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  • Vguy72
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    Phish fans not sitting in their assigned seats?....

    ....I took that personally Mr. Ones.
    I prefer having a seat these days, but I'm flexible. Just bought Widespread Panic tix for here in March. Options for floor with no seats or loft with seats. I picked seats this go around.

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    The new kids in town at our house. Only shot of them together at the moment. They move too fast. Need to work on a beauty shot like Mr. Ones has. The ginger boy is Tigger (shelter name) and we're thinking of going with Hobbs or Otto. The tuxedo boy is Pepe (Le Pew? shelter name) and Checkers or Big Boy Pete are in the running. Feel free to vote on those choices. Both strays from the shelter in Ridgway and Tigger was one of those two days from death cases that made it. Tough row to hoe but it's all good now. So far they like the Dead more than classical.
    Cheers

  • Mr. Ones
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    The Older They Get...

    ...The Harder It Is To Stand Up!!

    I almost hate to admit this, but these days, if I can sit and listen, I quite prefer that now. I realize that I cannot dance sitting down, but at my tender, advanced age, sitting and listening is good!!
    Occasionally, I'll get front row seats of this section or that, and really look forward to being able to SIT!! and don't you know usually, there will be rude, entitled fans up dancing, and blocking my view. Phish fans are notorious for going to areas that they have not purchased tickets for and feeling like they own the place.
    I know, I know, "Hey kids, get off my lawn". I guess I AM that guy now. Sad.

    Last 5:

    Chicago-Live at Carnegie Hall-Disc 4 of 4-disc set from early '07
    Jeff Buckley-Live A L'Olympia
    Jeff Buckley-Mystery White Boy
    Peter Gabriel Live '87, first of 2-Bonus Discs from So re-issue
    Monkees-Disc 4 of new Headquarters 4-cd box

  • Crow Told Me
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    Greetings from the Jam Band Ghetto

    Kind of surprising, but not really, to see that the TTB's outstanding "I am the Moon" has been completely ignored by the Grammys and critics' year-end best of lists. It seems clear that once you get pegged as a "jam band" the recording industry and critics decide that there's no point in taking your music seriously, no matter how many people flock to your shows or how good your recorded output actually is. It happened to the GOGD, it happened to Phish, and to pretty much everybody who's gotten pegged as part of the jam band scene. Now it's happening to TTB, and it'll happen to Goose or whoever else comes along.

    Have to say: I've never understood this. Bands that can actually play their instruments in a live setting, and who can even improvise on them, and develop devoted audiences on that basis, they don't count somehow. Probably because their music doesn't lend itself to radio or tik tok, and doesn't have much to do with the trends that wannabe hipsters pride themselves in being up on. Meanwhile, you get "bands" that are basically one guy and his girlfriend with a laptop in mommy's basement, who would get eaten alive if they tried to play in front of more than a couple dozen people, and that's considered a cutting edge rock band these days.

    I guess it doesn't matter anyway. The jam band world is its own ecosystem, sustained by us die hards who like to stand up at concerts (maybe even dance) and who want to hear bands that can actually play for a couple hours without endlessly repeating the same three licks and the only groove they know.

    OK, end of rant. Last five!

    Charles Mingus: East Coasting
    The Meters: Look a Py Py
    ABB: The Cream of the Crop 2003
    GOGD: The Warfield October 1980
    Sturgill Simpson: Cuttin Grass

  • daverock
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    How about lying down?

    If I remember rightly, a lot people used to lie on the floor waiting for Hawkwind to come on. And then struggle to their feet when the band came on. Maybe it was just me.
    I saw Pink Floyd in a huge air hangar on the Animals tour in 1977. After hours of sitting on the floor, the band came on, and one bloke in front of me stood up. The guy next to me shouted at him to sit down, and then turned to me and said, "The Floyd deserve to be listened to." It was partly this attitude that led to punk.
    Mind you, that was the opposite end of the spectrum . Short haired herberts jumping about, barging into you. You've heard of the blues - that was the black and blues.

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    Sitting down = NG

    Sixtus, a good 5-6 years back, Bonnie Raitt's show at Red Rocks -- for the first time -- featured reserve seats down front. With most acts in the past, including hers, the first 20 rows was Gen Admission -- and the rabid fans (why are you looking at me?) would line up at 8-9am on the east stairs for the dash into the front rows as doors opened at ~6pm. Long haul but that's the cost of the first few rows at the Rocks. This always guaranteed that the core audience really wanted that artist, that show and we (yes, '78 til, say, 3-4 years ago) made sure every artist we saw (GD, ABB, Dylan, Raitt, etc) knew we were in support.

