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January 5, 2023 - 4:58am

#181

daverock

Joined:
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live show and live recording

To me there is very little that connects seeing the band live to sitting at home listening to a live recording. To recap I saw them 5 times in 1981 and 1990. Loved all 5 shows, and they didn't play any songs that I didn't like. Some songs, that I hadn't been so keen on -Row Jimmy comes to mind - made much more sense in real time than it did on live recordings, or on Wake of the Flood. Drums and Space in 1990 blew my head off. It doesn't do that now, unfortunately. More interesting than mind blowing
On 10/30/90 I thought it was great when they broke into "Lovelight" - an actual song off "Live Dead". Sadly, I don't have this response now - in fact I have no interest whatsoever in hearing a Bob sung Lovelight now. Or a show from 1990, for that matter. But that doesn't mean for a second that it wasn't great at the time, being there.

Like everyone on here, I guess, there are some songs I have heard way to often, simply because they are played at shows which are brilliant overall. To skip them feels a bit like skipping a dull chapter in a novel - you want to, but it makes you feel a bit guilty if you do.
January 4, 2023 - 8:18pm

#182

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Is it true

Can one train a dog to poop on the floor (or sofa) each morning at exactly 3am?

I thought it was just me that got borderline PTSD when a show ended with Throwing Stones>NFA encore: US Blues. Miracle and Mexicali are on my list with many of the late era new songs mentioned.

Fortunately, there are so many great songs they either wrote or covered that really made it difficult to have a bad time at a Dead show. There was almost always something special. So time your bathroom breaks with skip tunes, stay away from the brown acid and let the good times roll.

Before shows some of the folks I would travel with would voice out what they thought we were going to hear mixed with dream setlists and the occasional song that they best not play that night or else (in the spirit of that Sideways quote, "I am NOT drinking any f***king Merlot"). We are a spirited bunch aren't we?
January 4, 2023 - 8:00pm

#183

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

Sorry for your mishap vguy

But I cant stop laughing.

Dog poop at 3 am

Isnt that a simon and garfunkel album title?

One search later:
Wednesday Morning 3 a.m. is the album title

Your mishap happened at...wednesday morning 3 a.m.

Too funny
January 4, 2023 - 7:12pm

#184

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Skippable songs

Lovelight. Not my favorite, but I’ll take it over the typical throwing stones>not fade to end the show if for nothing more than a change of pace. I never really got into the 30 minute versions either.

I can tolerate LLR. I’ll admit I have a soft spot because my inaugural show ended the first set with that right into a China>Rider. It grew on me over the years and I much prefer the latter day, more amped up versions. The early iterations sound like something Engelbert Humperdinck should be singing.

Definitely skippable are most, OK all, of Vince. Corrina, Victim, Easy Answers, Eternity. . . You see the pattern here.

I actually liked a lot of Brent songs when I saw them live. Unfortunately, I don’t think they’ve aged well. In fairness I probably haven’t either.

Passenger and Miracle are two older songs I never enjoyed.

As others have said, 12/30/1986 was an awesome show. Easily in the top five of all the shows I ever saw. Yes, they did have speakers outside for those who were not fortunate enough to get tickets. I thought it was a West Coast thing, but evidently not.
January 4, 2023 - 7:08pm

#185

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

I stepped in dog poop this morning at 3 AM....

....while I was getting a glass of water.
My bad. I forgot to let them out before I went to bed.
Rain is welcome in Cali, but what the southwest REALLY needs is snowpack on the western slopes of the Colorado rockies. For several winters in a row.
January 4, 2023 - 5:36pm

#186

JimInMD

Joined:
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Re: I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary

That and Charlie's description of responsible cat ownership cracked me up.

Thanks for that.

I, too, reserve the right to Slide Filter whenever necessary.

I generally do not have problem with the cat, and living in a 120 year old rodent-free Victorian, I have a few things to be thankful for. I keep the litter fresh and clean and they keep the mice (and river rats) away.

