cheers

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Last thursday we went to zoo lights
Psychedelic wonderland

Come home
"THE DOG ATE MY CHOCOLATE!"
chocolate is toxic to dogs
Went to pet emergency hospital
Induced vomiting and overnight stay
16 hundred fookin dahlurz

Sigh

Dog is fine

Thank you 1st show

And

I see on rollingstone site they are selling GD underwear.

Rufkm

Incontinence pads maybe. But underwear?

Reminds me of the Great GD Gardening Apron Rant

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Ah man, haven't been to Zoo Lightssince the kids were little, maybe this is the year. Sorry the rest of the night wasn't as good.
Congrats to the state of MD, welcome to the 21st century

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Get well soon Proudfoot

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Holy shite PF - Covid, and then the dog ate chocolate! Get better - both of you - sending positive vibes your way.
PS - The Kraken are still The Krapen hockey team, but me like those new “third” jerseys!

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Be well soon PF!

And!…was the chocolate an edible, or just regular?

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....I have a stash of mushroom laced chocolates. Not snacks for Scooby.
Get better. I've dodged covid as far as I know, and I interact with multiple people a day.

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I purchased Dave's Picks 44, and it arrived as scheduled. The outer mailing box was punctured, and when I opened it, little pieces of plastic starting falling out. The CD case was broken. When I opened that, I discovered that CD3 was chipped and cracked. Today I listened to CD1 and discovered that it was defective. Tennessee Jed > Promised Land does not play. Anyone else have this problem? I have not listened to CD2 yet. I contacted customer service, and I learned that there were no replacement CDs available. Defective merchandise can be returned for a full refund. I am hoping that someone would be willing to email me digital copies of those songs that I am missing so that I can at least have the complete show. As I said, songs 1-7 on CD1 are fine. Songs 8>9 are defective. I haven't tried playing CD2, and CD3 is no good at all. Can somebody please help me out? Thank you!

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Scarlet Fire

One of the top three

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Send a PM to MaryE.

In case you haven't sent a PM before: To send a PM, if you are logged in, on the upper right of the screen are your account options, cleck here, select messages and you can probably figure out how to send a PM from here. either that or fumble through customer service. They can probably pull something better than a refund off..??

Edit: Ooops.... Proudfoot beat me to this by a couple hours. I didn't see his response before I replied. Apparently, he and his dog have been eating mushroom chocolates all day and have developed super human powers as evident by their lightening fast and accurate response.

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My dog Sarge, the brindle bull Mastiff had cancer, and was put down tonight. 14 years old. He was a loyal companion. "He's gone."

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Condolences Carlo13.

I'm pretty certain that Sarge was very happy to have had you around with him for 14 special years. You took good care of him and now he has an opportunity to rest. You provided space in this world for him and that is a special love that was returned.

Stay strong and stay positive.

Carlo - Sorry to hear you had to put to sleep your beloved dog companion Sarge. Such a tough loss.

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That a new '69 Miller board remaster is making the rounds in all of the usual places...

Grateful Dead - May 11, 1969
Aztec Bowl (SDSU) - San Diego, CA

All Transfers and Mastering by Charlie Miller
November 14, 2022

Notes:
-- This show often circulates as 5/29/69 Santa Barbara
-- Mike Carabello and Chepito Areas on percussion for Alligator > Lovelight
-- Possiobly Gregg Rolie on vocals during Lovelight
-- Thanks to Matthew Zavislak for the DAT
-- Thanks to Mike Babyak for his input on the pitch correction

Setlist:
01 - Morning Dew
02 - That's It For The Other One>
03 - Good Morning Little Schoolgirl
04 - Me And My Uncle
05 - Alligator >
06 - Turn On Your Lovelight

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Sorry to hear about your loss Carlo, losing a pet is very sad.

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Putting down a faithful companion may be the hardest thing you'll ever do in this life. This from an animal person who put down his 20-yr-old cat earlier this year. The day-to-day intimate and often subconscious connection is nearly unbreakable. And yet... mercy requires courage and acceptance. This will be hard in the days ahead. I survived by focusing on the blessing and cosmic luck of the years together and the realization, which does not come easy, that "there's nothing you can hold for very long," thanks Robert Hunter.

You did good for fourteen years and your departed buddy would wish you peace. As do we.

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et al. Sorry for the loss Carlo.
Cheers to Sarge

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Dogs are amazing. Mine is a family member, fully. Condolences.

May this oft-quoted line by Will Rogers help:

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”

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RIP Sarge. Sorry for your loss Carlo.

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Condolences Carlo. So sorry Sarge's glorious 14 year run with you had to end. How lucky you both have been! As hard as it is to put down our four-legged companions when the time comes, they count on us to do the right thing to the very end. My 12 year old brindle Mastiff mix Annie is recovering from knee surgery, and I know her day will come sooner than later. I'll shed tears, but know she's counting on me. It's sad that dogs' and cats' lives are so much shorter than ours, but they sure do pack a lot into their time with us. Onward

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sorry for your loss man, it's tough to lose a bosom buddy, you had a good run, revel in the memories. Time will heal all wounds.

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....always happy to see you, whether you've been gone for ten minutes or days.
There's a pic of my two.
Cats are ok too. They have more of an attitude imo.

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I have had pets (dogs & cats) since 1965. It occurred to me years ago, that when I sign up to take a new animal (I call them my children, as I have no human children), we are implicitly signing up for an unknown time period of joy, and also, some days of grief & sadness. To me, this is still a good deal, but it makes the heartbreak no less painful or intense. I don't ever want to live without the unconditional love of a cat or dog, so I go in knowing the deal. I believe my life is always better with the love of a quadruped.

So, to Carlo, VGUY and everyone else who has lost a "child" recently, you have my total empathy and sympathy.
Carlo, as long as you remember Sarge, he's never really totally gone.
My 2 are 13 (redhead) and 7 (tuxedo) so 1 may go soon or not, but one piece of advice that was given to me was: "always allow 6 months to grieve before getting a new one".
By the way, I have not always taken this advice, but it does make sense to me.

"Life Is Hard"-M. Scott Peck
"But so, so worth it"-Mark B. Smith

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Very sorry to hear about your loss. Dogs are arguably one of the greatest gifts given to humankind. Their loyalty and love is unwavering. Hang in there.

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