    Fast forward to the first year that Bonnie made reserved seats out of the first 20 rows. We assumed it was a sop to an aging fan base. (I manned the stairs from my earliest 20s to my latest 50s before slacking off.) But with reserved seats, a lot of newcomers were really enamored of their oh-so-tiny territory and everyone remained seated. Bonnie delivered but was clearly mystified by the lack of froth coming from the audience. Oh well, everyone finally decided that it was okay to get up and boogey during the encore and Bonnie stayed for a few more tunes. But I was appalled at the lack of audience excitement and involvement in giving the performer something to work with or off of. Same thing once with a Lyle Lovett show -- apparently, it was date night. Lyle's Large (swing) Band hits the stage hot and I jump up and start dancing (in my peculiar way). Some woman behind me yells "Sit Down!" and I look around and I swear I am the only person out of 10,000 on my feet. Oh boy. Later, when it rained, it was "okay" to stand up...

    If it's a theater show, I've sometimes sat down. But outdoor arena ala Red Rocks?! Only for the occasional break from the boogeyinig. Thankfully, that was a one-off and Bonnie killed it this past summer. But that sitting down jive can sure kill the vibe.

  • Sixtus_
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    Dennis, VGuy: I too have on many an occasion pondered how the world might exist if we were thrown backward technologically speaking; this discussion and Dennis' reference invokes the ever-awesome Twilight Zone post-apocalyptic episode with the guy who loves to read and gets locked in the vault when the world ends and finds he has all of the books in the world to read but then breaks his glasses.

    Same reason I still send my bills through the snail mail, people. That one has just stuck with me though more as a habit than really thinking the world will end; but these are heady times

    Recovering from COVID, tested positive on Monday but feel myself coming out of the swamp. The well of gravity was inescapable for the first 24 hours, then my antibodies kicked into overdrive - it was noticeable. Second time in a year (Jan'22, first timer) despite vax & boost, but hey, now I am super-vaxxed, amirite?

    Daverock - that's really cool you're falling into a Fleetwood Mac-hole. they are a solid pillar in the halls of music. Saw them about 8 or 9 years ago, Iggy got us tickets and while I loved the music at the show, I was astounded how everyone just sat in their seats. I haven't been to a rock show in a looooong time (if ever?) that no one was up and moving. It felt weird. But then again the demographic did sway upward, so I get it on that level. It was still weird. But the music was phenomenal as was the production.

    Be Well People.
    Sixtus

  • daverock
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    Cheers, folks

    Thanks to all those who recommended "Then Play On" by Fleetwood Mac. ( and apologies to those who are sick of hearing about it). An incredible album - I can't believe I had never heard of it, or seen it recommended anywhere else in all these years. The cover reminds me of those on the early 70's Quicksilver Messenger Service albums a bit. And the first track reminds me of QSM of that period, too - slightly Latin in feel. That track is okay, but the album really picks up after that . Great guitar sound, songs, rhythm. Maybe I should have got one of the boxes featuring it...although I am guessing there is nothing else in their catalogue quite like this one.

    Last Dead, to keep it sweet, the second show in Dicks Picks 33. 10/10/76. Also great -I'm tempted to get the vinyl now.

  • Vguy72
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    Attention Proudfoot....

    ....I know you're a Motorhead fan. But if you are also a Vans footwear fan, check out the Vans/Motorhead collaboration. Pretty cool Christmas idea from Mrs Proudfoot?

  • Oroborous
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    What the hey?
    (Insert sound of crickets)
    Must be shoveling?

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Thanks!

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Another trusty companion off to great doggie park beyond.
So sorry for your loss Carlo.
Whenever I start missing my last dog, I put on David Bromebergs version of Mr Bojangles “after 20 years he still grieves”
Hang in there and be grateful for all the good times y’all had and all the memories you’ll always have!

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Thank you! I have spoken with a couple of different people at customer service. ... no luck there. CD replacements are not available. I've decided to return it and am waiting for instructions on how to do so. ... disappointed though, b/c it's a show that I like and was looking for a good copy. Current options are (1) return it for a full refund, or (2) keep the damaged item at 25% off the price. Adding a third option might be an acceptable solution ... (3) keep the damaged item at a reduced price and receive digital downloads for the missing tracks. The reduced price could even be determined by the amount of damage. I have a damaged digipak and two damaged CDs (so far). As I said, I haven't listened to CD2 yet. Oh, well!