I'm really in the mood for 1/2/1970. What a great and often overlooked release.
January 4, 2023 - 4:42pm

#187

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

OOops

So weekend was Friday watching 12/30/86. Saturday was listening to MaryE's first show which I enjoyed immensely, and then later in the evening I watched 12/31/85 which was a national tv broadcast that started at midnight Oakland time and 2am here locally when it was on. I still really enjoy that video, wish they would release that whole show video, "I'd buy that for a dollar." Then Sunday the 1st, I watched "Ticket to New Years," which I also attended that 4 day run. Then Monday, I watched most of "The Closing of Winterland." So lots of Dead watching, and I enjoyed all of it. I also went thru a couple of shows from the MSG box, nice!

G
January 4, 2023 - 4:29pm

#188

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

BTK & Others

Happy New Year again!!!

BTK yall be safe now ya hear. This storm is a beast. I know rain is needed but not that much that quick. All in California and the desert areas prepare. It cost so little to have a manual can opener and $20 of canned goods to make it a few days.

Any way, have to go back and read last couple of days to catch up, but here are some quick answers.

DeadVikes thanks for the warm return. It is appreciated greatly. Unfortunately, my own health which is pretty good, is clashing with folks health which is not so good. Won't get into details, but I refer to them as my progenitors, as the love has always been cold as ice. Yet now I have to eat up my own time watching after them (although with a lot of others help also). I will try to post more often.

Question of why 12/30/86 and 7/16/88 are important to me. AJS had the correct answer, because of the guest drummers during drumz. But it was the whom, in who were the guests. On 12/30/86 it was Hamza El-Din (&Jose Lorenzo) and on 7/16/88 it was Baba Olatunji. Both such huge influences bringing depth to Billy and Mickey's poly-rythmic structures during drumz.

So roughly here was weekend schedule. On 12/30/22 I watched 12/30/86 on the me-tube. Very nice video (probably band created) and soundboard synced up. I had watched once previously but this time it really hit me. That one show, along with 12/27/86 represents one of those closures and new beginnings. Both of those shows have the more heroin induced jams of the late Keith/Donna era shows. I did not get into 12/28/86 as we were shut-out. Maybe someone here, like BTK, can remember when they put the speakers outside for any stragglers and the Shakedown Street crew, which was small. The 12/31/86 sounds like more of the changing sound coming in 1987. Intense upgrades in computers and technology, less in the slow methodical heroin induced jam (I love both). But this time watching 12/30/86 was way more meaningful, to really see and focus on Hamza, and tie him back to Egypt and the tar and talking drum. I do love from "From Egypt with Love" and Ollin Arageed, that rhythm is intense and right up my alley as a former want-to-be drummer. So for me to realize 25 years later that I saw both Hamza and Baba creates a warm feeling all over. I do recommend if you have not seen the 12/30/86 on me tube it is worth a watch, although I think in is labeled 12/31/86, which it is not.

BTK - thanks for the kind words of friendship and comradery, they do mean much.

I have several days worth of reading to catch up. I just wanted to make sure I remember to finish previous thoughts, as that is getting harder and harder to do.

Ok, will post and read to edit. I know I need an editor, kind of like young reporters today whose story telling/reporting is not good.

G
January 4, 2023 - 3:37pm

#189

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Top Reasons to Have a Cat

You don’t have enough urine or fecal material in your house and you want more.

You really dig randomly finding cat puke all over the house in a variety of unusual and unexpected places.

You don’t like to sleep through the night and want something to wake you up every couple of hours, but you don’t want to have a baby.

You feel like it would be cool to have a greater potential exposure to Toxoplasma gondii, because it sounds like such an interesting parasite, and Toxoplasmosis sounds so fascinating. (See e.g., the wolves of Yellowstone and toxoplasmosis, google it, you’ll find the articles and it is interesting).

You enjoy finding the back half of mice outside your door on a regular basis. They always eat the head, never the back end, go figure.

You enjoy watching them slowly destroy a wooden post on your stairway railing by using it as a scratching post. It’s a long-term project for them, but you can see the steady progress, just another way to measure the passage of time.

Your wife and children left you out of the decision and you’re not quite enough of a cold-hearted bastard to get rid of them. The cats that is, not the family members, none of them have peed all over the house.

We have two cats. They are indoors and outdoors cats, and in theory they are using the great outdoors as a latrine, but that is not always the case, especially if it is too far below freezing outside. One cat peed on the living room couch on 4th of July a couple of years ago late in the night. Everyone else was asleep so I took the opportunity to take the giant couch outside for disposal. It was a large couch, and I am not large, but I picked up that cat pee contaminated couch and got it down the stairs and through the front door, barely, and outside without waking anyone up. Wife woke up in the morning like, wtf, where’d the couch go? The couch did not come back inside. Now I try to keep the cats in a travel carrier or outside on 4th of July to avoid a repeat.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like the cats, but they don't make it easy sometimes.
January 4, 2023 - 3:01pm

#190

Cousins Of The…

Joined:
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Stir It Up

Songs I skip: Corrina, Easy Answers, Looks Like Rain(though sometimes I do fast fwd to Jerry's solo), Easy To Love You.
I also apply a Slide Filter whenever necessary.

John Perry Barlow

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Another trusty companion off to great doggie park beyond.
So sorry for your loss Carlo.
Whenever I start missing my last dog, I put on David Bromebergs version of Mr Bojangles “after 20 years he still grieves”
Hang in there and be grateful for all the good times y’all had and all the memories you’ll always have!

Thank you! I have spoken…

Thank you! I have spoken with a couple of different people at customer service. ... no luck there. CD replacements are not available. I've decided to return it and am waiting for instructions on how to do so. ... disappointed though, b/c it's a show that I like and was looking for a good copy. Current options are (1) return it for a full refund, or (2) keep the damaged item at 25% off the price. Adding a third option might be an acceptable solution ... (3) keep the damaged item at a reduced price and receive digital downloads for the missing tracks. The reduced price could even be determined by the amount of damage. I have a damaged digipak and two damaged CDs (so far). As I said, I haven't listened to CD2 yet. Oh, well!

Patrick

Please send me a PM with the details. I can't promise a thing but I'll see what I can find out and get the Doc on the case.

God bless Ye, Marye

Y'all be cool.

Nice anniversary show

I happened upon a single disc on my collection of 11 15 72

A few tunes then a swell PITB that cuts partway through. ouch.

So listening to full show on archive. Nice.

And it's got a Cumberland.

Fall 72

Yummy

Someone here mentioned buying Taylor Swift tickets....

....so I heard this snippet of a song the other day on Instagram or something. I thought, "that's pretty catchy".
Turns out it was Swift's Anti-Hero song.
Pretty damn good and I love the video.
One can indeed be ones worst enemy.
I've never really listened to her before to be honest. Will be checking some more of her out.

I cite a Fall 72 show

with a Cumberland

and Vguy talks up Taylor Swift

oh Vguy, why.........

Carlo

Really sorry to learn about Sarge, Carlo.
May he enjoy the forever leashless runs through the lush meadow in the sky.

Be Well,
Sixtus

Good news...

Dave's Picks 44 safely arrived at my house in the Netherlands today, fortunately without attracting the attention of the customs on the way. 👍🏻

Carlo

Sorry for your loss! RIP Sarge.

Taylor Swift? Weyes Blood!

Go to the utoobs, search for Weyes Blood Andromeda; amazing songwriter/performer, with very catchy and moody tunes. Check it out!

Taylor Swift tickets broke Ticketmaster....

....good. Eff them anyways.

I fully understand, Vguy.........

You're intrigued by Taylor Swift and looking forward to "checking some more of her out."

Me too, bro. ALL of her.... as long as there's no music involved!

And yeah, to quote Dylan: "If I had wings, and I could fly, I know where I would go..." I'd go right straight to wherever my collie-huskie, Genaro, went, and hope to hang with my 20-year-old tuxedo cat, Zoe, too.

Man oh man, if only............

Genaro, HF?

Like Don Genaro (Genaro Flores) in Castaneda's works?
Maybe we can visit Ixtlan closer to our true state of being.
But a man of knowledge is a changed being and might not be able to go back home again.
I have a Zooey dog I can only visit in dreams as well. And my wife had a tuxedo cat. Fun coincidences.
Cheers
Dead on tap today: Dick's 25, May 10-11, 1978

Dr. Rhino help?