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Please send me a PM with the details. I can't promise a thing but I'll see what I can find out and get the Doc on the case.
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I happened upon a single disc on my collection of 11 15 72

A few tunes then a swell PITB that cuts partway through. ouch.

So listening to full show on archive. Nice.

And it's got a Cumberland.

Fall 72

Yummy

....so I heard this snippet of a song the other day on Instagram or something. I thought, "that's pretty catchy".
Turns out it was Swift's Anti-Hero song.
Pretty damn good and I love the video.
One can indeed be ones worst enemy.
I've never really listened to her before to be honest. Will be checking some more of her out.

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Really sorry to learn about Sarge, Carlo.
May he enjoy the forever leashless runs through the lush meadow in the sky.

Be Well,
Sixtus

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Dave's Picks 44 safely arrived at my house in the Netherlands today, fortunately without attracting the attention of the customs on the way. 👍🏻

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Sorry for your loss! RIP Sarge.

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Go to the utoobs, search for Weyes Blood Andromeda; amazing songwriter/performer, with very catchy and moody tunes. Check it out!

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You're intrigued by Taylor Swift and looking forward to "checking some more of her out."

Me too, bro. ALL of her.... as long as there's no music involved!

And yeah, to quote Dylan: "If I had wings, and I could fly, I know where I would go..." I'd go right straight to wherever my collie-huskie, Genaro, went, and hope to hang with my 20-year-old tuxedo cat, Zoe, too.

Man oh man, if only............

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Like Don Genaro (Genaro Flores) in Castaneda's works?
Maybe we can visit Ixtlan closer to our true state of being.
But a man of knowledge is a changed being and might not be able to go back home again.
I have a Zooey dog I can only visit in dreams as well. And my wife had a tuxedo cat. Fun coincidences.
Cheers
Dead on tap today: Dick's 25, May 10-11, 1978

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Hey, Folks, I never received Dave's 44, and I'm wondering if I've exhausted all options for relief! Apparently USPS forwarded it -- don't know where or why, though I've filed a missing mail report. But I suspect it was because the address on the shipping notice was incomplete (it was correct on the order). So I've emailed the customer service address on my order, and I've also emailed drrhino AT rhino.com. Have not heard from either. I know that people here have had good luck with Dr. Rhino. Am I using the right contact? Other suggestions for getting this show delivered? Thank you! Not fading away!

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campaign, scroll down a few entries, find Marye and send her a PM. She has near magical powers to facilitate attention to most of these matters, sort of our latter day fairy godmother to use an antiquated term. Carlo, my sympathies on your loss. Loved the animals around me from a very early age, took care of other peoples pets long term if asked. No longer are domesticated types in my life and miss that, though being close to wilderness, frequent direct experience with wildlife. There is a particularly close bond with dogs, since we have been breeding them for thousands of years to work with us. Freaking chipmunks munch all the pea sprout, have to chase deer and bear off the lawn, please don't eat the flowers. OK, love some more than others, there is nothing like a beloved unconditional companion like that

Thanks, DMCVT. I sent Marye a PM. Fingers crossed. Ears a-awaitin' for this show! (And Marye, if you're reading this, too, thanks for any advice!)

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VGuy - Like you, I knew none of Taylor Swift’s music, just knew she was pretty easy on the eyes, figured she is just another of the singers the ladies love. The wife and I were watching SNL and she was the musical guest, and she did this really long song, with some video accompaniment. My wife asked after what did I think (she loved it), and I told her truthfully, not too bad. I still have never heard another song by her, but I did hear she busted TicketBastard with demand, so props to her. That alone made me a “Swifty”!!

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Is now looking at Ticketmaster for anti-trust monopoly issues.
Ms. Swift brought that home to them when their kids were were crying their eyes out when the site crashed.
Cheers

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Thanks everyone for the kind words for Sarge, and I. Lots of dogs, and cats over the past year or so have left us deadheads. I believe Sarge, and all the other pets on this site are treated with sadness for the whole day like Garcia was mourned, but the next day would be a happy celebration for all the Jerrys', sarges' and all the other dogs and cats. They all would have wanted it that way, for us humans. Thanks again, guys.