Hey, Folks, I never received Dave's 44, and I'm wondering if I've exhausted all options for relief! Apparently USPS forwarded it -- don't know where or why, though I've filed a missing mail report. But I suspect it was because the address on the shipping notice was incomplete (it was correct on the order). So I've emailed the customer service address on my order, and I've also emailed drrhino AT rhino.com. Have not heard from either. I know that people here have had good luck with Dr. Rhino. Am I using the right contact? Other suggestions for getting this show delivered? Thank you! Not fading away!

campaignshoutin, Carlo

campaign, scroll down a few entries, find Marye and send her a PM. She has near magical powers to facilitate attention to most of these matters, sort of our latter day fairy godmother to use an antiquated term. Carlo, my sympathies on your loss. Loved the animals around me from a very early age, took care of other peoples pets long term if asked. No longer are domesticated types in my life and miss that, though being close to wilderness, frequent direct experience with wildlife. There is a particularly close bond with dogs, since we have been breeding them for thousands of years to work with us. Freaking chipmunks munch all the pea sprout, have to chase deer and bear off the lawn, please don't eat the flowers. OK, love some more than others, there is nothing like a beloved unconditional companion like that

Thanks!

Thanks, DMCVT. I sent Marye a PM. Fingers crossed. Ears a-awaitin' for this show! (And Marye, if you're reading this, too, thanks for any advice!)

VGuy Identified As Taylor’s “New Guy”

VGuy - Like you, I knew none of Taylor Swift’s music, just knew she was pretty easy on the eyes, figured she is just another of the singers the ladies love. The wife and I were watching SNL and she was the musical guest, and she did this really long song, with some video accompaniment. My wife asked after what did I think (she loved it), and I told her truthfully, not too bad. I still have never heard another song by her, but I did hear she busted TicketBastard with demand, so props to her. That alone made me a “Swifty”!!

Congress

Is now looking at Ticketmaster for anti-trust monopoly issues.
Ms. Swift brought that home to them when their kids were were crying their eyes out when the site crashed.
Cheers

Thanks everyone

Thanks everyone for the kind words for Sarge, and I. Lots of dogs, and cats over the past year or so have left us deadheads. I believe Sarge, and all the other pets on this site are treated with sadness for the whole day like Garcia was mourned, but the next day would be a happy celebration for all the Jerrys', sarges' and all the other dogs and cats. They all would have wanted it that way, for us humans. Thanks again, guys.

Yes, 1stShow, Castaneda's Genaro...

That dog (1978-1990) was freakin' smart. Large vocabulary and a provocateur for good times. He was vocal and brave and funny. And he was born in my backyard weeks before the GD's first shows at Red Rocks in July '78. He was still tiny when we spent those post-heavy-trip days getting ourselves put back together. One of the keys to his "hero dog" status is that I was 20 when he was born and 32 when he passed prematurely -- the best years of our lives, other than right freakin' NOW.

I'd get another dog, but it's only been 32 years since he passed, so still way too soon.

Now that my beloved cat is gone, and Dad too, I'm taking the opportunity to not be a caretaker/giant Mommy/Daddy for a while. I think that'll last a few years. Then I might take on one more round of cat & dog, if I feel I can weather the loss -- or that they could, if I cacked off.

And yet I still think I hear small footsteps and damn if it ain't quiet and a bit lonely here these days. But with a little help from my friends -- a few guitars and uncountable CD collection -- I believe I'll make it. Glass half full!

Grateful for the devoted company of animals, but sometimes it just plain hurts.

Ticketbastard, etc

Didn’t Congress look into that years ago and do nothing?
The whole reseller thing is a scam.

Taylor needs to learn to play multiple nights in each city. The stage is already set up to be used a second and even third night. She needs to make sure that the Swifty’s get their fix.
Recall that Taylor and Mayer dated prior to Mayer being in D&C. Maybe after D&C they can get back together and make a band.

Condolences to all the pet owners. Seems that a lot have passed this year.
Dogs are great, I don’t really like cats. Chipmunks, squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs, etc suck. Always tearing up my garden.

Daves Pics 44 not working in any way ...

none of the tracking or "order status" functions do anything for me.. i have no idea whether this order exist in any way ..
hard to know what to say ... contacted the store they said they resubmitted my order... by making and entirely new order looks like... and they said i would get an email when it ships .. its been another week and no info .. and still nothing seems to work .. including logging in to this site.. had to create yet another password sequence.. I also ordered the subscription for next year... cant be sure any of it will work then either.. not really sure if i should bother trying anything else.. i dont really understand how this can happen .. computers as supposed to make all of this easier.. but doesnt seem to .. everything seems to get lost.. also seems like i cant even reply to anybody else comments.. only post new ones..

Ohmygawsh the TS beast! She is a banshee! Begone!

Don't you know, IceCream, that she and JM are "never ever ever ever ever ever ever getting back together!"?

Look that up in your Funk N Wagnalls nyuk nyuk

PS Cats are awesome. Give em a chance

"That cat's something I can't explain"

Shipping blues

I woke up dis mohnin'

WHERES MY FREAKIN DAVES?

I am glad I have never had an issue (knock hemp)

Why do these things happen???

"Problem? Call...

86753098675309
86753098675309
86753098675309"

We Just Saw Artemus (Orion)

Stargazing bare eyed after sunset.
Low orbit satellite winked out on us.
Catching setting sun.
Slingshot to the moon. Far out man
Cheers

10 30 72

First set
Lots of barking from the audience
At one point Bobby says "Eat it"
Lol

Proudfoot / Lucifer sam

"Lucifer sam, Siam cat. Always sitting bye your side, always by your side.......That cat's something I can't explain."

Be a hip cat

Be a ship's cat

Gotta hear that tune right now

I’ve got mine

#1892 has just been pushed through my door by the Royal Mail.

@Carlo13

So sorry to hear of Sarge's passing...we are allowed what seems like a short sliver of time (with all the time in the world) to have these glorious creatures be with us and leave their imprint on our soul....

Happy Anniversary...

To us and Mr. Jinks & Violet...this week marks the 13th Anniversary of them agreeing to look after us....

Still no Dave's 44

Anyone else in the US in the same boat?

New Dylan Bootleg

A new chapter in Dylan’s bootleg series coming in January:
Fragments – Time Out of Mind Sessions (1996-1997): The Bootleg Series Vol.17

Happy Anniversary to Dave's 5 & 11...

....Pauley Pavilion and Wichita. Pauley is still in my top 3 Dave's.
Already tired of Xmas music at work.

OK Dave

just release all the 1966 GD in the vault. just throw it all into a box and release it.

30 Days' inclusion of Mindbender has me jonesin' big time for that stuff.

MAWR MAWR MAWR!!!

11/17 78

Just read an interesting snippet about a short acoustic set in the afternoon of 11/17/78 (44 years ago folks!) at Loyola College before a full electric set at the Uptown Theater in Chicago. Sounds interesting. It featured just Bobby, Jerry, Phil and Mickey. A precursor of the acoustic sets two years later I guess.

Lebow

I am in the same boat. Still no DaP44 for me. Seems to be more of an issue with this release than in the past.

Vguy - I have posted multiple times that DaP5 is the best release of the entire run. Just outstanding stuff. DaP43 is right up there though.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. Xmas decorations should not be displayed or music played until the Friday after turkey day. Just my own personal opinion.

11/17 Pauley Pavilion

Also one of my favorite Dave's Picks.. this and 43, top shelf GD.

and now

Pete Rose: raw deal.

ban from baseball for life upheld. sqreuw that. One of the greatest players ever.

Dylan Bootleg #17

For those of you who like vinyl I notice that there is a 10LP version of the deluxe set which appears to be only available from bobdylandotcom
The Rolling Stones are cashing in again releasing a limited edition vinyl box of 16 mono albums.

DaP 3 Pt Deux

I think we might have a DaP 3 issue. Does anyone else remember that? Hundreds (thousands) of copies just disappeared off the face of the earth. An unsolved mystery to this day, postman really liked disc golf maybe. I eventually did get a copy, but it wasn't numbered, just says "Promo copy" which is fine, but weak should you ever be fool enough to sell your copy I suppose.