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That dog (1978-1990) was freakin' smart. Large vocabulary and a provocateur for good times. He was vocal and brave and funny. And he was born in my backyard weeks before the GD's first shows at Red Rocks in July '78. He was still tiny when we spent those post-heavy-trip days getting ourselves put back together. One of the keys to his "hero dog" status is that I was 20 when he was born and 32 when he passed prematurely -- the best years of our lives, other than right freakin' NOW.

I'd get another dog, but it's only been 32 years since he passed, so still way too soon.

Now that my beloved cat is gone, and Dad too, I'm taking the opportunity to not be a caretaker/giant Mommy/Daddy for a while. I think that'll last a few years. Then I might take on one more round of cat & dog, if I feel I can weather the loss -- or that they could, if I cacked off.

And yet I still think I hear small footsteps and damn if it ain't quiet and a bit lonely here these days. But with a little help from my friends -- a few guitars and uncountable CD collection -- I believe I'll make it. Glass half full!

Grateful for the devoted company of animals, but sometimes it just plain hurts.

Didn’t Congress look into that years ago and do nothing?
The whole reseller thing is a scam.

Taylor needs to learn to play multiple nights in each city. The stage is already set up to be used a second and even third night. She needs to make sure that the Swifty’s get their fix.
Recall that Taylor and Mayer dated prior to Mayer being in D&C. Maybe after D&C they can get back together and make a band.

Condolences to all the pet owners. Seems that a lot have passed this year.
Dogs are great, I don’t really like cats. Chipmunks, squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs, etc suck. Always tearing up my garden.

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none of the tracking or "order status" functions do anything for me.. i have no idea whether this order exist in any way ..
hard to know what to say ... contacted the store they said they resubmitted my order... by making and entirely new order looks like... and they said i would get an email when it ships .. its been another week and no info .. and still nothing seems to work .. including logging in to this site.. had to create yet another password sequence.. I also ordered the subscription for next year... cant be sure any of it will work then either.. not really sure if i should bother trying anything else.. i dont really understand how this can happen .. computers as supposed to make all of this easier.. but doesnt seem to .. everything seems to get lost.. also seems like i cant even reply to anybody else comments.. only post new ones..

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Don't you know, IceCream, that she and JM are "never ever ever ever ever ever ever getting back together!"?

Look that up in your Funk N Wagnalls nyuk nyuk

PS Cats are awesome. Give em a chance

"That cat's something I can't explain"

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Stargazing bare eyed after sunset.
Low orbit satellite winked out on us.
Catching setting sun.
Slingshot to the moon. Far out man
Cheers

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"Lucifer sam, Siam cat. Always sitting bye your side, always by your side.......That cat's something I can't explain."

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#1892 has just been pushed through my door by the Royal Mail.

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So sorry to hear of Sarge's passing...we are allowed what seems like a short sliver of time (with all the time in the world) to have these glorious creatures be with us and leave their imprint on our soul....

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To us and Mr. Jinks & Violet...this week marks the 13th Anniversary of them agreeing to look after us....

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A new chapter in Dylan’s bootleg series coming in January:
Fragments – Time Out of Mind Sessions (1996-1997): The Bootleg Series Vol.17

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just release all the 1966 GD in the vault. just throw it all into a box and release it.

30 Days' inclusion of Mindbender has me jonesin' big time for that stuff.

MAWR MAWR MAWR!!!

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Just read an interesting snippet about a short acoustic set in the afternoon of 11/17/78 (44 years ago folks!) at Loyola College before a full electric set at the Uptown Theater in Chicago. Sounds interesting. It featured just Bobby, Jerry, Phil and Mickey. A precursor of the acoustic sets two years later I guess.

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I am in the same boat. Still no DaP44 for me. Seems to be more of an issue with this release than in the past.

Vguy - I have posted multiple times that DaP5 is the best release of the entire run. Just outstanding stuff. DaP43 is right up there though.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Xmas decorations should not be displayed or music played until the Friday after turkey day. Just my own personal opinion.

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Also one of my favorite Dave's Picks.. this and 43, top shelf GD.

Pete Rose: raw deal.

ban from baseball for life upheld. sqreuw that. One of the greatest players ever.

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For those of you who like vinyl I notice that there is a 10LP version of the deluxe set which appears to be only available from bobdylandotcom
The Rolling Stones are cashing in again releasing a limited edition vinyl box of 16 mono albums.