PT Barnum. acoustic set 1978

PT Barnum , that acoustic set from 1978 has been released, I believe it is on the extended Version of .
Reckoning. The Dead do a killer version of Tom Dooley on there. I believe this to be the case, hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Last 5

#1. Jimmy Reed the Vee Jay Years box set #2. Charlie Musslewhite, Takin My Time Arhoolie Records #3 Muddy Waters, Best of Muddy Waters Chess Records, #4Little Walter, Hate To See You Go, Chess Records, #5 Best of Little Walter, Chess Records

Nov 73

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I like the Road Trips from 11/21 even more than Dave's 5. And that Road Trips came with choice filler from 11/20 and a bonus disc from 12/6. Yessiree Bob.

People diss the series, but it had some killers. (Although they were terribly packaged.)

Reckoning

The list below is taken from Wikipedia, apologies for the poor formatting. This is the bonus material on the Rhino reissue. Two tracks from the 78 show

No. Title Writer(s) Recording date and venue Length
1. "To Lay Me Down" (Studio Rehearsal)
Garcia Hunter
09/14/80 Club Front 9:12
2. "Iko Iko" James "Sugar Boy" Crawford, Barbara Anne Hawkins, Rosa Lee Hawkins, Joan Johnson 10/07/80 Warfield Theatre 4:23
3. "Heaven Help the Fool" (instrumental version)
Weir Barlow
10/25/80 Radio City Music Hall 6:18
4. "El Paso" Marty Robbins 10/13/80 Warfield Theatre 4:41
5. "Sage & Spirit" Weir 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 3:14
6. "Little Sadie" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/31/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:45
7. "It Must Have Been the Roses" (Alternate Live Version) Hunter 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:01
8. "Dark Hollow" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:30
9. "Jack-A-Roe" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:08
10. "Cassidy" (Alternate Live Version)
Weir Barlow
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:06
11. "China Doll" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 5:52
12. "Monkey and the Engineer" (Alternate Live Version) Fuller 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 2:37
13. "Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie" (Alternate Live Version) Cotten 10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 7:13
14. "Ripple" (Alternate Live Version)
Garcia Hunter
10/23/80 Radio City Music Hall 4:37
15. "Tom Dooley" Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:33
16. "Deep Elem Blues" (Alternate Live Version) Trad. arr. Grateful Dead 11/17/78 Rambler Room 3:42

Tickets to see Taylor Swift sold so swiftly....

....that the general public never had a chance to buy them. Remaining sales are cancelled.
Ticketmaster had already sold more than 2 million of them in their stupid "pre-sale" scam and even they were snubbed. Resellers are already asking 20K or more. What a racket. One of the worst companies on the planet.

Dave's Picks 11/17/73 * Road Trips '73 * Pete Rose

Jimbo, your comment on DaP 5 got me to thinking - this is one of my favorite releases that I rarely listen to. I don't know why.

Lebowski99 - Road Trips '73 gets me sometimes with the buzzing in places - my problem for listening on headphones, but it is strong with the Force. I like how PITB Part 2 is practically a Dark Star segment (even part 3 could be the Space section). Set list is fantastic, although I think it was one Beer Barrel Polka from sheer perfection.

Agree on Pete Rose. Ban him from the commentator's booth so he can't put people off with stories about "cock-high fast balls", but put him the Hall. The dude never bet against the Reds, which I think is a hinging factor on how I feel about his exclusion. I'm 20 minutes outside of Philly, so I grew up watching him, Lefty, and Schmitty lead them to World Series victory, so yeah, I've seen him play a lot more than most. I was also at a game in '81 or '82 on the first base line, leaning over the fence trying to get a foul ball rolling in our direction. Some big a*** hole ran up behind me as we were next to the steps. I was only 9 or 10 and precariously teetering over the fence trying to get this ball, and he knocked me right onto the field on my face. Really rung my bell and scraped up my face on the rough surface (Vet stadium had astroturf on the field, but the warning track and surrounding area was this abrasive non-slip rubber composite). My mom had taken me to the game and couldn't reach me. Pete was already running over and helped me back over the fence. Asked if I was alright, said he saw the whole thing and had the catcher (who I think was still Bob Boone) throw him a ball to give me. Quite a week after that. But the way I see it he's paid his penance, especially when players like Bonds are stealing records from Hank Aaron and getting away with it.

Keithfan

Classy move from ol' PR

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20K for a ticket to anyone....
No.
Fookin'.
Way.

Tie Ticketmaster down with heavy stones and throw it into the river. Robber Barons R' Us.

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