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I think we might have a DaP 3 issue. Does anyone else remember that? Hundreds (thousands) of copies just disappeared off the face of the earth. An unsolved mystery to this day, postman really liked disc golf maybe. I eventually did get a copy, but it wasn't numbered, just says "Promo copy" which is fine, but weak should you ever be fool enough to sell your copy I suppose.

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PT Barnum , that acoustic set from 1978 has been released, I believe it is on the extended Version of .
Reckoning. The Dead do a killer version of Tom Dooley on there. I believe this to be the case, hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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#1. Jimmy Reed the Vee Jay Years box set #2. Charlie Musslewhite, Takin My Time Arhoolie Records #3 Muddy Waters, Best of Muddy Waters Chess Records, #4Little Walter, Hate To See You Go, Chess Records, #5 Best of Little Walter, Chess Records

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I like the Road Trips from 11/21 even more than Dave's 5. And that Road Trips came with choice filler from 11/20 and a bonus disc from 12/6. Yessiree Bob.

People diss the series, but it had some killers. (Although they were terribly packaged.)

The list below is taken from Wikipedia, apologies for the poor formatting. This is the bonus material on the Rhino reissue. Two tracks from the 78 show

No. Title Writer(s) Recording date and venue Length
1. "To Lay Me Down" (Studio Rehearsal)
Garcia Hunter
09/14/80 Club Front 9:12
2. "Iko Iko" James "Sugar Boy" Crawford, Barbara Anne Hawkins, Rosa Lee Hawkins, Joan Johnson 10/07/80 Warfield Theatre 4:23
3. "Heaven Help the Fool" (instrumental version)
Weir Barlow
10/25/80 Radio City Music Hall 6:18
4. "El Paso" Marty Robbins 10/13/80 Warfield Theatre 4:41
5. "Sage & Spirit" Weir 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 3:14
6. "Little Sadie" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:45
7. "It Must Have Been the Roses" (Alternate Live Version) Hunter 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:01
8. "Dark Hollow" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:30
9. "Jack-A-Roe" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:08
10. "Cassidy" (Alternate Live Version)
Weir Barlow
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:06
11. "China Doll" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:52
12. "Monkey and the Engineer" (Alternate Live Version) Fuller 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:37
13. "Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie" (Alternate Live Version) Cotten 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:13
14. "Ripple" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:37
15. "Tom Dooley" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:33
16. "Deep Elem Blues" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:42

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....that the general public never had a chance to buy them. Remaining sales are cancelled.
Ticketmaster had already sold more than 2 million of them in their stupid "pre-sale" scam and even they were snubbed. Resellers are already asking 20K or more. What a racket. One of the worst companies on the planet.

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Jimbo, your comment on DaP 5 got me to thinking - this is one of my favorite releases that I rarely listen to. I don't know why.

Lebowski99 - Road Trips '73 gets me sometimes with the buzzing in places - my problem for listening on headphones, but it is strong with the Force. I like how PITB Part 2 is practically a Dark Star segment (even part 3 could be the Space section). Set list is fantastic, although I think it was one Beer Barrel Polka from sheer perfection.

Agree on Pete Rose. Ban him from the commentator's booth so he can't put people off with stories about "cock-high fast balls", but put him the Hall. The dude never bet against the Reds, which I think is a hinging factor on how I feel about his exclusion. I'm 20 minutes outside of Philly, so I grew up watching him, Lefty, and Schmitty lead them to World Series victory, so yeah, I've seen him play a lot more than most. I was also at a game in '81 or '82 on the first base line, leaning over the fence trying to get a foul ball rolling in our direction. Some big a*** hole ran up behind me as we were next to the steps. I was only 9 or 10 and precariously teetering over the fence trying to get this ball, and he knocked me right onto the field on my face. Really rung my bell and scraped up my face on the rough surface (Vet stadium had astroturf on the field, but the warning track and surrounding area was this abrasive non-slip rubber composite). My mom had taken me to the game and couldn't reach me. Pete was already running over and helped me back over the fence. Asked if I was alright, said he saw the whole thing and had the catcher (who I think was still Bob Boone) throw him a ball to give me. Quite a week after that. But the way I see it he's paid his penance, especially when players like Bonds are stealing records from Hank Aaron and getting away with it.

Classy move from ol' PR

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